This is not all that new, but I didn't see it here yet so...
Agenda Computing has fired its CEO, Bradley LaRonde for unspecified reasons. For those who don't know, Mr. LaRonde was directly responsible for the first linux-from-scratch PDA, the Agenda VR3 as well as Linux-VR which is at the heart of the VR3. He still continues to develop for the platform AFAIK, but wasn't ever told why he was fired. Sad news for the linux PDA community.
Any signature based IDS like Snort can be used for this. and while Snort may not scale up to this level, it can surely handle the lower volumes of traffic at smaller ISPs. And this is where it is most definitely used.
Your web hosting company, your dial-up provider, or shell provider all probably use some sort of IDS, and since signature based ones are becoming the norm, it would be nothing for an ISP to create new rules to look for certain "keywords". Not that this is a bad thing. I think that the ISP has a right to know what data traverses his network.
So when you hear "carnivore this" and "carnivore that", just remember that the infrastructure for eavesdropping is already there, weather or not it goes by the name "carnivore".
There's lots of talk about the phones not being able to get a signal from a suitable cell site since the closest one was on top of one of the towers.
But it seems to me that in order to find people in this fashion, the cell phone wouldn't need to be operational in the normal sense, I.E able to place / receive voice calls, or any calls for that matter.
If the phone was simlpy able to generate a strong enough RF signal to penetrate all that debris, it would be trivial to triangulate a position from that signal.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you wouldn't need to actually 'call' the phone. and wouldn't actually have to answer or ring at all. The phone would simply have to send out RF energy, searching for a signal (cell site), which it would be doing automatically ever since it lost it's signal. Granted if the phone were able to place and receive calls it would be that much better, but perhaps low-tech is the way to go.
On another note, couldn't the rescuers use radar to search for sizeable voids in the debris? This way they could get to the areas with the best potential of having a live person in them.
Really...What's so bad about selling customer information? It's a valid product for companies to sell to other companies. It helps target products to the people who are most likely to buy them. Which is really the whole point of this free world stuff, right?
The consumer can buy what he wants to buy, and the corporation can sell what they're trying to sell.
Personally I don't really mind this type of stuff, but that's just me. The credit card companies probably sell your info weather you buy anything or not, so as a consumer you might as well get some benefit from that sale, right?
Just my opinion, so don't mod me down just because you disagree.
I never said weather I was white or black or even Asian. I just said I was American.
Why don't you enlighten me as to why white Muslims are wannabees? Since when does skin color determine religion?
Funny, Jesus and Moses and Abraham and all the other biblical figures were from what we call the Middle East... Which would make Jesus a 'sand nigger' according to you, right?
And by the same fscked reasoning you're so quick to use, white christians would be wannabees too, right?
Why don't you build it you stipid racist. And you racists like you wonder why people dislike America.
Tell you what... I'm not a 'sand nigger' as you so eloquently put it, but I am a Muslim and an American and I'd rather be mistaken for a 'sand nigger' than be mistaken for someone like yourself.
I'm sure they're talking about the cooling effect of the wind itself, or rather that of the accelerated wind. The problem is, it's not really true. Since the turbines are not powered, like a propellor is, they are not moving the air. It's the other way around. The air is moving the turbine, and therefore no accelleration is afforded. In fact, the air decellerates as some of it's energy is used to drive the turbine. The end result is that there would not actually be any cooling caused by the turbine.
I am an AT&T customer who's ability to run a server was protected by AT&T's TOS, as long as I acepted all security risks. I did accept all risks, and had my servers patched long before anyone knew about CodeRed.
AT&T then, without my knowledge or consent, made me into an @home customer, forcing me to abide by a different TOS, and didn't even inform me of this!
It was only when I brought it to their attention that my right to run a server is protected by their own TOS, that they told me that I now had to abide by @home's TOS.
