Mod parent up. The root of the problem here is our failed economy. All this copper theft and stuff is nothing more than symptoms of that. It's not just the crackheads or meth addicts. It's people like the two brothers who dismantled an entire bridge and hauled it off for scrap. I mean, when was the last time you saw a junkie put forth that kind of effort to get a fix?
I say we kill all the meth addicts. Seriously. Bullet to the head and a proper burial in a pine box. People need to *FEAR* doing drugs of this variety
I got a better idea. Let's kill all the tyrants who want to imprison or murder other people because they disagree with how that person lives his life. Tired of meth addicts stealing copper? If the shit was easily and readily available (like it should be, since it's ridiculously cheap and easy to produce) then this small segment of the population could continue to exist in harmony with the rest of society.
If we're gonna start lining people up against the wall and shooting them Nazi style, then I propose we do it to the hateful, moronic, and downright IGNORANT elements in our society such as YOU. See how slippery this slope gets, and really damn fast?
Hey jackass, how about reading the Wikipedia article? You know, the one I edited the other day, as they neglected to mention that as the bill is worded, unlawful detention applies to ANYONE WHO COMMITS A "BELLIGERENT ACT" against the U.S. or its coalition partners, REGARDLESS OF CITIZENSHIP STATUS.
Let that sink in for a minute.
What is a "belligerent act", you might ask? Who knows? I couldn't find a definition for it. "Belligerence" is warfare, so one could assume that anything which could be considered an "act of war" would therefore be a belligerent act.
Are you really so blind as to see how this can be very LIBERALLY applied to just about anyone the government wants? They play loose and fast with words so things can be twisted around to suit any situation. The whole "does not affect EXISTING law" is simply a red herring thrown in there to muddy the waters.
Or did you think Obama would publicly have "serious reservations" about this bill (before signing it anyways) if his administration didn't think there was anything controversial in it?
Our chains are being forged. Their clanking can be heard on the plains of Boston.
That's one hell of an "extension" you're making there, since they are two completely different things.
Example of my point: I know a guy who was adopted. He was raised by the most loving adoptive family imaginable. His dad is a cop (the old school kind, not a militaristic thug) and a good father. He's been raised right. Sadly this was all wasted effort because he is genetically flawed. He will continue lying, stealing, drinking, causing chaos, and hurting people and himself until the day he kills himself through his own stupidity.
If a person is genetically a FUCKING LOSER, no amount of government handholding is going to reform them.
Do you have evidence of those assertions? Just what is it about the fact "a computer from 1999 is still running somewhere" automatically implies cluelessness? Hell, there's still computers out there from the *1950s* still running...are their operators clueless too?
Besides, earbuds, even crappy ones, are sealed to the ear canal and consequently very quiet to anyone else.
In my experience, you can hear earbuds MUCH more easily than a real pair of headphones, especially if the inconsiderate fool has them turned up too loud. And if there is any one thing that would just about make me want to throw somebody through a fucking window, it's having to listen to someone else's music through earbuds that are turned up too loud.
You are completely missing the point that the problem here is not the amount of information that a doctor can potentially get from the full genome sequencing. The problem is that at the current state of the art we are unable to digest this information to a point where a doctor can act on it.
And you're completely missing the point that flooding the world with tons of cheap genetic sequences will do nothing but make this information EASIER to process and understand. It's a hell of a lot easier to search for patterns when you have a larger quantity of more accurate information to work with.
What if it's a 10% increased probability? For example, in my specific case, where I have a 10% higher chance than average of developing type II diabetes, based on my genome. Would you consider that helpful information? Or how about the fact that according to my genetics my body exhibits an increased sensitivity to Warfarin, a blood thinning agent? Do you think it could be helpful for the doctor to know this information, if I ever require this drug for some reason?
In summary, the current figures we have are that two-thirds of the genome is known to be junk, less than 9% is known to be functional, and almost all the remaining fraction, being non-conserved, is very likely to also be junk.
Please frame this and hang on the wall so you can laugh at yourself in 20 years when all of this is proven to be laughably ignorant.
