I'd defend myself, press charges, and sue the kid, his parents, AND the school system for creating a hostile work environment for stripping me by its policies of my right to defend myself.
When i was in school if there was a fight teachers broke it up, and if you hit a teacher they hauled your ass physically into the office and you had your dad showing up from work to get you, and he would usually tell the teacher that he'd be giving you the beating that the teacher wasn't allowed to.
Schools today are just like zoos for unruly brats.
My cousin's argument would be: So if I have a lunch period or free period I couldn't hop on the phone I'm paying for with my part time job to check my email or messages to see if I have to work that evening or watch my kid brother or not? When I'm not allowed to leave school grounds during those times, and not allowed access to lab PCs for non-class use, and there are no payphones and the office phone is for emergencies only.... Some of us high school kids have ADULT responsibilities you know. Kindly FUCK OFF.
His parent's response if you went the them about his actions: You heard the boy, now kindly fuck off. He's been accepted to MIT and Stanford, how's that liberal arts degree working out for you?
Especially when you consider that every classroom HAS a phone in it!
Where the hell are you that every classroom has a phone in it? I've done IT work in schools and my sister and cousin are teachers, none of us has ever seen a school with phones in every classroom.
So, your entire argument is that you use it to take notes that are so incomprehensible only yourself and one other human can read them? Great basis for a written language, my kid brother an I were doing that when we were 10-ish. I'm a systems engineer/disaster recovery specialist and I too take a lot of notes, which I print, so people can read them if they need to if I get hit by a bus on my lunch hour before the important stuff gets into the computerized documentation.
I can read "leet speak" upside down and in a mirror at the same speed I read a typed page. I have a hell of a time deciphering most people's cursive script. What exactly is your point?
Assuming of course those election results aren't manufactured evidence to point to Zelaya's corruption. I don't know anything about the government there, and even though it wouldnt surprise me that he is corrupt, I know enough about computers to never trust something like this as genuine just on the fact that it exists.
None of us here can judge one way or the other based on the news reports.
And yet that is EXACTLY what you are doing. YOU started the assumption that the police were correct in their conclusions, based on their superior future-predicting ability, based on little detail in the reporting. The only facts we have are less than 20 people, a BBQ grill, 4pm in the afternoon, a 'sound system' (incidentally I've routinely seen DJ level sound systems used at people's backyard family gatherings around here so I think this is a complete BS detail to use anyway, maybe this dude knew someone who could get him pro-level gear for his BBQ?), a field, and NO CHARGES FILED. So there was in fact no crime committed. OR even about to be committed because they were NO WHERE NEAR meeting the conditions (100+ people, rave music, etc). But that wasn't good enough to stop the tac unit it seems. I still have no idea why just sending someone around in a squad car to have a word was so out of the fucking question. Incidentally, what if you were planning an all night party with rave music and had PROOF that only 50 people would be there? What would the police do then?
So the police went over the top ape-shit and actually staged a helo-insertion raid that cost god knows how much to do when they didn't even have any crime to charge anyone with?
What, they didn't have a desk-jocky somewhere they could have told to drive out and ask about the BBQ?
Occam's law says they probably were setting up a rave.
First off, its Occam's Razor, and secondly, you are clearly unfamiliar with it. Occam's Razor states that "entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily" therefor based on Occam's Razor less than 20 people in a field with a BBQ grill at 4pm in the afternoon are having a BBQ.
That doesn't excuse what the police did after the fact. It should have taken at least a low grade moron to see that these people were having a BBQ.
IF they were just having a BBQ. Why do you assume they were having a BBQ and not setting up for a rave?
Why do you assume that they were setting up for a rave? And not just having a BBQ? Oh right, its England. Guilty until proven innocent. Hell YOU could be said to be setting up for a rave because you happen to be mowing the grass in a field you own based on that logic. You people should learn to be more careful in your presumptions before someone assumes that just because you have a computer and an internet connection you must be trafficing in child porn or up to something else as heinous.
Sorry, but it doesn't really (technically) work that way. When you buy the CD, you haven't bought any rights to anything. You've just bought the CD. According to copyright, you have no right to copy that CD. Fair use says that you can copy that CD, so long as it's copied in certain ways for for certain purposes.
So if I buy the CD and it is scratched, and I cannot get it replaced for cost of media from the maker, it is therefore a PRODUCT I am buying and I should be able to do with it as I wish, even if I want to duplicate the physical item itself. If it is NOT a product I am purchasing, but a license to the works on the physical media, then I should be able to get scratched disks replaced for the cost of media. The record companies need to pick one and live with it.
