So the appropriate, mature response is to lower yourself to his level?>/i>
I'm sorry? At what point was I on his level? I am not a member of an estimed body of legal professionals, in this case the Florida Bar Association. I have not the benefit of what should be wisdom gained with age. I have not the funding nor the mass media power at my disposal as he does.
So forgive me if I write something on an f-ing t-shirt to make my point. I'd argue my point with Thompson himself but evidence shows I would be dismissed outright and probably subjected to barratry.
Yeah, too bad I have neither the financial means nor the legal education to sink to his level.
Ahh yes, the classic playground "He started it!" defense. Thanks for answering my question. With that kind of debating technique, prepare yourself for a lot of disappointments in the future.
"He started it" is a valid defence when "he " should have known better.
He is just like a high school bully who will one day get his nose broken by some fed up youth. Someone who the authorities should be curtailing before he causes more chaos in what is actually a valid and worthwhile debate.
Thompson sends an email to someone, they reply, and he returns with "Stop harassing me or I'm calling the cops"? Where did this guy get the impression anyone wanted his fucking opinion in the first place? If you don't want a dialogue, stay silent. If you don't want to finish a debate, don't start one.
If people wearing "I hate Jack Thompson" t-shirts are worried about people drawing the wrong conclusions, perhaps they should try to communicate their message in a less childish manner.
Have you read Thompson's "argument" with a 14 year old? He made the kid sound like Socrates, as someone else has said, by comparison.
The T-Shirt is a DIRECT RESPONSE to the miriad of presuppositions and baseless conclusions put forth by the individual in question. Someone who has furthermore gone on to capitalize on the media hype he creates in any way he can, so it would seem.
If we lived in the same community for years without any problems and I suddenly started railing against you and lambasting you in the media simply because one member of your bowling league shot someone, you'd have a bit of a problem with that wouldn't you?
The man has told so many people to check themselves into a mental institution that he should have been jailed for practicing psychiatry without a license by now. If you want to act like a child, fine. But don't be surprised when you are treated in kind.
Accusing without proof is childish. Calling people names is childish. Grandstanding and throwing tantrums is childish. Bullying with legal treats is childish. Ignorance is childish.
Wearing a shirt is just covering up.
Thompson has continuously acted first, and cries when he's called on his actions or arguments.
He won't even answer a simple direct question. That's seriously childish. But then again, thats also politics.
I hate the fact that his vitriol and assinine attacks getting him national attention on 60 Minutes.
I hate the fact that he is even allowed to get away with the very behaviors that he accuses others of simply be the fact that he's a lawyer. As such he should be help to HIGHER standards than those without professional legal training.
I hate that he uses his "position of power", his lawyership, to be a bully.
I hate his total inability to grasp reality and basic concepts like cause and effect.
I hate is blameshifting.
I hate his haircut.
And I LOATHE anyone making any preconceived conclusions about me without any personal knowledge of who I am or anything else, a practice entirely too common from corporations, politicians, and grandstanders these days.
In preparation for that eventuality my community has thoughtfully begun the process of teaching the use of aluminum baseball bats to any youth who wishes.
Furthermore, given the examples we've seem so far, he seems to get pretty worked up whenever he's brought to task. I can almost see the vein in his head twitching. No telling when something is going to burst. I would suggest that he be left alone simply to avoid the first/.ing of a human.
Fill the 3G and pour it into the empty 5G. Refill the 3G and pour into the 5G until full, this leaves 1 gallon in the 3G. Empty the 5G and pour the contents of the 3G (1 gallon) into the 5G. Now fill the 3G and pour completely into the 5G, making 4 gallons total in the 5G.
Agreed, but the point should be to provide parents with the tools they need (why is there no v-chip style management for game systems for instance? and is the one in tv's even used by anyone?) rather than to try to do what they are doing now. Give parents HELP, and education, not an excuse to fall back on when something goes wrong. One day I'll perhaps be facing these issues first hand, but just giving me a scapegoat would anger me, and I'd rather the time and tax dollars were spent in more constructive ways instead of further burdening the legal system, which seems to be caving in on itself.
Yeah the butterfly knife thing really weirded me out when I worked for a knife shop. Laws here are real funny on knives, only auto-openers are illegal. Everything else, officer's discretion.
