That's not an Aussie thing, that's an Irish thing. I'm an American and I should know because I feel my blood boil in the exact same way when someone pushes me around. These days with the government all up in my business, it's constantly on simmer.
Systematic executions of "any other undesirables" is an atrocity yes and executing POW's is not even remotely comparable.
Sure it is. They are both manifestations of the same thing--cold blooded murder.
You think those 18 year old soldiers really had a choice about whether or not to come and fight you? They were raised up in a society that told them day in and day out that you are evil and the enemy. So were the 36 year olds for that matter. Many/most of them were drafted into service, or if not drafted, heavily pressured. They are trying to kill you because they've been told that you're trying to kill THEM and rape their women.
Do they deserve to die for this?
I guarantee that a huge percentage of what YOU believe about some other people in the world is incorrect and wrong. Do YOU deserve to die for this?
"An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind"
It's also important to remember that no intelligence agency is going to go "Well, since you're already in possession of our classified documents which you obtained via illegal means, I guess we'll help you tidy them up for publication!"
Of course not. The power of ego and pride is a powerful thing.
If he actually DID approach intel agencies asking for the help he claims he did, he's lucky he didn't find himself stepping out of a plane cruising at 30,000 feet somewhere over the mid atlantic.
Yes, they are murderous and corrupt bastards, which is exactly why the cables needed to be released, redacted or not.
By way of comparison, let's use an analogy. Somebody breaks into your home, and steals your big-screen TV. They sell it to somebody on the street for a hundred bucks. The person who bought the TV then comes to your house and says, "Hey, since I already have your TV, can you come over and help me mount it on the wall and connect it to the entertainment system? I'll totally let you come hang out once a week and watch tv with me if you do."
Here is a better analogy: someone breaks into your house and takes pictures of all the midgets you have chained to the wall in your torture chamber, and the piles of human skeletons in your closet. This person then contacts you a few days later offering you the chance to look over the photos and blot out/remove any personal information besides the incriminating evidence, before they are released. You refuse. When the pictures become public anyway, you then throw a temper tantrum because one of them shows your birth date and SSN, and try to make out like the picture taker is the bad guy here.
Because the documents were illegally obtained, still classified, and not authorized for disclosure. Assange continued anyway, with predictable results. Assange doesn't care who gets hurt by his activities.
Yeah, put it on Assange, messenger and speaker of truth. It's all his fault that people are getting hurt, not the corrupt politicians whose dirty laundry got aired. It's all Assange's fault for sparking peaceful revolutions throughout most of the Arab world and setting fire to one in the U.S. as well. Stupid selfish Assange, not caring who gets "hurt" by his actions.
None of the stuff I learned back then has been used in my day to day life since full time education, it was all a basic introduction to each subject, just enough to show what was involved and provide a starter, a base to build upon later in life if you decide to, either through higher education in that subject or just later in life for fun.
Yes in addition, having been introduced to those subjects actually altered your ways of thinking, and broadened them. That is the whole point of an education: to expose people to information, which they then analyze and come up with conclusions which alter their thinking to some extent. It's not about (or shouldn't be) about rote memorization. Only an utterly, horribly broken and backwards (such as the U.S.) school teaches kids in this manner.
It really feels like the slashdot crowd is forgetting the vast amount of manual labor required for the rest of us to be able to employ ourselves with creating the data-juggling tools allowing *managers* to optimize their departments of manual workers. You all realize that there are still people working at assembly lines?
Yes. I also happen to know people working at machine shops as well. The most impressive one I've personally been inside was in Soddy, TN, and it was packed full of millions of dollars of CNC machines, fully automated six axis mills which turn billets of material into useful parts, all by themselves. Guess who gets to program them? In many cases, it's old school machinists who were sharp enough to to perceive how learning this whole "programming" thing might benefit them, even if they had no previous experience in computers. It was their gumption and curiosity that allowed them to succeed. Meanwhile there's a hundred other otherwise competent dudes who simply fear the machines and/or programming, because they were trained their entire lives by our fucked up school system to think they are too stupid to learn all that fancy stuff, whether that's actually true or not. So they miss out.
