Microsoft Reader Format Cracked

Anonymous Coward writes "Pocket PC Addict has a cool story about how some guy named Dan Jackson is distributing an unfortunately named program that will remove the security from Microsoft Reader ebooks. Once the security is removed, it then allows the book to be converted to html, text or any other format."

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[djward]

Sounds like Skylarov all over again...

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah... but this software is produced by a foreign national in his own country (UK) so US law couldn't possibly apply... just like Skylarov, ohh!

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[Anonymous Coward]

The only difference being that Skylarov wasn't as blatant with his utilities. Skylarov was in the business of breaking encryption and so on. This guy magically came across some source code, and is releasing it.

I'm all for the guy doing this. Love the whole free information deal.

But this guy is a Darwin Award waiting to happen, for sure.

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[ComaVN]

But this guy is a Darwin Award waiting to happen, for sure.

I doubt they'll kill or castrate him.
Then again, it might be hard to get someone pregnant in prison.

Damn, did I actually say that out loud?

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[giel]

It sure does.

It seems that this software can be used to copy or extract secured data. Which might or could be a little somewhat illegal. But hey, you can use a computer to crack software... So I guess they should lock me up because I own a computer.

There is something I do not understand: if a vast majority of the public believes it is OK to copy software or electronic content, how can it be there exist laws to prohibit copying? I mean most of us live in democratic countries, don't we?

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[Mac Degger]

Ah, but we live in a truly free county, where pot is legal-ish on the grounds that it's not a harmfull substance. Not all governments have that kind of common sence.
Hell, on grounds of copyright, patent law and the odd belief that we should be able to do what we want with something when we've bought it (unless it happens to kill the neighbour or his cat), I think there's not a country on earth which has laws which enforce what the mayority thinks is right...wlecome to the real world, where justice is only blind to the laws being bought.

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[Huge Pi Removal]

There is something I do not understand: if a vast majority of the public believes it is OK to copy software or electronic content, how can it be there exist laws to prohibit copying? I mean most of us live in democratic countries, don't we?

If absolutely every law was put to referendum, we'd essentially have mob rule. What "the majority" want and what's actually *good* for us/the country are not always the same thing. If it were, all you'd have to do in the UK is point at someone, shout "paedophile," and it would be legal to string them up from the nearest lamppost.

The problem with the DMCA, etc, etc, is that it tries to solve a problem by brute force. A bit like trying to bomb other countries to get them to do what you want *ahem* :) In the UK, drink-driving laws were doing very little until, over several years of solid campaigning, drink-driving was made totally socially unacceptable, and the problem is now under control. Similarly, the problem with, say, CD copy-protection is that because the RIAA and the record industry as a whole are seen as being rich and nasty, people don't care about copying CDs to give to their friends or share over the internet. Hence, copy-protection is introduced, along with laws to stop you circumventing it, which stops *any* fair use at all.

The problem is not that the majority want it but it's not happening. The problem is that there's nothing in place in corporate America (or most anywhere else) that makes people have a social conscience over screwing the companies (and hence, indirectly, those who depend on the companies' profits) around. Now there's a whole other debate about how we can change that, which I'm not going to get into here because I think 10 other people are going to do it further down...

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[Anonymous Coward]

Damn, did I actually say that out loud?

No.

What, are you halucinating or something?

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[pyrote]

not for lack of trying....
he better decrypt the soap-on-a-rope order forms quick.

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[Sparr0]

live in a democracy? not me, I live in a republic (USA)

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[Alan Partridge]

yeah! there's no way on Earth that the British authorities will roll over when the FBI throws them a biscuit! I mean, we stood our ground on missile defence, didn't we?

Didn't we?

Oh.

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[Antity]

but this software is produced by a foreign national in his own country (UK)

I'm not sure about that. Although he claims to have (re)written parts of the code,

• His page is only about this very program AND
• He writes:

  One of the people I met while MUD'ing suggested that since I live in the UK, I could act as an agent for programmers who wish to remain anonymous but still want to release their software. I thought this would be a good idea and so this website came into existence...

IMHO this program originated in the US, was exported to the UK, changed, and (re)published.

P.S.: Of what .ZIP on the web do you want to make a backup copy today? ;-)

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[Sciamachy]

Democracy comes from two Greek root words, Demos, the people, and kratein, to rule or be strong. The idea is, the majority decide what goes. Is this actually any different from "mob rule"? Or is "mob rule" an idea put about by those in power who have a vested interest in seeing that the people do not in fact rule?

The Athenian democratic system allowed all citizens to vote on all laws - granted, their cities were smaller then & their definition of a citizen was basically a free, able-bodied male who would fight for the city if it was attacked, but these days we have the technology to enable the much larger numbers of citizens in our cities to all vote. Remember also that the ability to vote doesn't neccessarily mean the voter will vote either - they'll tend to vote only on matters that concern them directly, much as US Senators and UK MPs do now, but at least then we'd have proper democracy - rule of the people by the people, instead of rule/(mis)representation of the people by a privileged minority.

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[phutureboy]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb, voting on what to have for lunch.

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[avdp]

Which is democratic.
Just like Belgium (my native country, I live in the US) is a "Constitutional Monarchy" and is nevertheless democratic.

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[GalionTheElf]

What the greeks had can hardly be compared to what we have, our situation is very different to theirs.

They didn't have tabloid media getting people in to a frenzy over, for example, paedophiles, where it even goes so far that people go and attack a paediatrician. This could happen with (almost) anything the red-tops decide to sink their teeth in to.

It is true that what people want doesn't always equal what's good for the nation as a whole (and in the long-term individual citizens as well). If people were able to vote in anything they wanted, we'd have zero taxes and free money, but it wouldn't really work well for very long, or I at least wouldn't want to try.

It is also true that the current system is not functioning as it should, it is still functioning and does a pretty good job of it and it's pretty much the best we have.

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[Anonymous Coward]

their definition of a citizen was basically a free, able-bodied male who would fight for the city if it was attacked

Actually, all you had to do was own land to be able to vote. Didn't matter if you were a woman, african, or asian. Obviously most of the land was owned by the men, but the rules are certainly better than "You can only vote if you're the right gender and race."

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[Anonymous Coward]

As opposed to corporate rule, which is one wolf and a flock of lambs, with only the wolf deciding what's for lunch.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Remember, the United States is not a democracy, its a republic. There is a very big difference.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Only in Civilization.

It's damn near impossible to wage war with a democracy. Particularly when you don't have the Women Suffrage Wonder.

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[weslocke]

Actually if you look into it, the American 'Democratic' model has very little resemblence to that of Athenian government. We're most directly taken from the Roman Republic, which has very little into the way of 'Mob Rule.' (Well, there were those odd tmies, but those don't really count)

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[mcwetboy]

Okay, somebody's been playing too much Civ.

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[dukerobillard]

Democracy ...is, the majority decide what goes. Is this actually any different from "mob rule"?

It isn't, which is why no modern western country has a government that should technically be called a "democracy." That's why they're all "representative democracies" with constitutions and strong legal systems.

It's very easy to get the mob to do stupid things, like elect the Nazis. I'm against pure democracy.

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[jez9999]

That's why MY civilization never 'advances' beyond a monarchy :-)

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[Enzondio]

Ostensibly.

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[sql*kitten]

but these days we have the technology to enable the much larger numbers of citizens in our cities to all vote. Remember also that the ability to vote doesn't neccessarily mean the voter will vote either - they'll tend to vote only on matters that concern them directly, much as US Senators and UK MPs do now, but at least then we'd have proper democracy - rule of the people by the people, instead of rule/(mis)representation of the people by a privileged minority.

Ah, but the Athenians could assume that everyone with a vote fully understood the issues and we can't make anything like that assumption today. For example, most people vote the way their parents did, who vote the way their parents did. That's why in Britain we see people who still proclaim their undying hatred for Margaret Thatcher voting for her political and intellectual heir Tony Blair, and people who loved Thatcher voting against him. Also, voting was mandatory in Athens - neglecting to vote was punishable by whipping with ropes.

Consider also the redistributive nature of the tax system. There is a sizeable fraction of the population who will vote for any politician promising largesse, because those voters know that they will never have to pay for it themselves. You cannot maintain a democracy if the balance of power lies in the hands of people who don't care what the government costs!

Democracy lasts until 51% of the population realize that they can legally enslave the other 49%, and politicians realize they can bribe the voters with the taxpayer's money, since the two groups don't completely overlap - there are plenty of nominal taxpayers who are actually net recipents of public money.

Rule by priveleged minority works well if (and only if) the interests of the elite and the interests of the nation are aligned. The elite enjoy their position and the proles benefit from the services of an informed and capable elite. The present system of letting anyone regardless of their knowledge or experience have the same say is dangerously unstable.

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[Anonymous Coward]

his homepage
download page for gui

follow the discussion in:
alt.binaries.e-book
alt.binaries.e-book.d
alt.binaries.warez.pocketpc.lit

some have claimed that the macro posted here broke lit a long time ago, not so. It only worked on unprotected lits (if copy/paste was disabled in the reader, it wouldn't work.

This is better in the sense that it will work with secure lits that have copy disabled. Also it retains all formatting (exporting to html) while the previous script could only capture text (and poorly at that)

The one major limitation is that you must be able to view the lit on your computer. If your copy of ms reader can't open the file, neither can this program

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[Anonymous Coward]

I usually go with Communism when I can. Sure, you take a productivity penalty, but martial law, freedom of military action and elimination of corruption more than make up for that IMO.

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[Sciamachy]

Surely though in this age of education for all, where there are publicly funded schools, cheaply available newspapers and 24 hour news coverage, with freedom of the press & of speech, there's more reason than ever to assume everyone voting has at least adequate means of understanding the issues. If they don't that's down to their own laziness in not bothering to find out rather than anything else. The assumption that all voting Athenians neccessarily knew & understood the issues on everything that was voted upon is something of a shaky one at best.

The danger that 51% of a voting populace can enslave the other 49% is not eradicated by confining the power to a smaller group - if the Labour party has 51% of the seats in parliament compared to the rest having 49% they can do pretty well anything they want. The Lords can only reject a bill so many times before it can be forced through by the Commons. And just because a person has a full-time job as an MP doesn't preclude them from spending much of their time elsewhere, and does not make them an expert on everything that parliament votes upon. Check out the RIPA for a start, or the dreadful Criminal Justice Act the Tories passed in the mid-90's with its infringements of civil liberties. Parliament has bungled so many times, they cannot truly be regarded as experts in rule. What, then, is the value in handing the controls over your life to a group of people who will only ask your opinion on things every few years, and whose interests rarely coincide with yours? Surely that's as unstable as running things yourself directly?

"If you want a job done properly..." :-)

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[oliverthered]

Government is a cartell, trying to work out how much they can screw you over without being overturned.

at the moment there walking a fine line between screwing over the corporations and turning into a corporate state, running a protection racket only works when your calling the shots.

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[sporty]

You know, it'd bring up an interesting idea.

Get a spam list of people, yes, spam. Bad word. 4 letter one at that. Find an open relay. Spam a few people with it. Don't be surprised when you see it circulating.

Distribute it via a virus in MS Windows.

Yes, two wrongs don't make a right, but imagine all the various outcomes.

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[sql*kitten]

Surely though in this age of education for all, where there are publicly funded schools, cheaply available newspapers and 24 hour news coverage, with freedom of the press & of speech, there's more reason than ever to assume everyone voting has at least adequate means of understanding the issues.

I'm not so sure. Anyone who makes a habit of reading the Guardian has pretty much abandoned any claim they might have had on independent, rational thought - but fortunately, so has anyone who makes a habit of reading the Daily Mail, and the two groups should hopefully cancel each other out. But two equal and opposite groups of idiots don't equal one larger group of sensible decision-makers.

Parliament has bungled so many times, they cannot truly be regarded as experts in rule. What, then, is the value in handing the controls over your life to a group of people who will only ask your opinion on things every few years, and whose interests rarely coincide with yours? Surely that's as unstable as running things yourself directly?

I'm basically a libertarian, with a bit of plutocrat and a bit of timocrat. My basic political belief is in the absolute minimum of government, and that decisions about spending public money should be made by the people who paid the money, not those who receive it. I consider New Labour, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems to be no different from one another - they differ only on the details, all three are about government controlling every aspect of a citizen's life, supported by heavy taxation.

There need to be hard limits on what a government can and cannot regulate, but as we have seen in the US, a Constitution isn't all that it's cracked up to be. The British House of Lords is a good thing, IMHO, because those people plan in terms of their grandchildren, not in terms of the next election. Anyone desiring to become a professional politican has automatically disqualified themselves.

What we really need are a small group of civil servants to administer the country, but with no direct political power, and the political power to rest in the hands of people who are already accomplished in their own professions, and who can only serve one term. Perhaps politicians should be randomly chosen from a pool of people who have taken courses in history, economics, etc. The current system, i.e. "I'm voting the way I've always done" or "I'll vote for that Tony Blair, he's got a nice smile" is fundamentally broken, and will collapse under its own weight if it isn't destroyed by the libertarian-plutocrats beforehand.

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[ComaVN]

AFAIR, corruption isn't eliminated under Communism, but averaged over all cities, so it is more manageble. Democracy eliminated corruption.

btw. once you are at war as a democracy or republic, just don't speak with their diplomats, because otherwise you'll be forced to sign a peace treaty with them.

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[Planesdragon]

Is this actually any different from "mob rule"? Or is "mob rule" an idea put about by those in power who have a vested interest in seeing that the people do not in fact rule?

You should look into the history of the American Revolution, the formation of the American Constituion, and the causes of the American Civil War.

Athens set a precedent that Democracies eventually kill themselves. Thus, the Americans made checks against a "tyranny of the majority" in the form of the disproportionate Senate, the Presidental Office, and the nonelected Supreme Court. The Republican Democracy that was created clearly relies on the power of the people to choose their leaders, while giving form for easy transitions of power and assurance that those in power can exercise it without immediate mob veto.

Remember also that the ability to vote doesn't neccessarily mean the voter will vote either - they'll tend to vote only on matters that concern them directly, much as US Senators and UK MPs do now, but at least then we'd have proper democracy - rule of the people by the people, instead of rule/(mis)representation of the people by a privileged minority.

If we did that, we'd be even worse off than we our now. Think about how scattered the legislature is with just a small fraction of the population directly involved. Once you get above the town level, direct democracy would lead to a ludicrous pork-barrel government that would buckle inside of a hundred years.

If you think that you're misrepresented, find some others who think like you do, agree on what you want changed, and organize to change it. If you're not just being anal, it's likely that either you or your issue will be picked up and get fairly decided one way or the other.

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[FearUncertaintyDoubt]

The Athenian democratic system allowed all citizens to vote on all laws - granted, their cities were smaller then & their definition of a citizen was basically a free, able-bodied male who would fight for the city if it was attacked

And, if IIRC, Athens at its height was a city of 25,000 citizens and 250,000 slaves. Now there's democracy at work!

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[bataras]

Tyranny of the majority.

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[Kragg]

Who said anything about biscuits?

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[Anonymous Coward]

IMHO this program originated in the US, was exported to the UK, changed, and (re)published.

Correct, except for the "changed" part. It's the same old US version that was posted on an anonymous server first.

This is going to end like the DeCSS debacle: the real author is going to remain anonymous, and the unlucky bastard who hoped to become famous by putting it on his website is going to be dragged though the mud (or sued for "writing" it).

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[Aapje]

There are many different possible forms of democracy. A direct vote on all decisions (mob rule) is only one of them. I believe that our laws should represent a long term average of our opinions. This principle has become so ingrained into our modern democracies that most of us see a constitution as the basis of a democracy (while it is a limit on our representatives' power).

As for the wolves and the lamb*, I also believe that the optimal democracy is not a 'winner takes all'-system, but a Poldermodel (decisions are made with as much support as possible). Today you may accept a small deviation from your standpoint (a small loss for you and a big gain for someone else) and tomorrow (or in four years) it's the other way around. While this is difficult to achieve, the optimal outcome can only be achieved if the majority takes the needs of the minority into account.

*Not what you said, but I'll reply to two posts at once ;)

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[Anonymous Coward]

yeah, but

"American Democracy is asking for a cup of coffee and getting to choose between Coke or Pepsi."

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[Huge Pi Removal]

Thanks, you've just said everything I would have said in reply to that comment. Everyone browsing at +2... read the parent.

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[jazman_777]

Government is a cartell, trying to work out how much they can screw you over without being overturned.

Government is a "legal" monopoly on violence in a geographical area. If we all didn't simply accept it's existence on blind faith, we'd see it as the mafia-like protection racket that it is.

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[Huge Pi Removal]

Hey, hey... at least the Guardian tries to report *news* rather than pointless celebrity gossip. At least the Guardian tried to bring about (essentially) the fall of the monarchy under the EU equal rights act. Oh, and it felled Aitken (yay!). And, more to the point, the Guardian is the only UK newspaper to be legally owned by its readers, rather than some pillock with a load of cash (cf Murdoch, Maxwell, etc). Hence it doesn't wage wars against other newspapers, it just reports.

