People at SCO love brainless idiots like your boss.
Tell me what your company is and the name of this idiot. I bet I can sell him a useless product for a lot of money. Maybe I'll sell him a "superduper operating system" for $600.00 per processsor and install freebsd. I might even sell him "Homongo web server" for ten thousand dollars. All I have to tell him is that it's the "most popular web server in the world!" and he will fork over the money in a jiffy.
Please tell me his name, he sounds like a sucker just waiting to get plucked.
"It is well known that the commodity markets do a better job of predicting future weather patterns than pointy head weathermen who have nothing at stake. "
I find this astonishing. Do you have a link to a rational person with some real data discussing this.
The idea that random people with money invested can predict whether without any access to atmospheric data better then people who have studies the atmosphere for practically their whole lives just does not make any sense.
I wonder if information markets could cure cancer better then doctors. I wonder if ivnestors could perform brain surgery better then doctors. I wonder it investors could come up better theories in physics and actual pysicists.
"They didn't appear until the first humans began living in sedentary, farm-based societies following the (accidental, most likely) discovery of domestication"
Interesting that the PRO MS posts on this thread are all modded up the wazoo even when they are factually incorrect.
1) ECMA requires RAND not "free and clear" 2) MS controls patents on ado.net and forms and many other parts of.NET 3) MS has publicly said that they will enforce their property rights when it comes to.NET. 4) MS sues businesses all the time. 5) Giving away.0001% of your income does not make you good and neither does it undo all the evil things you have done in the past. Especially if you got the money in an evil way in the first place.
Every line of code in Linux whether it be the kernel or other programs is copyrighted by somebody. This copyright is absolute and has been held up by the courts 100% of the time. The copyright gives the authors absolute control over what may or may not be done with that code.
The GPL is a EULA or more precisely a EUDA (end user distribution agreement). While copyrights are constitutionally protected other contracts such as EULAs are not. They may indeed be found illegal by the courts.
You seem to be saying that the EULAs won't be found illegal because it's a restriction of porperty rights but I don't agree. The courts have restricted property rights before.
If the GPL is invalid then it reverts back to copyrights. Presuming that copyrights are legal then SCO (and all other linux distributors) have to get permission from each and every person who holds a copyright on the linux distribution. Not just the kernel, the entire frikking thing. I don't imagine too many people will give SCO the right to distribute their code.
I think the FSF could pretty quickly release their code under some sort of a prorietary licence to redhat and other friendly entitites while denying other entitites any rights to the code whatsoever.
It might benefit the OSS community to start to gather copyrights under one entity though. It would be much simpler to rewrite the EULA that way.
Of course the courts could hold that all EULAs are invalid and I am not sure that would be all that bad.
Tell them that it's free. When they ask what the catch is tell them it has to be professionally installed but you know of a trick and can do it for only a hundred dollars.
The guy will think he got a great deal because he "knows somebody" and you get a hundred bucks!.
If the guy is confused by free stuff don't waste your time trying to explain it to him. As you witnessed the guys a dolt and won't get it anyway. Just take his money and get yourself a toy.
" they don't know enough and would rather be able to call up microsoft when something goes wrong"
Has anybody ever witnessed this phenomenon? I hope one day an intrepid explorer captures an actual home user calling microsoft for help and getting it. We could put it on the discovery channel right after the hunt for the giant squid.
"Then again, it will probably just end up being Usenet with pretty Outlook stationery."
Nah. They'll insist on their own incopatible usenet servers. The Idea is to take usenet away from OSS which uses it for tech support and idea exchange.
MS users will not be able to get to the usenet which means they will not be able to get support from OSS vendors and projects.
They will produce their own usenet like service running on windows servers that will not be compatible with any of the news readers on the market.
They want to steal usenet like they stole kerberos. Take other peoples ideas, break them so that they are not standards compliant, sell servers, lock more users to outlook and windows desktop.
The world is the R&D dept for MS. Any useful thing anybody comes up with will be assimilated into the MS environment.
1) Linux is an operating system. 2) Linux is game played by a worldwide group of people over the internet. 3) Linux the worlds largest meritocracy. 4) Linux is an experiment. It's an experiment to see if people from all over the world, of many races, religions, political affiliations can get together to one thing. To make the experiment more difficult the rules are that they must do it vountarily and without a profit motive. 5) Linux is a gift given to the world by geeks.
"But that does not change the fact that there are tools out there to remotely administer Windows machines, and that SMS is one such tool."
A tool that kind of works or works sometimes or is extremely hard to use is probably not too useful in plugging leaks.
Like most MS products SMS works OK for the first 70% of what you want to do. Try to push it beyond that and you might as well stick needles in your eyes. I suspect that most SMS shops take at least two weeks to roll out any update which is a pretty long time to be left vulnarable.
"SMS is nasty, but it works sorta. It's price doesn't matter much when you are F500, though."
Actually it matter very much. The problem is that the CIOs don't calculate TCO very well. They don't include the price of SMS for example when calculating the TCO.