For the most part I agree wholeheartedly, and it's refreshing to see measured intelligent dialog here.
I also have to give you props for rearing such a large brood. I have a brother and sister (both younger) and I remember what we put my folks thru so kudos are in order for still retaining your sanity and level-headedness.
I brought up D&D and RPGs in general because they hit on a very key point, that being the perception of potential "damage" or "harm" or however they want to label it this week. Perseption sems to be the key, not whether there is actual harm.
Helpful tip tho firstly, be very cautious about you kids and alcohol, check your local laws very carefully. We had a neighborhood woman who hosted a fully supervised graduation party with alcohol, notified the authorities and parents all in advance and everything was fine. Two years later, a similar and much smaller (like only a 1/2 dozen ppl) event supervised by another couple in the next county landed them in a heap of trouble (nosey neighbor called child services).
Anyway, my point I think is you differ greatly from most parents, in that you are INVOLVED with your children and are careful to play an active roll. Laws like these I think give the public a perception that they are removed from responsibility. And that someone else is to blame. And that is terribly bad.
I had a bank account since I was little, it was very much a great thing for me, especially going to the bank with my dad(lollypops!). And now there are even special accounts for kids in many banks which I think is a great thing especially since there is no financial education in schools. Why they are allowed credit cards is beyond me, since they can't legally enter contracts until 18.
I have more issues with the skewed punishment than the statute itself. I also wonder if employees too young to buy rated M games are able to sell them.
Laws are strange, around here, you can bartend and pour beer (only) at 18 but you need to be 21 to serve liquor.
Regulations are fine to a point but whats next? Fines for selling D&D to minors?
My personal, and unpopular, opinion? Kids shouldn't be able to buy stuff over a certain value (TBD) without an adult, and why do I even see kids with credit cards? Is that even legal???
No, my argument is that some parent let their kid walk around with $50+ to buy or try to buy whatever he wants without supervision. It's the parents job to govern their child.
Are you aware that the kid who couldn't buy GTA in my local mall can buy a butterfly knife no questions asked just a few feet away?
This is a telling statement:
selling M rated games to kids who are too young for them
Are you saying that someone OTHER than myself is going to determine what my kid might be too young for?
Incidently, a few of the kids who work at the local Gamestop are too young to buy M rated games, are they allowed to sell them?
Here's another:
don't care about children
Guess what? I don't care about your children, thats your responsibility. I could give a rat's ass about your children (at least no more than any other human), unless they happen to the one's that threw rocks at my elderly neighbor or pulled the downspout off my house, in which case we need to talk.
Sensibilities. Thats funny. Jimmy might be exposed to an idea! Jimmy can think up stuff hisself, and lemme tell you, nothing is stopping him from carrying it out if he really wants to. As a kid I was able to buy an axe, lighter fluid, matches, bug bombs, drain cleaner, etc, no questions asked. I'm thinking priorities are pretty misplaced. What's worse, supplying a potential idea, or the tools needed to carry it out?
For the simple reason that it is one more step toward government absolving responsibility from parents.
$12000? You have to be kidding me, how are restricted video games more dangerous than alcohol/tobacco or unrestricted poisonous chemicals(Drano for instance).
What if I employ someone who sells an age restricted game to a kid? Do you honestly think the lawsuit will stop with the guy who rung up the sale? I doubt it.
Whats the big deal anyway? When do they start fining news organizations? I've seen hundreds of broadcast acts of violence and even deaths on the news, no one's griping about them.
And why are kids running around with enough cash to buy this stuff in the first place?
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Dummy, a real "Satanist' would by definition need to believe in "God".
Remember that "Satan" would have needed to be "Intelligently Designed" by "God".
Dummy.
Aside from the fact that this was on PBS a few years ago, hence not exactly news, it was posted on fark an hour or so ago.
Are they even trying anymore?
So the appropriate, mature response is to lower yourself to his level?>/i>
I'm sorry? At what point was I on his level? I am not a member of an estimed body of legal professionals, in this case the Florida Bar Association. I have not the benefit of what should be wisdom gained with age. I have not the funding nor the mass media power at my disposal as he does.
So forgive me if I write something on an f-ing t-shirt to make my point. I'd argue my point with Thompson himself but evidence shows I would be dismissed outright and probably subjected to barratry.
