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tb3 writes: "Here is the ultimate superbike, powered by the diesel turbine engine found in helicopters, the Y2K weighs 460 lbs, and does the 1/4 mile in 9.8 seconds at 160 mph. The US military have expressed interest in using the bike in hostage rescue situations. The downside? They only build 5 a year, and one will set you back $150,000."
Forget the SUV with the big Chevy 454 gas engine, or 6.0L Cummings diesel, jet engines are where it's at. They'll burn lower grade fuel, which'll mean cheaper fuel costs, and best of all, hundreds of moving parts drops to a mere few. This increases reliability. But they don't make that nice sound, which is why Indy banned turbine engines from its races. Seeing a quiet car circle the track was boring (the car would have won if not for transmission problems). Of course, with the oil industry, spare parts industry, and repair industry against it, we won't see street legal turbine cars in out lifetime.
Now pay attention, 007.
This lever here pops out wings and diverts engine power from the rear wheel to a ducted fan. Takeoff speed is 55 knots, acheivable in 30 feet from a standstill. Top airspeed is 200 knots. The wingspan is 17.5 feet, so don't do this in confined spaces.
This button here - CAREFUL with that, 007 - is a rocket launcher. They're unguided, and don't arm until they're 50 feet away.
This aerodynamic cover is removable if you need to take a passenger, and a grab bar pops up.
This helmet-mounted sight controls an machine gun that pops out of the front fairing with this button. Yes, very good, 007 - now use this button over here to retract it. The trigger is on the handlebars here.
The ignition is wired to these security sensors that only allow you to operate the bike. There is no ignition key. It uses face-recognition software and a retina scan to validate your identity. If anyone else attempts to start the bike, poison needles pop out of the seat, and they die within seconds. Don't wear sunglasses when you start the bike.
Any questions, 007?
Just for reference, doing the 1/4 mile in 9.8 seconds is faster than a specially modified 777 horsepower Viper (which took 11.4 seconds). And, to give you an idea about how much horsepower that Viper has, consider that a Honda Accord has 150 horsepower.
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Yeah, but if you made a tiny turbine for a bike that could only go 100 mph and needed more gears, you'd have a monster high-efficiency vehicle. Turbines can be optimised to run at the single most efficient speed possible :)
You don't want a yahoo driver hitting YOU? You should come around here during the summertime then. All the lunatics on their crotch rockets come out of the wood work. Nothing like happily driving along at 60mph (the speed limit here) just minding your own business when 2 or 3 fuckers on crotch rockets just zoom past you in the passing lane easily doing 120mph. What the HELL are these people thinking? You don't even see them coming since they come up upon you so fast and they're so small. There have been many accidents where these idiots end up crashing and the result is instantaneous death at such high speeds. We had a few last summer. Guy gets a new bike and acts like a fucking idiot and wipes out into a divider wall on the freeway.. instant cream corn. Darwin at its finest. Don't even get me started on the morons who buy a nice quiet motorcycle and feel the need to rip the innards out of their muffler to get that really "cool" noisy sound. You know, the one where if my car sounded like that the cops would impound it and write me a ticket for noise pollution. Bah.
Nice to know the damn thing actually works... and it figures Leno has one! My turbo was considerably more garden variety - I had an '82 Yamaha Turbo Seca. Not quite as fast but still made a great sound, and was about $147k cheaper. :-)
The revolution will NOT be televised.
even "production super cars" will be soundly beaten by bikes that cost a fraction of what they do.
Bikes like the new Suzi GSXR1000 are extremely fast, 150 odd HP, 170Kg. Sub 10s standing start 1/4 mile times are quite common for big bikes. And even smaller 600cc bikes will hit 13/12/11s times.
I have an Aprilia RS250, even it shames mid-range ferraris and porsches for acceleration to 60 and 100mph.
cars are just slow slow slow... even the really fast ones are slow compared to bikes - and you can only ever dream about owning those.
Bikes: Outrageously fast for very little money.
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I wish that picture would go away. Nothing to do with motorcycle accidents, but that man bit into a blasting cap during a drinking binge on a dare. This dead horse has been beaten since last summer.
Makes me wonder at what point in the drivetrain the 10hp of work is being consumed.
Makes me wonder how long the clutch lasts before it is consumed.
Funny story about that. My Dad and some friends were at an LA biker hangout called The Rock Store when Jay rolled up on his jet-bike. My Dad knows Jay through business so they all went up and checked the thing out. Jay said that it got lots of stares as he drove around the city that day, including one unforunate guy in a shiny new BMW who pulled right up behind him to get a look at the bike. Funny thing was, the exhaust from the jet was so hot that it started melting the front end of the guy's car off! Jay said he tried to motion to the guy but the guy just didn't understand it. Sucks for him :)
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He was born in sept of 47 so he is 53, and funny none of the Maine newspaper/tv station web sites have a thing about this, and King is at God status in Maine.
Wow. I thought my Ducati 888 SP was fast... wow.
Um... wow. Uh... damn. Wow.
Drool bucket please!
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Damn straight. *MOST* SUVs are built on a car chassis with a car engine. The bloody Lexus SUV is a *CAMRY* with a big shell!
There's nothing off-road competent about almost every SUV. Many of them are 2WD, which immediately eliminates them as off-road vehicles; and of the 4WD ones, most of them are run off tiny car engines, and have inadequate suspension and clearance.
Only silly damn buggers buy SUVs.
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Let's make a deal, LoRyder!
We'll string you up by your ankles, with your head three feet above concrete, then cut the line.
If you survive that without being knocked unconscious, I'll quit wearing my helmet.
Of course, this isn't a realistic test. For reality, you'd need to be dropped from about five feet, with a moving start of about 25mph (the average crash speed).
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is this a A-team bike or something? hostage situations and folding bumpers - right ...
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you just burn the bad guys down without hurtin' them
Another drawback (besides the noise) is the enormous heat that billows from the outward-facing slash-cut pipes. "I was sitting at a traffic light," Leno says in slightly hushed tones. "I looked in my rear-view mirror and saw this Infinity car bumper kind of fold in on itself. I thought, 'Oh jeez, let's just pull away from here..."'
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I forget what 8 was for.
Quite correct. Street-legal 250cc two-stroke "GP Replicas", that put out about 70 horsepower and way about 280 pounds, are as fast or faster round a racetrack than 750 cc four-stroke sports bikes, which put out around 170 horsepower but weigh about 400 pounds. The greater corner speed made possible by the lighter-weight bike makes all the difference.
I'd also point out that somebody's already done better than helicopter turbine power.I remember hearing a story about a nutcase who fitted a 1500 horsepower engine from a WWII-vintage Mosquito fighter-bomber into a road-registered motorcycle. I think I'd be wearing nappies if I ever tried to ride a bike like that :)
Go you big red fire engine!
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Chrome on aircooled parts is very bad. It actually holds heat in. Black is better. If you want aircooled with fins and such, get a VW flat four powered Trike.
Take a look at "true" daily driver VW Beetles in locales where it gets hot and you won't see much chrome on the engine. Some of the part time cruisers will have chrome, but only because they don't have to get home at 5PM during a Southeast US heatwave.
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That gives me a chubby.
Silent?
I'm no expert on tanks or helicopters, but I think they are in the category "really loud things".
The gas turbines in jet aircraft are 120+ dB, I doubt the ones in tanks or helicopters are whisper-quite.
but not generally by the good guys. bad guys find it quite easy to knock off someone stuck in traffic from a sport bike, which can of course run between traffic and over sidewalks, etc.
Huh? Motorcycles are for *fun*. Sure, some kids drive them as their only vehicles, like I did when I was at university. But saying a car is a whole lot safer than a motorcycle is like saying an ocean liner is a whole lot safer than a scuba tank. Doesn't help you if what you're interested in is a close-up view of the humuhumunukunukuapua'a (Hawaii's state fish).
My original reply was to a message that was comparing the performance a motorcycle to a car; I was pointing out that for the purposes of performance comparisons, you have to compare bikes to bikes. Use of the term "lame" was what is known as a rhetorical device (adjusted for /.!) Your prejudice against motorcycles has nothing to do with this discussion. Many sports are dangerous, especially if done irresponsibly, including skiing, climbing, diving, and biking (with or without an engine). If you want total safety, stay in bed and make sure you don't live near a fault line. Oh, and cut back on those fatty foods.
The Yamaha Yzf-ri will do 10.15 seconds.