Firewalls don't always help. Once the hacker is in via IE they can implant any kind of program and from then on the desktop is initiating the traffic. Most firewall rules will let the desktops go out on commonly used ports and the hackers take advantage of them.
BTW.
SMS is big, ugly and expensive. It requires a ton of effort. It pushes the TCO of windows through the roof. It is truly the largest hidden cost of deploying a windows network.
Very few large corporations have the time or the tools to patch hundreds of MS desktops. As a result in every corporation there are hundreds if not thousands of vulnarable windows desktops and cluless IE users merrily surfing the web and getting hacked by script kiddies.
By my rough calculations Bush has been responsible for the deaths of around 100,000 people. Of course I can't really back these numbers up because I don't live in a country in which the military is held accountable for it's actions. It would be wonderful if the US military actually told the people how many people they killed or if the press was free to investigate and report these numbers.
I figure that the US military is a very efficient and accurate killing machine. That it probably only errs 1% of the time and does "collateral damage". So I calculate that for every civilian it kills it kills a hundred other human beings who are classified as "enemy". Knowing that this is pure speculation I also then cut my number by a 4 or five just to be conservative.
So in afghanistan us killed over three thousand civilians, which means they probably killed three hundred thousand combatants. If you want to be conservative drivide that by four or five.
Add the iraqi numbers and you'll find out that Bush is responsible for the deaths of at least a hundred thousand human beings at most maybe a million.
What you are saying is that you are not as evil as other people might be if they were in your position.
If I commit a crime can use this argument in court.
You see judge sure I killed that little boy over there by slitting his throat. But you see judge if it had been somebody else they would have also raped him before they killed him. You must find me innocent because I am not as evil as somebody would be if they were in my position!.
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People at SCO love brainless idiots like your boss.
Tell me what your company is and the name of this idiot. I bet I can sell him a useless product for a lot of money. Maybe I'll sell him a "superduper operating system" for $600.00 per processsor and install freebsd. I might even sell him "Homongo web server" for ten thousand dollars. All I have to tell him is that it's the "most popular web server in the world!" and he will fork over the money in a jiffy.
Please tell me his name, he sounds like a sucker just waiting to get plucked.
"It is well known that the commodity markets do a better job of predicting future weather patterns than pointy head weathermen who have nothing at stake. "
I find this astonishing. Do you have a link to a rational person with some real data discussing this.
The idea that random people with money invested can predict whether without any access to atmospheric data better then people who have studies the atmosphere for practically their whole lives just does not make any sense.
I wonder if information markets could cure cancer better then doctors. I wonder if ivnestors could perform brain surgery better then doctors. I wonder it investors could come up better theories in physics and actual pysicists.
The possibilities are endless!.
"They didn't appear until the first humans began living in sedentary, farm-based societies following the (accidental, most likely) discovery of domestication"
They had chiefs and shamans didn't they?
Those were all scheduled sales.
It's not illegal to rip off the shareholders if you planned it ahead of time.
All they had to do was to make perfect office run as a NLM. That would have been huge for corporations.
Ray had the right idea of combining Unix and Netware. It seems like he had some sort of a vision but just couln't carry it out.
Bad management, bad decisions, bad outcome. Predictable really.
Interesting that the PRO MS posts on this thread are all modded up the wazoo even when they are factually incorrect.
.NET .NET. .0001% of your income does not make you good and neither does it undo all the evil things you have done in the past. Especially if you got the money in an evil way in the first place.
1) ECMA requires RAND not "free and clear"
2) MS controls patents on ado.net and forms and many other parts of
3) MS has publicly said that they will enforce their property rights when it comes to
4) MS sues businesses all the time.
5) Giving away
Using windows 2000 try this.
1)Open up a diertory with a few hundred files in it.
2) Select all of them
3) right click.
4) Go have lunch and comeback, windows will still be thinking about it when you get back.
Every line of code in Linux whether it be the kernel or other programs is copyrighted by somebody. This copyright is absolute and has been held up by the courts 100% of the time. The copyright gives the authors absolute control over what may or may not be done with that code.
The GPL is a EULA or more precisely a EUDA (end user distribution agreement). While copyrights are constitutionally protected other contracts such as EULAs are not. They may indeed be found illegal by the courts.
You seem to be saying that the EULAs won't be found illegal because it's a restriction of porperty rights but I don't agree. The courts have restricted property rights before.
If the GPL is invalid then it reverts back to copyrights. Presuming that copyrights are legal then SCO (and all other linux distributors) have to get permission from each and every person who holds a copyright on the linux distribution. Not just the kernel, the entire frikking thing. I don't imagine too many people will give SCO the right to distribute their code.
I think the FSF could pretty quickly release their code under some sort of a prorietary licence to redhat and other friendly entitites while denying other entitites any rights to the code whatsoever.
It might benefit the OSS community to start to gather copyrights under one entity though. It would be much simpler to rewrite the EULA that way.