And what is it exactly that the tax on every recordable CD-R that goes to the recording industry getting me? And how do I get my money back from those jackasses for the literally thousands of CD-R's I've bought through the years that have never been used for music in any way, shape, or form.
This is yet again where I think the media company bastards need to build their own proprietary systems and keep their crap OFF the public internet. The simple fact is that the core design principle behind the internet, the free and easy transfer of information, is completely at odds with what big media wants.
They should go back to analogue or build their own system and stop piggy-backing off the work of others who build systems to facilitate the spread of information.
This is why most good programmers will stop contributing to the global community because there are those who will steal their work, pass it off as their own, never acknowledge or give credit, and then shamefully stick their head in the sand and ignore the consequences
Wish that the ethical definition of copyright violation were more important than the "definition" of theft as they are ethically the same.
Theft deprives the owner of the original, non-commercial copyright infringement is very much akin to YOU humming something and ME deciding to hum the same thing. Oh wait, did you pay for the privilege to hum something someone else created?
Wish that non commercial copyright had the same ethical weight as commercial copyright violations (it actually does but not here apparently)
You're one of those fuckers who wants to charge kids for singing "Happy Birthday" aren't you?
Wish that the straw man of "non-commercial copying has no measurable impact on the sale" would be seen as the smoke and mirrors that it is.
Commercial copyright infringement seeks to illicitly sell a product in direct competition to the authentic item, non-commercial DOESN'T.
I have GB's of music I would otherwise have not paid a dime for. Why you ask? Well let's see, a) I owned(licensed) it before on vinyl/tape/or scratched CD, b) I could have taped it from the radio/a friend, c) I only liked one track and $20 for an album for ONE SONG is robbery, d) its out of print and even if I beg the label they refuse to sell it to me, e)if you are going to assume I'm a thief, don't be surprised if I decide to fuck you over. REMEMBER, this was/is OUR world, if you want your bullshit music not to play by OUR rules, keep it OUT of OUR fucking world.
Wish that people would start taking responsibility for their actions and stop rationalizing their ethical lapses into a 'cause celebre'.
OK right there, that shit is what pisses me off the MOST. It is the heads of companies and the politicians who have been leading the charge into "not taking responsibility for our actions" for entirely too fucking long now. SO until I start seeing heads on fucking pikes for THOSE miserable, lying, scheming, corrupt, law-breaking FUCKERS, then AND ONLY THEN, does anyone get to start preaching to everyday people about ETHICS. Either lead by example or eat a fucking bullet.
Wish that the idiots that post these things had the cojones to use their own names and not hide behind "AC" like a sniveling little girl hiding behind her mothers skirts.
I wish things were like the old days and only a very few folks had Internet access so I wasn't always waist deep in poop-flinging imbeciles, guess we all can't get what we want.
Quick question, is either of these systems currently or in the future going to be connected to the outside world?
If so consider this, you have obsolete, out of support software running without anyone developing security patches for it anymore, which is storing client and financial info. The only thing protecting it is its own obsolecense. That is simply not acceptable.
If its an air-gapped network that will never touch the outside world run whatever you like.
My personal suggestion, virtualize the workstations on new hardware, easy to shift from hardware to hardware and maintain the obsolete software and if needed you could create seperate VMs if there is a need for external internet access.
Or if you like you could set up a server and use something like Wyse thin clients on the workstation end, those will probably last you 15 years hardware-wise. The server tho, hard to say.
Basically little to no commercial PC hardware is built to last 15 years.
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I'd defend myself, press charges, and sue the kid, his parents, AND the school system for creating a hostile work environment for stripping me by its policies of my right to defend myself.
When i was in school if there was a fight teachers broke it up, and if you hit a teacher they hauled your ass physically into the office and you had your dad showing up from work to get you, and he would usually tell the teacher that he'd be giving you the beating that the teacher wasn't allowed to.
Schools today are just like zoos for unruly brats.
My cousin's argument would be: So if I have a lunch period or free period I couldn't hop on the phone I'm paying for with my part time job to check my email or messages to see if I have to work that evening or watch my kid brother or not? When I'm not allowed to leave school grounds during those times, and not allowed access to lab PCs for non-class use, and there are no payphones and the office phone is for emergencies only.... Some of us high school kids have ADULT responsibilities you know. Kindly FUCK OFF.
His parent's response if you went the them about his actions: You heard the boy, now kindly fuck off. He's been accepted to MIT and Stanford, how's that liberal arts degree working out for you?