There are faster bikes out there, especially if you go custom/turbocharged etc. So this rocket bike is fast, but not *that* fast. And if you've ever done more than about 140mph on a bike, you know that a top end of 250mph is kinda academic.
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Why the hell do we need to know if it runs Linux??? Its a motorcycle. We're not interested in uptimes, or how many pages it can serve, or dock it into our desktop and download our PIM. Can't we just enjoy the tech?
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The engine used for this motorcycle has probably been de-rated. This is not uncommon for turbine engines. I used to fly Cessna Caravan cargo planes which had de-rated verisons of the trusty old Pratt & Whitney PT-6 engine. The Caravan engine produced 600 SHP while the same engine used on other aircraft was rated to 1200 SHP or more.
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Jay Leno makes enough, and is a bike fanatic (owns several, goes on charity rides), so it very well may be the same bike. It was frustrating me that I couldn't find details.
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Dude, don't you watch Dark Angel? You jump the motorcycle through a window, and shoot the terrorists before you land, then you calmly radio in for the troop transport as you unlock the front gate.
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How're you supposed to rescue a hostage with that then? I mean, you've got a hysterical hostage either paralysed with fear or screaming their nuts off.... You've just blown away four Iraqi terrorists and their mates are coming steaming down the hallway...
Where the fsck do you put them? You can't throw them in the passenger seat and piss off over the horizon 'cos there isn't a passenger seat. Even if there was a passenger seat you have to explain to them that they have to hold on REAL DAMN TIGHT because in 9.8 seconds time you're going to be a quarter mile away?
So how does this work then?
Dave
I write a blog now, you should be afraid.
I've actually seen 1/4 mile times faster than this with a stock sport bike. The Yamaha ZX-12R will do mid 9 second runs with a good driver. Sure, it may sound impressive compared to cars, but why would anyone pay $150k for a bike that has about the same performance as a $10k street bike? Other than the novelty of having a turbine powered bike, I don't see the point...
... it runs diesel, right?
Not to mention "stump pulling torque" is low-end torque. I don't imagine this bike builds up it's 425 ft/lbs until the upper RPM range.
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Heh, I linked to a 9.6 sec. rotary earlier.
I'm quite sure a turbo charged, nitrous RX-7 could be pushed down the track in 8 seconds, but it wouldn't be very streetable.
The little snippet I found and linked to mentions that the car can be driven quite calmly. I've seen this same car mentioned another time. Then they were saying that the car was driven to its NHRA licensing trials. They just pulled the slicks out of the hatch swapped the tires around and made the run. Swapped the tires back and drove home. (At least I'm pretty sure it was this same car.)
Oh well, I like my convertible top too much. Don't race convertibles, you'll just get beaten by a coupe with the same mods. But at least I look good doing it.
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Check out some motorcycle accident statistics - once you factor out drunken untrained operators, the biggest cause of car / bike crashes is "car driver didn't see bike". So, the high beam isn't bad at all if you want to ride a motorcycle and avoid premature death.
What really gets me is the truck / sport utility drivers who put in extra special high & bright beams...
This is cool, but it's not as great as they make out.... doing a 9.8 quarter in a motorcycle isn't the smartest thing to do, and for a third of the price or less you can build a rotary to do 8s... I imagine top fuel dragsters would do it a fair bit faster, no?
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For much less money, I'm sure you could buy a 900cc superbike and throw a turbo or two on it and go crazy
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The total amount of CO/CO2 will depend upon how much fuel the engine needs...if the gearing on it requires more fuel at 30 MPH than a piston engine, it will emit more carbon.
Maybe the purpose of using it in "hostage rescue" is not to take the hostage away, but to get the armed rescuer into position.
If you need a turbine-powered SUV, shop for an M1 Abrams.
you would probably be wrong, as IIRC correctly (I used to be in bikes several years ago, and owned a nice Honda) there was a 1000cc honda that was very close to 200Mph.
Considering that this thing has double the horsepower of that bike, 50mph more seems fairly feasible...
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Quoting the quarter mile of other vehicles is like comparing apples to oranges.
If you knew how a turbine worked, you'd know that it doesn't accelerate like a 'normal' engine - with a turbine, the faster you are going, the faster you accelerate - so it accelerates slowly from the start..
Comparing the low-end acceleration of a turbine to an internal combustion engine just makes you look foolish.
Fastest motorcycle speed (from GuinnessWorldRecords.com)
OK, very nice, but is it street legal?
Didn't think so.
The point is that this bike is street legal.
Forgot to mention that if this above mentioned bike is fitted with a turbocharger or supercharger, it will reach 220 mph, only 30 less than the turbine bike.
A $10,000 Suzuki Hayabusa, with a 1300cc (1.3L) engine, will do the quarter mile in about 10 seconds, and it runs off of regular gasoline. Top speed: Electronically limited to 186 mph (300kph). Without the limiter, it goes to 195 mph. HP: 160. A cheap bike compared to the turbine bike...
...can you imagine a BEOWULF CLUSTER of these? That'd be some serious power!
I doubt the ones in tanks or helicopters are whisper-quite
At least compared to piston engined tanks like the M60. It's a steady, high pitched whine compared to some *really* loud chugga-chugga-roar.
From the front, you hear the clanking treads before you hear the turbine on an M1.
The exhaust is also clear, which is sorta an advantage over an M60, but the heat put out by the turbine makes these things look like the sun on a thermal scope.
Eric
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
Jay Leno hangs out at a local motorcycle joint I frequent (the Rock Store.) Last October I happened to be there, digital camera in hand, when Jay pulled up on his turbine bike. I snapped about 30 pictures of Jay and his bike, and wrote up what I heard him say about it. It's here:Leno Lands At the Rock Store
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Hey, this just needs to be combined with the story on Slashdot recently about tank treads on trucks and you'd have a motorcycle which could do around 150mph and still be easy on the road!
LK
helioare loud because of their props breaking the sound barrier at their tips.
Incidentally Chrystlar did this in the late fifties early sixties.
Quite as hell and faster than gossip. And fuel efficient as a metro.
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A good read and lots more pictures than the parent link.
cheers,
mike
heheh Rear mirrors are replaced by a ccd, can you say webcast, screw the jenny cam, I want a bike cam.
But how long at 250 MPH until you run out of cat5?
Not to mention "stump pulling torque" is low-end torque. I don't imagine this bike builds up it's 425 ft/lbs until the upper RPM range.
Excerpt from the linked page:
Power: 320 hp @ 52,000 rpm (286 hp @ rear wheel)
Torque: 425 ft lbs @ 2,000 rpm
Looks like they want to measure torque at the low RPM end.
The bike was initially speed tested on a then recently constructed but closed highway. They had the state police out, with radar guns. The radar guns they had topped out at 200 mph. The bike was moving faster than that.
So nobody remembered to bring a stopwatch? Nah, I guess that wouldn't look as cool on TV.
"`At idle, it's making 10 horsepower'"
Makes me wonder at what point in the drivetrain the 10hp of work is being consumed. Assuming the thing isn't burning rubber at idle.
Oh, ok. I think my old Corvair Corsa could have come pretty close to that.
Come to think of it, I've seen a cycle with a Corvair engine too.
Shrug.
Not just the clutch. No engine braking with a turbine either. Maybe it has a transmission brake?
just speculating here.. but maybe they hooked up the turbine to a CVT (continuous variable transmission) which would allow the turbine to keep turning at the same speed, changing the transmission rather than the RPM. It would make sense for a turbine..
//rdj
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The Marines even bought a bunch of KLR-650 duel sports and had them modified to run on diesel fuel. Horsepower was cut in half, but torque went from 40 lbs-ft at 5500 rpm to 46@3k. Interesting article in the 3/2001 ish of Rider magazine. I'd take a stock KLR over this funktastic diesel dirt bike, but they're both out of the question---my inseam is just under 30 in.
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I read a story online by a guy doing down-and-back runs at the Flats on a modified GSXR-750. The old guy running the radar told him, "When you do your turn-around, don't sit up too soon." It seems that out at the Flats, it's kind of easy to lose perspective on how fast you're going. So a lot of guys doing speed runs on their bikes finish their "out" run and what do they do? The same thing they after breaking eighty on some random boulevard--roll off the throttle and sit up. The problem is that if you sit up at 180 MPH, you get sucked off the bike and you find out two things: (1) how abrasion-resistant your pants are, and (2)how far your bike will roll with nobody on the back. Assuming your ass hasn't been sanded off, you're going to have to walk well over a mile to retrieve your bike. I'm guessing a lost-rider switch is a wise investment.