Yes, I do eat muesli for breakfast :)

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[Daniel Phillips]

If absolutely every law was put to referendum, we'd essentially have mob rule.

Apparently, the Swiss put all their laws to referendum, and they do not have mob rule.

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[Huge Pi Removal]

Nearly...

Only "True Swiss" are allowed to vote in referenda. Since the criteria for being *really* Swiss are somewhat restrictive, it's a running joke there (at least amongst non-true Swiss) that within the next ten years, the only one left making the decisions will be an aging goat.

Also, I don't believe they vote on *every* law.

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[Daniel Phillips]

It's very easy to get the mob to do stupid things, like elect the Nazis. I'm against pure democracy.

Logical falacy alert! Your example is incorrect: the Nazi party was never elected by a majority.

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[sql*kitten]

Hey, hey... at least the Guardian tries to report *news* rather than pointless celebrity gossip.

The Guardian isn't in the news business, it's in the opinion business (same as the Daily Mail). The people who read them pay for pre-digested opinion - they choose their own broad political position (or choose not to choose it but to mimic their parents or peers), then rely on their newspaper to fill in the cracks for them.

At least the Guardian tried to bring about (essentially) the fall of the monarchy under the EU equal rights act.

Nothing sells newspapers like a little controversy.

Oh, and it felled Aitken (yay!).

So what? Any newspaper can claim to have ousted any number of politicians. I wonder if the Guardian helped to get rid of Peter Mandelson or any of New Labour? The Daily Mail (which I am picking on because it seems to be politically opposite to the Guardian) has its own targets.

And, more to the point, the Guardian is the only UK newspaper to be legally owned by its readers

LOL, and those are the same people who rant about shareholders being evil!

Hence it doesn't wage wars against other newspapers, it just reports.

If you want news, get it from somewhere that just reports plain facts - like Dow Jones, AP or Reuters - and think up the editorial for yourself. Don't read what amounts to little more than propaganda and kid yourself that you're informed.

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[noshellswill]

It's called the SOCIAL CONTRACT, dweeb ... that set of commonly accepted and performed behaviors. Also called "rights". Laws being of course a publically and forcibly asserted subset of those behaviors. Sure, minorities have no "rights". As for a mob -- only if ya stand still in front of it ... CRUNCH, SNAP, SMASH ....

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[dukerobillard]

Logical falacy alert! Your example is incorrect: the Nazi party was never elected by a majority.

Check it out...I didn't know that. They only got about the same percentage as the last few US Presidents. :-) Sorry 'bout that.

But, although I picked a bad example, I still think it's easy to get the mob to support stupid things.

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[susano_otter]

See, I always thought of "Government" as being a regulatory entity, where Regulation=Standards+Enforcement. While I see the logic behind the "legal monopoly on violence" statement, it always struck me as inflammatory rhetoric, rather than a realistic or productive assessment.

Furthermore, monopolies aren't necessarily bad, and while enforcement sometimes requires violence, it doesn't follow that all enforcement, or even all violent enforcement, is bad.

Take the electromagnetic spectrum, for example: without standards specifying its use, airplanes wouldn't be able to fly, cell phones wouldn't work, and televisions would receive nothing but snow. And without enforcement, pirate radio stations would freely override airport navigational beacons, cell phones, and television programs. It'd be the whole "Mexican Radio" problem, writ large.

Overall, I'd say that any community that did not establish a "legal monopoly on violence" (or, as I like to call it, "regulation") would collapse under the weight of its own malefactors.

You'll need to get rid of the malefactors before you can begin to think about getting rid of the government.

[Insert whole other debate about the efficacy of this or that specific government, the proper limits of a government's power, gun control, and the obvious superiority of the libertarian point of view.]

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[Anonymous Coward]

The keyword here is "citizen". And some greek
dreams that in a perfect country "anyone would
have several slaves".

Citizens there were a kind of decision making
responsible elite today.

Remember that, democracy people.

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[oliverthered]

the problem is that the 'goverment' is in the business of keeping it's self in bussiness.

I'm sure most pollititians aren't in it because there kind people who want to do the best for everyone, there in it at least in-part for themselfs.

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[smaug195]

That is not necessarily true, I live in the state of California and it seems people are often more willing to spend money then goverment. This is based on the sheer amount of useless intiatives that are passed, that use up tax dollars. It seems people truly don't see much of a connection between what they vote, and what their tax bill is.

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[susano_otter]

The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.

Ooh! Ooh! I've got another one! Imagine a mountainous island nation, with limited farmland, an inhospitable climate, and primitive agricultural technology. The only way to survive is by forming small communities, and preserving the copmmon good at all costs. Failure to sacrifice individual freedoms for communal welfare results in death--not just for the individual, but for the community that supports that individual in spite of such uncooperativeness. Anyone who doesn't put the community ahead of themselves is exiled, and almost certainly doomed to die during the next harsh winter (and all the winters are harsh, on this island). This makes perfect sense, since everyone has the liberty to live like an individual. The only restriction is that they also get to die like an individual. The communities, meanwhile, thrive and grow, and technology advances, and one day the community can afford the luxury of individual liberties. This is, of course, after many generations of eschewing those liberties in favor of communal well-being.

Are these people giving up their liberties because they're delusional, or because they're clear-headed pragmatists? Is the extreme individualist truly any more laudable than the extreme conformist?

Edmund Burke's statement is absolute (note the use of the word "never"), and therefore logically unsound. It is also, I think, provably untrue.

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[susano_otter]

The Greeks may not have had tabloid media, but somebody must have whipped them into a frenzy over Socrates's "corruption of Athenian youth" with his "unorthodox and offensive philosophies". And in their frenzy, they killed him. Nowadays, we just sue, or censor (unless you wear a tinfoil hat--then we kill).

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[Huge Pi Removal]

Oh, I wouldn't claim it's unbiased, not in the slightest. But it does seem to do a reasonable job, and stirs up less hatred against minorities than most other papers (except possibly the Independent, but that's just too boring to read). Let's just say it's the least damaging to society, which is a plus in my book.

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[susano_otter]

It seems like your argument is that the only thing between us and Utopia is a corrupt government. Yet you pointed out that politicians are in it for themselves, rather than the good of the nation. Since eliminating the corrupt government would do nothing at all to eliminate the corrupt people in our society, it seems much more likely that the only thing between us and Utopia is ourselves, and that we will always fail to produce that Utopia with any form of governance (or non-governance).

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[jafac]

Yes, I think it's time to put this "democracy" monster to bed.

If there were TRUE Democracy, things would be very different.
For instance: Look what "the people" have chosen in the past several years in the commercial marketplace. These are the kinds of decisions "the rabble" would choose - apply the same thinking to politics, and it yeilds a hideously frightening prospect:

Microsoft Windows, 95% Marketshare.
Titanic - Best movie of all time.
Backstreet Boyz - #1 musical group of the 20th century.
Harry Potter - #1 work of literature of the 20th(21st?) century.
Coke or Pepsi - your choice.
Ford Escort - #1 selling car in America.
GWBush - 88% Approval rating, Oct 2001.

I came to accept this fact long ago. People are frickin idiots. True Democracy would be a very scary world.

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[Anonymous Coward]

You must practice the art of distraction. Waging war under a democracy is the highest dance. For tips see world history.

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[peg0cjs]

Rule by priveleged minority works well if (and only if) the interests of the elite and the interests of the nation are aligned.

I can't help but think of the Simpsons episode where the Mayor leaves town and a group of "learned" scholars (i.e. Lisa, Dr. Hibbard, the Professor, comic-book guy, etc) take over...with hilarious results.

The way I see it, the best approach would be to have an elected dictator. Every 7 years (or some other arbitrary number) elect the dictator that will rule for the next period. No dictator may rule more than once. Have a few fail-safes to prevent dictator from destroying your world, a la Hussein, and presto magic, you have a leader who can actually get something done, as opposed to the impotent leaders we have now.

PS I do realize there are flaws with this approach, but they are no worse than the garbage we have now.

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[leereyno]

"The right to bear arms is only slightly less stupid than the right to arm bears..."

There are people who have similar snide comments to make about freedom of speech too. The right to bear arms and freedom of speech are the foundation of a free society and the only thing that even comes close to guaranteeing its survival. Mao was right when he said that political power comes from the barrel of a gun. Remember that the next time you feel the urge to disarm yourself. The next time you feel the urge to disarm someone else remember that NRA members like me are well armed and not at all averse to fighting a war to protect our freedom. I'd rather die fighting to preserve freedom that live to see it perish.

Lee

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[sql*kitten]

I can't help but think of the Simpsons episode where the Mayor leaves town and a group of "learned" scholars (i.e. Lisa, Dr. Hibbard, the Professor, comic-book guy, etc) take over...with hilarious results.

Indeed, but I was thinking more along the lines of Victorian Britain. Government by privileged elite saw the creation of probably the greatest empire in history - the so-called democracy since then has seen Britain's power and influence collapse.

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[leereyno]

I can't comment on other countries because, as an arrogant American, I'm not really all that aware of the existance of nations outside the US, except the ones that are in need of nuking that is.

The US is not a democracy in the truest sense of the word. It is a representational democracy and/or a republic. The structure of our government was crafted to provide a system that while responsible to the people and responsive to its needs and wants, did not respond very quickly.

The reason this is important is because approximately 50% of the population is of below average intelligence. The world is full of idiots. If governmental policy changed with the tides of whatever political or ideological fad was most popular, you'd have nothing but chaos. This problem was recognized by the founding fathers and described as the "fevers of the people." The solution that was created is what some people today like to complain about as "gridlock." Gridlock exists because the system pits "ambition against ambition" in the form of checks and balances. This helps ensure that very little is done very quickly. Before anything can be done, a majority must agree and agree for a significant ammount of time. Therefore gridlock is good. The only time you need swift certain action on the part of the government is in an emergency, which are rare. My favorite aspect of gridlock is that it encourages people to take responsibility for things instead of looking to the government to solve their problems for them. It has also helped the US avoid an awful lot of communist/socialist bullshit that is currently plaguing most of europe and that will have to end if the it ever hopes to be relevant in world affiars again, let alone a become a super-power and a counter-balance to the US in the form of the EU.

Of course there is a flaw in the system, it requires that citizens fulfill their civic duty by being informed about what their government is doing and exerting control over it by voting. Politicians listen to two things, money and votes. Not everyone has the former, but almost everyone has the latter. Of the two it is the most important. Politicians in this country pay very close attention to who does and does not vote. They have statisticians working hard to determine exactly who among their constituents they need to keep happy in order to stay in office. Nowadays the only people who are voting are old people and political idealogues. Joe and Jane Blow sit on their asses at home and let senile people and those with an axe to grind determine the fate of this country, and that is just sick. So the next time you're upset about what the government is doing, ask yourself one question, did I vote?

Lee

Re:Familiar

[$carab]

Actually, the American democratic system has shown remarkable stability and generally a lack of the horrors you describe. The real threat to a democratic system is a long term economic slump, like the Great Depression. When the economy is worse, fewer people vote, and more people are willing to vote radical. This is how we end up with Huey Long.

Re:Familiar

[Anonymous Coward]

Democracy is where 51% of the people piss in the corn flakes of the other 49%.

Re:Familiar

[Urchlay]

> The only time you need swift certain action on the part of the government is in an emergency, which are rare.

This explains why the US is constantly in a state of `war on something'. Used to be drugs, now it's terrorism... as long as you can extend the emergency situation indefinitely, you can keep acting switfly and certainly. And if anyone says `the emergency has passed', well, just watch CNN. For whatever reason, CNN has a vested interest in convincing us there's a continual state of emergency. Maybe it's just good for ratings, or maybe it's something more sinister, I dunno...

Now, to say something on topic (this is still about the, er, clit thing). According to the guy's web site, he's removed the source code... but a few lines below that is a working download link for the source.

To anyone having trouble compiling this on *NIX: There's no top-level Makefile, do something like this:

mkdir openclit
cd openclit
tar xvfj ../openclit.tar.bz2
cd lib
make
cd ../clit12
make
cp clit2 /usr/local/bin

Now whether or not it works, I couldn't tell you, as I don't have any of these MS reader format files to try it on.

Warning: the tarball doesn't create its own directory (this irritates me to no end, but *shrug* you get what you pay for)

Re:Familiar

[Anonymous Coward]

I think he's referring to the 'soggy biscuit' game.

Re:Familiar

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, the formal definition of government used by most people who are seriouly discussing government, society, etc.. is in fact "an organization that has a monopoly on using force to enforce its decisions over a defined geogrphic area". It isn't extreme, it is a clear definition of government.

Why is it OK for th epolice to use force, but not you? The police are delegates of the government, and thus allowed to use force. An organization that does not retain a monopoly of force is not a government - it just one of a group of competing mobs.

Re:Familiar

[Anonymous Coward]

That is what we effectively have in Canada. As longe as the Prime Minister can keep his party in line, his laws get passed. Our Senate is a rubber stamp, and we don't have anything like a President.

Re:Familiar

[Anonymous Coward]

Christ, who the hell are you? You my friend, are one naive idiot if you believe there is any such thing as an unbiased news source!

There is no such thing as a UK new source with no editorial line.

The broadsheets' lines are clear. The news sources you quote also have their editorial lines, but clearly you are too trusting to see what they are!

Re:Familiar

[Anonymous Coward]

I am impressed by anyone who can rationalise libertarianism and autocracy, since these are what your politics amount to.

Re:Familiar

[Anonymous Coward]

> Perhaps politicians should be randomly chosen from a pool of people who have taken courses in history, economics, etc.

Er, they already are. Look at the numbers of politicans who have studied PPE (Politics, Philosophy, Economics) at University.

Politics is about the pursuit of power. Always has been, always will be. Your system does nothing to change this, it only creates a new system for the ambitious to manipulate, with no guarantee the outcome will produce the best results for the most people (the test of any just political system).

Indeed, one could easily argue your system actively mitigates against this kind of outcome.

Re:Familiar

[JohnFluxx]

Similiar arguments have been made about slaves in the Egyption times all the way to the black slaves.
Skewing off a bit, this sort of thing is why you also have two very different testaments in the bible.

Re:Familiar

[mangu]

OK, to see what's "socially acceptable", think of the following situation: my cousin is thinking about buying an intellectual property (software, CD, film, whatever) I have already bought.

Scenario 1: I tell him "It sucks, don't buy it". Result, he doesn't buy it, the producer doesn't get the profit from one copy of the media.

Scenario 2: I tell him "Here, get a copy". Result, he doesn't buy it, the producer doesn't get the profit from one copy of the media.

Question: Why do the media companies think one of the above scenarios is illegal?

Re:Familiar

[Anonymous Coward]

But the first scenario and the second scenario rely on mutually exclusive propositions.

In scenario one, you don't like the thing.

In scenario two, you do like the thing (otherwise you would have told him not to bother.)

If, instead of giving him a copy in scenario two, you had advised him to buy it, the product *would* have gained the profit from a copy of the media. Certainly, this is the more moral option.

Re:Familiar

[Anonymous Coward]

I really really like your idea of eliminating the professional politician and appointing people to office for one term only randomly from a pool of people who have proven themselves "qualified" in some way. Even if only by taking and passing a single course on the history of governments and the constitution.

If you have ever looked at the criminal history of those who become senators and representatives, you would be shocked. Random selection would be much better.

Re:Familiar

[AME]

GWBush - 88% Approval rating, Oct 2001

You had me until that last one. Let's see...
Sep, 2001: Enemies of the U.S. kill thousands of U.S . citizens, promise further attacks.
Oct, 2001: President of the U.S. vows to come down hard on the perpetrators. U.S. citizens approve.

What's idiotic about that, exactly?

I suppose I will never understand how Bush-haters have become so cavalier in their disposition that they believe it is a foregone conclusion that anyone who approves of his governance must be a "frickin idiot."

Re:Familiar

[mangu]

Actually, I told him "It sucks, but since I know you are boneheaded enough to get it anyway, here, get a copy". Otherwise, the "moral" thing to do if you buy it and don't like it afterwards, is to recoup your losses by selling copies.

Re:Familiar

[mangu]

What's idiotic about that, exactly?

The idiotic thing about it is January->August 2001: GWBush does everything in his power to ignore/obstruct Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. Remember what the Spider Man said: with great power comes great responsibility. If you want to be the cop of the world, you are responsible for each little fight happening anywhere.

Re:Familiar

[really?]

Just because Reuters, AP, etc report the "plain facts" it doesn't mean they are unbiased, nor does it mean that they have no agenda.
Keep in mind that what is NOT reported is often at least as important as what is...

Re:Familiar

[AME]

GWBush does everything in his power to ignore/obstruct Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

Supposing that your unsubstanciated statement and its associated insinuation were true, all you have said is that the President's political priorities changed because of a major world event. There is still nothing necessarily idiotic about it.

If you want to be the cop of the world, you are responsible for each little fight happening anywhere.

This is false. Even if we assume that the U.S. wants to be the cop of the world, which is also false.