Now what happens if the schools were to introduce some of these basic programming principles at a young age, when the mind is still in a very impressionable state? I learned programming when I was 7, because I found a book in the school library on BASIC programming and thought it was interesting. Not every kid can grasp such material at this age or any other but clearly some/many can. Why not teach these basic mental building blocks so that our kids will be better posed to take advantage of future opportunities? Do you think the market for complex machinery requiring some level of programming is going to *decrease* in the future?
back 300 years ago, there were only few who could engage in arts and sciences, due to the social conditions of the time. and, the technological amenities that makes everything easier today, were not around.
therefore, any amount of activity per population back at that period, counts much more than any activity per population for this period.
Sorry, your argument is utter nonsense.
the period in between 1750-1850 is the most active period in science and literature in history
Ridiculous. TODAY is the most active period in science and literature in history. Or did you think literature only includes books? What we are doing right this very second (exchanging thoughts via formatted paragraphs in a public discussion forum) is a form of literature. Neither literature nor science has decreased in any way, shape, form, or fashion. In fact it has increased substantially, due to the easy and ubiquitous availability of literature and scientific knowledge to anyone who wants it.
thats only because your vision and perception is as shallow
What did Confucius say about throwing stones in a glass house?
So basically, this is going to pass no matter what, and the USA will follow shortly thereafter.
And your fucking defeated, negative attitude is helping things how?
You had a choice when you posted this comment--you could either post something that would urge people to not accept this bullshit infringement on their liberty, or like a coward you could just agree with your masters that the battle for freedom is already lost, and in the process influence others to agree and give up too...."they got us beat! everyone give up the fight now and things will go easier for us!"
How about next time thinking about the actual effect of your words before opening your mouth? Whose side are you on, exactly? If you don't have anything positive to say that in some way promotes freedom, then don't say anything.
If Iran used it, they did so because their technology is primitive, not because they had inside information.
Which technology is more primitive? The Iranians with their crude jamming, or the multi-million dollar drone which is clearly easily defeated by said crude jamming?
I don't want to come off as lecturing, but the current language in the presidential campaign seems particularly counter productive. Everyone is taking about a few select job creators being in control of out lives, which is not really the case. We can all be in control of our futures, at least to some extent. We don't have to wait for some Ayn Rand savior to give us a sense of worth. We can do it for ourselves, through work, through education, through creating of products. And that is products, not just taking a bit off the top in transactions.
Thank you, I wish I'd saved a mod point for this. I noticed the same thing and I'm so sick of hearing "jobs this" and "jobs that." Whatever happened to the American dream of making your OWN job?
You can't walk away from a student loan like a mortgage or a credit card bill (bankruptcy). If you earn an income you will pay student loans.
And what if you can't both pay your college loans AND feed yourself? Or your family? Something's got to give. Do you think it's going to be the fat cats in the government, or the starving masses of peasants? If unsure, history is replete with examples.
I know a guy who is still a YEAR away from graduation and is already $100k in debt. Holy shit! I had read about these folks, but here is an actual example standing in front of me....and he can't be the only one at this college that costs $2000 just to take one fucking class! So what happens when the world economy collapses like it's about to, probably in a long drawn out (and in the end, more painful) process, and the unemployment situation gets REAL, and now 80% of these people have to default on their student loans? And the institution backing these loans (banks, other lending organizations, or...the Federal Government!) potentially become insolvent?
Do you see now what they mean by a college bubble? It's going to pop soon, and it's going to be big and nasty. The worst part of it is, when it pops this WON'T be the biggest and most dangerous item on our agenda. We are currently staring at worldwide economic collapse via domino effect, starting with Europe. The political situation is already tense as hell with countries gearing up to go to war with one another....what effect is another worldwide Great Depression going to have on this scenario, do you think? Soon we will be wishing for the good ole days when we could laugh and joke naively about how fucking expensive college is.
The most logical scenario in the near term is more and more income will go "under the table", thus evading the Federal Government's greedy ass hands. The more they squeeze, the more dollars and influence slip through their fingers.
I'm sure the lenders greatest dream is to extract minimum payments from graduates until the day they die and beyond.
They'd love it and have been working towards it, but unfortunately for them they will never get that far, because the biggest bubble of all--United States tyranny--is about to pop, big time.
