Whatever floats your boat. Personally I like to be able to use one program to view everything. I also like my viewer to be opensource (I would also like opensource codecs).
I was trying to stay out of philosophy, but here you go:
If you could go back in time and stop all slavery (right back to the egyption and before) but it caused the human race to die out (contrived I know, but what the hell) would you do it?
What comes first, rights of a person or rights of a society. Can you justify slavery on the basis of saving the whole society and making life better for the generations afterwards?
I am of course, just being difficult. I look evil trying to setup situations to justify slavery.
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http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/actthree. mo v
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/tag.mov
And btw mplayer can play these if you have compiled it right and have the proper codecs. Which also means that you can reencode them to something else.
I wasn't setting up a strawman argument, nor was I justifying slavery.
You were talking about how at different times society needs to act differently. Taking the bible for an example. Imagine you need to control your population - one that is very superstitous, fearful, in very bad conditions, some hungry etc. One way you might try to deal with this is to try to control with fear - hence the Old Testament. But as your society develops you no longer need such a strong tone, and you need to adapt and appeal to people's morrals, etc. Hence the New Testament. You basically agreed with this (or am I agreeing with you) in your reply, but at some point we seem to have lost track what exactly we are arguing.
My argument is simply that at different times in society we need different ways of treating people.
We have no need for slavery at the moment - there is plenty of food etc to go around. But you can certaintly imagine a situation at another time where the people in charge feel it is necessary - for example if resources are _very_ tight, and a lot of manual labour is needed which you can't pay for and not enough people would do voluntarily. As for my point of bringing in slavery - well it seemed controversial and evil enough issue to throw and say it may be needed at certain times to ensure a good reply - which it did:)
Similiar arguments have been made about slaves in the Egyption times all the way to the black slaves. Skewing off a bit, this sort of thing is why you also have two very different testaments in the bible.
But if you weren't too smart you could lose the money a lot faster. Hmm, although this is probably a factor of being educated as much as smartness. (I wouldn't have a clue how to properly look after large amounts of money)
It is indeed a very interesting subject - one of which you have barely scraped the surface.
My dad was a postman, and he used to tell me that almost all the junk mail that was delivered was delivered to the poorest estates. For it was the poorest of the council estates that were buying new TV's, new sofas etc.
I've noticed this over and over again - lower class people mismanaging money, owning huge tv's, expensive sofas etc. The (few) middle class people I knew either didn't have a tv or had a really cheap one. (Although they did take expensive holidays etc.) Expensive cars seem to fit into both categories.
Why does it seem that lower class people are more prone to consumerism? I don't know - perhaps a mixture of no education, depression (just don't care anymore), environment, etc.
Btw, has anyone heard of any studies of comparision of intelligence between upper, middle, and lower class? (I'm aware of the lack of clear divides etc)
p.s. - I'm very much in the lower (or is it 'working' class), so don't take this as arrogance.
"I own a cell phone and know damn well that I'd better use it while I'm not driving" Wow - okay okay, you can use your phone while not driving. Will you use it while you are driving tho?
Actually hacking home users is a good place for a newbie-hacker (or script-kiddie or whatever) to learn. Much less chance of being caught, and if you screw up you can just wipe the machine since most likely there aren't backup logs.
I don't see why - just cache the operations. Assuming the pictures don't change much, then all that is needed is to compare the date of the thumbnail and picture.
Basically we are saying the same thing tho - just that perhaps we can have the pogram that does the thumbnailing on the server rather than as a seperate program for sake of consistency and neatness.
Heh - I'm just imaging your post on paper instead then. "We can barely make out the words.. just something out a strange sense of foreboding... and that Soviet Russia is a Profit center of our world"
If there's noone there to feel it, did it happen? (of course you'd have to never go back to that area so you can never tell from evidence of falling buildings etc)
Dealing with the machine code bit first - most likely surely you will be most likely converting machine code into asm, then converting the asm, then converting back into machine code - which was my reasoning behind talking about asm rather than machine code.
Anyway... I agree mostly with what you say, but not sure it would be particulary slow in the majority of cases to morph code. You are no doubt familiar with the 80/20 rule - 80% of the time you are running 20% of the code. Doing an expensive conversion (in terms of time) is worth it because it will pay back many fold (assuming you cache and rerun that chunk of code).
As for the whole wider busses etc, I agree it can get very very ugly, and you are most likely right in such cases.
I'm a bit drunk right now. I'll reread the whole discussion in the morning:)
so what's the point in calling creation god? It's like when people say god is love.
If you are using the word God to mean creation, then who created that god in the first place, or if that doesn't quite make sense, what prompted the creation to take place? Why doesn't a piece of cake just create itself in front of me?
Where did the universe come from? God. Where did God come from? er, he just always existed. So why couldn't the universe have just always existed? er..
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Whatever floats your boat.
Personally I like to be able to use one program to view everything. I also like my viewer to be opensource (I would also like opensource codecs).
I was trying to stay out of philosophy, but here you go:
If you could go back in time and stop all slavery (right back to the egyption and before) but it caused the human race to die out (contrived I know, but what the hell) would you do it?
What comes first, rights of a person or rights of a society. Can you justify slavery on the basis of saving the whole society and making life better for the generations afterwards?