If all of your political ideology comes from Marvel comic characters, you may want to shy away from serious political debate in the future.

Re:Familiar

[Anonymous Coward]

You want to come and live in my head, pure Utopia until I open my eyes. That's why they invented prozak.

Ok more seriously, the process of ellection means that only people who 'WANT' to be ellected are, some people want this for themselfs more than for others. Fortunatly in the UK we have a heridetary system, with more independants then you would ever get through an election based system.

Blind voting and accountability are important.
A blind vote being a vote for the person who prommised.... without knowing who that person is or what party(if any) they belong to.

And instead of sending people to prison, send them to a country where they wouldn't have commited a crime in the first place.

Re:Familiar

[Anonymous Coward]

1945 -> sep 10th 2001: Americans are involved with the killing of, millions of civilians, and the propping up of disgusting regimes in order to make money for big business

Sep 11th 2001: Thousands of civilians pointlessly killed.

Sep 12th 2001 -> god knows when: Some Americans *still don't get it*

Read some Chomsky. Jesus, watch a movie (Bowling for Columbine) if you can't read.

Re:Familiar

[cp99]

Remember, the United States is not a democracy, its a republic. There is a very big difference.

Wrong. A republic isn't mutally exclusive to democracy.

The US, is both a republic and a representative democracy.

Re:Familiar

[susano_otter]

Interesting. Personally, I can't make a reasonable connection between my argument and a justification of slavery. Of course, this may be a side effect of my anti-slavery bias. Certainly slaves are co-opted against their will, which seems different from voluntary communities which put the communal good ahead of the individual good. And forcing someone to do your labor is different from kicking out uncooperative individuals to fend for themselves. In a sense, my scenario emphasizes individual freedoms, by giving each member of the community a choice to cooperate or not. Slavery denies those freedoms by making cooperation mandatory. I must admit that the distinction is blurry, though.

I'm not sure how this leads to the need for two Testaments in the Bible, though. I always thought the Christian faith pivoted around the coming of Jesus Christ, who (among other things) claimed to be abolishing the old ways and replacing them with new ways. The convention is to read the Old Testament as the story of the old ways, and the New Testament as the story of the new ways. The separation of the scriptures on this basis seems sufficient and complete to me, without bringing the issue of slavery into it at all. But I could be wrong, and anyway would like to hear your argument.

Re:Familiar

[jafuser]

Even if we assume that the U.S. wants to be the cop of the world, which is also false.

Not the whole world, true. But at least the sections of the world where one or more large politically-generous U.S. corporations have a vested interest.

Re:Familiar

[JohnFluxx]

I wasn't setting up a strawman argument, nor was I justifying slavery.

You were talking about how at different times society needs to act differently. Taking the bible for an example. Imagine you need to control your population - one that is very superstitous, fearful, in very bad conditions, some hungry etc. One way you might try to deal with this is to try to control with fear - hence the Old Testament.
But as your society develops you no longer need such a strong tone, and you need to adapt and appeal to people's morrals, etc. Hence the New Testament. You basically agreed with this (or am I agreeing with you) in your reply, but at some point we seem to have lost track what exactly we are arguing.

My argument is simply that at different times in society we need different ways of treating people.

We have no need for slavery at the moment - there is plenty of food etc to go around. But you can certaintly imagine a situation at another time where the people in charge feel it is necessary - for example if resources are _very_ tight, and a lot of manual labour is needed which you can't pay for and not enough people would do voluntarily.
As for my point of bringing in slavery - well it seemed controversial and evil enough issue to throw and say it may be needed at certain times to ensure a good reply - which it did :)

Re:Familiar

[susano_otter]

Well played.

If there's anything I've learned from Civilization, it's that different times call for different solutions.

I still can't justify slavery on those grounds, though (as I suspect you know and agree with). If heavy labor is needed to provide for the survival necessities (shelter, food, &c.), then rational communities will voluntarily do the work. Forcing someone else to do the work of ensuring your own survival doesn't seem like a justfiable disregard of their liberties to me.

And if your survival is assured, and you need heavy labor to produce luxury items, then either pay a competitive wage on the open market, or do without. A society that would collapse without slave labor probably should.

Re:Familiar

[JohnFluxx]

I was trying to stay out of philosophy, but here you go:

If you could go back in time and stop all slavery (right back to the egyption and before) but it caused the human race to die out (contrived I know, but what the hell) would you do it?

What comes first, rights of a person or rights of a society. Can you justify slavery on the basis of saving the whole society and making life better for the generations afterwards?

I am of course, just being difficult. I look evil trying to setup situations to justify slavery.

Re:Familiar

[susano_otter]

I don't think you're all that evil, so long as you don't think I'm trying to force you into a philosophical discussion :)

But here we are, so might as well get on with it!

I think individual rights are ultimately more important than the "rights" of a society. In fact, when I put it like that, it seems doubtful that societies have rights in the same sense that individuals do.

However, I also think that an individual's rights are best tempered with a willingness to sometimes sacrifice those rights for the good of others. Individuals who insist on their rights at any cost seem... wrong.

Would I abolish slavery, even if it meant the annihilation of the human race? Yes, assuming an absolute moral code. My moral obligation is to help those I can. I'm not the master of what will be, or what could be--I'm only the master of my own actions, ethics, and moral choices. Confronted with a slavery I could end, I'd be wrong not to end it. The present generation is real, and their suffering is real. The future generation does not exist, and their happiness is completely fictional.

All this assumes free will, of course. If everything is predestined, and I know that the future outcome of my decision has already occurred--for better or worse--then I will simply make whatever decision was preordained for me to make. Since I perceive myself as having free will, then I would exercise that will to make the best moral choices I can. Again, my moral responsibility is to those that exist, not to those that hypoethically could exist (or not).

The Name

[richie2000]

I guess it won't be long before free software activists and feminists around the world will join in the battle cry: Free clit!

Seriously, Microsoft will go after him, just like Adobe tried with Dmitri.

Re:The Name

[Cruciform]

"The CLIT is real! The female orgasm, that's the myth."

Re:The Name

[nicsterrr]

Ok, cue the old man jokes about microsoft getting licked again..

Re:The Name

[0x0d0a]

It's not Free software. The guy didn't hand out the source (which is a shame, or else Linux folks could be reading eBooks right now).

Re:The Name

[Rogerborg]

Runs fine using wine. I dunno if it works, but it runs. Better if we had the source though, given that the author describes himself as "lazy" in the usage. ;-)

Re:The Name

[piranha(jpl)]

Parent:

The guy didn't hand out the source (which is a shame, or else Linux folks could be reading eBooks right now).

Article:

Convert Lit or "Clit.exe" is a command line utility that can downgrade the DRM5 security to DRM1. From there, the formerly encrypted Lit book can be converted to HTML, text, or any other format.

You mean to suggest there's a Microsoft Reader port to Linux?

Re:The Name

[Sunda666]

Yeah, don't have any e-books to test it, but a simple hack like this must run just fine (unless it uses the M$ crypto API in advapi32.dll, which is mostly unsupported under wine). But I think it will work fine, since e-book proprietary crypto is a totally different beast than advapi32.dll crypto.

cheers

Re:The Name

[Anonymous Coward]

...feminists around the world will join in the battle cry: Free clit! Seriously, Microsoft will go after him...

... because Clit rubs Microsoft the wrong way.

.

Re:The Name

[JBhoy]

I agree that it is unfortunate that he didn't make the source available. However, it is certainly free software, since he isn't charging for it.

It isn't Open Source software. Maybe someone should ask him to post the source code.

Re:The Name

[Jason Earl]

Linux folks can read eBooks right now. Heck, I have read over 60 of them in the past year alone, and I have a real problem with a program that unencrypts Microsoft's eBooks. The reason for this is simple. The last thing I want to do is increase sales of Microsoft eBooks. Right now the eBook industry is finally coming to the conclusion that encryption doesn't do anything but hurt its profits. There are plenty of places where I can get unencrypted eBooks, and I would just as soon send the publishers the message that the best way to sell their eBooks is to release them in a wide variety of unencrypted formats. If you don't believe me check out Baen, or most books at Fictionwise.

This software is the worst possible reflection on the eBook community. Not only does it make us all seem like thieves, but the pornographic element makes us look like degenerates as well.

Re:The Name

[Alyeska]

Seriously, Microsoft will go after him, just like Adobe tried with Dmitri.

Not "just like."

Adobe=Big Corporation.
Microsoft=Big, E-E-E-Evil Corporation.

Re:The Name

[MrResistor]

Adobe is equally evil, just not as big.

Re:The Name

[Anonymous Coward]

Seriously, Microsoft will go after him, just like Adobe tried with Dmitri.

Actually, it was the DOJ who went after Dmitri.

Adobe dropped charges quite fast and even asked the DOJ not to push it through, because of the truckloads of angry mail they received from their customers.

Re:The Name

[Anonymous Coward]

Can you please read your own quote of the article?
The program converts to HTML.

And BTW, it was developed under linux, the original author then ported it to windows and decided not to publish the linux version yet.

Re:The Name

[RichardX]

"I agree that it is unfortunate that he didn't make the source available"

Uhm.. Did you look at the guy's page?
Right below the compiled version download is the source download.. hell, he even recommends that you download the source rather than the precomp version.

page is at:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/hostintheshell/
in case you didn't see it elsewhere

Re:The Name

[piranha(jpl)]

Can you please read your own quote of the article?
The program converts to HTML.

The way I read the article and author's site, this program reduces/removes the DRM protection of a LIT file so that it may be converted to HTML by a separate program, like Microsoft Reader itself. (If that's even possible.)

I took a look at the source (recently published on the author's site); it appears to also support conversion to "an OEBPS compliant package". It seems like there's some HTML conversion stuff too, but that's not mentioned on the web site or the README file.

Re:The Name

[0x0d0a]

[confused] You're right, but the moment I saw this article, I looked specifically for source. I even remember seeing the binary there.

I guess I could have somehow missed it, or the page was revised (the packages were at least, because the README contains a reference to this story).

Oh, well. Life is good. :-)

Re:The Name

[Anonymous Coward]

OEBPS is html, with an accompanying xml file that contains configuration info.

Gratuitous Jay and Silent Bob Reference:

[NeuroManson]

I am the CLIT commander! I control the CLIT!!!

Re:Gratuitous Jay and Silent Bob Reference:

[Mac Degger]

Seeing the parent modded as +1 insightfull is the funniest thing I've seen all day :)

Re:Gratuitous Jay and Silent Bob Reference:

[SparkyMartin]

I know, that's funny as hell.

Re:Gratuitous Jay and Silent Bob Reference:

[JohnFluxx]

Your posts always catch my eye because of your sig and that you do indeed always make spelling mistakes, even in one liners.

Re:Gratuitous Jay and Silent Bob Reference:

[NeuroManson]

Just more proof that one should not drink and moderate.

What's in a name?

[Anonymous Coward]

Heheheh... You have to admit... the names they came up for their programs have a much more memorable, ummm.... ring to them than, say, DeCSS.

(Insert joke about "rolling off the tongue" here)

Watch his site get slashdotted in real time!

[Anonymous Coward]

here.

at time of writing:

PocketPC Addict Access Statistics

We received 579102 pages views since January 2002

Browsers

MSIE: Internet ExplorerInternet ExplorerInternet Explorer 80.78 % (467820)
Netscape: NetscapeNetscapeNetscape 11.68 % (67692)
Opera: OperaOperaOpera 0.142 % (827)
Konqueror: KonquerorKonqueror (KDE)Konqueror 0 % (0)
Lynx: LynxLynxLynx 0.007 % (42)
Search Engines: Robots - Spiders - BuscadoresRobots - Spiders - BuscadoresRobots/Spiders 3.382 % (19591)
Unknown: Otros - DesconocidosOtros - DesconocidosOther / Unknown 3.994 % (23130)

Operating System

Windows: WindowsWindowsWindows 83.25 % (482127)
Linux: LinuxLinuxLinux 0.264 % (1530)
Mac/PPC: Mac/PPCMac - PPCMac/PPC 0.912 % (5284)
FreeBSD: FreeBSDFreeBSDFreeBSD 0.003 % (18)
SunOS: SunOSSunOSSunOS 0.109 % (634)
IRIX: SGI IrixSGI IrixSGI Irix 0.002 % (14)
BeOS: BeOSBeOSBeOS 0 % (0)
OS/2: OS/2OS/2OS/2 0.003 % (19)
AIX: AIXAIXAIX 0.000 % (5)
Unknown: Otros - DesconocidosOtros - DesconocidosOther / Unknown 15.44 % (89471)

Re:Watch his site get slashdotted in real time!

[Anonymous Coward]

no konq users? i thought most slashdotters were kde freaks....

Re:Watch his site get slashdotted in real time!

[tsa]

I never knew there were so many unknown OS's.

Re:Watch his site get slashdotted in real time!

[Anonymous Coward]

I can imagine that the "Others" are mostly linux variants but it would be kind of freaky if it actually was really another OS, like AmigaOS =).

Re:Watch his site get slashdotted in real time!

[weave]

Those stats are clearly incorrect. Everyone knows IE has 95% market share, not 80.61% (current stat).

<voice>

Re:Watch his site get slashdotted in real time!

[Anonymous Coward]

umm ... it is dumb ass :)

Re:Watch his site get slashdotted in real time!

[NineNine]

Where did you get 80.61%? It's closer to 96% on my site.

Re:Watch his site get slashdotted in real time!

[Lochin Rabbar]

NineNine wrote: Where did you get 80.61%? It's closer to 96% on my site.

So, what's your point pron boy? Wankers prefer IE, that's not news, we already know your preferences.

Re:Watch his site get slashdotted in real time!

[weave]

Where did you get 80.61%? It's closer to 96% on my site.

You missed the parent post because you're lame and browse at score 2. :-)

The 80% refers the the current stats of the Pocket PC web site the article pointed to. It's slowly dropping the precent of IE users on it, demonstrating once and for all that slashdotters browser choice doesn't match the browser choice the general public uses.

Re:Watch his site get slashdotted in real time!

[NineNine]

Ah, gotcha. Well, that's still a useless statistic... The site gets virtually no traffic (635K pageviews since Jan 2002!?!), and it definitely isn't representative of users in general.

The DMCS takedown

[Lonath]

Betting pool. I predict that the DMCA takedown notice will occur 34 hours from the first posting of this story on ./

Re:The DMCS takedown

[Pofy]

I thought he lived in the UK, not US so why would an american law matter?

Re:The DMCS takedown

[ComaVN]

They shouldn't, but they do. At least, if the guy ever wants to go visit the US.

Re:The DMCS takedown

[spectral]

I just wonder if Microsoft might not use this as a way to attack slashdot. /. is linking to a story that infringes on their IP. If they can't get the guy in question (though I'm sure if they tried hard enough, either Microsoft or the US government could get the guy out of the UK), then they might as well stop the major places from linking to it. And how convenient that it's a site they're probably not all too fond of anyway.

Re:The DMCS takedown

[micromoog]

I just wonder if Microsoft might not use this as a way to attack slashdot.

If Microsoft gave a crap about Slashdot, that might apply.

Re:The DMCS takedown

[Lonath]

I thought Dmitry Sklyarov lived in the .ru, not US so why would an american law matter?

I guess he's ok if the UK never passes a law like the DMCA and never agrees to extradite people over the US DMCA and he never goes to any nation that will agree to extradite him for such a "crime".

But the set of "safe" locations can only shrink over time. :) Not good.

Re:The DMCS takedown

[Anonymous Coward]

You're new here, aren't you?

MS gave a crap enough about it to legally force /. to remove a link that side-swiped their click-through and-extremely-overbearing license agreement over some development tool. Their proprietary modifications to Kerabos or something like that.

(I'm tired, so sue me if the spelling is wrong and the direction is a little vague

clit.exe

[Anonymous Coward]

Now Windows users can find that special spot just by doing a simple Windows key + F. This should be a great boon to girlfriends and wives everywhere...

Copying e-books

[tsa]

e-Books are one of the last remnants of the Internet hype. People already discovered that you can easily copy the contents of the e-book displayer window. There was a story on /. about a company or a person that wrote a program to automagically copy a whole e-book that way. I can imagine that MS will sue this guy but that will only be one more example of the stupidity of the DMCA.

Re:Copying e-books

[Mac Degger]

In theory, yes. I tried it on a .lit copy of the Necronomicon I had gotten (got the deadtree version too, but I didn't want to lug it along), but it effectively crashed trying to copy/paste 1200 pages to notepad to transfer to my IIIc.

Re:Copying e-books

[Anonymous Coward]

The end of the DMCA will be when some country
with a real army, like North Korea, decides to
sponsor code cracking on a massive scale and be
able to download its products for sale around the
world for peanuts on constantly shifting URLs
so as fast as the oligarchs close off one IP,
like a hydra four more will spring up. We havent
got the guts to go after the DPRK because unlike
Iraq, they will fight....hard...have a real army
and a country, China, that has so much as told our
monopolist oriented American president that if just

one

American soldier

goes north,

then the whole west coast of the United States
will glow in the dark.....just like the bank
accounts of all the RIAA members. That is the
only logical reason for our Secretary of State
to make speeches sounding like they were written
in China by a writer out the the Politburo press
pool. Just like the speech they put out denying
that the Tein An Men square massacre 'never
happened'. I only wonder if our Defense Secretary
had to soak his face in wet epoxy cement to avoid
cracking up when he gave his oath of fealty to
China speech.