How do you know a piece of DNA isn't being used? Maybe because every time you've created an mRNA library, you never seem to see these sequences expressed? Well, how do you know that the DNA in question isn't activated by some obscure environmental conditions, or other specific conditions which are never seen in your laboratory? How can you really prove that this sequence of DNA is not activated ANYWHERE, EVER, AT ALL? You CAN'T know that, using today's science, because we simply don't understand enough about genetics to really say with certainty that a specific DNA sequence is NEVER expressed.
Example: can you examine anything in the upbringing of Timothy McVeigh that justifies what he did in Oklahoma City?
Not a great example, because the final straw that put McVeigh on his destructive path was the murder of innocent civilians by our government at Waco. Hate doesn't just magically appear out of nothingness. It always has a cause.
Then why do you buy the lame excuses so many make for why what the 19 9/11 hijakcers did is justified in some insane loopy attempt at rationalization?
It isn't an attempt at rationalization. It's an attempt to understand. When you truly understand a situation, you can control it. And when you understand that it's your own actions that is making a situation worse and worse, you can STOP DIGGING.
Killing innocents is the original vile act, it is the not the product of anything other than the hate filled mind who commit the atrocity.
And the hate filled minds which commit atrocities? All too often this hate can be traced directly back to us and our actions. Our heavy handed tyranny across the globe is directly responsible for both McVeigh AND 9/11. We created these monsters.
YOUR argument can be boiled down to basically throwing up your hands and saying there's no way we can get rid of hate in the world, so let's not even try. Let's just keep blowing random mother fuckers up for no good reason, until their sons grow old enough to seek revenge, then we'll blow them up too and let the cycle continue until we're all dead. Great strategy.
Do you really feel that creating a utopian society that consists of "Social Security and Medicare for all" is what will stop angry teenagers from pulling Columbine on a biological warfare scale? I don't think that 17 year olds give a flip about entitlement programs, per se, and care much more about bullying and social issues that face teenagers, so this is just static.
I think "social security and medicare for all" is stupid and isn't going to accomplish the GP's goal. However, I do believe that if you make the adults happy, the kids will be happy too. Or did you think that bullying exists in a vacuum? Kids often bully each other because of problems in their parents' lives, which in many cases can be traced directly to the government, police, etc.
For those who are geopolitically motivated, this theory of "if everyone had the same basic stuff nobody would be pissed off anymore" is a failed experiment called Communism. You can look to Europe where everyone has free healthcare and basic rights and see how well that's working out. It's a wonderful thought, that probably won't create the desired utopia and probably has very little to do with why people might be inclined to violence around the world.
Agreed.
As for the notion that simmers below the surface of many liberal elitist postings
Problem #1---people who keep throwing around these perjorative words "conservative", "liberal", etc. You are doing nothing more than stirring up people against you by doing this. I'm not a "liberal", yet I would agree that our foreign policy is making us enemies.
that if somehow the USA just stopped meddling in world affairs the rest of the world would stop menacing and grow more peaceful and harmonious... That is so naive it's hard to even want to debate the point.
When was the last time anybody tried to invade Switzerland?
I firmly believe that most people are generally well intentioned and good natured. It's the ones that are evil that we need to worry about, and there are plenty of them all around the world. They will and they do rise to positions of power where they can and will spread tyrrany, bloodshed, and misery with our without our intervention.
The United States is the global leader in tyranny, bloodshed, and misery. More tyranny, bloodshed, and misery has been propagated by our leaders over the past 100 years than anyone else in the world, including African dictators. At least their tyranny generally stays confined to their own borders.
The notion that we can contain those problems to a region by leaving the Middle East for example is just naive. Iran has tentacles into South America, and those forces can freely flow right up into the States through the nonexistant southern border we are so afraid to police.
If you think Iran making friends with Venezuela is a problem for the U.S., then the one who is naive is you. Iran is a third world country on the other side of the world. They have no power to harm us in the U.S., and would have no desire to if we just left them the fuck alone.
Right - empowering everyone. Like who, exactly? China and Russia? They directly oppose any effort to reel in other dictators or bad actors on the world stage, especially if they think the USA might have to go it alone at our expense.