Yeah, too bad I have neither the financial means nor the legal education to sink to his level.
Ahh yes, the classic playground "He started it!" defense. Thanks for answering my question. With that kind of debating technique, prepare yourself for a lot of disappointments in the future.
"He started it" is a valid defence when "he " should have known better.
He is just like a high school bully who will one day get his nose broken by some fed up youth. Someone who the authorities should be curtailing before he causes more chaos in what is actually a valid and worthwhile debate.
Thompson sends an email to someone, they reply, and he returns with "Stop harassing me or I'm calling the cops"? Where did this guy get the impression anyone wanted his fucking opinion in the first place? If you don't want a dialogue, stay silent. If you don't want to finish a debate, don't start one.
If people wearing "I hate Jack Thompson" t-shirts are worried about people drawing the wrong conclusions, perhaps they should try to communicate their message in a less childish manner.
Have you read Thompson's "argument" with a 14 year old? He made the kid sound like Socrates, as someone else has said, by comparison.
The T-Shirt is a DIRECT RESPONSE to the miriad of presuppositions and baseless conclusions put forth by the individual in question. Someone who has furthermore gone on to capitalize on the media hype he creates in any way he can, so it would seem.
If we lived in the same community for years without any problems and I suddenly started railing against you and lambasting you in the media simply because one member of your bowling league shot someone, you'd have a bit of a problem with that wouldn't you?
The man has told so many people to check themselves into a mental institution that he should have been jailed for practicing psychiatry without a license by now.
If you want to act like a child, fine. But don't be surprised when you are treated in kind.
Accusing without proof is childish. Calling people names is childish. Grandstanding and throwing tantrums is childish. Bullying with legal treats is childish. Ignorance is childish.
Wearing a shirt is just covering up.
Thompson has continuously acted first, and cries when he's called on his actions or arguments.
He won't even answer a simple direct question. That's seriously childish. But then again, thats also politics.
I hate the fool.
I hate the fact that his vitriol and assinine attacks getting him national attention on 60 Minutes.
I hate the fact that he is even allowed to get away with the very behaviors that he accuses others of simply be the fact that he's a lawyer. As such he should be help to HIGHER standards than those without professional legal training.
I hate that he uses his "position of power", his lawyership, to be a bully.
I hate his total inability to grasp reality and basic concepts like cause and effect.
I hate is blameshifting.
I hate his haircut.
And I LOATHE anyone making any preconceived conclusions about me without any personal knowledge of who I am or anything else, a practice entirely too common from corporations, politicians, and grandstanders these days.
It's a trap anyway. Make his game and he'd just sue over some IP violation.
In preparation for that eventuality my community has thoughtfully begun the process of teaching the use of aluminum baseball bats to any youth who wishes.
Furthermore, given the examples we've seem so far, he seems to get pretty worked up whenever he's brought to task. I can almost see the vein in his head twitching. No telling when something is going to burst. I would suggest that he be left alone simply to avoid the first /.ing of a human.
Jugs-
Fill the 3G and pour it into the empty 5G. Refill the 3G and pour into the 5G until full, this leaves 1 gallon in the 3G. Empty the 5G and pour the contents of the 3G (1 gallon) into the 5G. Now fill the 3G and pour completely into the 5G, making 4 gallons total in the 5G.
None, just keep the sprinkles on the side as an option.
Uh, because MIT has an Archemedes Death Ray?
I use opera and use Mike's Ad-blocking Host File (goole it I'm lazy) to get rid of the majority of ads. Works pretty well.
No, bloodless. All smotherings.
Ah yes, trillions of colors, very nice. How many can your eye see again?
More like this: http://www.yamatotoysusa.com/YUS%20Web/Page%20Elem ents/Ghost%20in%20the%20Shell/GitS%20Movie%20Versi on%20Minis/Product%20Images/YHK333284%20Tank.jpg
... when I can get a spider-tank a la Ghost in the Shell.
Didn't the market already decide digital music should be free?
Just sayin...
Since when?
Nothing like two sets of people fighting a legal battle over something neither one understands.