Re:Copying e-books

[Anonymous Coward]

People already discovered that you can easily copy the contents of the e-book displayer window.

Way back when DOS was the rage, there was a company producing the "Library of the Future". Their reader would not allow you to save the entire book as text, but you could print a page at a time.

There was also a TSR that allowed you to redirect printed output to a file.

There was also a program called doskey which allowed one to create macros, such as "page down print this page" and "do the previous macro ten times", which required one keystroke to use.

One of my first perl scripts was to identify and remove the page markers from the pages that were printed to a file. Sort of a giddy feeling, risking prison and torture for violating the copyright of a company that was publishing mostly public domain material. :-)

Re:Copying e-books

[rela]

How the heck did the parent article get modded up? Sheesh.

where to get ebooks?

[joe094287523459087]

is there any place to get "books" (source material) online for free?

Re:where to get ebooks?

[joch1]

Guttenberg Project - All free and out of copyright

Re:where to get ebooks?

[Anonymous Coward]

The Online Books Page

Over 10,000 online books free to the public.

Re:where to get ebooks?

[Gene303]

www.memoware.com has a crapload of stuff

Re:where to get ebooks?

[gweeks]

If you like science fiction try Baen Books and go to the free library.

Re:where to get ebooks?

[zeugma-amp]

Sure! Try Baen.com. Baen is a commercial site that has found the free distribution of e-books has improved it's bottom line in sales of its dead-tree versions.

They treat their (potential) customers like honest folk and deserve everyone's support IMO.

Re:where to get ebooks?

[Anonymous Coward]

- Well, you _can_ get them from usenet newsgroups... Legality is another matter. Go read the e-book FAQ at: http://ebook.ultraslack.net/

Re:where to get ebooks?

[Anonymous Coward]

irc.nullus.net, channel #bw

Re:where to get ebooks?

[Anonymous Coward]

Project Gutenberg. Almost 10,000 classics, read them all. :)

Re:where to get ebooks?

[Anonymous Coward]

WTF? That's my university and I had no idea. They need to advertise this stuff to the students. :(

Re:where to get ebooks?

[Anonymous Coward]

Tons.

The best:
- Baen free library
- Blackmask

Noteworthy because they've been busy with this the longest, and also because they have the worst quality (formatting) e-books: Project Gutenberg.

Re:where to get ebooks?

[jeffphil]

How 'bout:
B&N Free MS Reader eBooks

University of Virginia's eBook Library for the MS Reader

Re:where to get ebooks?

[Monchanger]

Of course, if this stuff does it for you...

http://www.tcfb.com/freetechbooks/

Hmm...

[Chicane-UK]

I love the smell of lawsuits in the morning! :)

Re:Hmm...

[MonTemplar]

I love the smell of lawsuits in the morning! :)

It smells like... lots of money being burned real fast! :) :)

Re:Hmm...

[JHromadka]

I love the smell of lawsuits in the morning! :)

There is something fishy about the smell of this program. ;)

very cool

[Stanley Feinbaum]

It's extremely cool when someone VIOLATES the DMCA and could have potentially ruined their livelihood and end up in jail. Personally I don't understand how someone would be stupid enough to crack a program and release it non-anonymously. The way the laws are now, it's safer for someone to rape a 5-year-old boy and admit it then to crack a program.

Re:very cool

[Anonymous Coward]

In the US may be, but that's not the case in UK where this guy lives.

Re:very cool

[Pofy]

And what country did he live in again? Not US it appears.

Re:very cool

[Shimbo]

It's extremely cool when someone VIOLATES the DMCA and could have potentially ruined their livelihood and end up in jail. Personally I don't understand how someone would be stupid enough to crack a program and release it non-anonymously

Simple. He's posting from a UK site, and has broken no local law. He might need to take legal advice before visiting the US though. MS lawyers might try some stunt but if I were them, I would just wait for the legislation to come into force then tweak the format again.

Coincidentally, it appears that the EUCD (Euro-DMCA) was meant to be implemented by now. However, it appears that the Patent Office had been lobbied into oblivion.

Re:very cool

[Anonymous Coward]

The way the laws are now, it's safer for someone to rape a 5-year-old boy and admit it then to crack a program.

Bad analogy. For example:

"I just cracked every form of copy protection on those silly little discs that appear to be Redbook Audio CDs but aren't. The RIAA will tremble in fear of my 1337N355!"

"I just raped a 5 year old boy. He came free with my NAMBLA membership."

Obviously, neither of these statements are true because no proof of truthfulness has been provided. Now, if I were to provide the source or a working binary of the hypothetical crack, or photographic proof of the hypothetical rape, I'm fairly certain both cases of law-breaking would be dealt with equally steadfastly.

Re:very cool

[Nodatadj]

"Congratulations you have come first place in our boat giveaway. To collect your boat please come to Springfiel^wMicrosoft Campus, Redmond, WA"

Obligatory Jay and Silent Bob Quote

[ender81b]

Obligatory quote(s) from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back

Jay: I am the CLIT Commander! I AM THE CLIT CAMANDER!! WHEREVER YOU SEE A CLIT YOULL SEE THIS FACE! I am master of the CLIT!

Willenholly: We don't want to rub the C.L.I.T. the wrong way!
Willenholly: The C.L.I.T. is an offshoot of the L.A.B.I.A.
Reg Hartner: Oh, you mean the Liberate Apes Before Imprisoning Apes movement?

Konq

[gonadware]

Konqueror users like to masquerade as IE to expand the Microsoft mindshare.

That's great...

[jez9999]

... because I just finished on a program I've been making. Transform Watermark, or "Twat.exe", will allow you to unencode watermarked e-books in addition to this!

Re:That's great...

[Anonymous Coward]

Thief.

Why pilfer the works of others? We should be P.ublishing O.ur O.wn N.ovels.

Re:That's great...

[WindBourne]

Cool. I can use that with the new one that I been woring on. It is designed to delete all the icky parts of a book. Now, I will have to come up with a name for it. Perhaps, these 2 programs can be used together

Code can be downloaded here

[itsnotme]

You can download the code from his homepage here: http://members.lycos.co.uk/hostintheshell/clit.zip

And obviously his homepage is: http://members.lycos.co.uk/hostintheshell

Re:Code can be downloaded here

[JimDabell]

You can download the code from his homepage here: http://members.lycos.co.uk/hostintheshell/clit.zip

Thanks, I had real trouble finding it for a minute there.

Re:Code can be downloaded here

[zoiks01]

Unfortunately, the download is not code, but a binary.

Re:Code can be downloaded here

[Spunk]

Not if it doesn't get past the content filter!

SmartFilter: Denied: Sex

Re:Code can be downloaded here

[blibbleblobble]

"And obviously his homepage is http://members.lycos.co.uk/hostintheshell"

Lycos, of course, being famous for their efforts to defend free speech on hosted websites.

Anyone have a list of mirrors?

Re:Code can be downloaded here

[ncc74656]

Unfortunately, the download is not code, but a binary.

Hmm...what, then, is this?

Clit source - The source code for clit and associated library. This should compile cleanly on linux and BSD, and should be easily portable. The source code is released under the GPL.

OTOH, both links (source and binary) are currently 404...

Sites starting to get lagged..

[irc.goatse.cx troll]

I doubt this site will make it till morning, so just incase..

Microsoft Reader format CRACKED!
Date: Monday, December 30 @ 22:19:50 EST
Topic: Breaking News!

Frustrated by the tight security and lack of interoperability of Microsoft Reader eBooks, a programmer named Dan Jackson obtained the source code for a command-line program called Convert Lit and made it available to the public. Convert Lit or "Clit.exe" is a command line utility that can downgrade the DRM5 security to DRM1. From there, the formerly encrypted Lit book can be converted to HTML, text, or any other format.

In a blatently open move, Mr. Jackson announced via his website a willingness to improve upon the original code of his program (that is reportedly less than 1 month old), in addition to providing more capabilities to the program itself. "I wish to provide an all-in-one solution for the recovery of data in the MS Reader .lit file format. If there is interest, I am also open to creating a .dll to make it possible for others to implement a LIT conversion utility from their ebook applications."

Other Internet hackers have already captured this code and provided a Windows 9x front-end that illiminates the need to know and understand command-line functions. This addition is called cuntlits.exe and contains nude buttons and offensive language.

Pocket PC Addict obtained independent verification that these utilities do in fact remove the encryption and security from Microsoft Reader books.

It remains to be seen what kind of impact an already hesitant eBook market. By removing the security of the Reader books, formerly encrypted eBooks can be traded and downloaded free of charge on the Internet.

Exploit? What exploit?

[jsse]

Average users wouldn't care.

Re:Exploit? What exploit?

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry about flaming you. Just trolling around. Peace! You're a wise carrot chap. Feet are sexy!

lit was cracked a long time ago

[Anonymous Coward]

There's been a Windows macro floating around for a long time that converts lit to text. It basically sends window events to the MS Reader program to scroll through the e-book, and more windows events to dump the text to Wordpad. It's just a few dozen lines long and isn't much of a jump in sophistication over taking screen shots. Face it Microsoft, as long as the book content is displayed on the screen where people can see it, there's no way to stop it from getting captured.

Re:lit was cracked a long time ago

[Unordained]

isn't that where microsoft moves from the secure-audio-channel system to a secure-video-channel, with the hope you won't be able to extract the video back out of the video card itself ... and instead have to take a video camera to the screen, the way you'd take a tape recorder to your audio-out?
yes, it's always accessible. but they'll hope to make it hard to copy -- for example, don't use functions that allow copy-pasting (just draw to a canvas, such that you have to do the screenshot thing) then modify the text so ocr software can't make it out (antialias a bit, change the colors randomly ... do what some sites are doing now to prevent scripts from creating accounts -- put broken text on even more broken backgrounds with filters applied so only the human eye can really tell what's there ...) this would at least prevent plain-text/html renderings of the original text, and force you to distribute images ... which won't work any better with text-to-speech or other plugin/filter/layers you might want between you and your book.
it's actually much easier for them to render text readable to the human eye but not to software than for them to make music that can be even remotely enjoyed whilst not being recordable ...

Re:lit was cracked a long time ago

[snake_dad]

That one supposedly only works with unprotected lit. I'm not 100% sure since I don't have a protected lit to test with.

Re:lit was cracked a long time ago

[DGolden]

Personally, I won't be bothering with eBooks until I have a 300DPI+ A4-sized display*, but anyway:

Of course "readable to the human eye" is not the same as "pleasantly readable to the human eye" - you could just buy a print book if the ebook becomes too annoyingly full of wobbly characters.

And also, researchers, spurred on by the challenge of descrambling those obfuscated text things, are already having some success. See

"Breaking gimpy: Researchers crack Security System Designed to prevent internet Robots"

* LCD Manufacturers: I want a high DPI screen, not a physically huge one. Why the hell can't I get a 15" 1600x1200 DESKTOP LCD Monitor???

Re:lit was cracked a long time ago

[ciscoeng]

And that's where Microsoft's Palladium will fit in.
If they can encrypt and authenticate the entire path from bootup to what appears on your screen, this will be much less common.

Re:lit was cracked a long time ago

[Anonymous Coward]

* LCD Manufacturers: I want a high DPI screen, not a physically huge one. Why the hell can't I get a 15" 1600x1200 DESKTOP LCD Monitor???

Easy because the defect rate in pixels is still to high. On average it is like 99.95 good pixels on an LCD display. Remeber 3 pixels are needed to form colours AND there must be some space between them. The solution seems to be smaller pixels and combinations coupled with better manufacturing although I think bad pixels will be forever with us with LCD displays.

Re:lit was cracked a long time ago

[baptiste]

* LCD Manufacturers: I want a high DPI screen, not a physically huge one. Why the hell can't I get a 15" 1600x1200 DESKTOP LCD Monitor???

Isn't that the damned truth! I've had a Dell Inspiron for 3 years now that has 1600x1200 LCD screen that looks awesome! Why can't I get one on my desktop. 1280x1024 just doesn't cut it for an OS (*cough*Linux*cough*) with decent graphics in the desktop :) Only XP looks good at low resolutions :)

Burn karma Burn!

Re:lit was cracked a long time ago

[Pyrometer]

Face it Microsoft, as long as the book content is displayed on the screen where people can see it, there's no way to stop it from getting captured.

So what if they burn in to our brains then thats ok because it stops all kinds of possible capture (considering most people can't use their brains).

Re:lit was cracked a long time ago

[rw2]

His point was that they make them for laptops, why don't they package them for desktop use.

Personally, I prefer the 19" 1600x1200 display, but I understand the beef at least.

Or, you could just buy the laptop and use it as a display. It won't cost you much more than the lcd would have anyway! (FWIW, i'd buy toshiba, my dell 1600x1200 had to go back twice, but my tosh is running like a champ. YMMV)

Re:lit was cracked a long time ago

[destiney]

Yeah that's prolly what stopped the Xbox from getting cracked.. NOT!

Re:lit was cracked a long time ago

[Anonymous Coward]

Given that the script merely presses the key for you, I don't think this would actually work. After all, does the MSReader really copy the contents of the screen to the clipboard when the is pressed?
If that does in fact work, then all this script does is copy/paste. See for yourself:

CallDialog Dialog
CallDialog PageD

BEGINDIALOG Dialog 337, 260, 350, 110
CAPTION "Convert by Tecnodude"
TEXT "Convert Version .03 by Tecnodude 1-19-2001", 59, 15
DEFPUSHBUTTON "&OK", btnOK, 125, 41, 75, 23
ENDDIALOG

BEGINDIALOG PageD 337, 260, 350, 138
CAPTION "Number of pages to convert"
TEXT "Please enter the number of pages to convert:", 55, 19
EDITTEXT pages$, 128, 42, 78, 20
DEFPUSHBUTTON "&OK", btnOK, 130, 78, 75, 23
ENDDIALOG
pages=val(pages$)
repeat
UseWindow("MSREADER.EXE|EBUI_CHILD|Microsoft Reader|1",1)
ClickMouse(Left,Down,54,62)

MoveMouse(84,654)
ClickMouse(Left,Up,84,654)

UseWindow("MSREADER.EXE|EBUI_CHILD|Microsoft Reader|1",1)
ClickMouse(Left,Down,31,131)
ClickMouse(Left,Up,31,131)

UseWindow("MSREADER.EXE|EBUI_CHILD|Microsoft Reader|1",1)
SendKeys("<Alt>")

UseWindow("WORDPAD.EXE|RichEdit20W|New WordPad Document - WordPad|1",1)
SendKeys("<Ctrl v>")

UseWindow("MSREADER.EXE|EBUI_CHILD|Microsoft Reader|1",1)
SendKeys("<pagedown>")
pages=pages-1
until pages<1

Re:lit was cracked a long time ago

[Anonymous Coward]

That program DOES NOT WORK and has not worked for quite some time now. Microsoft has since released several revisions for its Reader and the macro hasn't been updated.

ports

[Anonymous Coward]

linux - gclit
Apple - iClit
BSD - BSDMclit

Re:ports

[ComaVN]

don't forget Klit and WinClit

Re:ports

[nule.org]

Don't forget the KDE version: klit

Re:ports

[joto]

don't forget Klit and WinClit

But remember, unless sufficiently drunk, stay away from gnome-clit.

Nude buttons

[jesser]

This addition is called cuntlits.exe and contains nude buttons and offensive language.

He's probably just trying to increase his download count:

Click here for e-book conversion software with nude buttons!

Microsoft's response

[Alsee]

Microsoft has promptedly responded to this breach of DRM5 security. That have released their new DRM6 format which contains the DRM5 file with the addition of a "Broadcast Flag" bit. When this bit is set to 1 the DRM5 security may not be copied or extracted. When the bit is set to zero you may freely copy or extract the DRM5 data.

-

so you're saying fud's too bullame?

[Anonymous Coward]

well, they NEVER mention the L word on the blather. just more fud. does dan think that's what folks waNT to hear about?

IT's LIEk (on tv) they're holding up a giaNT "image" of IT/US, as being some kind of billonlyUS secret, that can only be "bought" for US buy george et AL, from bill et FUD, when in REALity, ITs already here.

now robbIE et lairy, have turned into sum kind of poster bouys for the hole FraUDuleNT scam. that can't be good. nothing gnu about that at all. shame on you. phewww. we think they've been duped for a handful of worth less billybuks. time will tell.

Re:so you're saying fud's too bullame?