Well fuck man, why do you suppose that is? Could it have ANYTHING to do with the fact that our ECONOMY IS ABOUT TO COLLAPSE in large part due to our adverturism overseas?
China and Russia have never met another dictator they didn't like.
Neither has the U.S., judging by the number of them we've propped up over the years. Saddam Hussein ring a bell? The Shah, perhaps, as a quite relevant example to this discussion, considering this is the man who turned Iran against us in the first place?
The bad guys of the world today really feel little risk in terms of repercussions for acting out, and this is why so many are acting out.
Does it mean "could afford if they kept their jobs", or "could afford even if they lost their jobs as a side-effect of a crisis that they had zero part in causing"?
Yes.
If losing your job means losing your house, it means you are financially illiterate. You failed to plan for the future. Planning for the future includes setting aside funds, provisions, and supplies to cover a substantial period of unemployment or other unexpected catastrophe.
Seriously. I just get so sick of all these super judgemental people who don't care about details, they just want to jump straight to the gruesome fatal vengeance. They're living in a fantasy world where that solves everything and any other solution is a weakness that just makes things worse. They don't care about the morality of the situation, they just want to judge harshly and take what they see as heroic action against the "scum". Often these same people also want to commit genocide on 50% of the worlds population or more based on things like their religious affiliation or because they're "stealing" jobs, etc. It's pretty sick.
I'm glad you brought this up because I noticed the same thing and have been thinking on this subject recently.
Ever noticed how in TV shows, for example Lost comes to mine---the common recurring situation where they would capture an "enemy", then be debating what to do with him? There would always be this idea of "we don't need him anymore, just kill him" that you would think any members of a rational, peaceful society would immediately reject as barbaric, yet they would hem and haw about it. Like, seriously? You really have to sit there and think about this to figure out the right thing to do?
I think this attitude basically extends across our entire culture. Life has lost much of its value in our society. It's a cultural bubble of evil that's been growing for decades. The way I see it, it's coming to a head, and this is either going to end in one of two ways, and soon:
a) huge wakeup call in the form of WW3 (hello Iran)
b) a cultural renaissance (aka Ron Paul Revolution.)
... would you say that the homeless in the great depression also fucked up their shit?
Yes. It was free and easy credit that caused the last Great Depression, same as the one we are entering now. (No, the roller coaster ride isn't over QUITE yet...)
How many people lost their homes because of the bank caused financial crisis?
How many people who could actually afford their home lost it?
You're a jackass if you blame this on the people whose lives got fucked up not because of their own actions but because the financial industry fucked up.
Blaming the financial industry for what in the end is due to people's own selfish, stupid choices--because in the end, it's OUR own personal responsibility to take care of OURSELVES--is even more of a jackass thing to do.
It's our entire society which is corrupted in case you haven't noticed. Stupid home"owners", stupid banks, and our stupid government are ALL at fault here.
What about them? I think that homeless shelters are a Good Thing, and certainly so in the case of helping kids who had no choice about the situation they were born into. But let's be real--the kids have the same genetics as their parents. If the parents were losers then odds are the kids are too.
Speaking of Wall Street, now is the perfect time to invest in rare earth mining. This industry sector is set to EXPLODE and make a lot of people rich. There's a number of good, promising companies in this sector with shares at anywhere from 50 cents to $3 right now. Invest heavily now and you'll literally be a millionaire in a few years. I bet you had no idea of this, since you're too busy bitching about how you'll never succeed cause the man's got you down.
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Mod parent up. The root of the problem here is our failed economy. All this copper theft and stuff is nothing more than symptoms of that. It's not just the crackheads or meth addicts. It's people like the two brothers who dismantled an entire bridge and hauled it off for scrap. I mean, when was the last time you saw a junkie put forth that kind of effort to get a fix?