It's been way more than 30 days. I was spammed by these a-holes almost 6 months ago, and i didn't opt-in. I complained to the ISP, who informed me of this predicament. They asked me to fill out an affadavit which I did. This all took place almost 6 months ago, so it's way beyond 30 days.
Here's what AT&T (@home) says about it...
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I just got off IRC with what I thought was AT&T tech support. Turns out I'm not an AT&T customer anymore. Now I'm an @home customer. Well, actually my checks go to AT&T every month, but I don't have to abide by their AUP even though my official AT&T roadrunner homepage links to their AUP.
NOOOOOO! I'm bound to @home's AUP, which is on a completely different site. To their credit, the support staff was very polite and profesional. Anyway, here's my IRC logs, so you all can see what a joke MediaOne/AT&T/@home really is. I've changed their names to protect the innocent. "Tech" is the original level-1 tech i spoke to, and "Supervisor" is his supervisor.
Welcome moo2...
Connecting to server. Please wait...
Connected to athchat03.broadband.att.com
Tech has joined this session!
Tech says, Thank you for contacting AT&T Broadband Cable Internet Services. My name is Tech. How may I help you?
Tech says, You have blocked port 80, correct?
You say, can you pls unbloc port 80 for my IP?
You say, yes.
You say, i am fully patched against codered V1&v2
Tech says, Unfortunately, the port 80 has been blocked by the broadband engineers as to combat the spread of the code red virus. Sorry for any inconvenience.
You say, blocked for how long?
Tech says, That block will be removed by the broadband engineers when the issue with the virus on the network has been solved. There is no ETA given for that removal. Sorry.
You say, your aup says that if i chose to run an http server, i assume all security
risks.
You say, it does not say that you will block access even though i asert that i assume all risks.
Tech says, The actual use of a personal web server does violate the terms
and service agreement. We cannot individually remove the blocks for computers. Sorry for that.
You say, where in the aup does it say that?
Tech says, The use of a personal web server is against the terms of service agreement. It is one reason why we do not support Windows 2000 server and only Windows 2000 professional.
You say, according to your web site, section 9b says "If Customer chooses to run such applications, Customer should take the appropriate security measures"
You say, again, where in the aup does it say that?
Tech says, This information is recorded in our @home policies pages. I will see if I can get that information for you.
You say, pls do...if it differs from the aup posted on the website, there;s gonna be a problem.
Tech says, I will send you this page in one moment.
Tech pushes page, http://www.home.com/aup
You say, i am an att customer, not @home...if @home has dift policies than att,
it was up to them to inform me when the 2 merged. is i can talk to about this?
Tech says, I have inquired about your information. The block on port 80 will
not be lifted any time soon. If you wish to talk to a supervisor, I can arrange that for you.
You say, pls do...i was unaware that i am now an @home customer. while my home page has changed to excite@home, clicking on the 'member services' link or the 'help' link, the 2 places you'd expect to find an aup, i'm redirected back to at&t's site.
Tech says, I will need some information from you first.
Tech says, May I have your first and last name, and your current phone number with the area code please?
You say, xxxx xxxxxx xxx-xxx-xxxx
Tech says, May I also get your complete mailing address with the city, state and zip code please?
You say, 9999 nw 99 st. #999, anytown fl, 99999
Tech says, Thank you for that information. I will get a supervisor for you in one moment.
You say, thanks
Tech says, I am transferring you in one moment. The supervisor's name is
Supervisor.
You say, ok thanks tech
You are being transferred to another Agent. Please stand by...
Tech has left this session!
Supervisor has joined this session!
Supervisor says, Thank you for contacting AT&T Broadband Internet Services, I am a supervisor and my name is Supervisor, How can I help you today?
You say, did Tech explain the situation to you?
Supervisor says, Yes, your are requesting port 80 be unblocked?
You say, yes, pls
Supervisor says, That is not possible at this time I apologize.
You say, ok...i understand tat you are blocking to halt codered, which is acceptable since i'm not running any commercial site...
Supervisor says, Provision 10.9 on the user agreement is the section you
should refer too.