Especially when you consider that every classroom HAS a phone in it!
Where the hell are you that every classroom has a phone in it? I've done IT work in schools and my sister and cousin are teachers, none of us has ever seen a school with phones in every classroom.
So, your entire argument is that you use it to take notes that are so incomprehensible only yourself and one other human can read them? Great basis for a written language, my kid brother an I were doing that when we were 10-ish. I'm a systems engineer/disaster recovery specialist and I too take a lot of notes, which I print, so people can read them if they need to if I get hit by a bus on my lunch hour before the important stuff gets into the computerized documentation.
I can read "leet speak" upside down and in a mirror at the same speed I read a typed page. I have a hell of a time deciphering most people's cursive script. What exactly is your point?
I'm nearly 40 and haven't used cursive since high school. How is this a Gen Y thing again?
Assuming of course those election results aren't manufactured evidence to point to Zelaya's corruption. I don't know anything about the government there, and even though it wouldnt surprise me that he is corrupt, I know enough about computers to never trust something like this as genuine just on the fact that it exists.
None of us here can judge one way or the other based on the news reports.
And yet that is EXACTLY what you are doing. YOU started the assumption that the police were correct in their conclusions, based on their superior future-predicting ability, based on little detail in the reporting. The only facts we have are less than 20 people, a BBQ grill, 4pm in the afternoon, a 'sound system' (incidentally I've routinely seen DJ level sound systems used at people's backyard family gatherings around here so I think this is a complete BS detail to use anyway, maybe this dude knew someone who could get him pro-level gear for his BBQ?), a field, and NO CHARGES FILED. So there was in fact no crime committed. OR even about to be committed because they were NO WHERE NEAR meeting the conditions (100+ people, rave music, etc). But that wasn't good enough to stop the tac unit it seems. I still have no idea why just sending someone around in a squad car to have a word was so out of the fucking question. Incidentally, what if you were planning an all night party with rave music and had PROOF that only 50 people would be there? What would the police do then?
No one was arrested.
So the police went over the top ape-shit and actually staged a helo-insertion raid that cost god knows how much to do when they didn't even have any crime to charge anyone with?
What, they didn't have a desk-jocky somewhere they could have told to drive out and ask about the BBQ?
Occam's law says they probably were setting up a rave.
First off, its Occam's Razor, and secondly, you are clearly unfamiliar with it. Occam's Razor states that "entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily" therefor based on Occam's Razor less than 20 people in a field with a BBQ grill at 4pm in the afternoon are having a BBQ.
IF they were just having a BBQ. Why do you assume they were having a BBQ and not setting up for a rave?
Why do you assume that they were setting up for a rave? And not just having a BBQ? Oh right, its England. Guilty until proven innocent. Hell YOU could be said to be setting up for a rave because you happen to be mowing the grass in a field you own based on that logic. You people should learn to be more careful in your presumptions before someone assumes that just because you have a computer and an internet connection you must be trafficing in child porn or up to something else as heinous.
We live in a country who's military funded by the federal government "protects" other countries.
If my house is on fire, the fire is managed by a fire department funded by my municipal government
Law enforcement is provided by a police or sheriff's department funded by my city or county government
I drive to work on roads whose maintenance are funded by my county or state government
I was educated at public schools funded by my county and state government
Fixed that for you.
Idiot. All those things are funded by YOUR TAXES. You think "the government" has like a night-stocking job at Wal-mart to earn the cash it spends?
Maybe its just one stop on a trip that goes out of country?
Film at 11.
Don't you mean "Streaming digital video at 11"?
Or "Streaming digital video when you have some free time to watch it".
No you mean... buffering... buffering... buffering... buffering...
Tell me again when we are going to get anywhere near the bandwidth of the rest of the civilized world?
Sorry, but it doesn't really (technically) work that way. When you buy the CD, you haven't bought any rights to anything. You've just bought the CD. According to copyright, you have no right to copy that CD. Fair use says that you can copy that CD, so long as it's copied in certain ways for for certain purposes.
So if I buy the CD and it is scratched, and I cannot get it replaced for cost of media from the maker, it is therefore a PRODUCT I am buying and I should be able to do with it as I wish, even if I want to duplicate the physical item itself. If it is NOT a product I am purchasing, but a license to the works on the physical media, then I should be able to get scratched disks replaced for the cost of media. The record companies need to pick one and live with it.