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"And my penis, which I am very self-conscious about, has been measured at 2.15 inches."
Sorry, I know this is flamebait, but damn I can't help but think there's a very large grain of truth behind the idea that a man's penis size is inversely proportional to the horsepower-to-mass ratio (or just raw horsepower, depending on the version of the formula you find funniest) of the vehicle he drives.
In a blatant attempt to violate this law, my dream car is an Austin (or Morris, et al -- whatever) MINI. These are the coolest cars in the world. Someday I will have one. Oh yes. Someday... :)
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It isn't that you are paying for rarity, but a company has to be able to recoup their R&D costs in a reasonable time. Even if the engine is a "stock" helicopter component, there has to be some considerable custom engineering on this. That costs money.
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A typical target "time to recover initial investment" is 5 years. So if they sell 25 over the next 5 years, that is $3.75 million, which has to cover materials, labor, development, and still hopefully turn a profit. That seems unlikely to me. Hopefully, they know more about their financial situation than I do
Still, it is way cool. Anyone know if this is a record for power/weight ratio? The specs say 320 HP/ 460 lb.
It seems to me that nobody really knonws that Triumph is back, with some very kickass bikes. I own a 2000 Speed Triple. No, I can't go 200mph. So what? Breaking 160mph on an un-faired bike is one hell of a lotta fun. The 2001 600 and the Daytona are tops in their respective classes. The major magazines just don't recognize this, I suspect because they're owned by the Big 3.
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There are people that have bikes that do close to 225-230 top end. My bike, with my fat butt on it, has been radared at 215. I spent a lot less than 250k! I have about 30k invested in mine.
I say:
Wow the officer must have let you off easy! Sure
30k fine but what about jail time?
As impressive as it sounds (and no doubt, it must sound impressive!), I have seen a stock Yamaha YZF-R1 eat the 0.25 mile in 9.8 seconds.
Pretty awesome from a piston powered, 153bhp/385lb machine that must contend with gear change time, compared with this fire breathing monster.
'Course, an R1 won't go to 400+ km/h!!!!
Rekon some sick bastard will put an afterburner on one? ; )
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
Oh for the love of Linus, guys. Who gives a fuck that he did'nt spell a word correctly.
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.45 rounds into their face.
His points are 100% valid. I looked at that bike, and thought, single seat, very fucking loud, who on Earth is going to use this for hostage rescue?!?! and where the fuck did they read that crap? Yes, folks, you read this bullshit here at
Almost anything is better than this for hostage rescue, like ahh... body amour and some Heckler & Koch silenced automatic weapons. Why try to escape from bandits weilding (did I spell that right? I really could'nt give a shit) weapons, when you can just put three
I can walk down to my local Sydney bike shop, hand over 13 grand and get myself a bike that will break 10 seconds easily. YZF-R1, or some Ninja, GSXR or Hondaaaaaaaaaaaaa, and how about that bike that is Japanese for Peregrine Falcon?
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
Dude, you're getting a bit too serious on me here.
OK, now on a more serious note, rekon they could vector the exhaust downwards, (with afterburners) to get some lift happening? A'la Battle Star Galactica type take offs?
Seriously, you can never have enough after burners. I put one each on my 7200rpm Barracuda drives and what with all the extra torque and air speed, my transfer rates are up from 20MB/s to 2,480MB/S (yes, I also put an afterburner on my BX chipset to get these numbers past the ATA33 ceiling).
And with the flames coming out the back, I can still see the keyboard while I type in www.hotgrits.com with the light off!
Come to think of it, you might also melt the rear tire at speed.
With 286bhp at the back wheel, who needs afterburners to melt tires! ; )
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
I suppose you're paying for the parts and labor, not really for the rarity factor. I'm sure the company, whose regular business is installing used marine turbine engines, still makes a good enough profit on each. I heard on NPR that they have customers lined up for the next five years or so, and that will probably increase with the recent publicity.
Yes! That guy!
I heard on NPR this morning that the military was interested, but they didn't mention specifically that it was for hostage situations. However, the bike in its current incarnation is a one-seater, and not of Harley-Davidson comfort, more a curl up into a fetal position and pretend you're a bullet sort of ride. It wouldn't be easy to add additional seating space while still keeping the aerodynamic profile that allows it to hit such high speeds.
Yes! That guy!
I heard a piece about this bike on NPR's Weekend Edition this morning. The company mainly installs used marine turbines into boats, and was interested in tyring to build a bike like this. They got funding (about $300,000) from an existing customer to build a prototype. Now this Louisiana Y2K Superbike is the fastest production motorcycle in the world, and the waiting list is a few years, probably significantly longer with the newfound publicity.
On NPR, they mentioned that Jay Leno has one, and also had an interview with the inventor/owner/creator, who mentioned that in speed tests on an airport runway, he broke 200MPH before the Sheriff's radar guns hit their measuring limit, and that he's been pulled over by cops who encouraged him to speed so they could clock something going that fast.
All in all, sounds like an interesting feat of engineering. One can only imagine what somebody will invent to best this puppy...
Yes! That guy!
They got funding from an existing marine turbine customer to develop the prototype, about $300000-$400000 I think. I think the owner had lready thought up the idea and put a little work into plans, and just needed to build it.
Yes! That guy!
In the bike, the rider is integrated into the aerodynamic profile. He sits fetal position, like in many drag bikes, so he's not sitting up and sucking wind. The bike has been clocked over 200mph, the speed at which the radar guns chickened out, and the speedometer read about 240.
Yes! That guy!
If this is the same turbine-powered bike I've seen before, it only has one gear! There's so much torque that this is not a problem.
Incidentally, Jay Leno has one as well.
Ultimate superbike? Hardly.
As someone who rides a great deal, I can tell you that this bike is really good for one thing and one thing only: straight-line speed. Much more important to any motorcycle is its handling and corner speed. Modern two-stroke GP bikes raced by the likes of Valentino Rossi in the World GP series are not designed around the engine, they are designed around the chassis. Making the engine so much more powerful than the capabilities of the chassis, suspension, and tires would literally burn up a racer's tires, which obviously isn't too good for handling.
Simply put, the engine is made the fit the chassis to provide maximum handling and speed through the corners, where it counts. While cool, this bike is basically on the same level as turboed or NOS-ed bikes; I would hate to imagine what would happen if you were to give this beast too much throttle while at full lean...
From the "story" link we find the fuel capacity is 8.5 gallons. Assuming a best-case 7 mpg , the ultimate superbike has a cruising range of almost 60 miles! Solar Cars can do better than that! (Of *course* the Solar Cars can't do zero to sixty with nearly the aplomb, but the 60 mile limit struck me as lowish.)
and whats wrong with georgia?
Found a link to the story:/ 0301_tonight_show_tribute.xml
http://www.cycleworld.com/xp6/CycleWorld/features
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Not to mention the fact that you could only go 60 miles before having to refuel. Hmmm ... how low of an altitude can those refueling planes cruise at?
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Lets pull some nice quotes, shall we ...
"geared to go 266 mph"
"noises-scary jet noises-begin to emanate from deep within the bowels of the machine"
"`At idle, it's making 10 horsepower'"
"You have an engine that's meant to lift a 10,000-pound helicopter puching a 460-pound bike"
"4 to 7 mpg"
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Slashdot, in its attempt to define itself in the post-dotcom-crash era, needs a new icon for its recent direction change toward Popular Mechanics genre articles. An icon of a computer motherboard just won't do. I have some ideas, but do not want to offend Slashdot readers residing in the state of Georgia.
There was just a story about these bikes on NPR yesterday. But why have a media blitz for something that 99.9% of Americans can't afford? It's like having commercials for helicopters.
Turbines come in all sizes. Those in the 3000 HP range are several times the size of the bike.
As for silence, turbines are not silent. Try standing next to an idling M1 tank (I have) and see if you think they're silent. Keep in mind that this is a jet engine operating a turbine. Jet engines are not known for silence.
When I was a kid in the early sixties (yes, I'm that old), my dad took me down to the Chrysler dealer in St. Peterburg to see the experimental gas turbine auto. I believe that Chrysler loaned about fifty of them to customers for testing. The problem was not lack of noise, but exhaust temerature. It was hot enough to ignite clothing.
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Topics like this make me wonder if the intellect of the Slashdot editors and readers is really anything greater than grammer school children.
Please, if you're going to toss insults around, at least spell "grammar" correctly.
In case those pesky germans decide to kidnap american soldiers, or if the crazy gun freaks hide out on the salt lake flats.