[MonTemplar]

The one-handed Slashdot poster strikes again! :)

My view

[sickboy_macosX]

"Dude some guy from Soviet Russia hacked the Adobe E-book Security" "No way SCHWEET maybe i should hack microsofts security" "Uhm you could go to prison" "So what, if i hack the microsoft code, i will be famous and everyone will want to interview me, plus i will be trated better than a loser Russian" I think this is the conversation that took place.. Hey man, be original, and do somthign worth while! Like hack the Xbox security feature yo!

source code?

[Ashish Kulkarni]

I doubt that the source code has been made available to "Dan Jackson". Relveant quote from the post original program's author made on the newsgroup:

Please note that right now this is VERY alpha. It's the first release. It also is available only as a binary, for Windows console. I wrote a GUI in ASM, but porting it to WINAPI is a pain in the arse... I won't bang on about it, but it's pathetic that it's easier to code in ASM than C on the Windows platform. The original was written under *NIX --- but I'm not willing to distribute the source just yet, for a variety of reasons.

There WILL be a polished GUI, as well as a source release in the future. I am unable to post here anonymously (and hence using a public library system and some vulnerable machines for this post) so, updates will probably NOT be announced here, unless someone is willing to play proxy for me.

Re:source code?

[Anonymous Coward]

message-id, please.

Re:source code?

[Anonymous Coward]

Google doesn't cache alt.binaries.e-book, and you won't find a newsserver in the world that still has the article (it's more than a month old).

Re:source code?

[Anonymous Coward]

There's a copy at http://www.hackinthebox.org/print.php?sid=8612

Re:source code?

[Mike1024]

Hey,

I doubt that the source code has been made available to "Dan Jackson".

Unless one goes to the webpage of Dan Jackson Software and download:

Clit source - The source code for clit and associated library. This should compile cleanly on linux and BSD, and should be easily portable. The source code is released under the GPL.

Michael

Re:source code?

[Anonymous Coward]

Also try this website. You can download the source and binary in one package, and view individual source files in colorized HTML.

Re:source code?

[Ashish Kulkarni]

well, it wasnt there when I posted the comment... thanks, anyway.

mod parent up

[phr1]

It gives another way to read lit files.

In Soviet Russia

[jwilcox154]

Microsoft Reader cracks YOU

Re:In Soviet Russia

[Anonymous Coward]

Woah, how the heck is this "off Topic"?

Those statistics prove only one thing.

[Wakko Warner]

Clearly, *BSD is dying.

- A.P.

Okay, great. But...

[applef00]

...what's the friggin' point? Don't get me wrong, I'm as happy as anyone else to see MS get embarassed. But didn't they already do that to themselves by trying to go head-to-head with Adobe's PDF? How many people here have even used the LIT format? Hell, I own a WinCE Jornada with MS Reader built in, and I've never used it. Just a thought.

Re:Okay, great. But...

[Rogerborg]

Hey, I know a guy that bought - sorry, I mean licensed - a bunch of eBooks. Then he bought a new handheld, and found out that he couldn't transfer the license, so he'd effectively paid for a bunch of scrambled bits. For those who don't know, that's how eBooks work, they're licensed per machine. If you upgrade devices (or your device breaks), you lose the right to read.

Believe me, he won't be buying - sorry, licensing - any more, even with this thing available.

Re:Okay, great. But...

[jsse]

Not only ebook, almost all major software out there for Palm are released with per machine licenses. I've just bought a Tungsten/T, and I got to send a signature generated by reading my palm's configuration to request a key generated from it in order to register a rather essential software. I'm almost sure that this key cannot be used when I buy a new palm.

I miss the opensource community spirit while programming for handheld devices...man it's like programming in a lockup closet. :(

Re:Okay, great. But...

[swillden]

For those who don't know, that's how eBooks work, they're licensed per machine. If you upgrade devices (or your device breaks), you lose the right to read.

Not necessarily. I have a Rocket e-Book that I pretty much wore out. It still works, but the battery won't hold a charge and there are a bunch of pieces rattling around inside. So, I got a second Rocket a few weeks ago, registered it under my name, and got new copies of all of my purchased books.

Of course, it's still true that I can't lend my books without lending the reader, and that if GemStar ever goes out of business I'm pretty much out of luck. I'm okay with those things mainly because I can buy (license) the books for a discount (though I think the discount ought to be a little larger) and because reading e-Books is more convenient than reading paper.

Re:Okay, great. But...

[james_sorenson]

The Palm Reader encodes the text using your credit card number. You can install the ebook on any device, it's just a question of how much you want to distribute your credit card number. This is so far the best method I've seen yet.

Re:Okay, great. But...

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, I must being doing something wrong then. I just made sure that when I activated my microsoft reader, that I used the same sign-on, so all my devices are activated using the same account, and thus (Apparently) I can read them on any device.

Re:Okay, great. But...

[Anonymous Coward]

At blackmask's online store, you can see which is currently the most popular e-book format (bestsellers at the right side of the shop page).

Acrobat's rotten PDF format that's made completely unsuitable for e-book use by its design-time specification of page size still amazes me by reaching the 4th position.

Re:Okay, great. But...

[Dahan]

Many credit card companies offer one-time-use credit card numbers... just use one of those to buy the reader, then distribute the now-worthless number :)

Very Mature

[z_gringo]

from the article:

Other Internet hackers have already captured this code and provided a Windows 9x front-end that illiminates the need to know and understand command-line functions. This addition is called cuntlits.exe and contains nude buttons and offensive language.

I have no problem with nudity or offensive language, but all in proper context. The above paragraph just makes the whole thing sound like a stupid joke.

Re:Very Mature

[more]

Perhaps it is their way in protecting themselves against legal action from Microsoft. How can Microsoft publicly attack something called clit or cuntlits? That would hit the news and would be remembered for a long time.

Re:Very Mature

[Anonymous Coward]

Rumor has it old friends Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer are fighting over who gets to go after clit first.

Re:Very Mature

[Jugalator]

and contains nude buttons

Regardless how hard I'm trying, I can't figure out how a "nude button" would look like? Hmm... A button with no text inside? A button without a frame?

Re:Very Mature

[z_gringo]

Wow! ha! I must admit, that is a very good point. I doubt that the creators had that in mind, but it is indeed true..

I say, +5 funny....

Re:Very Mature

[outsider007]

Regardless how hard I'm trying, I can't figure out how a "nude button" would look like?

when I read that I figured that nude was just the color.

Re:Very Mature

[catalina]

when I read that I figured that nude was just the color.

Ah, dark brown.....

Re:Very Mature

[outsider007]

well where I come from its more of an off-white.

Re:Very Mature

[charon_on_acheron]

Is "off" a synonym for "fish-belly"? If so, I'm all over that color. Unless I go to the beach for an hour, then it changes to "lobster-red". Damn these northern european genes!!

Re:Very Mature

[Anonymous Coward]

But when M$ wins the lawsuit, the headlines will read

Microsoft licks CLIT!

Re:Very Mature

[Thing 1]

How can Microsoft publicly attack something called clit or cuntlits?

Microsoft themselves made the mistake of releasing offendingly-named software. I'm not making this up: they created the Critical Update Notification Tool.

It was later renamed to the Critical Update Notification Utility (or CUNU). But the quick among us were already laughing. ;-)

Re:Very Mature

[Anonymous Coward]

>Other Internet hackers have already captured this code and provided a
Windows 9x front-end that illiminates the need to know and understand
command-line functions. This addition is called cuntlits.exe and
contains nude buttons and offensive language.
I have no problem with nudity or offensive language, but all in proper
context. The above paragraph just makes the whole thing sound like a
stupid joke.
>
>
It *IS* a joke. You now can't run around claiming that this is being done for commerical gain, because it isn't.

Moot application?

[psyconaut]

I mean.....does anyone actually *read* eBooks? Where on earth do you buy them in the first place?

-psy

Re:Moot application?

[eclectro]

The arguement can be made that due to the extensive DRM incorporated and incompatible file formats among readers that eBooks are just not as convenient as a regular book.

One thing can be said for sure. Consumers did not see enough value in eBooks to purchase them.

Not a surprise really, given the circumstances.

Re:Moot application?

[grumling]

I came close to getting one last night, until I checked the price.

Why the heck is the paper copy cheaper than the e-copy?

.

Re:Moot application?

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, obviously electrons are expensive...

Re:Moot application?

[bitty]

I purchased a Rocket reader back when they first came out. It actually comes in quite handy. I even downloaded a few books before I found that you can create your own content from HTML docs. Just for grins, I converted the FreeBSD Handbook. It worked well, so now I use it for all kinds of reference materials.

Beats the hell out of carrying around a stack of paper printed from various websites.

Re:Moot application?

[Anonymous Coward]

Because you're buying it from leeches (it's the same at Amazon, BTW).

Go to fictionwise, for example, or (cheaper but limited to a single publisher) Baen's webscriptions.

Well OK good for him but.....

[Anonymous Coward]

Sad for the authors. Crack those ebooks but have some heart and buy the dead-tree version or donate to the author. Ebooks can be downloaded at the rate where you have the entire Terry Pratchett series of books on your hard disk in the same time as a 2 or 3 Britany Spears songs

Re:Well OK good for him but.....

[Goldenpi]

I did exactly that. Terry Pratchet, Douglas Adams, isaac asimov, arther c clarke, many others. I have quite a library. I even have a 486 laptop used only for reading. Its completly silent with its compactflash card for the books and no fan, and cool enough for me to safely fall asleep while reading in bed. I did buy dead tree versions. My last purchase was a three-inch-thick book on cisco networking. Finished in two days. I cant afford the real thing anymore. LIT protection never has been very good, its been broken before. This is a cleaner and easier to use break, as it doesn't need ebook reader to decrypt the books, but its hardly the new DeCSS. Has anyone noticed the person who runs that website didn't write the program himself, and as he lives in the UK the DMCA is usless? The UK implimentation of the EUCD is still tied up in red tape.

Re:Well OK good for him but.....

[Anonymous Coward]

Indeed.

The incredible immaturity of the replies on this forum is for the first time, starting to make me think that perhaps people really are the thieving bastards that the IP industries accuse them of being. That this whole debate actually isn't about fair use and so on, that it really is about preventing the wholesale plundering of someone else's work.

The usefulness of eBooks aside, it's a litmus test of how people think about copyright. And it is obvious that most of the posters here today don't give a damn about the poor chap who created the work they are ripping off.

There is no monopoly argument at stake - PDFs are available everywhere. There is no price argument (unlike CDs). No, this is simply cracking the code so the content can be ripped off.

That is just wrong.

Re:Well OK good for him but.....

[Anonymous Coward]

No. The issue here is whether you have a right to do whatever you want with something you have bought, subject to a few restrictions (in the US). As far as I'm concerned, I personally condone any kind of cracking of encrypted information. Information does indeed want to be free, and I withhold money from corporations that disagree, and support the cracking of their software that tries to take away fair-use, first sale, and all the other 'information rights' that we have.

Lots of fair usages for this

[spiro_killglance]

and one important one is for search engines to
be able to index ebook files.

IRC channels

[Gryftir]

This is already available in the various IRC book warez channels (I know I know, but book warez sounds better then book trading channels). I expect people are converting the lit books right now.

won of the biggest fears of feudalists

[Anonymous Coward]

is that the stakeholders may someday rise up & eat them. could mean hack them, i guess

So can we get the source...

[Karora]

He is soliciting suggestions for changes, but isn't giving out the source :-(

I know the change I would like is to make it run on non-Windows operating systems.

Re:So can we get the source...

[Anonymous Coward]

he has a link to the source at the bottom of his page, dumbass

Re:Clits are overrated

[Anonymous Coward]

In the medical world, this is called the 'taint'. Don't ask me why.

The stats are obviously wrong..

[Anonymous Coward]

It says that there have been 0 (zero) hits with Konqueror, although I just visited the site twice with two different versions of the Konqueror browser.

Re:Clits are overrated

[Anonymous Coward]

why?

you know it too? what's in a word?

[Anonymous Coward]

i'm glad they're laying back on that "hack" term. looks LIEk they were using that to try to give some folks a BAD name. pr slimeballs. they're so slimey. yuk.

sum are saying J. has been subjected to evile pr hypenosys raise, for over a decade of deception now. yuk.

sum are saying that robbIE is now cooperating with the liesense peddlers, in order to keep the LIE aLIEv, because of money/va lairy. yuk

I wonder...

[Anonymous Coward]

...what a nude button looks like.

Re:Clits are overrated

[Anonymous Coward]

"taint"??? The bit between the vagina and anus is actually called the "twernt" because if it twernt there the guts would fall out

Re:Clits are overrated

[Anonymous Coward]

ROTFL I nearly shat myself laughing when I read that!

Where is the...

[ericdano]

Where is that Butterfly when you need him? Oh, he's probably doing more TV ads for MSN8.....

Or in the other hand......a really big butterfly swatter ;-)

"I have no tolerance for bad journalism!"

[DrSkwid]

LOL

then one would expect that you would read the frucking article and know that the guy says he didn't write it !

"One of the people I met while MUD'ing suggested that since I live in the UK, I could act as an agent for programmers who wish to remain anonymous but still want to release their software. "

Plus no-one's not cracked a program, someone has cracked the file DRM level so that data files can be converted.

It gets better.

"The way the laws are now, it's safer for someone to rape a 5-year-old boy and admit it then to crack a program."

Pure hype. Do you read the Daily Mail by any chance?

Re:"I have no tolerance for bad journalism!"

[ergo98]

then one would expect that you would read the frucking article and know that the guy says he didn't write it !

Yeah, and the thug on the corner is just holding that crack pipe for his buddy: It ain't his, honest! Possession is 9/10ths of the law, and in this case the guy not only is a primary suspect as the author of it (for obvious reasons that any non-naive person understands), but secondarily is an active distributor. Thinking that he's magically skirted laws is just fantasty law imaginations.

Secondly, so what if he's in the UK? Last I saw the UK and the US, just like most of the free world, have pretty comprehensive extradition treaties. That's ignoring the fact that the UK likely does have applicable laws for the local branch of Microsoft, but if not the guy has basically just ensured that he can never leave home again (or at least not take connecting flights that touch down in North America).

Re:"I have no tolerance for bad journalism!"

[Sunda666]

Extradition is a totally different beast... It would work if the guy was an american citizen doing bad shit in the UK, or, even not being american, did some shit in the USA and fled away to UK. But since he appears to be english, and did nothing wrong in USA territory, the point is moot.

cheers.

No practical protection.

[coloth]

It's a disconnect between legal protection and practical protection. Illegal or unauthorized distribution has always been possible, whether through transcription, photography, photocopy, whatever. But in the end, those aren't very practical or threatening.

The sheer fluidity of the digital world makes almost anything practical. For instance, even if a security mechanism could be created by which a program or macro could not copy (either text or graphics) the contents of an ebook reader while scrolling through (erect a kind of region protection all the way through to the video card), it's not going to stop anyone.

What about a cam pointed at the monitor? Either from the same computer or another one? Or just videotape separately as the ebook scrolls by, then have some ocr software decode it.

I'm just having a hard time figuring out how ebooks will ever enjoy the same "practical" protection that wood books do.

Re:No practical protection.

[ComaVN]

I'm just having a hard time figuring out how ebooks will ever enjoy the same "practical" protection that wood books do.

I think having to point a camera at the screen is on par with photocopying a paper book (I don't know about wood books :P ) as far as practicality is concerned.

Re:No practical protection.

[Planesdragon]

What about a cam pointed at the monitor? Either from the same computer or another one? Or just videotape separately as the ebook scrolls by, then have some ocr software decode it.

I'm just having a hard time figuring out how ebooks will ever enjoy the same "practical" protection that wood books do.

Er, if you need to take a visual of the text and then process it, the ebook DOES have the same "practical" protection that wood books do.

A sharp knife and a sheet-fed scanner will get you an electronic format of your book in no time flat.

This explains everything

[toastyman]

So THIS is what he has been doing since he "ascended to a higher spiritual plane"...

It does kinda make sense too, being able to translate all those languages so easily, I guess MS Reader isn't that much harder than Egyptian?

(alright, alright... Not funny, I know)

Re:Clits are overrated

[Anonymous Coward]

LOL

actually, they wouldn't, but you'd have a nice cloaca thingy you could stick your head in.

Now, don't forget to check the anonymous box...

Pubic name for public s/w!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Think about it - if Microsoft writes crappy s/w - it gets away with it. Try telling your friends that their s/w is a piece of s**t - most just look back at you dumb.

Now, if ever MS makes this pubic.. er public, they'll get mentioned in the same breath - which is a punishment in itself. On the other hand, a buyer who has a genuine need for this s/w should not mind the name. And again, since the source is out - the name can be modified before further distribution.

I like the guy's candid dirtier-than-thou attitude!

Posted by a Brave Anonymous Coward! If you want my name, post your e-mail id below..

It is a good thing

[lfourrier]

Microsoft Reader is so badly designed* that having the ability to compose a solution out of small efficient programs (the unix way) permit the user to manage a library, format text, and read it in the most convenient way.
Of course, it doesn't help publishers to place restrictions on content, but we are speaking about reading ebooks, not preserving monopolies.

* installing MR on a computer with a 1024x480 display ends with one page of text about 300 pixels wide: completly unusable.