I say we kill all the meth addicts. Seriously. Bullet to the head and a proper burial in a pine box. People need to *FEAR* doing drugs of this variety
I got a better idea. Let's kill all the tyrants who want to imprison or murder other people because they disagree with how that person lives his life. Tired of meth addicts stealing copper? If the shit was easily and readily available (like it should be, since it's ridiculously cheap and easy to produce) then this small segment of the population could continue to exist in harmony with the rest of society.
If we're gonna start lining people up against the wall and shooting them Nazi style, then I propose we do it to the hateful, moronic, and downright IGNORANT elements in our society such as YOU. See how slippery this slope gets, and really damn fast?
'Despite efforts like these, thieves continue to steal copper because of its rising value.
Are you really sure that's the root cause of this?
Hey jackass, how about reading the Wikipedia article? You know, the one I edited the other day, as they neglected to mention that as the bill is worded, unlawful detention applies to ANYONE WHO COMMITS A "BELLIGERENT ACT" against the U.S. or its coalition partners, REGARDLESS OF CITIZENSHIP STATUS.
Let that sink in for a minute.
What is a "belligerent act", you might ask? Who knows? I couldn't find a definition for it. "Belligerence" is warfare, so one could assume that anything which could be considered an "act of war" would therefore be a belligerent act.
Are you really so blind as to see how this can be very LIBERALLY applied to just about anyone the government wants? They play loose and fast with words so things can be twisted around to suit any situation. The whole "does not affect EXISTING law" is simply a red herring thrown in there to muddy the waters.
Or did you think Obama would publicly have "serious reservations" about this bill (before signing it anyways) if his administration didn't think there was anything controversial in it?
Our chains are being forged. Their clanking can be heard on the plains of Boston.
We haven't reached that point yet,
Are you sure about that?
That's one hell of an "extension" you're making there, since they are two completely different things.
Example of my point: I know a guy who was adopted. He was raised by the most loving adoptive family imaginable. His dad is a cop (the old school kind, not a militaristic thug) and a good father. He's been raised right. Sadly this was all wasted effort because he is genetically flawed. He will continue lying, stealing, drinking, causing chaos, and hurting people and himself until the day he kills himself through his own stupidity.
If a person is genetically a FUCKING LOSER, no amount of government handholding is going to reform them.
No
No
Translation: "It's not my fucking problem to save every soul on this earth. If someone wants to help them, let them--but not on my dime."
Do you have evidence of those assertions? Just what is it about the fact "a computer from 1999 is still running somewhere" automatically implies cluelessness? Hell, there's still computers out there from the *1950s* still running...are their operators clueless too?
Besides, earbuds, even crappy ones, are sealed to the ear canal and consequently very quiet to anyone else.
In my experience, you can hear earbuds MUCH more easily than a real pair of headphones, especially if the inconsiderate fool has them turned up too loud. And if there is any one thing that would just about make me want to throw somebody through a fucking window, it's having to listen to someone else's music through earbuds that are turned up too loud.
You are completely missing the point that the problem here is not the amount of information that a doctor can potentially get from the full genome sequencing. The problem is that at the current state of the art we are unable to digest this information to a point where a doctor can act on it.
And you're completely missing the point that flooding the world with tons of cheap genetic sequences will do nothing but make this information EASIER to process and understand. It's a hell of a lot easier to search for patterns when you have a larger quantity of more accurate information to work with.
What if it's a 10% increased probability? For example, in my specific case, where I have a 10% higher chance than average of developing type II diabetes, based on my genome. Would you consider that helpful information? Or how about the fact that according to my genetics my body exhibits an increased sensitivity to Warfarin, a blood thinning agent? Do you think it could be helpful for the doctor to know this information, if I ever require this drug for some reason?
In summary, the current figures we have are that two-thirds of the genome is known to be junk, less than 9% is known to be functional, and almost all the remaining fraction, being non-conserved, is very likely to also be junk.
Please frame this and hang on the wall so you can laugh at yourself in 20 years when all of this is proven to be laughably ignorant.
How do you know a piece of DNA isn't being used? Maybe because every time you've created an mRNA library, you never seem to see these sequences expressed? Well, how do you know that the DNA in question isn't activated by some obscure environmental conditions, or other specific conditions which are never seen in your laboratory? How can you really prove that this sequence of DNA is not activated ANYWHERE, EVER, AT ALL? You CAN'T know that, using today's science, because we simply don't understand enough about genetics to really say with certainty that a specific DNA sequence is NEVER expressed.