Except this actually happened in my city. To build a Wal-Mart + shopping center. About 6-7 years ago. Private property was confiscated, then handed on a silver platter to a private development firm.
It makes no damn sense to *give* someone blackmail material on you that can be copied easily and posted for the whole world to see if they get pissed at you.
Yeah, and a) the person who did it then looks like an asshole, b) you can simply change your password if the wrong person knows it.
They do it because there is the short term feeling of trust shared between them, but with no conception of the long term consequences involved.
Actually I'm pretty sure they have a very clear conception of the "long term" "consequences" involved...i.e....NONE. I mean, what, you thought cause you gave your email password to a friend when you were 14 that it's going to somehow come back and haunt you 20 years later? Maybe if you're stupid enough to never change your password.
Password security is NOT that important for a 14 year old, or even most 40 year olds. Passwords are stupid and flawed anyhow and things will be 10x better when they are replaced by some better form of authentication.
Close. The root cause is the economy, and the root cause of that is corruption in government and in our banking system. Yes, it trickles down. The War on Drugs of course plays a huge role as well, but the brothers who dismantled an entire bridge in Pennsylvania to sell for scrap weren't doing it to buy drugs.
My conclusion is that anyone who actually believes the official conspiracy theory either has more faith in their government than in their own senses and logic, or cannot fathom the concept that people in positions of power would ever do something against "their own" people.
Well, I guess your conclusion is just about as simple and ignorant as your reasoning.
I have no love for the government and know they're up to no good at every turn, and I'm one paranoid pot smoking mother fucker...but the WTC attacks was not a fucking controlled detonation. Yeah, that's my senses and reasoning at work telling me this. I guess I must just be a moron because I weighed all the evidence and came to a different conclusion than you.
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There's also an Aussie phrase. "A root you don't have, is a root you don't get".
Maybe I'm too high but the meaning of this phrase seems to have been lost in translation. Can you enlighten? Thanks
That's not an Aussie thing, that's an Irish thing. I'm an American and I should know because I feel my blood boil in the exact same way when someone pushes me around. These days with the government all up in my business, it's constantly on simmer.
Systematic executions of "any other undesirables" is an atrocity yes and executing POW's is not even remotely comparable.
Sure it is. They are both manifestations of the same thing--cold blooded murder.
You think those 18 year old soldiers really had a choice about whether or not to come and fight you? They were raised up in a society that told them day in and day out that you are evil and the enemy. So were the 36 year olds for that matter. Many/most of them were drafted into service, or if not drafted, heavily pressured. They are trying to kill you because they've been told that you're trying to kill THEM and rape their women.
Do they deserve to die for this?
I guarantee that a huge percentage of what YOU believe about some other people in the world is incorrect and wrong. Do YOU deserve to die for this?
"An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind"
It's also important to remember that no intelligence agency is going to go "Well, since you're already in possession of our classified documents which you obtained via illegal means, I guess we'll help you tidy them up for publication!"
Of course not. The power of ego and pride is a powerful thing.
If he actually DID approach intel agencies asking for the help he claims he did, he's lucky he didn't find himself stepping out of a plane cruising at 30,000 feet somewhere over the mid atlantic.
Yes, they are murderous and corrupt bastards, which is exactly why the cables needed to be released, redacted or not.
By way of comparison, let's use an analogy. Somebody breaks into your home, and steals your big-screen TV. They sell it to somebody on the street for a hundred bucks. The person who bought the TV then comes to your house and says, "Hey, since I already have your TV, can you come over and help me mount it on the wall and connect it to the entertainment system? I'll totally let you come hang out once a week and watch tv with me if you do."
Here is a better analogy: someone breaks into your house and takes pictures of all the midgets you have chained to the wall in your torture chamber, and the piles of human skeletons in your closet. This person then contacts you a few days later offering you the chance to look over the photos and blot out/remove any personal information besides the incriminating evidence, before they are released. You refuse. When the pictures become public anyway, you then throw a temper tantrum because one of them shows your birth date and SSN, and try to make out like the picture taker is the bad guy here.
Because the documents were illegally obtained, still classified, and not authorized for disclosure. Assange continued anyway, with predictable results. Assange doesn't care who gets hurt by his activities.
