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I like the links, but they don't lead to anything related to "not getting booted off" or "flat-rate unlimited internet access". Both of those terms are usually used in relation to dial-up access. And that would be just plain dumb.
I need an internet connection to use my phone, but I need to dial my phone to get an internet connection...
In short, $62.95 per month for unlimited local and long distance calling (as long as you don't go over your bandwidth allocation) and high-speed internet access.
It's only worth it if you want both long distance (international is CHEAP (look, proper use of links!) with this service ) and high-speed internet access. If you just want one, look elsewhere.
This 'noble savage' theory is as intellectualy bankrupt as social darwanism. Their are no 'good' guys, the vast majority of people throughout history are mean, nasty, and brutish no matter their location or race.
The main difference between the perceived 'noble savage' and us, is they were not bent on world domination. Humans (for most of human history) have not held the belief that they had the "one right way to live". That is a very recent shift (the past 10,000 years or so), and limited to society where food is kept under lock and key.
Here is a beautiful excerpt from a speech by Daniel Quinn:
It has been the work of my life to pin down and demolish the lie that is at the root of this mythology in our culture. It's to be found in the way we tell the human story itself in our culture. You can see it perpetuated in textbook after textbook, and if you keep your eyes open, you'll see it repeated weekly somewhere---in a newspaper or magazine article, in a television documentary. Here it is, the human story as it's told in our culture, day in and day out, stripped to its essentials. "Humans appeared in the living community about three million years ago. When they appeared, they were foragers, just like their primate ancestors. Over the millennia, these foragers added hunting to their repertoire and so became hunter-gatherers. Humans lived as hunter-gatherers until about ten thousand years ago, when they abandoned this life for the agricultural life, settling down into villages and beginning to build the civilization that encircles the world today." That's the story as our children learn it, and it has just this one little problem, that it didn't happen that way at all. Ten thousand years ago, it was not HUMANITY that traded in the foraging life for the agricultural life and began to build civilization, it was a single culture. One culture out of ten thousand cultures did this, and the other nine thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine went on exactly as before. Over the millennia that followed, this one culture, born in the middle east, overran neighboring cultures in all directions, finally arriving in the New World about five hundred years ago. At which point it began to overrun the native cultures of THIS part of the world as well. It is a truism that the conqueror gets to write the history books, and the history our children learn is history as WE tell it. And the central lie of this history is that HUMANITY ITSELF did what WE did.
There may not be a 'noble savage', but mean, nasty and brutish as "they" may be, "they" are nothing compared to "us".
1) I will not argue with you about the virtues of modding stories. I don't have an opinion either way.:o)
2) Sorry for not taking it as a joke. I was just trying to be helpful. No harm done.
3) It might be a fact about your opinion. It's an opinion that I (and many others) share with you. That's what the check boxes are there for. If you can't enjoy/. for the very fact that you are aware of Katz' existence...You have my sympathy.
Had Warez kiddies put out those early Star Craft demos, then when the game was released it might have bombed because people had played a crappy game with the same name a year earlier.
Horse shit. Look at Daikatana. That game had the buzz. Pre-release news that I saw about it was nothing but exciting. Then the reality hit. And people saw how it stank.
If a game is good, it will do well on its own merits. If it's not good, word will get out. If a preview of SC was crap, but the final game rocked, sales would be through the roof, despite the leaked copies. There would be enough people who (a)didn't see the crap preview or (b)bought the game anyways to spread the word about how great it was. Then of course, there would be the gaming sites. I don't put too much stock in their opinion, but some gamers do. If the final release of SC was hot, it would get great reviews. And has. And sales are through the roof.
Litigating against some of your greatest fans is poor form.
The film speeds by at 24 fps, but there is a shutter that covers the light (xenon bulb, neat stuff) twice per frame. At 24 frames per second you can see a noticable flicker. When you see a movie on the screen, it's actually at 48Hz.
Not that I'm contradicting what you had to say, just clarifying on a point that I have authority on.
Actually, I'm guessing you, like most, will try to use the waranty period to your advantage as much as possible. So if you plug in a peripheral, and it hoses your machine, you'll be expecting a replacement console. So Microsoft does have a period of responsibility, implied and explicit, for which they have every right to attempt to protect themselves.
