I'm not saying to include it in place of manually entering whatever you need, but alongside it.
I don't even think you understood what I said. What are you talking about copying all sorts of junk to a server?
You get a Boot ISO. You boot from it. You choose FTP install. As it exists now you type in some server that you copied down the info for from the mirror list that you grabbed from the web page with mirrors on it.
What I would like to see is simply a list of the mirror sites during the install that I can select from. I believe the OpenBSD FTP install does this, but it's been a while since I touched that.
The game thing was just an analogy, probably a poor one. It's the first thing that came to mind.
I keep trying to install linux because I've used it in the past and like it. At this point it's like battered wife syndrome.
You think wireless security is optional and call me an idiot?
I think getting networking working is fundamental. And if that means giving the user the option of using an unstable piece of software then that is what must be done.
I downloaded what I needed to download. Futzed with config files for a lot longer than I should have. My goal was actually to get it working and write it up because the current documentation is so poor. But it's so poor that I can't get it working and can't document how to get it working.
And read up a few threads. This totally validates my point. What is it STABLE and usable? Or unstable and unusable? People are trying to have it both ways.
At the point where the STABLE system does not detect the networking correctly or cannot configure the user should right then and there be able to grab the UNSTABLE stuff which in all likelihood will get their networking to work, albeit unstably.
1) Change the default SSID on your router. 2) Change the default password on your router. 3) Turn off SSID broadcasting. 4) Enable encryption.
And usually under step 4 in parens is (WEP encryption is insecure and susceptible to hacks/attacks/whatever. WPA is better. Use WPA).
I don't know why WPA is better than WEP. Maybe it isn't. But I'm just doing what the checklist says, because I don't want my connection to be compromised. That is why I want to use WPA rather than WEP.
I disagree strongly with the way "development" is bandied about as if this were some alpha version 0.3. Yes, it is a development version, but it does not infer what you want it to, which is "hey stupid user, can't blame us it don't work." As a development version I would have an even greater expectation of it working since it should include more recent versions of the software needed to get wireless working. But you want me to use the stable whatever last version of Red Hat/Fedora came out. 9.something was it from 1999? Yeh, I'm sure using that will get my wireless working. Stupid me for using a "development" version.
I understand I need to grab the driver from the manufacturer. But that should essentially be it. Ndiswrapper should be good to go as well as WPA_supplicant. Why should I have to futz around with these things at all?
Shouldn't getting a network up be somewhat high on the list of things a linux system should do automagically at the very beginning? If you don't have the networking then a user is plain dead in the water so far as grabbing updates to get other things working.
When you say Universe/Multiverse that means what exactly? Something on the install CDs but not on the Live CDs? Or something that is downloaded?
I can't download when I don't have my wireless working. Why isn't WPA_supplicant included by default at the beginning? It's a 50k file! Couldn't cram it onto the CD?
My experience trying to setup wireless with Fedora Core 4 was brutal. Nothing I needed was in the initial install. With no net connection in linux I had to keep booting into my windows partition to search for any help at all on how to set things up and then download what I needed. And then go back into linux to toil and then fail. And then repeat the process. Eventually I got my card at least detected, but when I activated it the whole machine hung. So I gave up on Red Hat.
Ubuntu detected my wireless card. But has no WPA support.
It seems that Suse will also detect things, but also has no WPA support. They also have no Live CD. Why they can make a Live DVD but not a Live CD is beyond me. Just shave off some crap. All I want to know is if your distro will support my machine or not.
Linux on the Desktop? Not if the user has a wireless card.
The last time I installed Fedora Core 4 off a boot CD I was amazed that to do an ftp install I still had to punch in manually what mirror I wanted to do the install from. Computer games have been grabbing "master server lists" for some time now. Can't something similar be worked into the FTP install?
He wants to take $80-120 billion a year out of the economy and create a new tax payer funded federal agency? This is a good idea?
Last time I checked software and computers weren't expensive at all, certainly not enough that it needs some hair brained solution like this. Talk about a solution in search of a problem... yeesh!
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I'm getting tired of RPGs and FPSs.
The success of 3D platformers has lead to a renaissance in 2D gaming,
I guess I don't follow games that closely anymore. What 3d platformers have I missed, and what games defined the 2d renaissance that followed?
I'd rather Vectorman.
Will games be available that were not published by Nintendo or Sega? Like Vectorman?
Small portions of food. Expensive drinks.
I'd rather go to a bar with 10 cent buffalo wings and $1 beer.
And probably why it is everyone else's default.
quite a diverse group: Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists. Are prayers heard equally from everyone?