Yeah, put it on Assange, messenger and speaker of truth. It's all his fault that people are getting hurt, not the corrupt politicians whose dirty laundry got aired. It's all Assange's fault for sparking peaceful revolutions throughout most of the Arab world and setting fire to one in the U.S. as well. Stupid selfish Assange, not caring who gets "hurt" by his actions.
Not disagreeing with your post BTW--just adding on. Damn slashdot, wish they'd get with the times and let us edit posts.
None of the stuff I learned back then has been used in my day to day life since full time education, it was all a basic introduction to each subject, just enough to show what was involved and provide a starter, a base to build upon later in life if you decide to, either through higher education in that subject or just later in life for fun.
Yes in addition, having been introduced to those subjects actually altered your ways of thinking, and broadened them. That is the whole point of an education: to expose people to information, which they then analyze and come up with conclusions which alter their thinking to some extent. It's not about (or shouldn't be) about rote memorization. Only an utterly, horribly broken and backwards (such as the U.S.) school teaches kids in this manner.
It really feels like the slashdot crowd is forgetting the vast amount of manual labor required for the rest of us to be able to employ ourselves with creating the data-juggling tools allowing *managers* to optimize their departments of manual workers. You all realize that there are still people working at assembly lines?
Yes. I also happen to know people working at machine shops as well. The most impressive one I've personally been inside was in Soddy, TN, and it was packed full of millions of dollars of CNC machines, fully automated six axis mills which turn billets of material into useful parts, all by themselves. Guess who gets to program them? In many cases, it's old school machinists who were sharp enough to to perceive how learning this whole "programming" thing might benefit them, even if they had no previous experience in computers. It was their gumption and curiosity that allowed them to succeed. Meanwhile there's a hundred other otherwise competent dudes who simply fear the machines and/or programming, because they were trained their entire lives by our fucked up school system to think they are too stupid to learn all that fancy stuff, whether that's actually true or not. So they miss out.
Now what happens if the schools were to introduce some of these basic programming principles at a young age, when the mind is still in a very impressionable state? I learned programming when I was 7, because I found a book in the school library on BASIC programming and thought it was interesting. Not every kid can grasp such material at this age or any other but clearly some/many can. Why not teach these basic mental building blocks so that our kids will be better posed to take advantage of future opportunities? Do you think the market for complex machinery requiring some level of programming is going to *decrease* in the future?
Fuck you, I enjoyed reading his post
back 300 years ago, there were only few who could engage in arts and sciences, due to the social conditions of the time. and, the technological amenities that makes everything easier today, were not around.
therefore, any amount of activity per population back at that period, counts much more than any activity per population for this period.
Sorry, your argument is utter nonsense.
the period in between 1750-1850 is the most active period in science and literature in history
Ridiculous. TODAY is the most active period in science and literature in history. Or did you think literature only includes books? What we are doing right this very second (exchanging thoughts via formatted paragraphs in a public discussion forum) is a form of literature. Neither literature nor science has decreased in any way, shape, form, or fashion. In fact it has increased substantially, due to the easy and ubiquitous availability of literature and scientific knowledge to anyone who wants it.
thats only because your vision and perception is as shallow
What did Confucius say about throwing stones in a glass house?
So basically, this is going to pass no matter what, and the USA will follow shortly thereafter.
And your fucking defeated, negative attitude is helping things how?
You had a choice when you posted this comment--you could either post something that would urge people to not accept this bullshit infringement on their liberty, or like a coward you could just agree with your masters that the battle for freedom is already lost, and in the process influence others to agree and give up too...."they got us beat! everyone give up the fight now and things will go easier for us!"
How about next time thinking about the actual effect of your words before opening your mouth? Whose side are you on, exactly? If you don't have anything positive to say that in some way promotes freedom, then don't say anything.
So they put cameras in each candidate's house to make sure nobody hands him any envelopes full of money?
If Iran used it, they did so because their technology is primitive, not because they had inside information.
Which technology is more primitive? The Iranians with their crude jamming, or the multi-million dollar drone which is clearly easily defeated by said crude jamming?
Why is this flamebait? This is some of the best advice on this thread.
Nice correlation, but unfortunately college education doesn't cause one to be smarter, as you just demonstrated.
