I still don't get it--I mean, it's nice that there's a magazine, but didn't I read some pretty grandiose claims that it's the only magazine that has ever addressed this market segment? Doesn't anybody read Circuit Cellar? Remember Micro Cornucopia?! CC has been around since I was a wee lad (anybody remember the multiprocessor 8051 system for drawing Mandelbrots? Let's make a Beowulf outta 'em!)
I hadn't even been thinking about anything except public access catalogs when I responded, so you are most definitely in the right here.
And I do agree that more libraries (and other government institutions) should be using OS software if for no other reasons than to a) save tax dollars and b) avoid being held hostage by any particular software companies.
By the same reasoning, most people have no need for the mathematics they learn in high school, therefore it should be removed from the curriculum? I don't think so.
Well, the majority of high school students do not take any "advanced" math classes ("advanced" for them, anyway) so I might actually say hey, take 'em out, and let Real Students (tm) take their math elsewhere and devote the extra resources to helping the students that really need it. Mostly I'm playing devil's advocate, but considering that most students end up leaving high school almost completely unable to think I could argue that you'd be better off teching people to think than teaching them calculus.
Most patrons are barely capable of using existing public-access terminals let alone a multi-tabbed browser.
Additionally, the majority of catalog lookups are single-item queries--I'm not convinced that throwing a better browser at them would significantly enhance their library experience.
"Well, if they have to save someone, I'd rather it be the hardcore gamer than you. Too many haters in this world. I'm sorry you got touched in a bad place or whatever happened to you. You can make it, keep trying."
Aw shucks, thanks.
Somebody wake up embedded in a transporter floor this morning?
I feel (fairly strongly) that if a person hasn't programmed before they should first be taught an interpreted "write it, run it, no hassles" language like Scheme, say.
Get the basics of structures and design down first in a language that's trivial to understand and highly interactive, whatever it is.
While I guess I'm an oldbie (*sigh*), I don't think too many people need to know assembly any more, how the MMU works, etc.
Can it help? Of course--as with anything, the more you know, the better off you are. But I'll take a well-trained Java programmer that doesn't even know assembly exists before I take a crappy coder that has memorized the x86 instruction set.
They need to know how to _code_ and the web/MS jockies I see coming out of school now, in large part, can't.
If you are able to clearly separate your code into "You can edit here" and "You cannot edit here" chunks, you can DEFINITELY seperate your code clearly into local chunks and delegated chunks
Sure--but I don't want to manually code my local chunks, either.
I have a completely swell OO system that abstracts functionality and data like it's supposed to but the subclasses are still similar and tedious.
...Not only was there an NES/PC (more?) version of this at _least_ five years ago there have been various networked versions of competitive cycles and rowing machines for even longer.
Not only are you a dork, you're a dork who misses a glaringly obvious joke to anyone who is even slightly clued-in, and then has to eat humble pie and admit after the fact that it is in fact funny.
You suck.
Wow. Ouch. I still didn't think it was funny; sue me. Anonymous little bitch.
Seemed a little short and rude to me, but what do I know. Still, I appreciate the answers and the person behind them. Maybe he just had to pee really badly or something.
My biggest bitch about Linux (which I use 90% of the time; I'm a developer and for that Linux is awesome, for the most part) is installation. I've been doing this (computer crap) for over 20 years and there are some apps I simply cannot get to run without crashing, and occasionally I can't even get them to compile due to library requirements, etc.
I simply don't have 8 hours to get an app running.
That assumes the app I "need" even exists on the Linux platform, and sometimes it really doesn't, or it takes hours to even get close to having it run, only to discover I have to back down a library revision or two. Not worth it.
I simply don't have 8 days to write each app I need.
I have all sorts of issues with video on Linux (right now playing an mpg crashes the machine, RH 7.3). I also do a fair amount of video editing, and Premiere runs. I haven't gotten anything else to work on my box as of yet.
Lastly, sometimes I need to talk to a human to resolve an issue rather than wading through 6 websites, 2 FAQs, 5 READMEs. I _do_ RTFM, and I'm really good at reading them, but sometimes it just doesn't help. Sometimes I need more support than I can _easily_ get for a Linux app.
All that said, I hope to be 100% linux (or I'll just give up and move to OSX) within a year or two, assuming I can get the apps I need. I'd hate to move to Macs, quite frankly, I don't like paying the hardware tax. Otherwise I'll just stay where I am now--doing video work on Windows, wishing I could get kguitar to compile (something with a Qt header file?), and complaining that I'm not even approaching having solfedge working.
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Uh... I guess it's not an entity, it's just rendering funny on my machine. I suck.
But it's still not it's!!! :D
...not it's, it's its. Holy crap. And it's even an entity... It took effort to be that wrong.
I still don't get it--I mean, it's nice that there's a magazine, but didn't I read some pretty grandiose claims that it's the only magazine that has ever addressed this market segment? Doesn't anybody read Circuit Cellar? Remember Micro Cornucopia?! CC has been around since I was a wee lad (anybody remember the multiprocessor 8051 system for drawing Mandelbrots? Let's make a Beowulf outta 'em!)
Ah, excellent points.
I hadn't even been thinking about anything except public access catalogs when I responded, so you are most definitely in the right here.
And I do agree that more libraries (and other government institutions) should be using OS software if for no other reasons than to a) save tax dollars and b) avoid being held hostage by any particular software companies.
Dave
By the same reasoning, most people have no need for the mathematics they learn in high school, therefore it should be removed from the curriculum? I don't think so.