Agreed, but the point should be to provide parents with the tools they need (why is there no v-chip style management for game systems for instance? and is the one in tv's even used by anyone?) rather than to try to do what they are doing now. Give parents HELP, and education, not an excuse to fall back on when something goes wrong. One day I'll perhaps be facing these issues first hand, but just giving me a scapegoat would anger me, and I'd rather the time and tax dollars were spent in more constructive ways instead of further burdening the legal system, which seems to be caving in on itself.
Yeah the butterfly knife thing really weirded me out when I worked for a knife shop. Laws here are real funny on knives, only auto-openers are illegal. Everything else, officer's discretion.
For the most part I agree wholeheartedly, and it's refreshing to see measured intelligent dialog here.
I also have to give you props for rearing such a large brood. I have a brother and sister (both younger) and I remember what we put my folks thru so kudos are in order for still retaining your sanity and level-headedness.
I brought up D&D and RPGs in general because they hit on a very key point, that being the perception of potential "damage" or "harm" or however they want to label it this week. Perseption sems to be the key, not whether there is actual harm.
Helpful tip tho firstly, be very cautious about you kids and alcohol, check your local laws very carefully. We had a neighborhood woman who hosted a fully supervised graduation party with alcohol, notified the authorities and parents all in advance and everything was fine. Two years later, a similar and much smaller (like only a 1/2 dozen ppl) event supervised by another couple in the next county landed them in a heap of trouble (nosey neighbor called child services).
Anyway, my point I think is you differ greatly from most parents, in that you are INVOLVED with your children and are careful to play an active roll. Laws like these I think give the public a perception that they are removed from responsibility. And that someone else is to blame. And that is terribly bad.
I had a bank account since I was little, it was very much a great thing for me, especially going to the bank with my dad(lollypops!). And now there are even special accounts for kids in many banks which I think is a great thing especially since there is no financial education in schools. Why they are allowed credit cards is beyond me, since they can't legally enter contracts until 18.
Wow, well put. *tips hat*
I have more issues with the skewed punishment than the statute itself. I also wonder if employees too young to buy rated M games are able to sell them.
Laws are strange, around here, you can bartend and pour beer (only) at 18 but you need to be 21 to serve liquor.
Regulations are fine to a point but whats next? Fines for selling D&D to minors?
My personal, and unpopular, opinion? Kids shouldn't be able to buy stuff over a certain value (TBD) without an adult, and why do I even see kids with credit cards? Is that even legal???
No, my argument is that some parent let their kid walk around with $50+ to buy or try to buy whatever he wants without supervision. It's the parents job to govern their child.
Are you aware that the kid who couldn't buy GTA in my local mall can buy a butterfly knife no questions asked just a few feet away?
This is a telling statement:
selling M rated games to kids who are too young for them
Are you saying that someone OTHER than myself is going to determine what my kid might be too young for?
Incidently, a few of the kids who work at the local Gamestop are too young to buy M rated games, are they allowed to sell them?
Here's another:
don't care about children
Guess what? I don't care about your children, thats your responsibility. I could give a rat's ass about your children (at least no more than any other human), unless they happen to the one's that threw rocks at my elderly neighbor or pulled the downspout off my house, in which case we need to talk.
Neither is it logical that assuming someone with many children has a greater skill raising them than someone with one or 2 kids.
Many people simply lack common sense, some of them become the parents of several children.
You forgot the whole "caring aboout the kid" aspect of the issue.
Sensibilities. Thats funny. Jimmy might be exposed to an idea! Jimmy can think up stuff hisself, and lemme tell you, nothing is stopping him from carrying it out if he really wants to. As a kid I was able to buy an axe, lighter fluid, matches, bug bombs, drain cleaner, etc, no questions asked. I'm thinking priorities are pretty misplaced. What's worse, supplying a potential idea, or the tools needed to carry it out?
For the simple reason that it is one more step toward government absolving responsibility from parents.
$12000? You have to be kidding me, how are restricted video games more dangerous than alcohol/tobacco or unrestricted poisonous chemicals(Drano for instance).
What if I employ someone who sells an age restricted game to a kid? Do you honestly think the lawsuit will stop with the guy who rung up the sale? I doubt it.
Whats the big deal anyway? When do they start fining news organizations? I've seen hundreds of broadcast acts of violence and even deaths on the news, no one's griping about them.
And why are kids running around with enough cash to buy this stuff in the first place?