Supervisor says, That is correct.
You say, but i'd like to know why i'm being subjected to @home's aup when i'm an att customer
Supervisor says, Actually the section I quoted is on the Road Runner agreement.
You say, can you give me a url pls?
Supervisor says, @Home and ATRunner are in the process of merging.
You say, well according to the att aup, which is the only aup i'm bound to right now, "This Agreement represents the complete agreement concerning this license and may be amended only by a writing executed by both parties. "
You say, http://help.broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp 10.9
Supervisor says, Did you receive are email regarding the issue?
You say, srry, it's 11.9
You say, no
You say, the only email was about a rate increase
Supervisor says, One moment locating the link for your user agreement.
You say, thx
w-Supervisor pushes page, http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?
content_id=354&category_id=3
Supervisor says, You should have it in front of you right now.
Supervisor says, 10.9 is applicable in this instance.
You say, ok...understood...but you have to admit that it conflicts with http://help.
broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp 9b, which says in reference to http servers "If Customer chooses to run such applications, Customer should take the appropriate security..
You say, measures."
Supervisor says, That is correct. However you are former mediaone customer and our governed under the old agreement.
You say, the old agreement is the one you just sent me?
Supervisor says, Correct. That is the agreement you would have signed.
You say, i'll have to dig through my papers, but i doubt it.
You say, anyway, on a more friendly note, are the codered hits letting up at all yet?
Supervisor says, If you have any further questions please refer to AT&T Legal demands at http://help.broadband.att.com/legal regarding any challenges.
Supervisor says, Yes the implementation of the filters is causing it to let up.
Supervisor says, I apologize for us having to take the action we did.
You say, no, i mean inbound to your routers...
You say, we saw a drastic DECREASE at my work today..sounds like ppl are patching their systems.
Supervisor says, It was beginning to bring down the stability of our network and we had to take action.
Supervisor says, That may be the case or it may be the filters we put in place.
Supervisor says, I cannot say at this time.
Supervisor says, We are in the process of contacting the affected customers at this time.
You say, well thanks for the info...and i'm gonna do some more research. if i have any problems i'll refer to the last url you gave.
You say, is there a phone number for your legal dept?
Supervisor says, Your welcome. Legal Demands Center 183 Inverness Drive West Suite 100-N Englewood, Colorado 80112 Phone: 800-871-6298
You say, ok thanks again for the info, and thanks for being so professional about this matter.
You say, g'nite.
Supervisor says, It's been a pleasure chatting with you. Thank you for using AT&T Broadband Cable Internet Service and have a good day.
You say, you too.
The session has ended
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At that angle of attack and velocity, it would have slammed into the ground about 0.10 seconds later.
Sorry. I always wanted to say that...
RTFM....
This is not all that new, but I didn't see it here yet so... Agenda Computing has fired its CEO, Bradley LaRonde for unspecified reasons. For those who don't know, Mr. LaRonde was directly responsible for the first linux-from-scratch PDA, the Agenda VR3 as well as Linux-VR which is at the heart of the VR3. He still continues to develop for the platform AFAIK, but wasn't ever told why he was fired. Sad news for the linux PDA community.
It doesn't even take carnivore to do this.
Any signature based IDS like Snort can be used for this. and while Snort may not scale up to this level, it can surely handle the lower volumes of traffic at smaller ISPs. And this is where it is most definitely used.
Your web hosting company, your dial-up provider, or shell provider all probably use some sort of IDS, and since signature based ones are becoming the norm, it would be nothing for an ISP to create new rules to look for certain "keywords". Not that this is a bad thing. I think that the ISP has a right to know what data traverses his network.
So when you hear "carnivore this" and "carnivore that", just remember that the infrastructure for eavesdropping is already there, weather or not it goes by the name "carnivore".
Whippersnapper....
Why, in my day, we had to play Wolfenstein with an Etch-a-sketch.
But at least I don't post as AC.
