Unlike many mailing lists BugTraq doesn't set itself as the originator of the email, so all the emails appears to come from individuals who I haven't whitelisted. It's too onerous to keep checking the pending list for this one mailing list, so I have moved it further up in my procmail handling and deliver all mail *addressed to* BugTraq straight into my security folder. Problem solved.
The TMDA filters can take advantage of simple wildcards in a rule. I use the following for mail from Bugtraq:
from bugtraq-return-*@securityfocus.com ok
1-888-GO-LINUX
on
SCO DOS'ed
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· Score: 2, Informative
Kinda ironic that this is the same company that uses the phone number 1-888-GO-LINUX. It's right there on their feedback page.
You should check out TMDA. TMDA offers challenge/response based whitelisting so that unknown senders can mail you after an initial confirmation. With a correct TMDA installation legitimate senders will only need to confirm once, after that they are added to the whitelist and future mail passes through automatically.
I was looking at it just the other day and noticed that the and closing tags were missing. I just found that interesting, and wonder if it was done deliberately.
... but the support and uptime have been excellent. Every support call I've ever made, even the ones that were due to being moderately clueless (I picked up the site on short notice for a non-profit), has been solved rapidly and completely. Every question gets a complete answer on the first try. No ticket gets closed until I agree that the problem is solved."
Yup, and when I call them the phone never rings more than twice before I am talking to a human.
I still don't get what Moto has that other languages don't. If it's performance you're talking about, then why not just write a Python compiler? Honestly, it's not *that* hard, especially compared to writing a new language. And more importantly, Python is the most flexible language ever created. You can eschew brackets and semicolons, or you can use them (yes, the new Python supports semis). You can program in traditional imperative style, or more powerful functional style; most useful functional features are already built into Python, and the Xoltar toolkit provides the rest. And Python Server Pages, well, rule.
Rather than spending time creating a PHP alternative, its a pity that some of the development effort hasn't been put into making PHP more of a stable and standard language.
Moto isnt necessarily in the same market as PHP. Moto was designed so that you can write an application and sell it as a DSO without ever having to worry about people stealing your code. In other words, Moto is a great alternative to PHP for companies that would like to be able to sell a compiled product, while at the same time not giving up the low development times.
PHP is RAPIDLY becoming bloat-ware, and its a shame - cos it's nice.
I couldnt agree more. Having all the functions in the global namespace really is annoying. Why not at least give Moto a try and evaluate it based on its own merits, instead of disregarding it because "its not PHP."
Check it out, and join the mailing list (moto-subscribe@webcodex.com) if you have any questions or suggestions that you would like to make. We would definately love to hear them.
If you are eager to write language extensions then why not contribute to a project where you can make a difference.
The Moto Programming Language is new language geared at web programming. The interesting thing about Moto is that you can run scripts in interpreted mode while developing, then when things are ready you can compile your entire site into an Apache DSO, so it can run at super quick speeds.
We have basic MySQL connection abilities, PostgreSQL support will be out in one of the next few releases, and the user base is growing fairly fast.
We would love to have more help with writing extensions, or even just testing new releases. A major overhaul of regular expressions will be available in the next release, with lots of small additions soon to follow.
It would be great to have some sort of DBI-like model for Moto, but if you are itching to write a crypto interface then feel free.
We have a low traffic mailing list (8-9 posts a week) that anyone can sign up for and post to. All new users are welcome to post suggestions!
Another thing I find interesting is to see the work that has been done in the KDE and Gnome camps in the last two years or so.
If I remember correctly Red Hat 7.0 came with KDE 1.2 (with optionaly KDE2 Beta) and a version of Gnome that looks pretty similar ones today. We are almost at 7.3 and already KDE has progressed through 2 more versions.
So, in the 7.X Span the KDE folks have gone from
RH KDE 7.0 1.2 7.1 2.1 7.2 2.2 7.3 3.0
Meanwhile, Gnome pretty much looks the same in all of the versions.
Slashdot Mirror
The TMDA filters can take advantage of simple wildcards in a rule. I use the following for mail from Bugtraq:
from bugtraq-return-*@securityfocus.com ok
Kinda ironic that this is the same company that uses the phone number 1-888-GO-LINUX. It's right there on their feedback page.