And what is it exactly that the tax on every recordable CD-R that goes to the recording industry getting me? And how do I get my money back from those jackasses for the literally thousands of CD-R's I've bought through the years that have never been used for music in any way, shape, or form.
This is yet again where I think the media company bastards need to build their own proprietary systems and keep their crap OFF the public internet. The simple fact is that the core design principle behind the internet, the free and easy transfer of information, is completely at odds with what big media wants.
They should go back to analogue or build their own system and stop piggy-backing off the work of others who build systems to facilitate the spread of information.
Commit plagiarism and you'd best start looking for a new career.
Didn't Joe "I 3 the media companies" Biden have a big problem with commiting plagerism?
I think your presumption is tenuous at best.
This is why most good programmers will stop contributing to the global community because there are those who will steal their work, pass it off as their own, never acknowledge or give credit, and then shamefully stick their head in the sand and ignore the consequences
It's not stealing, it's a copyright violation :P
It's $80,000,at least, one would imagine.
Personally I:
Wish that the ethical definition of copyright violation were more important than the "definition" of theft as they are ethically the same.
Theft deprives the owner of the original, non-commercial copyright infringement is very much akin to YOU humming something and ME deciding to hum the same thing. Oh wait, did you pay for the privilege to hum something someone else created?
Wish that non commercial copyright had the same ethical weight as commercial copyright violations (it actually does but not here apparently)
You're one of those fuckers who wants to charge kids for singing "Happy Birthday" aren't you?
Wish that the straw man of "non-commercial copying has no measurable impact on the sale" would be seen as the smoke and mirrors that it is.
Commercial copyright infringement seeks to illicitly sell a product in direct competition to the authentic item, non-commercial DOESN'T.
I have GB's of music I would otherwise have not paid a dime for. Why you ask? Well let's see, a) I owned(licensed) it before on vinyl/tape/or scratched CD, b) I could have taped it from the radio/a friend, c) I only liked one track and $20 for an album for ONE SONG is robbery, d) its out of print and even if I beg the label they refuse to sell it to me, e)if you are going to assume I'm a thief, don't be surprised if I decide to fuck you over. REMEMBER, this was/is OUR world, if you want your bullshit music not to play by OUR rules, keep it OUT of OUR fucking world.
Wish that people would start taking responsibility for their actions and stop rationalizing their ethical lapses into a 'cause celebre'.
OK right there, that shit is what pisses me off the MOST. It is the heads of companies and the politicians who have been leading the charge into "not taking responsibility for our actions" for entirely too fucking long now. SO until I start seeing heads on fucking pikes for THOSE miserable, lying, scheming, corrupt, law-breaking FUCKERS, then AND ONLY THEN, does anyone get to start preaching to everyday people about ETHICS. Either lead by example or eat a fucking bullet.
Wish that the idiots that post these things had the cojones to use their own names and not hide behind "AC" like a sniveling little girl hiding behind her mothers skirts.
I wish things were like the old days and only a very few folks had Internet access so I wasn't always waist deep in poop-flinging imbeciles, guess we all can't get what we want.
How about "Hey, you can't park that thing here!"
Are they gonna tax businesses who keep their employees confined to chairs in a cubicle for 8 hours a day?
I have a damn near photographic memory as well as extremely good drawing skills.
COME AND FUCKING GET ME.
Also, I'm fairly certain I could get the specs and info on pretty much any ATM or armored car in a matter of days without too much effort.
And I've seen the interior of an armored car on the damn news for christ's sake.
You really are a piece of work aren't you.
So when/if I find such a device on my car it belongs to me doesn't it? And I'm not giving it back. And I'm not paying any bill they send me.
NOW? Did you miss it a few weeks back when it basically shut down 4 British hospitals?
Swine flu is a horrible name.
I'm going to call it "bacon lung".
Everything's better with bacon.
Is it? A bicycle won't balance itself.
Quick question, is either of these systems currently or in the future going to be connected to the outside world?
If so consider this, you have obsolete, out of support software running without anyone developing security patches for it anymore, which is storing client and financial info. The only thing protecting it is its own obsolecense. That is simply not acceptable.
If its an air-gapped network that will never touch the outside world run whatever you like.
My personal suggestion, virtualize the workstations on new hardware, easy to shift from hardware to hardware and maintain the obsolete software and if needed you could create seperate VMs if there is a need for external internet access.
Or if you like you could set up a server and use something like Wyse thin clients on the workstation end, those will probably last you 15 years hardware-wise. The server tho, hard to say.
Basically little to no commercial PC hardware is built to last 15 years.