Maybe Microsoft released its own crack

[stephanruby]

Companies have been known to release cracks of their own products to foster widespread adoption. The CEO of Macromedia almost admitted doing as much in an interview.

Somehow, I doubt that Microsoft would have done such a thing, but you've got to admit, it's a sound business strategy. It gives a company all the benefits of having an open format, without making the commitment of an open format.

Re:Maybe Microsoft released its own crack

[Anonymous Coward]

Plumbers release their own crack too... Doesn't help their business much, does it?

Re:Maybe Microsoft released its own crack

[Anonymous Coward]

..and then, once the format gets widespread (non-cracked) support, you can bust everyone using the cracks. Fiendishly simple.

Rape - if the victim is a boy, police won't care

[moncyb]

Didn't you know? It's considered acceptable to rape a 5 year old boy. If you're a woman and somehow get pregnant, you can also demand child support. On the other hand, if the victim was a girl, then it'd be a different story.

I remember hearing a story about a 10 year old boy being sexually abused by a woman. Not only did the authorities do nothing about it, she got child support from it!

What a brave man!

[alfaiomega]

This guy has violated both DMCA and CIPA at the same time! Now, that's the spirit!

Re:What a brave man!

[zdzichu]

hmmm, "cipa" means "pussy" in polish. coincidence?

Re:What a brave man!

[alfaiomega]

hmmm, "cipa" means "pussy" in polish.

Wiem. ;)

...and to avoid the karma whore factor

[Anonymous Coward]

Please mod this up instead of the parent:

Frustrated by the tight security and lack of interoperability of Microsoft Reader eBooks, a programmer named Dan Jackson obtained the source code for a command-line program called Convert Lit and made it available to the public. Convert Lit or "Clit.exe" is a command line utility that can downgrade the DRM5 security to DRM1. From there, the formerly encrypted Lit book can be converted to HTML, text, or any other format.

In a blatently open move, Mr. Jackson announced via his website a willingness to improve upon the original code of his program (that is reportedly less than 1 month old), in addition to providing more capabilities to the program itself. "I wish to provide an all-in-one solution for the recovery of data in the MS Reader .lit file format. If there is interest, I am also open to creating a .dll to make it possible for others to implement a LIT conversion utility from their ebook applications."

Other Internet hackers have already captured this code and provided a Windows 9x front-end that illiminates the need to know and understand command-line functions. This addition is called cuntlits.exe and contains nude buttons and offensive language.

Pocket PC Addict obtained independent verification that these utilities do in fact remove the encryption and security from Microsoft Reader books.

It remains to be seen what kind of impact an already hesitant eBook market. By removing the security of the Reader books, formerly encrypted eBooks can be traded and downloaded free of charge on the Internet.

Re:...and to avoid the karma whore factor

[irc.goatse.cx troll]

I'm close enough to pegged at the cap that I really dont care about karma. Afterall, It's just a number^H^H^H^H^H^Hword 'mostly affected by moderation of your comments' (in addition to changed if an editor disagrees with you).

I�m usually not that grumpy...

[Anonymous Coward]

But indeed it seems people cannot get by without a spellchecker.

Optmistically, I am pretending to myself the guy (in the other article -- and, yes, I know his name, starts with "c") mistyped "i" cause its near "u".

With a more farsighted view, can we have SlashDot in Esperanto, to avoid this kind of "mistyping"?

Or is there already an equivalent in Esperanto?

Thx.

Re:Clits are overrated

[jejones]

No, it's not. The correct term is "perineum."

I'm SHOCKED!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

This addition is called cuntlits.exe and contains nude buttons and offensive language.

I have no problem with nudity or offensive language, but all in proper context. The above paragraph just makes the whole thing sound like a stupid joke.

I'm shocked! Who would have suspect such an offensive name and interface from a frontend to CLIT, which is a tool to pirate books! Seriously, what have you expected? Is it the first time you have a contact with 1337 WAREZ d00dz?

--
"It's easier to moderate than to post an intelligent answer."
-Tom.

The headlines would ROCK...

[still_sick]

"Bill Gates still in search of CLIT"

Re:The headlines would ROCK...

[bludstone]

I am the CLIT commander!

here it is, just in case

[Anonymous Coward]

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Re:here it is, just in case

[Anonymous Coward]

It had to come this far, sooner or later.

The click-point-click morons started posting binaries on slashdot.

Will someone please mod the parent DOWN to minus infinity, instead of up?

Re:here it is, just in case

[Anonymous Coward]

But the binaries have disappeared from the original site. Are you opposed to base64 posts of things that are important and relevant to DMCA or crypto/HomelandPrivacyInvasion issues? You some kind of enemy of freedom?

Mandatory Jay & Bob remark ;-)

[SailorBob]

I am the clit.exe commander!

This is getting old

[Anonymous Coward]

It's amazing that people have so much time to dedicate themselves to breaking protection on intellectual property. I would think there are more important things to do in this world than prevent the market economy from proceeding unabated. Perhaps if people like this spent time producing something that benefited society beyond enabling people to steal IP we would be much better off. Saying this tool is for recovering data is as preposterous as Winona Ryder saying she was preparing for a movie roll when she shoplifted. This site is constantly filled with people who vilify "big business" for cashing in on a commodity, then spend endless hours searching for ways to cash in on free software (good luck). E.g. I personally do not like the fact that Microsoft wants $200 for C#.Net, but instead of rallying together a team to produce an open source version (completely building off the man-years of R&D Microsoft invested in .Net) or getting a bootleg copy I just said "the hell with it". When someone is willing to pay me to use C#.Net on a solution I will spend the money, because I will undoubtedly make a number of times more using it; at such time Microsoft deserves some of my money for providing me with a tool to make money. That's the whole point here; there is no free ride because if there were the line would extend from here to eternity. What we get with stuff like this is the "little guy" sticking it to the "big guy", a formula used in movies to great success, but that in reality is just someone depriving an author, company, programmer, artist (and yes, even record company) the proceeds they deserve for providing a commodity. No one said you had to buy it if you cannot afford it, nor did they say you had like the terms of the purchase. Eventually, the whole DRM push is going to dissolve into the same faith-based system that resulted in tariffs on recordable CDs, dongles and insanely complex software registration processes; except this time it will be much worse.

To be built into Longhorn ...

[krygny]

A library that detects anything Microsoft doesn't like:

welsu_urass.dll

...---...

"How perfectly Goddam delightful it all is, to be sure." - Robert Crumb

US

[den_erpel]

I just hope this guy is not living in the US :(

Re:US

[Anonymous Coward]

Read the article! He is living in the UK.
However, that is almost equivalent to linving in the US. The UK follows the US without thinking.
Look at the Iraq situation. Everyone in the world except for the US and their blind followers sees how stupid it is to start a war against Iraq. But the UK promises support. Dumb dumb dumb.

Re:US

[den_erpel]

> Read the article! He is living in the UK.

I guess you mean "Read the article and all the links in the article" in a recursive fashion :) When having a second look at the article, it does not mention the programmer's nationality, only his homepage is on a UK URI.

> However, that is almost equivalent to linving in
> the US. The UK follows the US without thinking.
> Look at the Iraq situation. Everyone in the
> world except for the US and their blind
> followers sees how stupid it is to start a war
> against Iraq. But the UK promises support. Dumb
> dumb dumb.

This has nothing to do with DMCA or any of it's variants in different countries IMHO.

another MS acronym

[sarcast]

MS doesn't seem to have the best QA department when it comes to names. I remember for that the longest time, what is now called "Automatic Updates" used to be called the critical update notification tool. I'll leave it to the reader to figure out the acronym.

Re:another MS acronym

[ComaVN]

Of course, with that tool you receive Critical Update Messages.

Re:another MS acronym

[Eric_Cartman_South_P]

Your sig is brilliant. :) LOL.

Wrong Again...

[DickScratcher]

The correct anatomical term is the 'chin-rest'.

Re:Wrong Again...

[Anonvmous Coward]

"The correct anatomical term is the 'chin-rest'."

Okay, I have nothing interesting to add to this conversation, so I'll just share a joke that this comment reminded me of.

What do you get when you have nuts on your wall?

Walnuts.

What do you get when you have nuts on your chest?

Chestnuts.

What do you get when you have nuts on your chin?

I givmf Upfmmfm!

In vino veritas

[salimma]

There is always WINE... though having experienced the burden of running PPC Linux and telling people ' I can't use Wine, dammit!' I shall qualify it: only on x86.

Then again, using a non-free (but distributable) program to break a non-free format is not such a bad deal after all...

Why?

[darylp]

Because it 'taint' the pussy and it 'taint' the ass.

heh...utterly irrelevant to me

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd care. Maybe.

If I had any books "liscenced" that way. But I don't. And won't. Why?

www.baen.com
www.webscription.net

All the e-books I have bought can be downloaded in plain text. Not to mention the free library. Or thr Honourverse CD-ROM....

Too Late - It's on Freenet!! :)

[Corrado]

According to this Usenet post it's available on freenet with a key of KSK@MSReader_Converter.zip. I knew freenet would come in handy someday. :)

Greed

[theolein]

This simply points out the reason ebooks have, for the most part, failed miserably: Greed. The whole Software maker paranoia about controlling everything you do on a computer will always backfire in their faces. Not being able to do what you want, how you want with items that you spent your hard earned money on will always piss consumers off.

They will never accept it.

[miffo.swe]

Any form of media that goes via light or sound is impossible to protect. All you can do is play cat and mouse but in the end that is to expensive, both to the companes and the customers purchasing the products. I think most companies know this but they havent figured out how to stop widespread pirating.

One good start would be to NOT alienate customers and make it feel better to pay for the goods. That ofcourse means reasonable prices and good customer relationsships. Social protection is the only thing that helps fighting pirates in the long run.

Start working on getting better PR and treat people nicer. Work with tha customers in getting better products instead of fighting them all tooth and nail. Make it shameful to fool those nice media companies. Then pirates will exist but at a much much lower scale.

NOT SO FAST!

[mcgroarty]

Two very important things to consider about this program:

1) This program will only remove the protection when run from a machine that has license to convert the book. Somebody's got to buy the book first.

2) While the program removes the protection so that others can open it, it does not remove the purchaser information. If you share an unprotected file, you're pointing a finger at the purchaser.

I'm not sure how to feel about the program. Part of me would love to grab and sample more books. I buy a lot of ebooks and I've been burned on a good many which turned out to be pure and utter crap. Being able to sample would probably up my buying just like downloadable MP3s have. But, on the flip side, I don't know that everyone operates the same way.

good program

[Highlordexecutioner]

If you can find it

Not just deprotection - it's DeCSS all over again!

[mcgroarty]

Not only can the program downgrade security on .LIT files, it can also "burst" ebooks, breaking them down into easier-to-parse parts. This mode is activated by running the program with a directory name for output instead of another .LIT name, i.e. "clit inputbook.lit outputdir\".

For those of you who would like to read a legitimately-purchased .LIT file on a Linux or Mac machine, this is your lucky day. At least part of the program operates like DeCSS all over again.

How long before the mirror campaign starts up on this one? :)

Well, isn't that. . .

[kfg]

exactly what eBook protection is, a stupid joke?

I don't mean technically either, I mean in basic concept.

I don't know about you, but I'm simply not going to participate. If I feel the need of an eBook I'll go to Project Gutenberg. I havn't yet read all of Dumas or Dickens, the worst of which is better than any of the crap being shilled by Oprah. Twain, O Henry, GBS, Thoreau, Kipling, Swift, Sir Richard Burton, Melville, Hume, London, Conrad. . . Jesus, the list goes on for miles, all free for the taking, distributing, printing, even selling if you want.

I think it's somewhat ironic that one of the best uses of public domain eTexts is the ease with which specialty and art binders may now get source material.

So be radical. Screw MS and Adobe. Download the entire PG opus and freely *pass it on to your friends.* Print the son of a bitch and hand it out on the street corners.

Otherwise, if these people have their way, we'll have to start memorizing them and whispering them to our children quietly, in the dark, waiting for the "story police" to come and bust us.

KFG

even better

[chef_raekwon]

"I AM THE CLIT COMMANDER!!" -- Jay from Jay and Silent BOB Strike Back

Whining Off-topic

[cathyy]

I submitted this 3 weeks ago or so, the day the code was released. Anonymously, to protect the author. No, I don't know who it is.

*wave*

[Anonymous Coward]

Dan is so getting his door kicked in by a bunch of automatic weapon wielding feds.

Here's to this story becomming a made for TV movie. Detective McKennah was about to retire - but only HE can stop the mad hacker DarkShadowAngelSwordofDeathMaster69-420-24/7 from using his computer virus dubbed Shakespeare which was designed to make all modern cars drive through the nearest library and then blow up while simultaneously erasing everyones AOL account.

YAY!

Unfortunately?

[zmooc]

So...what's so unfortunate about the name Clit?

bad name = bad press

[spd_rcr]

gotta hate the names they use 'tho, how am i supposed to tell an enduser that there is now an easy way for them to get their legally purchased e-books onto their handhelds that microsoft refuses to produce a e-book ver. 2 reader for.
1. the legal implications &
2. calls may be monitored, & while quality is dumb, they don't like us mentioning the clit, or the cunt(lit) to customers ..
better to make an anonymous website & refer to all your work as concerned unofficial windows patches regardless of the use.

Re: what's so unfortunate about the name

[Anonymous Coward]

Think of it as a pre-spammed keyword - a pain [but not that kind] to search for!

Actually written by Jay and Silent Bob

[LookSharp]

Does the program's author happen to proclaim on his web page:

"I am the CLIT Commander!"

?

(Sorry, it was just such a fun movie, I had to plug it. :)

Belgium is a liberal myth!

[Anonymous Coward]

There is no country called Belgium in Europe. I live in the Netherlands, which according to the Belgium Conspiracy should be north of Belgium, but whenever I cross the border to the south, I end up in France immediatly.

Belgium is nothing more than a dangerous liberal myth, invented to boost morale of Europeans.

Re:Belgium is a liberal myth!

[SoftwareJanitor]

You are full of crap. The beer they serve at McDonald's in Belgium (Maes Pils) is much better than what they serve in France. That difference alone makes Belgium worthwhile. :-)

Re:Belgium is a liberal myth!

[saintlupus]

Belgium is nothing more than a dangerous liberal myth, invented to boost morale of Europeans.

I always assumed it was a little-used corridor between Germany and France.

--saint

Re:Belgium is a liberal myth!

[avdp]

Well, Maes Pils is hardly a good beer by belgium's standards, but you are right that it's still better than *any* beer from france :)

I claim this post for the C.L.I.T!

[Trolling4Dollars]

Log in.
Jack off.
Troll out.

Okay... So what?

[erat]

I mean, is it really that vital to decrypt and reformat these files? What kinds of things are distributed in MS's proprietary format? Are they so special that this is an important contribution to the computing world?

I'm surrounded by folks who can't live without Windows either on their desktops or their PocketPCs. I can't think of any of them who have even mentioned MS Reader.

This may be yet another example of "because I can" engineering. It may be fun for the developer and it may make some anti-MS folks giggle a little, but I'm going to guess it'll be all but forgotten in a week.

Then, of course, we'll all be reminded of it (to the point of nausea) when MS tries to throw the developer in jail...

Re: what's so unfortunate about the name

[zmooc]

Hmm. Good point. But then why did one fail to mention the name of the program in the article? There must be another reason....

yes, here

[popeydotcom]

dotlit

Misquoted.

[Anonymous Coward]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote! --Benjamin Franklin

clit?

[igottheloot]

::jay and silent bob::

"I AM THE MASTER OF THE CLIT!" ::/jay and silent bob::

I didn't have *rights* to open an eBook I bought!!

[bc90021]

I purchased an eBook that I downloaded from bn.com from one of my favourite authors. It was a Microsoft eBook, in .lit format. I didn't get a chance to read it right away, and about a week or so later when I went to open it, the MS reader software told me that I didn't have rights to open the book!

This was a book that I had *paid* for. I paid $8 for the book, and it was only available in this format, as the author (who lost a lot of credibilty in my view) only released the book in that format. Imagine, after paying for it, that I wasn't allowed to read it!! It has been on my girlfriend's computer now for six months, and I should now be able to read it, finally.

But what if this program hadn't come along? I would have had to call MS tech support to figure out why it was that their program was denying me the right to read a book I purchased. Can you imagine having to do that for every book you wait a week to read?

No, this is not a troll - it is a true story. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's had this happen, either. And before you say "You should have read it right then and there..." - I had purchased physical books that I read first. Besides, I should be able to read it at my convenience - clearly something the format wouldn't let me do.

Microsoft counters with: G.S.P.O.T.

[hoggoth]

Microsoft, realizing that even the graphic display of e-books can be hacked and copied has released G-SPOT: the "Graphical System [for] Protection Of Text".

Re:Microsoft counters with: G.S.P.O.T.

[CrackHappy]

Someone mod this up... that just killed me.

Beautiful... keep it coming. (LOL!) God, I'm making me laugh now.