As somewhat of a Catholic I'd prefer a convent of nuns pray for me rather than a monastery of Buddhist monks.
I wish they'd get Mech Assault I & II working.
http://archive.gamespy.com/reviews/november01/maje stic/
Fewer people equals less people using things that emit greenhouse gases. But the environmental movement in the US nixed that idea.
What part don't you get?
Just a guess. I have no idea how well it sold.
Say, a game that nearly everyone will get. I'm thinking along the lines of Halo 3.
I'm not saying to include it in place of manually entering whatever you need, but alongside it.
I don't even think you understood what I said. What are you talking about copying all sorts of junk to a server?
You get a Boot ISO. You boot from it. You choose FTP install. As it exists now you type in some server that you copied down the info for from the mirror list that you grabbed from the web page with mirrors on it.
What I would like to see is simply a list of the mirror sites during the install that I can select from. I believe the OpenBSD FTP install does this, but it's been a while since I touched that.
The game thing was just an analogy, probably a poor one. It's the first thing that came to mind.
I keep trying to install linux because I've used it in the past and like it. At this point it's like battered wife syndrome.
You think wireless security is optional and call me an idiot?
I think getting networking working is fundamental. And if that means giving the user the option of using an unstable piece of software then that is what must be done.
And read up a few threads. This totally validates my point. What is it STABLE and usable? Or unstable and unusable? People are trying to have it both ways.
Give the user a complete non-working system?
At the point where the STABLE system does not detect the networking correctly or cannot configure the user should right then and there be able to grab the UNSTABLE stuff which in all likelihood will get their networking to work, albeit unstably.
Doesn't it make sense it should be included?
"Sorry, the default install only supports UDP. To get TCP/IP working you need to download TCPIP_suplicant."
WTF?
go something like this...
1) Change the default SSID on your router.
2) Change the default password on your router.
3) Turn off SSID broadcasting.
4) Enable encryption.
And usually under step 4 in parens is (WEP encryption is insecure and susceptible to hacks/attacks/whatever. WPA is better. Use WPA).
I don't know why WPA is better than WEP. Maybe it isn't. But I'm just doing what the checklist says, because I don't want my connection to be compromised. That is why I want to use WPA rather than WEP.
I disagree strongly with the way "development" is bandied about as if this were some alpha version 0.3. Yes, it is a development version, but it does not infer what you want it to, which is "hey stupid user, can't blame us it don't work." As a development version I would have an even greater expectation of it working since it should include more recent versions of the software needed to get wireless working. But you want me to use the stable whatever last version of Red Hat/Fedora came out. 9.something was it from 1999? Yeh, I'm sure using that will get my wireless working. Stupid me for using a "development" version.
I understand I need to grab the driver from the manufacturer. But that should essentially be it. Ndiswrapper should be good to go as well as WPA_supplicant. Why should I have to futz around with these things at all?
Shouldn't getting a network up be somewhat high on the list of things a linux system should do automagically at the very beginning? If you don't have the networking then a user is plain dead in the water so far as grabbing updates to get other things working.
When you say Universe/Multiverse that means what exactly? Something on the install CDs but not on the Live CDs? Or something that is downloaded?
I can't download when I don't have my wireless working. Why isn't WPA_supplicant included by default at the beginning? It's a 50k file! Couldn't cram it onto the CD?
My experience trying to setup wireless with Fedora Core 4 was brutal. Nothing I needed was in the initial install. With no net connection in linux I had to keep booting into my windows partition to search for any help at all on how to set things up and then download what I needed. And then go back into linux to toil and then fail. And then repeat the process. Eventually I got my card at least detected, but when I activated it the whole machine hung. So I gave up on Red Hat.
Ubuntu detected my wireless card. But has no WPA support.
It seems that Suse will also detect things, but also has no WPA support. They also have no Live CD. Why they can make a Live DVD but not a Live CD is beyond me. Just shave off some crap. All I want to know is if your distro will support my machine or not.
Linux on the Desktop? Not if the user has a wireless card.
The last time I installed Fedora Core 4 off a boot CD I was amazed that to do an ftp install I still had to punch in manually what mirror I wanted to do the install from. Computer games have been grabbing "master server lists" for some time now. Can't something similar be worked into the FTP install?
One of the first and best online multiplayer game. It came out in 95/96 and still exists today under a new name.
I also remember having fun playing NetWar. But that died and went away forever.
He wants to take $80-120 billion a year out of the economy and create a new tax payer funded federal agency? This is a good idea?
Last time I checked software and computers weren't expensive at all, certainly not enough that it needs some hair brained solution like this. Talk about a solution in search of a problem... yeesh!