Otherwise, I think the kidnappers in columbia would get a little suspicious if rescuers started building a really straight and flat road over the goat-trail towards the hideout.
Come on, the bike weighs 460 pounds.
With rider, that's a 600 pound explosive projectile. Moving at 250mph, how is this not useful in any military situation?
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Hot damm. you could run linux on it. (at least on the screen i guess)
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I think the point is that it's a cool hack. Making a motorcycle out of a jet engine is pretty cool, and takes some skill, as does getting linux to run on your VCR. Sure it may not perform as well as other bikes, but neither is linux going to run well on your toaster.
You use that word a lot.. I do not think it means what you think it means.
How is the military going to use this for hostage rescue? Are they going to start up some elite force like Megaforce?
Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I'll never know.
This is a bike for CowboyNeal.
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I like to watch.
It's FAST not QUICK (for a bike), as is to be expected of a turbine powered vehicle.
I think the street legal cycle horsepower record is held by a piston engine design, with turbocharging, putting roughly 475hp to the wheels. It could smoke this turbine in the quarter pretty handily -- if you have the brass to try it.
Also commenting on another post - 11.x seconds in the quarter doesn't sound like a 777hp Viper. There are '37 Coupes (real metal here, folks), that will run the quarter in 10 seconds, and they are powered by inline 6 cylinders with turbos. At least one that is documented can be driven too and from the track...
And if you really want to see the dotted line turn into a solid one real quick -- get yourself a Dutwieller Buick 3.8L Turbo. Much more comfortable than a crotch rocket and you could dust this whiner handily.
However, pulling your superbike up to the diesel pump is priceless.
TurboD
change for a million? i need to get two of these© but can i get one in iMac "Flower Power"?
Ummm, Jon, aren't you supposed to be dead...? - Otter(3800)
I think the point is that turbine engines are quieter than normal motorbikes, and so the military can get a lot closer before they are identified as hostile.
http://blog.grcm.net/
As a motorcycle enthusiast, I will tell you that according to the Motorcycle Safety Foundation, which is the most respected motorcycle instruction course in the USA, one of the best things you can do to improve your visibility to others is to ride with the high beam on in day time, and when no traffic is near at night. I'm sorry to inform you, but YES blinding you with a headlight is the way to keep you from hitting us, since by your own admission, you SEE us.
As for the helmet, you must be one of those misinformed people who actually believe helmets should be mandatory by law. Before I begin, I admit that I wear my helmet on a regular basis. However, let me tell you why many states are repealing their mandatory helmet laws recently. The official statistics from the biggest proponent of helmet laws is the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)contradict their own viewpoint. Their data shows that states WITH mandatory helmet laws have a HIGHER motorcycle fatality rate than states without such laws. In order to pass a Department of Transportation (DOT) certification test, helmets must be able to withstand an impact of 12 miles per hour. When is the last time you saw a fatal motorcycle wreck at 12mph? The DOT certification is a joke. For that matter, so is SNELL (higher standards than DOT, but just as useless). In a controlled environment, such as a motorcycle race where everyone is on similar machines and going the same direction, yes, helmets are a valuable asset. But take a 400 pound motorcycle and put it on an interstate highway where a sleepy trucker veers his 18 ton semi into the oncoming lane, and I will guarantee you, helmet or no helmet, the motorcycle will lose that dogfight.
Check your statistics before you go off on a diatribe on something you obviously know nothing about.
----- "A people that would sacrifice rights and freedom for a bit of safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."
No, I see a bright light (when I'm not blinking). A bright light that may or may not be coming straight towards me. I don't even see the road ahead of me, or any potential obstacles. Is that really all that much safer for either of us?
So you are then saying that even though you see the light, you will just go ahead and pull out in front of the source of the light (motorcycle or otherwise) anyway? Wonderful. That not only makes you uninformed, but just another run of the mill idiot. Furthermore, if you honestly expect anyone to believe that a single headlight in DAYLIGHT is blinding you to the extent that you can't see other potential obsticals, then we should all be scared that you are on the road at all. Making us all safer? Look, the vast motorcycle public doesn't CARE if the people surrounded by a steel cage are safer. You are more than safe enough. If that bright light in your eyes causes you to (hopefully) slow down a bit and pay closer attention to the road, then, YES it makes us all safer.
Interesting. Any links? More importantly, is there anything showing that this is cause/effect and not just circumstancial?
From the NHTSA's own document, try this. This is a PDF document that sumarizes the report. Go to the fifth page, fifth paragraph. By their own admission, 54% of riders wearing helmets died in 1998, and 57% in 1997. On the sixth page, it goes through the stats, state by state. I won't ask so much of you to do the math yourself, so I did it for you. This 54% is from only 22 states and D.C. where states have mandatory helmet laws. To try to impress upon you the significance of this, it means that 45% of the states account for 54% of the deaths. Even worse is that we don't have statistics for the fatality rate in states without helmet laws. The NHTSA assumes that those riders in states without mandatory helmet laws were helmetless, in an effort to better their position of "helmets save lives." But anyone that actually rides will tell you that many riders wear them anyway, even if it isn't mandatory, which would add to the number of fatalities of helmeted riders.
Forward velocity of motorcycle at time of impact != downward velocity of head towards ground after impact.
No, you are correct, forward velocity at time of impact does not equal downward velocity of head on ground. But what about head against side of object being struck? The impact of body to ground is usually the second blow the rider receives, not the first. And even at the second blow, while I have no statistical data to back me up, my own common sense tells me that the force of head to ground on the second blow will be greater than 12mph, given that forward velocity on a highway would be between 45 and 70mph (depending on road being traveled), combined with the velocity of object being struck (read big steel car/truck), also at the same speed, the combined momentum alone would exceed that standard.
But that neither means that the helmet will help you "win" in your earlier example nor that it's a hinderance in this example.
Exactly my point, good sir. My position is neither for nor against helmets. What your original post concentrated on was your belief that all riders should be forced to wear helmets. I am only pointing out the fact that it is a fallacy to assume that a helmet will save the life of a rider. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But it should be up to the individual rider to make that choice for him/herself. The last damn thing we need is a government agency playing the part of mother-knows-best. Wear it if you want to, your choice. Please understand, I am not criticizing you for your belief that riders should wear the brain buckets. I merely took offense at the unsaid implication that helmet use should be mandatory. And the furthering of the misconception that helmets save lives, a position that cannot be readily defended, even by the main government agency that wants to enforce this.
I'm assuming that now you're going to try to tell me about how you're safest riding your bike in shorts and a t-shirt?
Nothing could be further from the truth. Actually, it is a rare circumstance when I do not wear, at a minimum, a denim jacket or vest. Only on the hottest of days do I forsake my leather/denim. And never do I wear shorts on a bike. I agree with you on this point, wearing shorts on a bike is just stupid. But I still wouldn't outlaw the practice. However, you have to admit that Warning: potential sexist comment ahead! the biker babes look damn good in those tight shorts and halter tops. Look, you have your views, I have mine, and most likely we will have to agree to disagree.
Your friendly long-haired, Harley-riding computer geek...
----- "A people that would sacrifice rights and freedom for a bit of safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."
An interesting fact about the Boss Hoss bikes:
When the company first started, their original name was Boss Hogg. Harley-Davidson, Inc. threatened to sue the company for trademark infringement over the use of the word "hog" related to motorcycles. To avoid the potential legal battle, Boss Hoss caved. Harley-Davidson is one company that actively and aggressively protects their image, some critics say, to the extreme.
----- "A people that would sacrifice rights and freedom for a bit of safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."
According to the All Harley Drag Racing Association, the current record was set 03/2001 by Doug Vancil, with a time of 6.616 in the quarter-mile, and a speed of 210.18mph. That's in the "Top Fuel" class, and doing it on only 2 cylinders in a standard internal combustion engine. Of course, these bikes are definitely NOT street legal, but who cares? That's still one fast ride!
----- "A people that would sacrifice rights and freedom for a bit of safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."
So over half of all motorcyclists in helmets die each year? You better learn to read before posting this crap.
Trust me, reading is no problem. Perhaps I was mistaken in hoping there was enough intelligent life out there to know the statistics were speaking of the fatality rate of motorcyclists involved in accidents, not that everyone who wears a helmet and rides a bike will die.
What the document said was that, of all fatalities, 54% were helmeted. It also says that 67% of riders use helmets and that over 300 more lives would have been saved if all motorcyclists wore helmets.