And that warranty probably explicitly denies culpability for harm done by third party products. BFD. Besides, if they (Microsoft) are not expecting a certain amount of warranty repairs, and subsequently adding that into the price of the unit + games, I'll eat a live chicken.
You know who the first person Joe Consumer will go to when his cheap-ass $5 XBOX controller doesn't work is? Microsoft.
Do you really think that Microsoft hasn't factored support costs into the price of the console and games?
Microsoft has been proven to follow anti-competitive practices. Until they show a propensity to allow competition, there is no reason not to have "a little kneejerk with the anticompetition statement."
Hm... and if you don't need a license to operate a fork, why should you be required to have a license to operate a car?
What? I need a licence to operate an XBox? When did that happen?
And what's with all this rental stuff -- let me pay rent once and KEEP the dang apartment; after all I only have to pay once for a fork!;)
You want to rent a fork? I can rent one to you for a monthy fee of 10% of the retail cost, plus first and last month's rent, and a security deposit. If you stop paying, I'll take it back and take any money you owe and damages out of your deposits.
Neither of these arguments has any relevence to the XBox. Yes, some of the words are the same (licence, pay, etc.), but the context is completely different.
You rent an apartment, you buy an Xbox. If I want to trash the apartment, the landlord has the right to keep my security deposit. I don't own it. If I trash my XBox... No one has any recourse for my actions. It [is/should be] mine to do with as I please.
(Cowering in fear of the "Flamebait" mederators...)
Personally I think you should cower in fear of the "Overrated" moderators.
Here's the really funny thing. If you carry a knitting bag (with yarn and the like), security won't bat an eyelash at knitting needles. They don't even ask you to prove that you can knit.
But a pen knife (such as the one you describe) or finger nail clippers with a nail file (they are very specific about that, without the nail file, clipper are just fine) are big no-no's.
The hypocrisy is maddening.
For the paranoid, this is an article describing "the San Francisco bachelor pad owned by the bad boy of high tech, Larry Ellison, chairman of Oracle":
A visitor's experience begins at the front door, a half ton of stainless steel with an inch-thick pane of opaque electrochromatic glass. "When you turn the doorknob, a 125-volt charge makes the glass transparent so you can see the Japanese rock garden on the other side," Green says. The unusual glass alone costs about as much as a high-end Mercedes.
AD Andorra
AE United Arab Emirates
AF Afghanistan
AG Antigua and Barbuda
AI Anguilla
AL Albania
AM Armenia
AN Netherlands Antilles
AO Angola
AQ Antarctica
AR Argentina
AS American Samoa
AT Austria
AU Australia
AW Aruba
AZ Azerbaijan
BA Bosnia and Herzegovina
BB Barbados
BD Bangladesh
BE Belgium
BF Burkina Faso
BG Bulgaria
BH Bahrain
BI Burundi
BJ Benin
BM Bermuda
BN Brunei Darussalam
BO Bolivia
BR Brazil
BS Bahamas
BT Bhutan
BV Bouvet Island
BW Botswana
BY Belarus
BZ Belize
CA Canada
CC Cocos (Keeling) Islands
CF Central African Republic
CG Congo
CH Switzerland
CI Cote D'Ivoire (Ivory Coast)
CK Cook Islands
CL Chile
CM Cameroon
CN China
CO Colombia
CR Costa Rica
CS Czechoslovakia (former)
CU Cuba
CV Cape Verde
CX Christmas Island
CY Cyprus
CZ Czech Republic
DE Germany
DJ Djibouti
DK Denmark
DM Dominica
DO Dominican Republic
DZ Algeria
EC Ecuador
EE Estonia
EG Egypt
EH Western Sahara
ER Eritrea
ES Spain
ET Ethiopia
FI Finland
FJ Fiji
FK Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
FM Micronesia
FO Faroe Islands
FR France
FX France, Metropolitan
GA Gabon
GB Great Britain (UK)
GD Grenada
GE Georgia
GF French Guiana
GH Ghana
GI Gibraltar
GL Greenland
GM Gambia
GN Guinea
GP Guadeloupe
GQ Equatorial Guinea
GR Greece
GS S. Georgia and S. Sandwich Isls.