I am of course, just being difficult. I look evil trying to setup situations to justify slavery.
Agreed.
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The url's for the mov files are:
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/teaser.m
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/actone.m
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/acttwo.m
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/actthree
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/tag.mov
And btw mplayer can play these if you have compiled it right and have the proper codecs. Which also means that you can reencode them to something else.
I wasn't setting up a strawman argument, nor was I justifying slavery.
:)
You were talking about how at different times society needs to act differently. Taking the bible for an example. Imagine you need to control your population - one that is very superstitous, fearful, in very bad conditions, some hungry etc. One way you might try to deal with this is to try to control with fear - hence the Old Testament.
But as your society develops you no longer need such a strong tone, and you need to adapt and appeal to people's morrals, etc. Hence the New Testament. You basically agreed with this (or am I agreeing with you) in your reply, but at some point we seem to have lost track what exactly we are arguing.
My argument is simply that at different times in society we need different ways of treating people.
We have no need for slavery at the moment - there is plenty of food etc to go around. But you can certaintly imagine a situation at another time where the people in charge feel it is necessary - for example if resources are _very_ tight, and a lot of manual labour is needed which you can't pay for and not enough people would do voluntarily.
As for my point of bringing in slavery - well it seemed controversial and evil enough issue to throw and say it may be needed at certain times to ensure a good reply - which it did
My own personal security IS enhanced by ...enforcers watching YOUR every move. It decreases the number of people that might kill me by one.
Your posts always catch my eye because of your sig and that you do indeed always make spelling mistakes, even in one liners.
Similiar arguments have been made about slaves in the Egyption times all the way to the black slaves.
Skewing off a bit, this sort of thing is why you also have two very different testaments in the bible.
She thinks you're a redhat user?
But if you weren't too smart you could lose the money a lot faster. Hmm, although this is probably a factor of being educated as much as smartness. (I wouldn't have a clue how to properly look after large amounts of money)
I'd like something more than guessing when you say that there is a correlation :)
It is indeed a very interesting subject - one of which you have barely scraped the surface.
My dad was a postman, and he used to tell me that almost all the junk mail that was delivered was delivered to the poorest estates. For it was the poorest of the council estates that were buying new TV's, new sofas etc.
I've noticed this over and over again - lower class people mismanaging money, owning huge tv's, expensive sofas etc. The (few) middle class people I knew either didn't have a tv or had a really cheap one. (Although they did take expensive holidays etc.) Expensive cars seem to fit into both categories.
Why does it seem that lower class people are more prone to consumerism? I don't know - perhaps a mixture of no education, depression (just don't care anymore), environment, etc.
Btw, has anyone heard of any studies of comparision of intelligence between upper, middle, and lower class? (I'm aware of the lack of clear divides etc)
p.s. - I'm very much in the lower (or is it 'working' class), so don't take this as arrogance.
"I own a cell phone and know damn well that I'd better use it while I'm not driving"
Wow - okay okay, you can use your phone while not driving. Will you use it while you are driving tho?
Actually hacking home users is a good place for a newbie-hacker (or script-kiddie or whatever) to learn. Much less chance of being caught, and if you screw up you can just wipe the machine since most likely there aren't backup logs.
Ah. Thanks
Out of interest, if they all ready had the trademark for "Microsoft", what would be the point in getting another trademark for "Microsoft Windows"?
You don't know any damage has been done at all if you never go back and check.
I don't see why - just cache the operations. Assuming the pictures don't change much, then all that is needed is to compare the date of the thumbnail and picture.
Basically we are saying the same thing tho - just that perhaps we can have the pogram that does the thumbnailing on the server rather than as a seperate program for sake of consistency and neatness.
Heh - I'm just imaging your post on paper instead then. "We can barely make out the words.. just something out a strange sense of foreboding ... and that Soviet Russia is a Profit center of our world"
If there's noone there to feel it, did it happen?
(of course you'd have to never go back to that area so you can never tell from evidence of falling buildings etc)
Dealing with the machine code bit first - most likely surely you will be most likely converting machine code into asm, then converting the asm, then converting back into machine code - which was my reasoning behind talking about asm rather than machine code.
:)
Anyway... I agree mostly with what you say, but not sure it would be particulary slow in the majority of cases to morph code. You are no doubt familiar with the 80/20 rule - 80% of the time you are running 20% of the code. Doing an expensive conversion (in terms of time) is worth it because it will pay back many fold (assuming you cache and rerun that chunk of code).
As for the whole wider busses etc, I agree it can get very very ugly, and you are most likely right in such cases.
I'm a bit drunk right now. I'll reread the whole discussion in the morning
But our only example of this non-physical system is some thing that we created for the sole purpose of creating the physical system. riiiight
so what's the point in calling creation god? It's like when people say god is love.
If you are using the word God to mean creation, then who created that god in the first place, or if that doesn't quite make sense, what prompted the creation to take place? Why doesn't a piece of cake just create itself in front of me?
god created god?
I still don't get. God created the universe, and that creation made God?
Well what started that off then?
I don't get even that need for god.
Where did the universe come from? God.
Where did God come from? er, he just always existed.
So why couldn't the universe have just always existed? er..