Jay and Silent Bob rule!

[Anonymous Coward]

remeber the secene where Jay goes like "What the FUCK.. is the *internet*?"

man, that cracks me up every time =)

wasn't this done allready...

[Skal Tura]

And i thought this was done allready a long ago, i remember seeing some copyrighted books in m$ reader format without protections something like a year ago, correct me if i'm wrong.

It has happened before

[JackL]

I don't have the time to do the search, but I am pretty sure that microsoft has used the DMCA to remove content from /. before. Think it had something to do with SAMBA. In the end, it may not have been MS, but someone has had slashdot remove links before...

Security for books is a joke

[Anonymous Coward]

It is pointless to put lock in software for books anyway if the books are being released to the public. Books are just text (and maybe some pictures) and are easy to replicate. Ie, if I can read it I might as well type it in manually. It wouldnt cost much to do this in the third world. If it takes a week of work, it still would cost less than 5 dollars , for a few dollars more you could do spell checking and formatting too.

Contrast this with music where it is next to impossible to replicate the work

If you remember the whole thing abt US-europe copyright rules which happened in early 1900s where european books had no protection in the US and vice-versa, it might be actually possible to do this alsmost legally. Just send a mail to somebody in say Tanzania (Just rendomly picked a country in Africa, nothing else) with the relevant document and send him a check. he converts it and sends it to you. He proly breaks the rules, but figures US govt wont put effort in extraditing an ordinary citizen.

Re:Security for books is a joke

[swordgeek]

OK, your first point is very accurate, other than that it doesn't go far enough. Display a book, set up a digital camera, and run the output straight into a text recognition program. I bet you could script an entire book's text in an hour or so.

However...
" Contrast this with music where it is next to impossible to replicate the work"

Are you kidding? This is exactly equivalent, and in fact, easier in some ways. No matter how encrypted it is, at some point audio gets converted to sound. (electronic, and then acoustic). It's dead simple to tap into the signal going to the speakers, and redirect that to an ADC and then the storage format of your choice.

Lossy? Well marginally. Less lossy than MP3. Less lossy than cassette tape. Probably less lossy than reel-to-reel. More lossy than copying CDs directly.

Simple. As long as there's an unencrypted stream somewhere before our brain, it's easily breakable.

Re:Security for books is a joke

[RealAlaskan]

Just send a mail to somebody in say Tanzania (Just rendomly picked a country in Africa, nothing else) with the relevant document and send him a check. he converts it and sends it to you.

I can see it now:

DEAR SIR, I AM DR ABU OSAMA, OF TANZANIA. I HAVE ACCUMULATED US$435 MILLION BY TRANSCRIBING MICROSOFT E-BOOKS FOR YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS. uNFORTUNATELY, THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT OF MY COUNTRY MAKES IT BOTH DIFFICULT AND NECESSARY TO MOVE THE MONEY TO THE US. PLEASE SEND ME YOUR BANK DETAILS, SO THAT i MAY WIRE THE MONEY TO YOUR ACCOUNT. ....

Capslock off...

Re:Security for books is a joke

[Frobnicator]

Contrast this with music

No matter how encrypted it is, at some point audio gets converted to sound

I think he was referring to the actual live audio, not RECORDINGS.

Re:Security for books is a joke

[swordgeek]

Really? If so then, he should be comparing live audio performances to book/poetry readings.

My comparison is effectively between the recorded word, and the recorded sound. Comparing to live audio is...irrelevant.

command line version?

[radon28]

Anyone know if there are some Command Line Interface Tools that go along with this software?

Re:bad name = bad press

[Corporate Drone]

Amen! How in the world can the opponents of DRM and the DMCA expect to be taken seriously, with names like these?

sure, they're funny...in an immature, "Porky's" kind of way.

in the meantime, your average Joe Sixpack, if he's sufficiently well informed to recognize the issues, sees this, and thinks, "just a bunch of immature geeks". unfortunately, the anti-DRM, anti-DMCA will get painted with the same brush...

A Few Corrections RE: Familiar

[jstockdale]

Actually that isn't quite true. Under the Athenian system of government, a lottery was drawn every few years where approximately 5000 of the citizens of Athens were selected to be the governing body. This governing body met regularly (and its members were paid to attend) so that they could pass legislation by popular consent. Although this true democracy does depend on the desire of the majority, its structure of representative governance holds a key difference. Such a system is, however, not what we think of as democracy today, as it is too much a pure implementation.

Additionally, the definitian of an Athenian citizen was not as altruistic as merly being loyal and able to fight for Athens, rather, to be a citizen elegible to take part in the governance of the city-state, one must have both of their parents be Athenian citizens.

The more accurate consideration when examining democracy of today would be to look to Rousseau or Locke, both philosophers of the 17th century. Under Rousseau's model, upon which much of the US system today was based, the body politic is ruled by the desire of the collective body not for individual gain but rather the good of the people as a whole. This is substantially different from mob rule in which each individual acts rashly for their own benifit.

who will this really affect?

[YetAnotherDave]

The only electronic books I've bought (or even seen for sale) are from baen, either the webscription site, or the War of Honor companion CD. 5 or 6 formats, no encryption...

btw: you should buy War of Honor.

Re:who will this really affect?

[Anonymous Coward]

There are several sites selling e-books (Amazon and B&N are among them).

Basically, you can subdivide e-books in two sections:

- open e-books without copy protection, at decent prices (i.e. less than the paperback, for example at Baen: many $4, the rest $5 per book).
- protected e-books at prices that amount to robbery (sometimes more expensive than the hardcover).

This not only proves that selling e-books at affordable prices is a viable business model, it also shows what DRM really exists for.

I guess it will be no surprise to anyone that books published by the movie and music industries are among the most blatant examples of the second category (like the latest Star Trek: e-book $20, hardcover $14).

actually you still won't be able to read it

[Anonymous Coward]

if your copy of ms reader can't open it, neither can this program

Law prohibit

[oliverthered]

This would be true, except that most laws(if not all) prohibit activities, if the majority (or the vast >2/3's in most cases) believe that there is nothing wrong with xyz then it shouldn't be prohibited, are you saving society from it's self?

A libertarian would say this is different from saying that if the majority believe something is wrong then it should be prohibited.

I accasionally take drugs, and frequently forget that possession of drugs is prohibited, and yet, no-one has come to arrest me. Why?, because most people(everyone that's ever overheard/seen me), even though they may not believe that it's OK to take drugs, don't think that it's so wrong that I should be arrested. That is why the 'war on drugs' will never be won by the ummm..... who's fighting the war again.

Simmialrly, lots of people download MP3's or have 'pirated' software, I've never known anyone who would be that concerned about 'personal' use of pirated materal, even if that person only ever user pirated material. This is another war that will never be won.

Now if I were to walk down the street and hit someone with a baseball bat, the police would probably be called.

UK has had DMCA since 1998

[yerricde]

I guess he's ok if the UK never passes a law like the DMCA

Watch out. The UK has had a DMCA since 1998.

Badly written Windows apps

[yerricde]

Why the hell can't I get a 15" 1600x1200 DESKTOP LCD Monitor???

Because screens above 100 dpi don't work well with poorly written but popular Windows applications that assume you're running in Small Fonts.

Daniel Jackson

[Chacham]

I thought Daniel Jackson died and was some form of deity now.

Quote of the Month

[Glock27]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote! --Benjamin Franklin

This is a time in which our democracy could possibly turn into something much uglier.

To which I can only add:

Give me liberty or give me death! --Patrick Henry

You're all thieves and cheapskates

[Anonymous Coward]

These companies put out trial applications or full versions of older releases to encourage upggrading, it's not the same thing.

Besides, shouldn't it be up to the copyright owner to decide how their work is best promoted, not this self-appointed community of thieves, losers and cheapskates, posing as free software advocates, who with one hand loudly castigate Microsoft for their illegal tactics, while with the other crack and download reams of other people's hard work without paying for it?

This case looks less and less to me like some kind of moral position and more like one of greed, pure and simple - greed for taking stuff without paying.

Re:You're all thieves and cheapskates

[stephanruby]

"These companies put out trial applications or full versions of older releases to encourage upggrading, it's not the same thing."

No. I am talking about *new* versions of software; not trial versions, nor am I talking about older versions (like Borland). A few years ago, you could have downloaded a trial version of any Macromedia product and you could have unlocked the full version by following the instructions on the following readme file. The crack required was trivial, it was illegal to make, and the resulting software was a fully functional completely unrestricted copy of the latest that Macromedia had to offer.

"Besides, shouldn't it be up to the copyright owner to decide how their work is best promoted, not this self-appointed community of thieves,"

At the time, the Macromedia CEO wasn't criticizing the crack of his line of products -- he was boasting about it. Today, Macromedia has made its software much more difficult to crack. And please don't misunderstand me, I am not condoning nor am I rationalizing the act of cracking. In fact, in this case I suggest that we do the opposite. Dan Jackson should be stopped, he shouldn't be praised. The Microsoft ebook format is taking our rights of "FAIR USE" away and coincidently this same product has also been dying a slow natural death. So my assumption is -- that by opening up the format illegally, we are breathing life into the product, we're letting Microsoft gain market share, we're turning Microsoft into a victim, and we're giving Microsoft the future legal means to lock us back into its proprietary chains.

"Give me liberty, or give me death!"

[Glock27]

I should have posted this link:

Give me liberty, or give me death!

Check out the vocabulary and grammar. I hope we're educating comparable citizens in similar proportions today to what it was then, but somehow I doubt it...

Re:"Give me liberty, or give me death!"

[Anonymous Coward]

true ... but didn't patrick henry educate himself mostly?

Re:"Give me liberty, or give me death!"

[jazman_777]

Check out the vocabulary and grammar. I hope we're educating comparable citizens in similar proportions today to what it was then, but somehow I doubt it...

It's not to the State's benefit to have such well-educated independent thinkers. And guess who does the educating nowdays?

Problem with Bono Act: Languages change.

[yerricde]

Download the entire PG opus

So what happens when the English language has changed so much that only scholars can read English texts of the period covered by Project Gutenberg (primarily 1700-1922)? In A.D. 2401, how will PG get the money to fund a public-domain translation of those works from 19th century English to 25th century English? At this rate, there probably won't be any new works available because of the Sonny Bono Act, the Chastity Bono Act, and who knows what she'll name her kids.

"Tosh" short for Toshiba...

[yerricde]

but my tosh is running like a champ.

What do you call a program that lets you run software designed for Apple computers on a Toshiba computer?

Mac-In-Tosh!

Constitutional?

[yerricde]

you are not within your rights to break that code.

Other than the (questionably constitutional) DMCA and foreign counterparts, what law takes away my right to break the code on works of which I have purchased a genuine copy?

Re:Constitutional?

[Anonymous Coward]