GT Guatemala
GU Guam
GW Guinea-Bissau
GY Guyana
HK Hong Kong
HM Heard and McDonald Islands
HN Honduras
HR Croatia (Hrvatska)
HT Haiti
HU Hungary
ID Indonesia
IE Ireland
IL Israel
IN India
IO British Indian Ocean Territory
IQ Iraq
IR Iran
IS Iceland
IT Italy
JM Jamaica
JO Jordan
JP Japan
KE Kenya
KG Kyrgyzstan
KH Cambodia
KI Kiribati
KM Comoros
KN Saint Kitts and Nevis
KP Korea (North)
KR Korea (South)
KW Kuwait
KY Cayman Islands
KZ Kazakhstan
LA Laos
LB Lebanon
LC Saint Lucia
LI Liechtenstein
LK Sri Lanka
LR Liberia
LS Lesotho
LT Lithuania
LU Luxembourg
LV Latvia
LY Libya
MA Morocco
MC Monaco
MD Moldova
MG Madagascar
MH Marshall Islands
MK Macedonia
ML Mali
MM Myanmar
MN Mongolia
MO Macau
MP Northern Mariana Islands
MQ Martinique
MR Mauritania
MS Montserrat
MT Malta
MU Mauritius
MV Maldives
MW Malawi
MX Mexico
MY Malaysia
MZ Mozambique
NA Namibia
NC New Caledonia
NE Niger
NF Norfolk Island
NG Nigeria
NI Nicaragua
NL Netherlands
NO Norway
NP Nepal
NR Nauru
NT Neutral Zone
NU Niue
NZ New Zealand (Aotearoa)
OM Oman
PA Panama
PE Peru
PF French Polynesia
PG Papua New Guinea
PH Philippines
PK Pakistan
PL Poland
PM St. Pierre and Miquelon
PN Pitcairn
PR Puerto Rico
PT Portugal
PW Palau
PY Paraguay
QA Qatar
RE Reunion
RO Romania
RU Russian Federation
RW Rwanda
SA Saudi Arabia
Sb Solomon Islands
SC Seychelles
SD Sudan
SE Sweden
SG Singapore
SH St. Helena
SI Slovenia
SJ Svalbard and Jan Mayen Islands
SK Slovak Republic
SL Sierra Leone
SM San Marino
SN Senegal
SO Somalia
SR Suriname
ST Sao Tome and Principe
SU USSR (former)
SV El Salvador
SY Syria
SZ Swaziland
TC Turks and Caicos Islands
TD Chad
TF French Southern Territories
TG Togo
TH Thailand
TJ Tajikistan
TK Tokelau
TM Turkmenistan
TN Tunisia
TO Tonga
TP East Timor
TR Turkey
TT Trinidad and Tobago
TV Tuvalu
TW Taiwan
TZ Tanzania
UA Ukraine
UG Uganda
UK United Kingdom
UM US Minor Outlying Islands
US United States
UY Uruguay
UZ Uzbekistan
VA Vatican City State (Holy See)
VC Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
VE Venezuela
VG Virgin Islands (British)
VI Virgin Islands (U.S.)
VN Viet Nam
VU Vanuatu
WF Wallis and Futuna Islands
WS Samoa
YE Yemen
YT Mayotte
YU Yugoslavia
ZA South Africa
ZM Zambia
ZR Zaire
ZW Zimbabwe
COM US Commercial
EDU US Educational
GOV US Government
INT International
MIL US Military
NET Network
ORG Non-Profit Organization
ARPA Old style Arpanet
NATO Nato field
How so? To live on the street I would have to change my personal legitimate beliefs (i.e. eating out of trash cans is nasty). For Ukraine to avoid sanctios they have to change their legitimate national laws (i.e. put identifying marks on CD presses).
In each case something has to be done (against one's preferences, for me it's working, for Ukraine it's passing useless laws) to continue living at an acceptable level of comfort.
"Forced is a bit of a strong word. Force implies that society has troops in the steet pointing guns at people, forcing them to work. Don't want to get a job so you can live in a personal shelter and eat food from a plate? Go live in the street and eat out of garbage cans. It's your choice.
...is SkyTran. Brought to you by Doug Malewicki, inventor of Robosaurus(tm) (the 4 story tall car-eating, fire-breating monster) and the "California Commuter" (a two person vehicle capable of getting over 150MPG on regular petrol).