I don't want to come off as lecturing, but the current language in the presidential campaign seems particularly counter productive. Everyone is taking about a few select job creators being in control of out lives, which is not really the case. We can all be in control of our futures, at least to some extent. We don't have to wait for some Ayn Rand savior to give us a sense of worth. We can do it for ourselves, through work, through education, through creating of products. And that is products, not just taking a bit off the top in transactions.
Thank you, I wish I'd saved a mod point for this. I noticed the same thing and I'm so sick of hearing "jobs this" and "jobs that." Whatever happened to the American dream of making your OWN job?
You can't walk away from a student loan like a mortgage or a credit card bill (bankruptcy). If you earn an income you will pay student loans.
And what if you can't both pay your college loans AND feed yourself? Or your family? Something's got to give. Do you think it's going to be the fat cats in the government, or the starving masses of peasants? If unsure, history is replete with examples.
I know a guy who is still a YEAR away from graduation and is already $100k in debt. Holy shit! I had read about these folks, but here is an actual example standing in front of me....and he can't be the only one at this college that costs $2000 just to take one fucking class! So what happens when the world economy collapses like it's about to, probably in a long drawn out (and in the end, more painful) process, and the unemployment situation gets REAL, and now 80% of these people have to default on their student loans? And the institution backing these loans (banks, other lending organizations, or...the Federal Government!) potentially become insolvent?
Do you see now what they mean by a college bubble? It's going to pop soon, and it's going to be big and nasty. The worst part of it is, when it pops this WON'T be the biggest and most dangerous item on our agenda. We are currently staring at worldwide economic collapse via domino effect, starting with Europe. The political situation is already tense as hell with countries gearing up to go to war with one another....what effect is another worldwide Great Depression going to have on this scenario, do you think? Soon we will be wishing for the good ole days when we could laugh and joke naively about how fucking expensive college is.
The most logical scenario in the near term is more and more income will go "under the table", thus evading the Federal Government's greedy ass hands. The more they squeeze, the more dollars and influence slip through their fingers.
I'm sure the lenders greatest dream is to extract minimum payments from graduates until the day they die and beyond.
They'd love it and have been working towards it, but unfortunately for them they will never get that far, because the biggest bubble of all--United States tyranny--is about to pop, big time.
Except this actually happened in my city. To build a Wal-Mart + shopping center. About 6-7 years ago. Private property was confiscated, then handed on a silver platter to a private development firm.
I concur.
All the more reason to ignore the law
but you'd be pretty blind to not see how it could help in courting women.
Or a typical Slashdotter
It makes no damn sense to *give* someone blackmail material on you that can be copied easily and posted for the whole world to see if they get pissed at you.
Yeah, and a) the person who did it then looks like an asshole, b) you can simply change your password if the wrong person knows it.
They do it because there is the short term feeling of trust shared between them, but with no conception of the long term consequences involved.
Actually I'm pretty sure they have a very clear conception of the "long term" "consequences" involved...i.e....NONE. I mean, what, you thought cause you gave your email password to a friend when you were 14 that it's going to somehow come back and haunt you 20 years later? Maybe if you're stupid enough to never change your password.
Password security is NOT that important for a 14 year old, or even most 40 year olds. Passwords are stupid and flawed anyhow and things will be 10x better when they are replaced by some better form of authentication.
It's all that "junk" DNA! We don't know what it does, so of course this means it has no function.
Close. The root cause is the economy, and the root cause of that is corruption in government and in our banking system. Yes, it trickles down. The War on Drugs of course plays a huge role as well, but the brothers who dismantled an entire bridge in Pennsylvania to sell for scrap weren't doing it to buy drugs.
My conclusion is that anyone who actually believes the official conspiracy theory either has more faith in their government than in their own senses and logic, or cannot fathom the concept that people in positions of power would ever do something against "their own" people.
Well, I guess your conclusion is just about as simple and ignorant as your reasoning.
I have no love for the government and know they're up to no good at every turn, and I'm one paranoid pot smoking mother fucker...but the WTC attacks was not a fucking controlled detonation. Yeah, that's my senses and reasoning at work telling me this. I guess I must just be a moron because I weighed all the evidence and came to a different conclusion than you.