And how do you think they arrived at the number "54%"? Take the total number of motorcycle fatalities from states with mandatory helmet laws, divide by the total number of motorcycle fatalities, and that is approximately then nuber you come to. As for the 67% saved if they had been wearing helmets, their own numbers do not support this claim.
More B.S. There is nothing in the report that is based on assumptions. They used "reported" helmet use for the fatality figures, not "assumed" helmet use.
Of course they are using assumptions. They are taking. Even in your earlier example, it is an assumption...er...excuse me, to use their words...an estimation, but not a definite factual number.
I've been riding 21 years. When I was 19, I crashed at 60mph, going over the handlebars and hitting head-first -- and my helmet saved my life. If I had hit the pavement with my bare head, I would be dead now. If you want to be an organ-doner, go for it, but don't distort statistics to try to make others believe that helmets don't save lives.
I am very pleased you survived the accident. But in all honesty, you can't state that the helmet saved your life. You can believe that it did, but unless you are willing to set up that whole scenario and take another trip over the bars, this time without the helmet, then we won't know. I'm NOT saying that the helmet didn't save your life. I'm just saying that there are so many factors and dynamics in every accident that it would be very hard to prove either way. I've went down too. It was not a terribly serious wreck, but there was plenty of embedded gravel in my body. The helmet did not save my life, but (yes, I was wearing it) it did reduce the damage. I also know several friends who have had serious accidents, some with helmets, some without. Some died, some survived. But of those I have known who were fatally injured, there is little difference on the survival rate with or without the lid. As for me distorting statistics, I emphatically deny this. I gave you the document, I showed you where their math was derived. I used their own numbers. And I must state again, I DO wear my helmet most of the time. While I don't necessarily believe that they save lives, I also don't believe they are the cause of harming, either. What I do feel they accomplish is keeping my face from getting any uglier, and keeping my long locks in place for as long as they want to hold on to the top of my head. I fully belive that, if you survive the accident, the helmet will keep your head and facial injuries less severe. And that alone is enough for me to wear the lid. I just don't think they are going to be the key ingredient in your rate of survival. While yes, the m/c fatality rate is slightly higher in states with helmet laws, let's face it it's about 50/50. If you can live through the initial impact, you have a chance.
What is needed is not mandatory helmet laws, but mandatory education programs. Both for riders and automobile operators. The public, by and large, are not aware of motorcycles. Bikes are not part of standard driving instruction. They are largely ignored by motorists. A certain mentality comes into play, whether conscious or unconscious, of "I'm bigger than him, he can't hurt me." and automobiles tend to drive with this attitude. I fully believe that if public awareness of motorcycles became a priority, both the motorcycle accident rate and motorcycle fatality rate could be reduced dramatically.
----- "A people that would sacrifice rights and freedom for a bit of safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."
----- "A people that would sacrifice rights and freedom for a bit of safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."
I just realised the implications of riding what is essentially a gas-turbine on wheels.
:)
Assuming the turbine is mounted lengthways on the bike. Surely if the engine spools-up quickly - say - clockwise, the counter-torque produced would force the bike to turn or lean to the left.....makes you wonder about gunnin' the throttle on a machine like this. I really wouldn't want to drop a $150,000 cycle!
Ripping an new rectum in the fabric of spacetime.
The spec sheet says it has a one-speed transmission. With a turbine? Do you have to burn rubber every time you start? Or is it like driving the old Porsches, where first was hard to reach and not synchromesh, on the grounds that you don't use it much.
Look now, if the actual impact is above 120km/h or so, you're dead in any case. Cars are much safer in reasonable (80km/h and less) speeds, but once you put the pedal to the metal, you're just deceiving yourself.
However, with a bike you can be seriously hurt even in minor accidents that mainly would hurt your wallet with a car. In any case, doing 200km/h with a sports bike is an enormous rush, perhaps enough to die for.
Whoa! And I thought I was the only one in Louisiana to read /. I saw this bike at Mels
diner on 90 about a year and a half (two years?)
ago... it was soooo incredible in person. We saw
it take off..yeeeow. The guys from the shop were
there doing an interview. They also had a
turbine powered truck(s) and some other cars.
Amazing. Amazing it took this long to get posted
to some news site on the net. :P
- Topics like this make me wonder if the intellect of the Slashdot editors and readers is really anything greater than grammer school children.
Misspellings like this make me wonder if the poster has an intellect greater than a grammar school child.People in glass houses don't throw stones.
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The Suzuki Habusa performs almost as well for about $12k.
. ht m
http://www.hyp4r.com/hayabusa/specs_performance
"But saying a car is a whole lot safer than a motorcycle is like saying an ocean liner is a whole lot safer than a scuba tank. Doesn't help you if what you're interested in is a close-up view of the humuhumunukunukuapua'a (Hawaii's state fish)."
:|
Exactly! If you want a close up view of the road, a bike beats a car everytime!
;-) Or should I say
Cheerio,
Link.
Doh. Why is there a skull for your brains then?
Smack your head on the pavement with a helmet, and do the same without. If you can't tell the difference then either you have a very thick skull or your brains aren't worth saving.
In your scenario of truck vs bike: In many cases the biker is likely to swerve (or even jump) out of the way and go flying. That is where the helmet can be very helpful. And if the biker wasn't going very fast relative to the truck, serious injury might even be avoided. When the odds are stacked against you, a helmet helps in most cases.
Bikes aren't that safe, but if you want to ride one, wear a helmet, and make it full face - you want to save your chin - people without chins look pretty ugly.
Full body bike suits are definitely recommended for bikers who want to break speed limits. Otherwise you'll be spread all over the ground when you fall off.
If you can't understand statistics and prefer anecdotes, just go ask any doc who works in ER whether helmets help make the job easier or not.
And there's this biker who fell and his head got rolled over by a truck tyre- his helmet saved him, his head popped out like a squeezed melon seed! He survived with no permanent injuries. Very grateful for his helmet.
Hopefully they make helmets even better - there's a talk of helmets with a "scalp" so as to reduce shearing forces that can cause serious brain injury.
Cheerio,
Link.
the current rolls royce allison 250 turboshaft engine starts at 420 hp and tops out at 715 hp for the top of the line model:
http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil/products/turbop ro ps/model250/detail.htm
how do they handle the high frequency noise a 420 hp gas turbine puts out just 18 inches from the rider?
what sort of motorcycle clutch would handle that level of power and torque?
how do they deal with the heat such a powerful turbine produces?
can those zr tires [150mph] deal with the rotational stresses at 266 mph?
"...can you imagine a BEOWULF CLUSTER of these? That'd be some serious power!"
why would a small 2 or 4 person chopper need a 3000 hp engine?
you have obviously never been near a -8 400 hz mobile generator that is powered by a small gas turbine or gone to an airport and listened to small jets taking off, they use gas turbines as well...
do you cross the street by closing your eyes and then step out into traffic listening for hazards?
"...can you imagine a BEOWULF CLUSTER of these? That'd be some serious power!"
here's an 8500 hp locomotive the largest ever built:
http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/history/loco/locohs0 5. shtml
"...can you imagine a BEOWULF CLUSTER of these? That'd be some serious power!"
Good to see tax money going for a good cause. $150K isn't too bad for a bike that can't corner for shit. And really would not be a choice in accomadations for a resuced hostage. The Suzuki's will just kill it in performance. Also, this is an old bike, it ran in Motorcycle mag a year or so ago. Jay Leno was one of the first to buy one.
AK
heheh Rear mirrors are replaced by a ccd, can you say webcast, screw the jenny cam, I want a bike cam.
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The quarter in 9.8 at 160 is the acceleration of a top-fuel dragster? Twice the time and half the speed is quite a bit off.
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
Umm... considering that even "production" super cars like the McLaren F1 don't even go that fast, I find it hard to believe that a bike, with the additional drag induced by the rider, would be able to top out at 250mph. But, I could be wrong....
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Last time I saw anything like it was Montgomery Alabama, 1963.
How loing 'till we see one of those engines in a Lotus Elise or a Caterham 7 (or similar) ?
Buy a Suzuki GSX-1300R (~150bhp on the back wheel from the factory). Fit a decent turbocharger with a dump-valve to smooth out the gearchanges. Engineer the head to raise it slightly (decreasing the compression ratio for the turbo) Tune the turbo to kick in at about 5000rpm Get the engine dyno-tuned, for completeness.
Seriously - there is a nice company in the UK which does this as a standard modification to the Hyabusa (GSX-1300R) and a prominant bike magazine tested one themselves and found 348bhp on the back wheel. And I can almost guarantee you that the bike was more rideable, because you'd only get the insane power when you MEAN business by twisting the throttle at above 5000rpm. The test rider says the front wheel would lift under acceleration when already doing 240kph...