Personally, I hope this stuff takes off. I'm getting tired of putting up with traffic.
I like the links, but they don't lead to anything related to "not getting booted off" or "flat-rate unlimited internet access". Both of those terms are usually used in relation to dial-up access. And that would be just plain dumb.
I need an internet connection to use my phone, but I need to dial my phone to get an internet connection...
In short, $62.95 per month for unlimited local and long distance calling (as long as you don't go over your bandwidth allocation) and high-speed internet access.
It's only worth it if you want both long distance (international is CHEAP (look, proper use of links!) with this service ) and high-speed internet access. If you just want one, look elsewhere.
What's so great about Halo? Perhaps you missed Warthog Jump.
Watch the Windows XP commercials again. None of the people that use XP get to fly.
The main difference between the perceived 'noble savage' and us, is they were not bent on world domination. Humans (for most of human history) have not held the belief that they had the "one right way to live". That is a very recent shift (the past 10,000 years or so), and limited to society where food is kept under lock and key.
Here is a beautiful excerpt from a speech by Daniel Quinn:
There may not be a 'noble savage', but mean, nasty and brutish as "they" may be, "they" are nothing compared to "us".
1) I will not argue with you about the virtues of modding stories. I don't have an opinion either way. :o)
/. for the very fact that you are aware of Katz' existence...You have my sympathy.
2) Sorry for not taking it as a joke. I was just trying to be helpful. No harm done.
3) It might be a fact about your opinion. It's an opinion that I (and many others) share with you. That's what the check boxes are there for. If you can't enjoy
Go here. Click the box that says JonKatz. Enjoy /. Katz-free.
Had Warez kiddies put out those early Star Craft demos, then when the game was released it might have bombed because people had played a crappy game with the same name a year earlier.
Horse shit. Look at Daikatana. That game had the buzz. Pre-release news that I saw about it was nothing but exciting. Then the reality hit. And people saw how it stank.
If a game is good, it will do well on its own merits. If it's not good, word will get out. If a preview of SC was crap, but the final game rocked, sales would be through the roof, despite the leaked copies. There would be enough people who (a)didn't see the crap preview or (b)bought the game anyways to spread the word about how great it was. Then of course, there would be the gaming sites. I don't put too much stock in their opinion, but some gamers do. If the final release of SC was hot, it would get great reviews. And has. And sales are through the roof.
Litigating against some of your greatest fans is poor form.
The film speeds by at 24 fps, but there is a shutter that covers the light (xenon bulb, neat stuff) twice per frame. At 24 frames per second you can see a noticable flicker. When you see a movie on the screen, it's actually at 48Hz.
Not that I'm contradicting what you had to say, just clarifying on a point that I have authority on.
Woohoo.
Actually, I'm guessing you, like most, will try to use the waranty period to your advantage as much as possible. So if you plug in a peripheral, and it hoses your machine, you'll be expecting a replacement console. So Microsoft does have a period of responsibility, implied and explicit, for which they have every right to attempt to protect themselves.
And that warranty probably explicitly denies culpability for harm done by third party products. BFD. Besides, if they (Microsoft) are not expecting a certain amount of warranty repairs, and subsequently adding that into the price of the unit + games, I'll eat a live chicken.
You know who the first person Joe Consumer will go to when his cheap-ass $5 XBOX controller doesn't work is? Microsoft.
Do you really think that Microsoft hasn't factored support costs into the price of the console and games?
Microsoft has been proven to follow anti-competitive practices. Until they show a propensity to allow competition, there is no reason not to have "a little kneejerk with the anticompetition statement."
Hm... and if you don't need a license to operate a fork, why should you be required to have a license to operate a car?
;)
What? I need a licence to operate an XBox? When did that happen?
And what's with all this rental stuff -- let me pay rent once and KEEP the dang apartment; after all I only have to pay once for a fork!
You want to rent a fork? I can rent one to you for a monthy fee of 10% of the retail cost, plus first and last month's rent, and a security deposit. If you stop paying, I'll take it back and take any money you owe and damages out of your deposits.
Neither of these arguments has any relevence to the XBox. Yes, some of the words are the same (licence, pay, etc.), but the context is completely different.
You rent an apartment, you buy an Xbox. If I want to trash the apartment, the landlord has the right to keep my security deposit. I don't own it. If I trash my XBox... No one has any recourse for my actions. It [is/should be] mine to do with as I please.