Example: can you examine anything in the upbringing of Timothy McVeigh that justifies what he did in Oklahoma City?
Not a great example, because the final straw that put McVeigh on his destructive path was the murder of innocent civilians by our government at Waco. Hate doesn't just magically appear out of nothingness. It always has a cause.
Then why do you buy the lame excuses so many make for why what the 19 9/11 hijakcers did is justified in some insane loopy attempt at rationalization?
It isn't an attempt at rationalization. It's an attempt to understand. When you truly understand a situation, you can control it. And when you understand that it's your own actions that is making a situation worse and worse, you can STOP DIGGING.
Killing innocents is the original vile act, it is the not the product of anything other than the hate filled mind who commit the atrocity.
And the hate filled minds which commit atrocities? All too often this hate can be traced directly back to us and our actions. Our heavy handed tyranny across the globe is directly responsible for both McVeigh AND 9/11. We created these monsters.
YOUR argument can be boiled down to basically throwing up your hands and saying there's no way we can get rid of hate in the world, so let's not even try. Let's just keep blowing random mother fuckers up for no good reason, until their sons grow old enough to seek revenge, then we'll blow them up too and let the cycle continue until we're all dead. Great strategy.
Do you really feel that creating a utopian society that consists of "Social Security and Medicare for all" is what will stop angry teenagers from pulling Columbine on a biological warfare scale? I don't think that 17 year olds give a flip about entitlement programs, per se, and care much more about bullying and social issues that face teenagers, so this is just static.
I think "social security and medicare for all" is stupid and isn't going to accomplish the GP's goal. However, I do believe that if you make the adults happy, the kids will be happy too. Or did you think that bullying exists in a vacuum? Kids often bully each other because of problems in their parents' lives, which in many cases can be traced directly to the government, police, etc.
For those who are geopolitically motivated, this theory of "if everyone had the same basic stuff nobody would be pissed off anymore" is a failed experiment called Communism. You can look to Europe where everyone has free healthcare and basic rights and see how well that's working out. It's a wonderful thought, that probably won't create the desired utopia and probably has very little to do with why people might be inclined to violence around the world.
Agreed.
As for the notion that simmers below the surface of many liberal elitist postings
Problem #1---people who keep throwing around these perjorative words "conservative", "liberal", etc. You are doing nothing more than stirring up people against you by doing this. I'm not a "liberal", yet I would agree that our foreign policy is making us enemies.
that if somehow the USA just stopped meddling in world affairs the rest of the world would stop menacing and grow more peaceful and harmonious... That is so naive it's hard to even want to debate the point.
When was the last time anybody tried to invade Switzerland?
I firmly believe that most people are generally well intentioned and good natured. It's the ones that are evil that we need to worry about, and there are plenty of them all around the world. They will and they do rise to positions of power where they can and will spread tyrrany, bloodshed, and misery with our without our intervention.
The United States is the global leader in tyranny, bloodshed, and misery. More tyranny, bloodshed, and misery has been propagated by our leaders over the past 100 years than anyone else in the world, including African dictators. At least their tyranny generally stays confined to their own borders.
The notion that we can contain those problems to a region by leaving the Middle East for example is just naive. Iran has tentacles into South America, and those forces can freely flow right up into the States through the nonexistant southern border we are so afraid to police.
If you think Iran making friends with Venezuela is a problem for the U.S., then the one who is naive is you. Iran is a third world country on the other side of the world. They have no power to harm us in the U.S., and would have no desire to if we just left them the fuck alone.
Right - empowering everyone. Like who, exactly? China and Russia? They directly oppose any effort to reel in other dictators or bad actors on the world stage, especially if they think the USA might have to go it alone at our expense.
Well fuck man, why do you suppose that is? Could it have ANYTHING to do with the fact that our ECONOMY IS ABOUT TO COLLAPSE in large part due to our adverturism overseas?