More power for a fraction of the cost.
*AND* this isn't butt-ugly like that horrible silver piece of shit for $150,000.
Today's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. -- Hunter S. Thompson
...if I stuck a lit stick of dynamite up my butt and called myself the space shuttle. I'd probably get hurt less too, as opposed to flying off this monster at the estimated 250mph...
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Even as you read this, your pants are strangling your loins! Aaa!
6 months and $150,000 worth of medical bills.
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Great with this I may be able to get to the store before it closes to get more beer for once.I also may be able to get back before someone starts hitting on my GF.
And becuase it must be said "And what if we built a beowolf cluster of these?!?"
Papa Legba come and open the gate
But Does it Run Linux
im not entirely sure what a motorcycle has to do with running Linux...
Also, at the cost they mention, $150,000, it seems extraudinarily cheap for something with an engine that is used in helicopters...
Did the person forget to proof read there article or something?
stuff
They built expensive products and their website looks like it have been made in 5mins with ms-products...
-Proud owner of Aprilia rs 125
"With a rubber duck, one's never alone."
Come to think of it, you might also melt the rear tire at speed. I sense a Darwin Award in the making...
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Anybody remember that cheesy mid-eighties serie ? :-)
"A door is what a dog is perpetually the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
but you won't be able to finish a supercross race with this bike ;)) i'm looking for a bike that even jumps higher than my b>"ktm 620 supercomp". i don't think i can find it at slashdot. :)
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If they could just do some custom heads with some bitchin chromed-out cooling fins, that would be very appealing. No complaints on the fat tires and a lot of the other hardware looks tough, but water cooled --no way. Air cooled with chrome for days and that would be a stylin' ride. And let's not have the pipes so straight. Put a little braid in them babies.
Dissipating the heat off a V-8 with air-cooled heads might take up a lot of surface area though. Hmm. Still, I'd take that over a diesel turbine for pulling to the curb in style. I bet it would sound sweet with some bent up pipes too. Hmm, I should go source some air-cooled Chevy heads. Somebody must have gone down this road before.
This is a case of the cycle being more powerful
than the rider; at certain g forces, the rider
simply cannot hold onto and guide the bike
properly. It's kind of like F16's: the plane
can seriously outperform the pilot.
C//
But hell, if you say the M1 (1500hp by the way in case anyone's wondering) is loud, then maybe I'm wrong. I can think of a couple of other factors which could be involved there though, so I think I'm still buying what my old i.c. engines professor (Dr. Mellor, anyone?) told me on the day he talked about experimental turbines for steady state (highway/railway) transportative applications. If I'm not mistaken, the primary noise would be mechanical resonances and/or bearing noise - that kind of thing - much quieter than supersonic shockwave inducing, resonant explosions accompanied by rapid gas compression, expansion, and release phases (as in reciprocating i.c. engines).
In the 70's (i think it was), turbine powered tractor trailors were experimented with but deemed unsafe on account of a little problem of pedestrians stepping out into streets in front of them because the things were silent.
The Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa does the quarter mile at 9.9 seconds, and tops over 300 kph, right from the shop. If you add at turbo, you beat it up from 175 to 300 horsepower.
The difference is, the Hayabusa costs you about $11k. I wouldn't pay an additional $140k just to get an engine nobody on this planet could service.
/ proud Suzuki Hayabusa driver
$30k, 212mph? Sounds like turbo plus nitrous to an already badass bike to me. What are you driving?
The one reason I think the state has anything to do with this is, the state pays a large amount of our medical care. In the U.S., this would probably translate to higher premiums if you ride without a helmet.
You want to take a higher risk? Fine, you pay the price.
Myself, I always wear a helmet, spine cover, and full cover of cordura/kevlar. I've fallen off four times and regularly ride at 200-250 kph (I drive a Suzuki Hayabusa). I would NOT like to imagine what I would look like without the protection I wear; now, I haven't gotten as much as a bruise (though the kevlar jacket has a scratch in the cordura shell by the right shoulder).
If you ride a bike, you're gonna fall off sooner or later. It's that simple.
... why does it look like one of the flying motorcycles from "Galactica 1980"?
Anyone remember those flying bikes in Galactica 1980?
Anybody want a peanut?
The scary thing is that this bike really isn't that impressive. Other than the fact that it runs using a helicopter engine and that it's basically a jet below your nuts, the performance isn't that good.
Now, coming from my point of view, and experience, people do not realize how fast motorcycles really are. You can go down to the local Suzuki dealership, hand them 11,000 and get a bike that will do 190-195 out of the box. And by the way, it will do under 10 second 1/4 miles.
There are people that have bikes that do close to 225-230 top end. My bike, with my fat butt on it, has been radared at 215. I spent a lot less than 250k! I have about 30k invested in mine.
Now to the true topic at hand. What and the hell does this have to do with Slashdot? There are some serious idiots here that are making up crap stating that this bike could be used to pick up hostages. Hmm, let's see, it only has a room for one person on the bike, so is this a trade? Give you the motorcycle operator and replace them with the hostage? Also, has anyone figured out how long of a road you need to do 200+mph on a road for a minute? In that minute you cover around 3.5 miles. Anyone know of a road straight enough or pothole free enough to maintain that speed?
Topics like this make me wonder if the intellect of the Slashdot editors and readers is really anything greater than grammer school children.
Dave
I had the pleasure of seeing the world's fastest bike record broken a couple years ago with a drag bike topping 244 mph at houston raceway...
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So over half of all motorcyclists in helmets die each year? You better learn to read before posting this crap.
What the document said was that, of all fatalities, 54% were helmeted. It also says that 67% of riders use helmets and that over 300 more lives would have been saved if all motorcyclists wore helmets.
The NHTSA assumes that those riders in states without mandatory helmet laws were helmetless, in an effort to better their position of "helmets save lives."
More B.S. There is nothing in the report that is based on assumptions. They used "reported" helmet use for the fatality figures, not "assumed" helmet use.
I've been riding 21 years. When I was 19, I crashed at 60mph, going over the handlebars and hitting head-first -- and my helmet saved my life. If I had hit the pavement with my bare head, I would be dead now. If you want to be an organ-doner, go for it, but don't distort statistics to try to make others believe that helmets don't save lives.
Then read on...
What the document said was that, of all fatalities, 54% were helmeted. It also says that 67% of riders use helmets and that over 300 more lives would have been saved if all motorcyclists wore helmets.
And how do you think they arrived at the number "54%"?
They used police accident reports, coroners' reports, and hospital reports. That's why they used the term "reported helmet use rates".
But in all honesty, you can't state that the helmet saved your life. You can believe that it did, but unless you are willing to set up that whole scenario and take another trip over the bars, this time without the helmet, then we won't know.
I don't need to repeat the accident to know that the helmet saved my life. I have enough engineering know-how to look at the damage to that helmet and know that it prevented a fatal injury. It's like saying "you don't know that the parachute saved your life unless you make the same jump without one."
If you are still unconvinced about the benefits of helmets, consider the following:
1. In 1997, Texas and Arkansas repealed their mandatory helmet laws. Helmet use dropped from 97% to 66% and 52% respectively after the repeal. Fatalities went up by 31% in Texas and 21% in Arkansas.
2. Data from Louisiana, the first state to repeal and then readopt a full helmet law, showed a 30 percent reduction in fatalities (40 fewer deaths) during 1982, the first year after helmet law reenactment. The reduction occurred even though motorcycle registrations increased 6 percent during the year. The helmet use rate increased from roughly 50 percent to 96 percent.
3. Since 1989, six states (Oregon, Nebraska, Texas, Washington, California, and Maryland) have enacted helmet use laws that govern all motorcycle occupants. In Oregon, there was a 33 percent reduction in motorcycle fatalities the year after its helmet law was re-enacted; Nebraska experienced a 32 percent reduction in the first year of its law; Texas experienced a 23 percent reduction; Washington experienced a 15 percent reduction; California experienced a 37 percent reduction; and Maryland experienced a 20 percent reduction.
Note that I am not advocating helmet laws, but the statistics make it abundantly clear that helmet use significantly reduces motorcycle accident fatailities. Let's not encourage someone to make the wrong decision.