(Cowering in fear of the "Flamebait" mederators...)
Personally I think you should cower in fear of the "Overrated" moderators.
Sounds like a site dedicated to trimming a Cue Cat for meditational purposes.
Perhaps you meant kamikazecuecat.com?
;o)
Something like www.spellonline.com?
Here's the really funny thing. If you carry a knitting bag (with yarn and the like), security won't bat an eyelash at knitting needles. They don't even ask you to prove that you can knit.
But a pen knife (such as the one you describe) or finger nail clippers with a nail file (they are very specific about that, without the nail file, clipper are just fine) are big no-no's.
The hypocrisy is maddening.
Because it's Windows-based. If you are using Windows, you had to click agreement to "a license that makes you promise not to share with your friends."
The previous poster also stated you have a one in 80 million chance of winning the current Power Ball Jackpot.
You have less of a chance of winning one specific lottery than getting whacked by any one of several thousand satellites.
How's that for statistic skewing?
Just because something is more likely, doesn't mean it's guaranteed to happen more often.
How's that for justification?
For the paranoid, this is an article describing "the San Francisco bachelor pad owned by the bad boy of high tech, Larry Ellison, chairman of Oracle":
I can see two problems.
1) What heppens if your mule gets drunk as well?
2) If you get drunk enough, you might mistake you mule for an ugly girl. That might go over really poorly the next morning.
AM Armenia
FM Micronesia
Aw hell... Here's the whole list:
AD Andorra
AE United Arab Emirates
AF Afghanistan
AG Antigua and Barbuda
AI Anguilla
AL Albania
AM Armenia
AN Netherlands Antilles
AO Angola
AQ Antarctica
AR Argentina
AS American Samoa
AT Austria
AU Australia
AW Aruba
AZ Azerbaijan
BA Bosnia and Herzegovina
BB Barbados
BD Bangladesh
BE Belgium
BF Burkina Faso
BG Bulgaria
BH Bahrain
BI Burundi
BJ Benin
BM Bermuda
BN Brunei Darussalam
BO Bolivia
BR Brazil
BS Bahamas
BT Bhutan
BV Bouvet Island
BW Botswana
BY Belarus
BZ Belize
CA Canada
CC Cocos (Keeling) Islands
CF Central African Republic
CG Congo
CH Switzerland
CI Cote D'Ivoire (Ivory Coast)
CK Cook Islands
CL Chile
CM Cameroon
CN China
CO Colombia
CR Costa Rica
CS Czechoslovakia (former)
CU Cuba
CV Cape Verde
CX Christmas Island
CY Cyprus
CZ Czech Republic
DE Germany
DJ Djibouti
DK Denmark
DM Dominica
DO Dominican Republic
DZ Algeria
EC Ecuador
EE Estonia
EG Egypt
EH Western Sahara
ER Eritrea
ES Spain
ET Ethiopia
FI Finland
FJ Fiji
FK Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
FM Micronesia
FO Faroe Islands
FR France
FX France, Metropolitan
GA Gabon
GB Great Britain (UK)
GD Grenada
GE Georgia
GF French Guiana
GH Ghana
GI Gibraltar
GL Greenland
GM Gambia
GN Guinea
GP Guadeloupe
GQ Equatorial Guinea
GR Greece
GS S. Georgia and S. Sandwich Isls.