Of course the courts could hold that all EULAs are invalid and I am not sure that would be all that bad.
Here is what you do.
Tell them that it's free. When they ask what the catch is tell them it has to be professionally installed but you know of a trick and can do it for only a hundred dollars.
The guy will think he got a great deal because he "knows somebody" and you get a hundred bucks!.
If the guy is confused by free stuff don't waste your time trying to explain it to him. As you witnessed the guys a dolt and won't get it anyway. Just take his money and get yourself a toy.
" they don't know enough and would rather be able to call up microsoft when something goes wrong"
Has anybody ever witnessed this phenomenon? I hope one day an intrepid explorer captures an actual home user calling microsoft for help and getting it. We could put it on the discovery channel right after the hunt for the giant squid.
"Then again, it will probably just end up being Usenet with pretty Outlook stationery."
Nah. They'll insist on their own incopatible usenet servers. The Idea is to take usenet away from OSS which uses it for tech support and idea exchange.
MS users will not be able to get to the usenet which means they will not be able to get support from OSS vendors and projects.
It's pretty clever actually.
If MS took the database and tried to use it in some proprietary way do you think people could sue them for copyright infringement?
isn't everything you write automatically copyrighted?
They don't want to control usenet.
They will produce their own usenet like service running on windows servers that will not be compatible with any of the news readers on the market.
They want to steal usenet like they stole kerberos. Take other peoples ideas, break them so that they are not standards compliant, sell servers, lock more users to outlook and windows desktop.
The world is the R&D dept for MS. Any useful thing anybody comes up with will be assimilated into the MS environment.
What is linux? Let me count the ways.
1) Linux is an operating system.
2) Linux is game played by a worldwide group of people over the internet.
3) Linux the worlds largest meritocracy.
4) Linux is an experiment. It's an experiment to see if people from all over the world, of many races, religions, political affiliations can get together to one thing. To make the experiment more difficult the rules are that they must do it vountarily and without a profit motive.
5) Linux is a gift given to the world by geeks.
"But that does not change the fact that there are tools out there to remotely administer Windows machines, and that SMS is one such tool."
A tool that kind of works or works sometimes or is extremely hard to use is probably not too useful in plugging leaks.
Like most MS products SMS works OK for the first 70% of what you want to do. Try to push it beyond that and you might as well stick needles in your eyes. I suspect that most SMS shops take at least two weeks to roll out any update which is a pretty long time to be left vulnarable.
"SMS is nasty, but it works sorta. It's price doesn't matter much when you are F500, though."
Actually it matter very much. The problem is that the CIOs don't calculate TCO very well. They don't include the price of SMS for example when calculating the TCO.
Firewalls don't always help. Once the hacker is in via IE they can implant any kind of program and from then on the desktop is initiating the traffic. Most firewall rules will let the desktops go out on commonly used ports and the hackers take advantage of them.
BTW.
SMS is big, ugly and expensive. It requires a ton of effort. It pushes the TCO of windows through the roof. It is truly the largest hidden cost of deploying a windows network.
Thanks. I was considering putting 50 people on a dual xeon 500 with two gigs of ram but now I know better.
You sound like a person who is fortunate enough to have never actually used SMS. Count your blessings.
"Each TS is 2-way Athlon 1600MP+2Gig+6diskRAID10 - 10 users supported quite happily."
10 user only? What was the max users on one machine or were you running into problems when you get above ten?
" The point is, a sysadmin can patch and update winders machines remotely and en masse."
Really? How?
Very few large corporations have the time or the tools to patch hundreds of MS desktops. As a result in every corporation there are hundreds if not thousands of vulnarable windows desktops and cluless IE users merrily surfing the web and getting hacked by script kiddies.
Time will tell.
By my rough calculations Bush has been responsible for the deaths of around 100,000 people. Of course I can't really back these numbers up because I don't live in a country in which the military is held accountable for it's actions. It would be wonderful if the US military actually told the people how many people they killed or if the press was free to investigate and report these numbers.
I figure that the US military is a very efficient and accurate killing machine. That it probably only errs 1% of the time and does "collateral damage". So I calculate that for every civilian it kills it kills a hundred other human beings who are classified as "enemy". Knowing that this is pure speculation I also then cut my number by a 4 or five just to be conservative.
So in afghanistan us killed over three thousand civilians, which means they probably killed three hundred thousand combatants. If you want to be conservative drivide that by four or five.
Add the iraqi numbers and you'll find out that Bush is responsible for the deaths of at least a hundred thousand human beings at most maybe a million.
There's your hero, the mass murderer.
That's an interesting argument.
What you are saying is that you are not as evil as other people might be if they were in your position.
If I commit a crime can use this argument in court.
You see judge sure I killed that little boy over there by slitting his throat. But you see judge if it had been somebody else they would have also raped him before they killed him. You must find me innocent because I am not as evil as somebody would be if they were in my position!.