Well, the majority of high school students do not take any "advanced" math classes ("advanced" for them, anyway) so I might actually say hey, take 'em out, and let Real Students (tm) take their math elsewhere and devote the extra resources to helping the students that really need it. Mostly I'm playing devil's advocate, but considering that most students end up leaving high school almost completely unable to think I could argue that you'd be better off teching people to think than teaching them calculus.
Most patrons are barely capable of using existing public-access terminals let alone a multi-tabbed browser.
Additionally, the majority of catalog lookups are single-item queries--I'm not convinced that throwing a better browser at them would significantly enhance their library experience.
Any time, any place.
Don't like ppl pickin' on the cousin.
"Well, if they have to save someone, I'd rather it be the hardcore gamer than you. Too many haters in this world. I'm sorry you got touched in a bad place or whatever happened to you. You can make it, keep trying."
Aw shucks, thanks.
Somebody wake up embedded in a transporter floor this morning?
"... sharp enough to make a hardcore gamer's heart stop - or help a surgeon start one."
Why would we bother restarting a hardcore gamer's heart?
Haven't tags in HTML had the scripting language defined fer like... a really long time?
Dave
I feel (fairly strongly) that if a person hasn't programmed before they should first be taught an interpreted "write it, run it, no hassles" language like Scheme, say.
Get the basics of structures and design down first in a language that's trivial to understand and highly interactive, whatever it is.
While I guess I'm an oldbie (*sigh*), I don't think too many people need to know assembly any more, how the MMU works, etc.
Can it help? Of course--as with anything, the more you know, the better off you are. But I'll take a well-trained Java programmer that doesn't even know assembly exists before I take a crappy coder that has memorized the x86 instruction set.
They need to know how to _code_ and the web/MS jockies I see coming out of school now, in large part, can't.
Dave
Not for free--good wages where they live.
Perhaps we've merely grown accustomed to an unsustainable level of prosperity?
Yep ya' are :)
If you are able to clearly separate your code into "You can edit here" and "You cannot edit here" chunks, you can DEFINITELY seperate your code clearly into local chunks and delegated chunks
Sure--but I don't want to manually code my local chunks, either.
I have a completely swell OO system that abstracts functionality and data like it's supposed to but the subclasses are still similar and tedious.
Dave
Ah, but think solar _thermal_, and the rewards are almost immediate--_especially_ if built in to a new house rather than being retrofitted.
Dave
...Not only was there an NES/PC (more?) version of this at _least_ five years ago there have been various networked versions of competitive cycles and rowing machines for even longer.
...a good one?
Not only are you a dork, you're a dork who misses a glaringly obvious joke to anyone who is even slightly clued-in, and then has to eat humble pie and admit after the fact that it is in fact funny.
You suck.
Wow. Ouch. I still didn't think it was funny; sue me. Anonymous little bitch.
Oh. I guess it's funny then. Just seems that when combined with the near non-answers it's probably the worst slashdot interview I've ever seen.
Just my opinion, that's all.
Rude? Where the hell did you get that idea?
From the hell (huh?) where he tells the dude to "get a life" for asking a halfway reasonable question.
No need for you to be rude too, ya' don't get any extra karma points or anything.
Why couldn't we come up with some halfway DECENT questions? ("Seriously... are we cool?")
Wil can ask whatever he wants, darnnit... I thought it was cute that he posted a question :)
Dammit, Jim, I'm a slashdotter, not a trekker.
Seemed a little short and rude to me, but what do I know. Still, I appreciate the answers and the person behind them. Maybe he just had to pee really badly or something.
My biggest bitch about Linux (which I use 90% of the time; I'm a developer and for that Linux is awesome, for the most part) is installation. I've been doing this (computer crap) for over 20 years and there are some apps I simply cannot get to run without crashing, and occasionally I can't even get them to compile due to library requirements, etc.
I simply don't have 8 hours to get an app running.
That assumes the app I "need" even exists on the Linux platform, and sometimes it really doesn't, or it takes hours to even get close to having it run, only to discover I have to back down a library revision or two. Not worth it.
I simply don't have 8 days to write each app I need.
I have all sorts of issues with video on Linux (right now playing an mpg crashes the machine, RH 7.3). I also do a fair amount of video editing, and Premiere runs. I haven't gotten anything else to work on my box as of yet.
Lastly, sometimes I need to talk to a human to resolve an issue rather than wading through 6 websites, 2 FAQs, 5 READMEs. I _do_ RTFM, and I'm really good at reading them, but sometimes it just doesn't help. Sometimes I need more support than I can _easily_ get for a Linux app.
All that said, I hope to be 100% linux (or I'll just give up and move to OSX) within a year or two, assuming I can get the apps I need. I'd hate to move to Macs, quite frankly, I don't like paying the hardware tax. Otherwise I'll just stay where I am now--doing video work on Windows, wishing I could get kguitar to compile (something with a Qt header file?), and complaining that I'm not even approaching having solfedge working.
Dave
Oh look, it's April Fools. Awright, you got me. That's what I get for coding late.
Sheesh.
Bahstahds.
Dave "Ain't I the tard" Newton
Buh-bye, Slashdot; I'll miss you.
Giving advertisers an easy way to gather email addresses from their stories really and truly sucks rocks. Way to go.
*buckle*
Dave
Maybe it's just me, but when/if I'm defrauded on eBay, it's not like I don't have the person's address. I just pay them a visit with a whuppin' stick.