GT Guatemala
GU Guam
GW Guinea-Bissau
GY Guyana
HK Hong Kong
HM Heard and McDonald Islands
HN Honduras
HR Croatia (Hrvatska)
HT Haiti
HU Hungary
ID Indonesia
IE Ireland
IL Israel
IN India
IO British Indian Ocean Territory
IQ Iraq
IR Iran
IS Iceland
IT Italy
JM Jamaica
JO Jordan
JP Japan
KE Kenya
KG Kyrgyzstan
KH Cambodia
KI Kiribati
KM Comoros
KN Saint Kitts and Nevis
KP Korea (North)
KR Korea (South)
KW Kuwait
KY Cayman Islands
KZ Kazakhstan
LA Laos
LB Lebanon
LC Saint Lucia
LI Liechtenstein
LK Sri Lanka
LR Liberia
LS Lesotho
LT Lithuania
LU Luxembourg
LV Latvia
LY Libya
MA Morocco
MC Monaco
MD Moldova
MG Madagascar
MH Marshall Islands
MK Macedonia
ML Mali
MM Myanmar
MN Mongolia
MO Macau
MP Northern Mariana Islands
MQ Martinique
MR Mauritania
MS Montserrat
MT Malta
MU Mauritius
MV Maldives
MW Malawi
MX Mexico
MY Malaysia
MZ Mozambique
NA Namibia
NC New Caledonia
NE Niger
NF Norfolk Island
NG Nigeria
NI Nicaragua
NL Netherlands
NO Norway
NP Nepal
NR Nauru
NT Neutral Zone
NU Niue
NZ New Zealand (Aotearoa)
OM Oman
PA Panama
PE Peru
PF French Polynesia
PG Papua New Guinea
PH Philippines
PK Pakistan
PL Poland
PM St. Pierre and Miquelon
PN Pitcairn
PR Puerto Rico
PT Portugal
PW Palau
PY Paraguay
QA Qatar
RE Reunion
RO Romania
RU Russian Federation
RW Rwanda
SA Saudi Arabia
Sb Solomon Islands
SC Seychelles
SD Sudan
SE Sweden
SG Singapore
SH St. Helena
SI Slovenia
SJ Svalbard and Jan Mayen Islands
SK Slovak Republic
SL Sierra Leone
SM San Marino
SN Senegal
SO Somalia
SR Suriname
ST Sao Tome and Principe
SU USSR (former)
SV El Salvador
SY Syria
SZ Swaziland
TC Turks and Caicos Islands
TD Chad
TF French Southern Territories
TG Togo
TH Thailand
TJ Tajikistan
TK Tokelau
TM Turkmenistan
TN Tunisia
TO Tonga
TP East Timor
TR Turkey
TT Trinidad and Tobago
TV Tuvalu
TW Taiwan
TZ Tanzania
UA Ukraine
UG Uganda
UK United Kingdom
UM US Minor Outlying Islands
US United States
UY Uruguay
UZ Uzbekistan
VA Vatican City State (Holy See)
VC Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
VE Venezuela
VG Virgin Islands (British)
VI Virgin Islands (U.S.)
VN Viet Nam
VU Vanuatu
WF Wallis and Futuna Islands
WS Samoa
YE Yemen
YT Mayotte
YU Yugoslavia
ZA South Africa
ZM Zambia
ZR Zaire
ZW Zimbabwe
COM US Commercial
EDU US Educational
GOV US Government
INT International
MIL US Military
NET Network
ORG Non-Profit Organization
ARPA Old style Arpanet
NATO Nato field
How so? To live on the street I would have to change my personal legitimate beliefs (i.e. eating out of trash cans is nasty). For Ukraine to avoid sanctios they have to change their legitimate national laws (i.e. put identifying marks on CD presses).
In each case something has to be done (against one's preferences, for me it's working, for Ukraine it's passing useless laws) to continue living at an acceptable level of comfort.
Eh? Since when has the RIAA had enough clout to impose trade sanctions on another country?
U.S. Govt: "But they told me to do it"
U.S. Govt's Mother: "If they told you to jump off a cliff..."
What?!?!?!? Did you interview one of the (final) pilots? Have you personally spoken to the people that gave those terrorists their orders?
You say that the 9/11 bombers hated us for reasons the we have no way of altering. I say the terrorists hated us for reasons we may never know.
You can either belive the reasons you are told, or try to find reasons on your own. The second choice is much more effort, but far more fulfilling.
Better example:
"Forced is a bit of a strong word. Force implies that society has troops in the steet pointing guns at people, forcing them to work. Don't want to get a job so you can live in a personal shelter and eat food from a plate? Go live in the street and eat out of garbage cans. It's your choice.
...is SkyTran. Brought to you by Doug Malewicki, inventor of Robosaurus(tm) (the 4 story tall car-eating, fire-breating monster) and the "California Commuter" (a two person vehicle capable of getting over 150MPG on regular petrol).
Personally, I hope this stuff takes off. I'm getting tired of putting up with traffic.
Nah, that would mean the projector was running some version of Windows.
The film would show fine, but it would just be past deadline and over budget.