YHBT. Sheesh, let sleeping trolls lie.

~~~

Now I can buy ebooks :)

[Anonymous Coward]

Putting aside the obvious jokes about the name, now that I can use them how I like (ie, on my PalmOS device) I feel I can buy those ebooks I wanted but could not use because there was no 'fair use' George Styles

Re: distribute it via a virus

[CodeShark]

Forget the direct distribution of the virus: make it an I.E. plug in (Active X) that users have to accept to view a particularly salacious web page. Have the accepted web page install and run the virus on the host machine. Then put deep links to some hot pix sites (you know the kind with *cough* comely maidens in *cough* various positions and states of undress as a "referring web master".

Shoot, you might even make enough money to pay for the bandwidth AND the attorney needed to pry your little butt out of prison... Unless of course you live and can host your machine somewhere the DCMA, etc. don't count AND where such pix won't get your head lopped off with a well-swungg sharp object....

mirror of exe

[mraymer]

Tripod is slow... I mirrored it here. It's only 30K.

Let's get one thing straight...

[Dead_Smiley]

Let's get one thing straight once and for all. The United States is not a democacy. It is a Republic. In a democacy, everyone gets to vote. In the United States, everyone gets to vote for a representative to vote for them.

Argue all you will. Thoses are the facts.

Re:Let's get one thing straight...

[Huge Pi Removal]

The US is not even what most people think of as a democracy. They are currently ruled by the leaders of a successful coup, not the rightfully elected president. Even ignoring the butterfly ballots, the number of votes that should have been discounted from the military overseas (spoilt or wrongly postmarked), but were ruled eligible by Bush's relatives would have let Gore won. Not that he'd have been much better, but at least he'd be able to read. Or think, for that matter.

Re:Let's get one thing straight...

[susano_otter]

I think more of us Americans would be worried about this so-called "coup" if we didn't have a coup every four years.

Re:Let's get one thing straight...

[Blue Stone]

"Let's get one thing straight once and for all. The United States is not a democacy. It is a Republic. In a democacy, everyone gets to vote. In the United States, everyone gets to vote for a representative to vote for them.
Argue all you will. Thoses are the facts."

democracy di-mok'ra-si, n a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people collectively, and is administered by them or by officers appointed by them...

republic ri-pub'lik, n a form of government without a monarch, in which the supreme power is vested in the people and their elected representatives.

Oh yeah.... totally fsking different.

Re:Let's get one thing straight...

[cp99]

The United States is not a democacy. It is a Republic. In a democacy, everyone gets to vote. In the United States, everyone gets to vote for a representative to vote for them.

Wow, you've just described a representative democracy.

V. Probably illegal

[dackroyd]

From the UK Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988:

(2) The person issuing the copies to the public has the same rights against a person who, knowing or having reason to believe that it will be used to make infringing copies--

(a) makes, imports, sells or lets for hire, offers or exposes for sale or hire, or advertises for sale or hire, any device or means specifically designed or adapted to circumvent the form of copy-protection employed, or

(b) publishes information intended to enable or assist persons to circumvent that form of copy-protection,

as a copyright owner has in respect of an infringement of copyright.

And seeing as the UK has no provision for fair use with regards to space shifting copyrighted material, then this guy could be pretty boned if he's sued.

What the program actually does (yes, I tried it)

[Reziac]

The program format-shifts .LIT files by UNPACKING them to a series of nicely formatted HTML files, complete with TOC and any images as JPGs. If you look at the .LIT with a hex viewer, you can see that the underlying structure is just compressed HTML -- there is even a readable listing of the original files used to make the .LIT file.

Does CLIT need to break any encryption to do this unpacking? I don't know about that -- anyone with technical info care to step in?

Point being -- the end result is just format shifting from .LIT to HMTL (everything in the .LIT is preserved, including all attributions). The real question should be, to what degree is this covered by "fair use"?? How does this differ from a format-shifted copy for personal use, frex from CD to audio cassette??

This just in: secure format cracked...

[salesgeek]

Why am I not surprised. The protect it, crack it cycle has been going on since Lotus dropped copy protection on 1-2-3. Funny part is that the vendor almost always looses.

Re:Well, isn't that. . .(Jesus?)

[gosand]

Twain, O Henry, GBS, Thoreau, Kipling, Swift, Sir Richard Burton, Melville, Hume, London, Conrad. . . Jesus, the list goes on for miles, all free for the taking, distributing, printing, even selling if you want.

Heh - could Jesus write a book so long that nobody could read it? :-)

FYI, here is a link to Project Gutenberg.

Anyone have a mirror?

[gmhowell]

Does anyone have a mirror? Can you shoot it to me via email? (address is good).

Why? My wife. You can buy books printed on Braille. For comparison, each title in LOTR costs about $100 US. Or, I can get her a reader which gets files off your PC. Problem? Not many titles available. But these files are just text. Now, there's many more eTitles available (sadly:) than Braille titles. But in the bastard format. I think this software will help get my wife more stuff to read.

Anyway, anyone with a mirror, please send me a link, or, preferably, the file.

Re:Anyone have a mirror?

[gmhowell]

Never mind. Got the file.

Whoops, correct link

[gosand]

Aww, crap. I posted a mirror. The official site is http://gutenberg.net/ . Damn Google. :-)

Re:Familiar - Another redition

[jlrowe]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb, voting on what to have for lunch.

Or as I have also heard, two men and a woman on a desert isle. You can guess what the two men vote for...

IN SOVIET RUSSIA

[Anonymous Coward]

We don't crack any more protection schemes... just in case :)

Is there someone keeping score?

[slashdotstrawberry]

I'm wondering if someone has a web page out there that lists all of the various protection schemes with their introduction date and then another column showing the work-around with their introduction dates. Formats still "un-work-arounded" would have a counter showing the "number of days" they have been "viable".

It would be interesting to see just how long the average one of these mega-buck "iron clad" protection schemes actually lasts.

Anyone know of a page like this?

What's in a name..

[Anonymous Coward]

ahh...

"Erm, I think we're all beginning to lose sight of the real issue here, which is: what are we going to call ourselves? And I think it comes down to a choice between "The League Against Salivating Monsters," or -- and this is my personal preference -- "The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society." Erm, one drawback with that -- the abbreviation is C.L.I.T.O.R.I.S."
--Rimmer, Red Dwarf

This guy is going to be so easy to catch.

[Anonymous Coward]

For a start this guy posted his real name on the website, with the e-mail address with his ISP.
Look at his ISP's user name webspace and you his Resume - http://www.jacko.demon.co.uk/cv.htm
with his home address.
Micrsoft UK branch aren't going to have difficulty tracking this guy down!!!

What's 'unfortunate' about the name?

[lonemonk]

Oh ya, I forgot You're all scared to death of women.

...does this matter?

[zenyu]

Ok, DeCSS is useful because DVD's make economic sense to own... They are expensive, but for some of my favorite movies it makes sense when I can view them because of DeCSS. But, e-Books are too expensive even if I can view them. If they cost a 1/4 what the paper version cost, I might buy some. But right now you don't even get a free copy of the e-Book when you buy the paper book. These things make no economic sense except maybe for the tiny market of illiterate and blind who want to put these things through reader software.

If they cost $2 to $5 they would make sense when you can't afford the paper version, or for reference books when you don't have access to the internet.

I can see why figuring out the Microsoft e-book encoding could make a good intellectual excercise, but he doesn't even publish the source code, much less explain how it works. Does this even deserve our attention as a hack? Perhaps he cheated and just caught the output of the e-book reader to the internet explorer component, not figuring out how to decode it at all.(I don't know if they use the internet explorer component, but they prolly do use some shared library you can wrap for the displaying of the HTML.)

Re:...does this matter?

[Frobnicator]

but he doesn't even publish the source code, much less explain how it works. Does this even deserve our attention as a hack?

Somebody forgot to read the article. The source is at: http://members.lycos.co.uk/hostintheshell/openclit .tar.bz2 and claims to be GPL.

Re:...does this matter?

[zenyu]

Oops!

I did look at the web site, but thought the only download was an exe...so I didn't bother to get it.

Fair Use...

[ScooterBill]

What we really need is a supreme court case that settles the Fair Use Doctrine vs. DCMA vs. Copyright Law, etc. I've also noticed that eBooks are getting scarcer and all the titles that I would like to buy aren't being published in eBook format. I refuse to lug around a hardcover book when I can have it on my iPaq. It's not the cost, it's the convenience. When are they going to figure this out?

Re:Fair Use...

[Anonymous Coward]

>Doctrine vs. DCMA vs. Copyright Law, etc. I've also noticed that
eBooks are getting scarcer and all the titles that I would like to buy
aren't being published in eBook format. I refuse to lug around a
hardcover book when I can have it on my iPaq. It's not the cost, it's
the convenience. When are they going to figure this out?
>
"It's the convenience." What "convenience" are you talking about fool? Lugging around a sack of batteries for your iPaq? Yeah, it'll be *REAL* convenient when a mugger bashes your skull in and takes your iPaq while leaving you bleeding on the beach.... I can see you running out and buying *ANOTHER* iPaq after dropping yours in the bathtub while reading Hustler or Playboy....

It IS open source

[Fuzion]

I don't know which pages you guys are looking at but at this site http://members.lycos.co.uk/hostintheshell/, at the very bottom there's a link to both the compiled executable and the source. And it says, "This should compile cleanly on linux and BSD, and should be easily portable. The source code is released under the GPL."

thus

[Anonymous Coward]

proving the supiror of Apple and how bad Linux is. Let the apple revolution rain supreme!!!

WHERE can it be D/Led?

[yroJJory]

I tried to D/L both the code and binary, but neither link worked (probably because Tripod generally SUCKS).

Has anyone found a mirror? Or does this application actually exist? I haven't found any posts here on /. that claim to have USED the program.

Anyone? Bueller?

unfortunately named...

[Hubert_Shrump]

C:\> clit.exe

Bad command or file name.

Guess you're right.

Re:Well, isn't that. . .(Jesus?)

[Anonymous Coward]

Jesus? write a book ? i dont know about you but my gardener only speaks spanish so I doubt i could read anything he writes ..relax its a joke...

Re:Familiar - Another redition

[charon_on_acheron]

More women??

Reason #2 *nix will never be mainstream.

[disc-chord]

Hax0rs make the stupidest names for their programs. (see also: Ogg Vorbis)

Re:I didn't have *rights* to open an eBook I bough

[ScooterBill]

Yeah, I had an eBook problem last year. Bought an eBook and then found out that it was only readable on MS Reader 2002 for the pocket PC. Well, Compaq(at the time) hadn't come up with the upgrade for the iPaq for this. So 6 months later I get the upgrade and am ready to go. Wrong! Apparently, if you don't download the eBook into your reader within a certain amount of time Amazon clears the link. Customer service finally got it to work but I could have read the book in the time I spent futzing with it.

You almost had me there.

[Hubert_Shrump]

...crap being shilled by Oprah. Twain, O Henry, GBS, Thoreau, Kipling...

What a difference a period makes.

I got to lay off the speedreading.

drink-driving

[oliverthered]

The problem with 'driving-driving' laws is that they don't target 'bad' drivers.

Ok,
you shouldn't drink and drive,
You shouldn't drive if you ...
can't see properly.
have a bad leg,
suffer from tremmors,
have a problem concentrating,
have bad migrains,
drink tooo much coffee
or are in a bad temper.

You ability to drive isn't just dependant on the amount of alcahol in your blood,

You'r far worse just after you've finished drinking (say a couiple of pints) then you will be in the morning if you drank so much you were still over the limit.

If I smoke a joint, for at least 90mins I'm a better driver, coke makes you 'perfect' in judgment but lacking in concentation....

3rd side

[sirshannon]

and your version of politics sounds like the third side of the coin (if you consider Dems and Pubs to be 2 sides of the same coin).

Reading something often does not make you close minded. I read the writings of those who disagree with my opinions MUCH more often than those who agree with me. Why would I want to read opinions that are my own? I already know them.

Re:Familiar - Another redition

[Anonymous Coward]

hot anal sex?

Free Dan Jackson!

[Eric Damron]

Just practicing...

[OT]Your sig

[TotallyUseless]

If i remember the film correctly, Robert was quoting his brother Charles when he said that.

You know what this means.

[Dthoma]

Democracy is Rupert Murdoch and a lamb voting on one to eat for lunch.

Now I'm a Bush conspiracy theorist too, but...

[Anonymous Coward]

...you need to put the book down and do something else. Seriously. Step away from the Michael Moore literature and read something uplifting like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

A thief by any other name...

[Anonymous Coward]

The true purpose of this legislative fury is not to protect copyrights but to control distribution.

Companies are trying to collect royalties multiple times for the same material. If I own a recording on vinyl, why should I have to pay a royalty for the same recording on a CDROM and again in ogg format and again on tape and again when some more convenient format comes along? Does the artist receive a royalty each time? Should he? Next thing you know, they'll want the damn royalty every time some effing jingle gets stuck in my head.
.

Let's say I've decided that all my vinyl occupies too much space and I transfer it to a couple of hard drives. I already paid for the stuff once. Is it reasonable to force me to pay again?

Legalized extortion on the part of the copyright owners redefines the concept of equitable exchange. The social consequences are pretty obvious...

It IS 404

[Anonymous Coward]

Both the source and the binary are now 404 Not Found.
This guy should have hopped on IRC and distributed it to as many people as he could who would also put it on their web sites so that, like the DeCSS source, it wouldn't die.

Re:It IS 404

[Anonymous Coward]

Try this mirror: http://mongfish.com/mirrors/clit/

Just click on the picture to download!

Re:Familiar - Another redition

[Ig0r]

Toilet seat up!

Unfortunately named?

[gruntvald]

Like your average slash reader is going to know what a clit is .... I think not.

Excellent - I've just bought an e-book.

[EnglishTim]

Due to this excellent program I have now just purchased an e-book that I had otherwise avoided because I could not view it on my Palm V. Now thanks to clit.exe and Plucker, I can.

Thanks to everyone involved!

I don't pretend to be the general case - but programs like this seem to encourage me to buy more copyrighted works - I bought a lot more CDs when Napster was still with us as well...

Source code is out

[Danj2k]

Okay, I've been getting lots of emails telling me the source and binary links on the site are 404, I know this, we were having some last minute trouble with the binary. Since so many people have asked for the source code, we've put it up anyway, but please be aware that you may have trouble compiling it under Windows. In case anybody forgot the site URL, it is http://members.lycos.co.uk/hostintheshell/. Have at it.

Re:Source code is out

[Anonymous Coward]

Dude, I noticed you're registered on h2g2 .. but you haven't been on there for over a year. Get back on there! :-)

We would like to see your valuable contributions. Thanks!

Thanks a million for the link!

[telstar]

Now thousands of geeks can finally say they've come in contact with a clit. Ya gotta figure it's about as close as most will ever get....

Re:I didn't have *rights* to open an eBook I bough

[Jucius Maximus]

"But what if this program hadn't come along? I would have had to call MS tech support to figure out why it was that their program was denying me the right to read a book I purchased. Can you imagine having to do that for every book you wait a week to read?"

This exact thing happenned to my mother but with an adobe e-book. Needless to say, Dmitry was the hero of the hour at home ;-)

make a fuss about microsoft

[ScubaS]

If this is true, which I am simply too lazy to confirm, if it is at all possible; then that's great for Microsoft. Continue to make a big fuss about Microsoft for being lame, insecure, expensive, dirty, evil, etc. and be rewarded! This will help boost popularity for all, and thou shall be rewarded with negative influence on Microsoft in the feedback loop which is created through slashdot. ebooks are not even that popular, and so it comes to my attention that by you trying to downplay MS, you make this virtually unknown product known into existence; thus furthering its market presence, by only allowing themselves to sit back and wait for someone to find a hole for them to fix immediately and let it be known publically so that people know about ebook reader every time they come to a website that seems to care, for the most part. I thank you for your concern.

Re:make a fuss about microsoft

[Anonymous Coward]

So true! I know that if you talk crap about someone without merit other than "you don't like them", usually comes back at you with the same negative feedback which you tried to persue your followers with. So I just defend Microsoft but say, hey if you want to be elite, use linux. Its more time consuming to use and learn if you never had any previous experience with it, so that means its better cause its free, and you arent locked into any contracts or EULAs since you are only binded by the GPL (oops, i guess thats a contradiction there), which can be just as harsh if you want to actually make a profit; though im sure the average joe doesn't give two hoots about who programmed a feature. More onto that, I don't think most people care, they just say "what a waste"

Re:make a fuss about microsoft

[ScubaS]

that was slightly off topic, but im not going to moderate that. i see where you are comming from, but that doesn't mean you should be ranting on MS and open source like that. I belive the origional topic was about the Microsoft eBook reader security being cracked. I belive Adobe had a problem with this a while back, which wasn't too long ago. Good for Adobe, and Good for Microsoft's eBook reader. We thank them.

Re:make a fuss about microsoft

[Anonymous Coward]

It IS true. It DOES work. Some limitations with the secured books. I was able to take some .LIT books I had actually purchased for my HP Jornada (nice affordable handheld before HP mounted Compaq, and then screwed its customers over) and convert them to PALMBook format to run on my new palm.

Just because its unknown to you, doesnt make it an "unkown" product. Barnes and Nobel has been offering ebooks in this format as have a number of other large ebook retailers for nearly 2 years now.

Belgium is an extended border.

[dark-nl]

You're mostly right. When you cross the border to the south, you end up in France. That's because Belgium is the border.

You see, the Netherlands and France don't like each other. I mean they really really don't like each other. Each country, in order to keep its distance from its repulsive neighbour, moved the border lines back a bit. And then a bit more, and a bit more... over the centuries, this has led to a wide strip of land between them that neither side wants because it's too close to the other side. And for some reason we call it "Belgium".

Mirror

[Anonymous Coward]

Here is a mirror: http://mongfish.com/mirrors/clit/

Both source and binary have been combined into one .zip file for ease of distribution.

MIRROR OF CLIT

[Anonymous Coward]

The files have been mirrored here: http://mongfish.com/mirrors/clit/

Both source and win32 binary have been combined into one file, clit.zip. Click on the picture to download.

Another mirror

[Anonymous Coward]

Try this also: http://mongfish.com/mirrors/clit/

Both source and win32 binary are in linked clit.zip.

Your system amounts to fascism

[Anonymous Coward]

Anyone who makes a habit of reading the Guardian has pretty much abandoned any claim they might have had on independent, rational thought - but fortunately, so has anyone who makes a habit of reading the Daily Mail, and the two groups should hopefully cancel each other out

Prove these points. Show me a paper or news soruce which is *not* in the business of selling an editorial line. It cannot be done. Give me some names and I will tell you the world-view they promote, either consciously or unconsciously.

My basic political belief is in the absolute minimum of government, and that decisions about spending public money should be made by the people who paid the money, not those who receive it.

Well sir, study your history and see how stable such a political system is likely to be. If you are able to think of a way to stop the disenfranchised storming the barricades and forcibly removing power from the monied classes, then you're a smarter man than 9/10ths of the political philosophers who have ever lived. Half of politics is about *preventing* the disenfranchised manning the barricades, not *encouraging* it! History proves the best way to do this is to *distribute* power as widely as possible, and not *concentrate* it.

Anyone desiring to become a professional politican has automatically disqualified themselves.
What we really need are a small group of civil servants to administer the country, but with no direct political power, and the political power to rest in the hands of people who are already accomplished in their own professions, and who can only serve one term. Perhaps politicians should be randomly chosen from a pool of people who have taken courses in history, economics, etc.

Sir, you are a fool. It is imperative that any political system enables those motivated by power to get it, while at the same time controlling how much damage they can inflict on society through its exercise. You system is a fantasy, as profoundly unnatural as communism, and would only create a huge pool of people with a vested interest in overthrowing that system and replacing it with one where they could pull the strings. Alternatively, all any good politican would do is play your new system to their advantage which would not cure the problem of how to stop politicians grabbing power in the first place.

Chiron is a fucktard

[Anonymous Coward]

There is a good reason why so many people hate you.

Good News

[f0rt0r]

I always wanted to get a few ebooks so I could have reference material with me on the go ( on or offline ) without carrying a ton of books with me. There are two reasons I haven't:

1) Forced to use the ebook on the computer I used to purchase it ( I change computers like underwear ).

2) Forced to use Microcrap software to access them.

Since I have only been to the ebooks.com site, that is all I know about them, and I don't like it one bit. I was hoping for something like PDF format that I can read in Linux, read again when I boot into Windows, and then finish reading during lunch on my PDA, all in the same day. Wishful thinking? Most likely. Anyone know a way I can do this? Post away. :-)

Re:Good News

[DivideByZero]

You can actually get real .PDF readers for Symbian, Palm and PocketPC, provided you have access to a Win desktop to do the conversion/stripdown of the PDFs on.

Or you can use this nifty new tool to generate HTML sets, then read away on any number of devices - Plucker optimized for the Handera330 is a personal favorite, but...

The source code is now available

[A.OS.L.S_Bozo]

The full source code was just posted to alt.binaries.e-book this afternoon.

Message-ID: <3e123716$0$1447$272ea4a1@news.execpc.com>

From: Dan Jackson Software <djs@jacko.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.e-book
Subject: [CLIT] Updated source code - openclit.tar.bz2 (0/1)
Reply-To: djs@jacko.demon.co.uk

Here's the updated source code that goes with the new clit.exe. This time it contains some instructions and stuff. Have fun.

I can verify that it compiles fine on

Slackware 8.1/LFS CVS (20021220) Hybrid
gcc 3.2.1
glibc 2.3.1

Here's a screenshot of it:http://ebook.ultraslack.net/screenshot.jpg
The news that the LIT format had been cracked was originally submitted to /. by
the author (incognito), myself, and others on 12/12/2002 when the author first
posted it to alt.binaries.e-book.

Of course, it didn't make the front page until somebody made a GUI front-end for it.

Anyone else not surprised?

I didn't think so.

More plausible Microsoft response

[mkweise]

Graphical System [for] Protection Of Text

A far More likely response from Microsoft: Very Agressive Goons and Intimidatingly Numerous Attorneys

Try asking a lay person's opinion on DMCA

[InfiniteWisdom]

(where a lay person is defined as a non-slashdotter, of course)

Re:Try asking a lay person's opinion on DMCA

[InfiniteWisdom]

where a lay person is defined as a non-slashdotter, of course
<p>
Because a non-slashdotter is so much more likely to have been laid...

Corruption in democracy

[dolmen.fr]

Democracy eliminated corruption.
Are you writing about Civilization, or are you just naive ?

Re:Corruption in democracy

[ComaVN]

guess

Yes but...

[Anonymous Coward]

Let's see the media publish stories about "clit" and "cuntlits" and the courts have a case where the prosecution keep having to refer to those words.
I'd sign up for voluntary jury duty just to watch :-)

Found it! And it works!

[yroJJory]

Since no one answered my question, I'll do it. Yes, the software really does exist and it did, in fact, work under both Win 98 and Linux!

verrrrrrrry eeeeeenteresting!

Last Post!

[alpg]

"The pyramid is opening!"
"Which one?"
"The one with the ever-widening hole in it!"
-- Firesign Theater, "How Can You Be In Two Places At
Once When You're Not Anywhere At All"

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