China and Russia have never met another dictator they didn't like.
Neither has the U.S., judging by the number of them we've propped up over the years. Saddam Hussein ring a bell? The Shah, perhaps, as a quite relevant example to this discussion, considering this is the man who turned Iran against us in the first place?
The bad guys of the world today really feel little risk in terms of repercussions for acting out, and this is why so many are acting out.
Your "good guy/ba
Does it mean "could afford if they kept their jobs", or "could afford even if they lost their jobs as a side-effect of a crisis that they had zero part in causing"?
Yes.
If losing your job means losing your house, it means you are financially illiterate. You failed to plan for the future. Planning for the future includes setting aside funds, provisions, and supplies to cover a substantial period of unemployment or other unexpected catastrophe.
A prison seems like the best place to have diseases, where else would you want it? In nurseries, in supermarkets?
Congress would be a good start.
Seriously. I just get so sick of all these super judgemental people who don't care about details, they just want to jump straight to the gruesome fatal vengeance. They're living in a fantasy world where that solves everything and any other solution is a weakness that just makes things worse. They don't care about the morality of the situation, they just want to judge harshly and take what they see as heroic action against the "scum". Often these same people also want to commit genocide on 50% of the worlds population or more based on things like their religious affiliation or because they're "stealing" jobs, etc. It's pretty sick.
I'm glad you brought this up because I noticed the same thing and have been thinking on this subject recently.
Ever noticed how in TV shows, for example Lost comes to mine---the common recurring situation where they would capture an "enemy", then be debating what to do with him? There would always be this idea of "we don't need him anymore, just kill him" that you would think any members of a rational, peaceful society would immediately reject as barbaric, yet they would hem and haw about it. Like, seriously? You really have to sit there and think about this to figure out the right thing to do?
I think this attitude basically extends across our entire culture. Life has lost much of its value in our society. It's a cultural bubble of evil that's been growing for decades. The way I see it, it's coming to a head, and this is either going to end in one of two ways, and soon:
a) huge wakeup call in the form of WW3 (hello Iran)
b) a cultural renaissance (aka Ron Paul Revolution.)
Way to be purposefully deceptive! You're numbers don't look so good when you normalize that to cost of living.
$30k/year is a respectable middle class income for a single person in Alabama.
If you're rich enough, it doesn't matter how badly you fail, you'll be propped up and given every opportunity to fix things.
What do they call a rich family that fails badly enough a few times?
Poor
... would you say that the homeless in the great depression also fucked up their shit?
Yes. It was free and easy credit that caused the last Great Depression, same as the one we are entering now. (No, the roller coaster ride isn't over QUITE yet...)
How many people lost their homes because of the bank caused financial crisis?
How many people who could actually afford their home lost it?
You're a jackass if you blame this on the people whose lives got fucked up not because of their own actions but because the financial industry fucked up.
Blaming the financial industry for what in the end is due to people's own selfish, stupid choices--because in the end, it's OUR own personal responsibility to take care of OURSELVES--is even more of a jackass thing to do.
It's our entire society which is corrupted in case you haven't noticed. Stupid home"owners", stupid banks, and our stupid government are ALL at fault here.
What about their kids?
What about them? I think that homeless shelters are a Good Thing, and certainly so in the case of helping kids who had no choice about the situation they were born into. But let's be real--the kids have the same genetics as their parents. If the parents were losers then odds are the kids are too.
Speaking of Wall Street, now is the perfect time to invest in rare earth mining. This industry sector is set to EXPLODE and make a lot of people rich. There's a number of good, promising companies in this sector with shares at anywhere from 50 cents to $3 right now. Invest heavily now and you'll literally be a millionaire in a few years. I bet you had no idea of this, since you're too busy bitching about how you'll never succeed cause the man's got you down.
Exactly... congress isn't evil on this issue... just ignorant.
Willful ignorance, when placed in a position of power over other people's lives, IS evil.
We arn't changing it by bitching about it to each other.
On the contrary--that's exactly what we're doing. This is how information and ideas spread, which is the first step towards change.