The Military has been for decades working on reducing the number of different fuels that it uses. The army has gone almost strictly to diesel for vehicles in this effort. It's getting realy complicated to keep gasoline available for running small generators and cooking fuel (a hot A rations meal in the field is cooked on gasoline heated stoves and very rare anymore). They have wanted a bike for a long time, having something available running on diesel would be a wind-fall, I Imagine that the fielded version would use much more off-the-shelf componants, to reduce the price/maintence costs and would be more of a street/dirt comfiguration.
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Helmets Should never be removed by non-medical personnel after an accidence unless it is necessary to remove it to preform CPR. The helmet maybe the only thing holding a fractured skull together; they can and do X-ray and Cat scan through helmets routinely when sysmptoms of neurological problem exists.
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Do these things come auto-equipped with cruise control?
Seeka
Well I think this stat backups the obvious argument that helmets save lives. only 54% of those that died had helmets rather than 67% if the wearing of helmets was no help in saving lives. Wether or not you think the goverment should enforce the wearing of helmets is of course a matter of wether the government should take away peoples liberty at certain times to save their lives. I offer no opinion on this!
And as for flames, who exacly is the "Homo" in your post?
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For about $30,000, you can get yourself a BossHoss, a custom bike built with either a 350 smallblock Chevy or a 502 bigblock. According to the spec page, horsepower ranges from 355-502, depending on the motor.
www.bosshoss.com
Years ago before my current career, I worked at a speed shop and met a guy who had one of these built. (Even saw the bike..) He claimed that he had taken it to Sacramento Raceway and ran a quarter-mile time somewhere in the 7 second range, and said that it was the scariest thing he had ever done in his life. I believe it.
Torg, come out of the spaceship. Nothing can stop Torg.
Whats the turning circle of one of these at its top speed :)
Does it come with rear mounted Ground to ground missiles as an optional extra too?
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All my pals have convinced me that the Triumph bikes are well worth the money over the life of the bike and have very good resale value. TRIUMPH ADVENTURER I think is one of the bast standard - sport like bike out there.
just my 2cents
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Fastest motorcycle speed (from GuinnessWorldRecords.com)
Who: Dave Campos
When: 14-Jul-1990
Where: Bonneville Salt Flats, United States
What: 322.15 mph
Dave Campos (USA), riding a 7-m. (23-ft.) long streamliner called Easyriders, powered by two 1,500 cc. engines, set an AMA and FIM absolute speed record of 518.45 km./h. (322.15 m.p.h.) at Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah, USA, on July 14, 1990.
Carpe Cerevisi - Seize the Beer
Is it just me, or does $150,000 sound really cheap for something that only five are produced each year?
A hog with a copter engine in it?
We'll call it a chopper.
Too busy staying alive... ~ R.A.
That said, anyone who has put 30K into a bike damn well better have some speed. I would think that it would have more to do with quicker 0-100 times than top end though.
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-- Steven N. Severinghaus
Steven N. Severinghaus
Yes, they did. I checked the replay at the NPR site because so many people had been questioning this I thought I might need my hearing tested. They didn't say anything about how they would use it, though.
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I can't really see how this would help in hostage rescue situations? It seems like it wouldn't really help much. You race in, grab the hostage and race out? Not really.. either way.. I didn't see anything about the military on the site.
The military has watched too many Chuck Norris MIA movies.
God spoke to me
They ought to make one of those ads showing a guy in a cowboy hat driving this thing through a muddy construction site pulling a bulldozer (with Bob Seger straining in the background).
Oh wait... I forgot about that "traction" thing. Never mind.
As Nike said:
"Zooooom!"
(to those who watch TV commercials: Boing!)
Don't worry, I'm to stupid [to|every]day
-=-=-=-=
I know life isn't fair, but why can't it ever be un-fair in MY favor!?
Check out the turbine-powered Toyota MR2 and the jet-goped :-)
No, I see a bright light (when I'm not blinking). A bright light that may or may not be coming straight towards me. I don't even see the road ahead of me, or any potential obstacles. Is that really all that much safer for either of us?
"Their data shows that states WITH mandatory helmet laws have a HIGHER motorcycle fatality rate than states without such laws."
Interesting. Any links? More importantly, is there anything showing that this is cause/effect and not just circumstancial?
"When is the last time you saw a fatal motorcycle wreck at 12mph?"
Forward velocity of motorcycle at time of impact != downward velocity of head towards ground after impact.
"But take a 400 pound motorcycle and put it on an interstate highway where a sleepy trucker veers his 18 ton semi into the oncoming lane, and I will guarantee you, helmet or no helmet, the motorcycle will lose that dogfight."
But that neither means that the helmet will help you "win" in your earlier example nor that it's a hinderance in this example.
"Check your statistics before you go off on a diatribe on something you obviously know nothing about."
I'm assuming that now you're going to try to tell me about how you're safest riding your bike in shorts and a t-shirt?
I'm saying I can't tell if it's right in front of me or a little to the left until it's practically right on top of me. I'm saying that I can't see any visual cues to tell me if I'm drifting into the left lane or not. That I can't see if the road goes off to the right while I keep going straight. How can you expect me to try harder not to hit you when I have no idea if I'm going to hit you in the first place?
"Furthermore, if you honestly expect anyone to believe that a single headlight in DAYLIGHT is blinding you to the extent that you can't see other potential obsticals, then we should all be scared that you are on the road at all."
First off, most of the instances that come to mind with being blinded by a motorcycle were around 2 in the morning. However, if a headlight is bright enough to make me blink through my sunglasses (which HAS happened), it's still a hazard because I can't keep my eyes open.
"On the sixth page, it goes through the stats, state by state. I won't ask so much of you to do the math yourself, so I did it for you. This 54% is from only 22 states and D.C. where states have mandatory helmet laws. To try to impress upon you the significance of this, it means that 45% of the states account for 54% of the deaths."
First off, that alone means nothing. Population is not distributed evenly among the 50 states. Compare the results of the last popular presidential election to the number of states won by each candidate.
While you're stuck on math, let's look at the "Percent of total traffic fatalities" column. The average (mean) percent of total fatalities for the 23 states with manditory helmet laws (supercript a) is 4.99%. The average (mean) percent for the three states with no helmet law (supercript c) is 7.4% with a range of 1.9% (Mississippi) to 9.3% (DC) (median: 5.6%), with a range of 6.2% (Iowa) to 8.9% (Colorado) (median: 7.55%). This seems to suggest that you are more likely to die in a state with no helmet laws than one with manditory helmet laws.
To say the least, this data does not prove your cause/effect statement.
"But anyone that actually rides will tell you that many riders wear them anyway, even if it isn't mandatory, which would add to the number of fatalities of helmeted riders."
I'm willing to wager that it's balanced out by riders who wear no helmets in states that require them. Florida has manditory helmet laws, but the ratio of helmeted v. helmetless in Daytona Beach's Bike Week always seems to be around 50:50.
"No, you are correct, forward velocity at time of impact does not equal downward velocity of head on ground. But what about head against side of object being struck? The impact of body to ground is usually the second blow the rider receives, not the first."
Assuming a forward linear velocity of 70 MPH, and you are moving towards a wholly elastic surface, a helmet designed for impact at 12 MPH will protect you as long as you are travelling at an angle of less than about 10 degrees from paralell to the surface (ie. you're going forward, the surface is angled 10 degrees towards you). This assumes that the surface you are moving towards is stationary with respect to your 70 MPH body (say, a concrete barrier). This would only tend to happen if the road turns but you don't, as this is about the maximum angle a vehicle tends to move at while lane-changing on the interstate.
As for your example of a semi changing lanes into you, unless the semi has magic brakes and/or is trying to jacknife or you're zipping along at 140 MPH, the speed difference between the two of you will be MUCH less than 70 MPH. Even if the speed difference is as high as 20 MPH, the helmet will protect you up to angles of 37 degrees. An angle that big would involve the trucker putting himself in danger as well as you.
"And even at the second blow, while I have no statistical data to back me up, my own common sense tells me that the force of head to ground on the second blow will be greater than 12mph,"
A mass falling from a height of 5' will be travelling at around 12.23 MPH as it strikes the floor. The rest is just friction as you skid along.
Of course, if your center of mass is that high off the ground, you should consider sitting on your bike instead of standing on it.
"given that forward velocity on a highway would be between 45 and 70mph (depending on road being traveled),"
Velocity forward and velocity down are perpendicular and wholly independent. Rifle bullet and ejected casing hit the ground at the same time with the same downward velocity.
"Exactly my point, good sir. My position is neither for nor against helmets. What your original post concentrated on was your belief that all riders should be forced to wear helmets."
Actually, my point is that motorcyclists seem to care more about looking cool than actually worrying about such things as road rash, but that all seems moot now...