You should check out TMDA. TMDA offers challenge/response based whitelisting so that unknown senders can mail you after an initial confirmation. With a correct TMDA installation legitimate senders will only need to confirm once, after that they are added to the whitelist and future mail passes through automatically.
How do I do that?
For qmail:
http://www.cyberphoria.org/?display=projects_qmail _smtp_auth_send_patch
Or, for qmail users:
/var/qmail/control/smtproutes
echo ":smtp.server.of.your.isp" >
I was looking at it just the other day and noticed that the and closing tags were missing. I just found that interesting, and wonder if it was done deliberately.
If you are interested check out my website at http://www.standblue.net/.
There is an email address listed on the contact page, but expect an immediate challenge. ;)
It even got a mention on Slashdot.
I have 3 Rackspace t-shirts that they have sent me. They are my favorites, I'm proud to wear them around.
Sounds like a challenge to me. When can you have this site ready?
Yup, and when I call them the phone never rings more than twice before I am talking to a human.
"How happy/upset are you with your provider?"
Two words: Rackspace Rules
What is their reason for rejecting Maildir support? That's one of the reasons I stopped using Pine in favor of mutt. Just curious.
I found this site a few days ago:
http://www.blue-labs.org/financial-shames.php .
Lots of good information on Banks and which browsers they support.
What are you talking about? Postal have gone up more rapidly since AOL started sending these disks out than any other period in time?
Does anyone know of a similar method that can authenticate users out of a virtual user database?
Its a shame that Moto was talking too fast for the others to hear. The could learn a lot from the fellow.
I still don't get what Moto has that other languages don't. If it's performance you're talking about, then why not just write a Python compiler? Honestly, it's not *that* hard, especially compared to writing a new language. And more importantly, Python is the most flexible language ever created. You can eschew brackets and semicolons, or you can use them (yes, the new Python supports semis). You can program in traditional imperative style, or more powerful functional style; most useful functional features are already built into Python, and the Xoltar toolkit provides the rest. And Python Server Pages, well, rule.
Now who is doing the slashvertising
Rather than spending time creating a PHP alternative, its a pity that some of the development effort hasn't been put into making PHP more of a stable and standard language.
Moto isnt necessarily in the same market as PHP. Moto was designed so that you can write an application and sell it as a DSO without ever having to worry about people stealing your code. In other words, Moto is a great alternative to PHP for companies that would like to be able to sell a compiled product, while at the same time not giving up the low development times.
PHP is RAPIDLY becoming bloat-ware, and its a shame - cos it's nice.
I couldnt agree more. Having all the functions in the global namespace really is annoying. Why not at least give Moto a try and evaluate it based on its own merits, instead of disregarding it because "its not PHP."
Check it out, and join the mailing list (moto-subscribe@webcodex.com) if you have any questions or suggestions that you would like to make. We would definately love to hear them.
Lets see how Moto handles a slashdotting!
As an admin on the projectmoto.org server I can tell you that its doing just fine:
# uptime
12:15pm up 87 days, 7:08, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
The Moto Programming Language is new language geared at web programming. The interesting thing about Moto is that you can run scripts in interpreted mode while developing, then when things are ready you can compile your entire site into an Apache DSO, so it can run at super quick speeds.
We have basic MySQL connection abilities, PostgreSQL support will be out in one of the next few releases, and the user base is growing fairly fast.
We would love to have more help with writing extensions, or even just testing new releases. A major overhaul of regular expressions will be available in the next release, with lots of small additions soon to follow.
It would be great to have some sort of DBI-like model for Moto, but if you are itching to write a crypto interface then feel free.
We have a low traffic mailing list (8-9 posts a week) that anyone can sign up for and post to. All new users are welcome to post suggestions!
Try it out for yourself.
Be sure to check out plone. Built on top of Zope+CMF, its definately worth a look.
Another thing I find interesting is to see the work that has been done in the KDE and Gnome camps in the last two years or so.
If I remember correctly Red Hat 7.0 came with KDE 1.2 (with optionaly KDE2 Beta) and a version of Gnome that looks pretty similar ones today. We are almost at 7.3 and already KDE has progressed through 2 more versions.
So, in the 7.X Span the KDE folks have gone from
RH KDE
7.0 1.2
7.1 2.1
7.2 2.2
7.3 3.0
Meanwhile, Gnome pretty much looks the same in all of the versions.
just a note, you can safely skip 3
uhm.... isn't there stock symbol LNUX?