"The last damn thing we need is a government agency playing the part of mother-knows-best."
You're riding on government owned/funded/maintained roads (which is why they're able to require you to have a license and obey traffic laws while on those roads), and you will probably be treated in a government funded/maintained hospital if you get into a wreck. If you are going to be using their facilities, then there is no reason to think that they should not have any say in the way that you use them.
Speaking of idiots on motorcycles, why the heck do they insist on having their headlights pointed high enough to blind just about anybody? Blinding me with your headlight isn't the way to keep me from hitting you. But I digress...
Didn't the guys from that lame movie megaforce ride these? Where are the little wing things that they can go fly with.
And then it occured to me that they must have hidden the rockets or risk a suit from the ACME company and the coyote.
I sure hope to hell Leno doesn't own one of these. I've riden with him up at the Rockstore in Latigo Canyon (Malibu, CA) on a couple of occasions and I can tell you that he's one hell of a squid. You put him on this bike and he'd high-side it in 10 seconds flat. :)
Plus, I don't think this bike would fit very well into his collection of rare and old, restored classics (Indians and the like.) I've never seen him on anything newer than color television.
[McP]KAAOS
It goes from God, to Jerry, to me.
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] ]]^key[CSSt0[i]];
] ]]^key[CSSt0[i]];
* css_unscramble.c : unscrambling function
* Copyright (C) 1999 Derek Fawcus
*
* This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
* it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
* the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
* (at your option) any later version.
*
* This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
* but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
* MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
* GNU General Public License for more details.
*
* You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
* along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
* Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111, USA.
*/
unsigned int CSSt0[11] = { 5,0,1,2,3,4,0,1,2,3,4 };
unsigned char CSSt1[256]= {
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0xb7,0xf7,0xbf,0xa2,0xe7,0xa7,0xef,0xf2,0xba,0x
};
unsigned char CSSt2[256]= {
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0x5b,0x5a,0x59,0x58,0x5f,0x5e,0x5d,0x5c,0x52,0x
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0x80,0x81,0x82,0x83,0x84,0x85,0x86,0x87,0x89,0x
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0xa4,0xa5,0xa6,0xa7,0xa0,0xa1,0xa2,0xa3,0xad,0x
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0xff,0xfe,0xfd,0xfc,0xfb,0xfa,0xf9,0xf8,0xf6,0x
0xed,0xec,0xef,0xee,0xe9,0xe8,0xeb,0xea,0xe4,0x
};
unsigned char CSSt3[512]= {
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};
unsigned char CSSt4[256]= {
0x00,0x80,0x40,0xc0,0x20,0xa0,0x60,0xe0,0x10,0x
0x08,0x88,0x48,0xc8,0x28,0xa8,0x68,0xe8,0x18,0x
0x04,0x84,0x44,0xc4,0x24,0xa4,0x64,0xe4,0x14,0x
0x0c,0x8c,0x4c,0xcc,0x2c,0xac,0x6c,0xec,0x1c,0x
0x02,0x82,0x42,0xc2,0x22,0xa2,0x62,0xe2,0x12,0x
0x0a,0x8a,0x4a,0xca,0x2a,0xaa,0x6a,0xea,0x1a,0x
0x06,0x86,0x46,0xc6,0x26,0xa6,0x66,0xe6,0x16,0x
0x0e,0x8e,0x4e,0xce,0x2e,0xae,0x6e,0xee,0x1e,0x
0x01,0x81,0x41,0xc1,0x21,0xa1,0x61,0xe1,0x11,0x
0x09,0x89,0x49,0xc9,0x29,0xa9,0x69,0xe9,0x19,0x
0x05,0x85,0x45,0xc5,0x25,0xa5,0x65,0xe5,0x15,0x
0x0d,0x8d,0x4d,0xcd,0x2d,0xad,0x6d,0xed,0x1d,0x
0x03,0x83,0x43,0xc3,0x23,0xa3,0x63,0xe3,0x13,0x
0x0b,0x8b,0x4b,0xcb,0x2b,0xab,0x6b,0xeb,0x1b,0x
0x07,0x87,0x47,0xc7,0x27,0xa7,0x67,0xe7,0x17,0x
0x0f,0x8f,0x4f,0xcf,0x2f,0xaf,0x6f,0xef,0x1f,0x
};
unsigned char CSSt5[256]= {
0xff,0x7f,0xbf,0x3f,0xdf,0x5f,0x9f,0x1f,0xef,0x
0xf7,0x77,0xb7,0x37,0xd7,0x57,0x97,0x17,0xe7,0x
0xfb,0x7b,0xbb,0x3b,0xdb,0x5b,0x9b,0x1b,0xeb,0x
0xf3,0x73,0xb3,0x33,0xd3,0x53,0x93,0x13,0xe3,0x
0xfd,0x7d,0xbd,0x3d,0xdd,0x5d,0x9d,0x1d,0xed,0x
0xf5,0x75,0xb5,0x35,0xd5,0x55,0x95,0x15,0xe5,0x
0xf9,0x79,0xb9,0x39,0xd9,0x59,0x99,0x19,0xe9,0x
0xf1,0x71,0xb1,0x31,0xd1,0x51,0x91,0x11,0xe1,0x
0xfe,0x7e,0xbe,0x3e,0xde,0x5e,0x9e,0x1e,0xee,0x
0xf6,0x76,0xb6,0x36,0xd6,0x56,0x96,0x16,0xe6,0x
0xfa,0x7a,0xba,0x3a,0xda,0x5a,0x9a,0x1a,0xea,0x
0xf2,0x72,0xb2,0x32,0xd2,0x52,0x92,0x12,0xe2,0x
0xfc,0x7c,0xbc,0x3c,0xdc,0x5c,0x9c,0x1c,0xec,0x
0xf4,0x74,0xb4,0x34,0xd4,0x54,0x94,0x14,0xe4,0x
0xf8,0x78,0xb8,0x38,0xd8,0x58,0x98,0x18,0xe8,0x
0xf0,0x70,0xb0,0x30,0xd0,0x50,0x90,0x10,0xe0,0x
};
void CSSdescramble(unsigned char *sec,unsigned char *key) {
unsigned int t1,t2,t3,t4,t5,t6;
unsigned char *end=sec+0x800;
t1=key[0]^sec[0x54]|0x100;
t2=key[1]^sec[0x55];
t3=(*((unsigned int *)(key+2)))^(*((unsigned int *)(sec+0x56)));
t4=t3
t3=t3*2+8-t4;
sec+=0x80;
t5=0;
while(sec!=end) {
t4=CSSt2[t2]^CSSt3[t1];
t2=t1>>1;
t1=((t1&1)>3)^t3)>>1)^t3)>>8)^t3)>>5)
t3=(t3>=8;
}
}
void CSStitlekey1(unsigned char *key,unsigned char *im) {
unsigned int t1,t2,t3,t4,t5,t6;
unsigned char k[5];
int i;
t1=im[0]|0x100;
t2=im[1];
t3=*((unsigned int *)(im+2));
t4=t3
t3=t3*2+8-t4;
t5=0;
for(i=0;i>1;
t1=((t1&1)>3)^t3)>>1)^t3)>>8)^t3)>>5)
t3=(t3>=8;
}
for(i=9;i>=0;i--)
key[CSSt0[i+1]]=k[CSSt0[i+1]]^CSSt1[key[CSSt0[i+1
}
void CSStitlekey2(unsigned char *key,unsigned char *im) {
unsigned int t1,t2,t3,t4,t5,t6;
unsigned char k[5];
int i;
t1=im[0]|0x100;
t2=im[1];
t3=*((unsigned int *)(im+2));
t4=t3
t3=t3*2+8-t4;
t5=0;
for(i=0;i>1;
t1=((t1&1)>3)^t3)>>1)^t3)>>8)^t3)>>5)
t3=(t3>=8;
}
for(i=9;i>=0;i--)
key[CSSt0[i+1]]=k[CSSt0[i+1]]^CSSt1[key[CSSt0[i+1
}
void CSSdecrypttitlekey(unsigned char *tkey,unsigned char *dkey) {
int i;
unsigned char im1[6];
unsigned char im2[6]={0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0,0x00};
for(i=0;i6;i++)
im1[i]=dkey[i];
CSStitlekey1(im1,im2);
CSStitlekey2(tkey,im1);
}
/* Please check with any laws that may exist making this program illegal. This program relates to this article, and has educational purpose. For this reason, there shouldnt be any legalities against this application. */