There's lots of talk about the phones not being able to get a signal from a suitable cell site since the closest one was on top of one of the towers.
But it seems to me that in order to find people in this fashion, the cell phone wouldn't need to be operational in the normal sense, I.E able to place / receive voice calls, or any calls for that matter.
If the phone was simlpy able to generate a strong enough RF signal to penetrate all that debris, it would be trivial to triangulate a position from that signal.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you wouldn't need to actually 'call' the phone. and wouldn't actually have to answer or ring at all. The phone would simply have to send out RF energy, searching for a signal (cell site), which it would be doing automatically ever since it lost it's signal. Granted if the phone were able to place and receive calls it would be that much better, but perhaps low-tech is the way to go.
On another note, couldn't the rescuers use radar to search for sizeable voids in the debris? This way they could get to the areas with the best potential of having a live person in them.
Really...What's so bad about selling customer information? It's a valid product for companies to sell to other companies. It helps target products to the people who are most likely to buy them. Which is really the whole point of this free world stuff, right?
The consumer can buy what he wants to buy, and the corporation can sell what they're trying to sell.
Personally I don't really mind this type of stuff, but that's just me. The credit card companies probably sell your info weather you buy anything or not, so as a consumer you might as well get some benefit from that sale, right?
Just my opinion, so don't mod me down just because you disagree.
Why was this moderated offtopic?
It it precisely ON topic with regards to the parent.
Mod the parent as offtopic, but not this.
Then again, I can see that you just have it in for me, since you modded all my comments offtopic.
dumbass.
I never said weather I was white or black or even Asian. I just said I was American.
Why don't you enlighten me as to why white Muslims are wannabees? Since when does skin color determine religion?
Funny, Jesus and Moses and Abraham and all the other biblical figures were from what we call the Middle East... Which would make Jesus a 'sand nigger' according to you, right?
And by the same fscked reasoning you're so quick to use, white christians would be wannabees too, right?
Heaven will be nice without you.
Don't speak for me you fucking idiot.
I don't want to kill off the Middle East. Just eliminate those responsible for this.
It's people like you who cause others to hate Americans.
Heaven will be nice without you.
Yes. I have a better idea.
Why don't you build it you stipid racist. And you racists like you wonder why people dislike America.
Tell you what... I'm not a 'sand nigger' as you so eloquently put it, but I am a Muslim and an American and I'd rather be mistaken for a 'sand nigger' than be mistaken for someone like yourself.
Heaven will be pretty nice without you, dick!
That's really intelligent.
Using people for something unmanned. Did you have to use both of your brain cells to come up with that wonderful idea?
Friggin moron. Why don't you just post as AC and save yourself the embarassment....Just an idea.
Good point. You're right.
I'm sure they're talking about the cooling effect of the wind itself, or rather that of the accelerated wind. The problem is, it's not really true. Since the turbines are not powered, like a propellor is, they are not moving the air. It's the other way around. The air is moving the turbine, and therefore no accelleration is afforded. In fact, the air decellerates as some of it's energy is used to drive the turbine. The end result is that there would not actually be any cooling caused by the turbine.
Does this mean we're gonna soon have a RFC-1149A [linux.com] for "ant networking". The packets would have to be pretty small I guess.
Dude, like get a fucking clue.
How do you know it was Arab terrorists? And do us all a favor and let us know how exactly you came across the great knowledge that:
"They're born and raised to think martyrdom after destroying civilian targets is the way to Mecca. "
Were you raised that way?
Are you an Arab?
Are you Muslim?
I am a Muslim, and an American. Can I blame the OK city tragedy on all Christians just because McVeigh was christian?
DO US ALL A FUCKING FAVOR AND KEEP YOUR GODDAMNED MOUTH SHUT...ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE NO FUCKING INTELLIGENCE WHATSOEVER!
YOU may have agreed to this, but I did not.
I am an AT&T customer who's ability to run a server was protected by AT&T's TOS, as long as I acepted all security risks. I did accept all risks, and had my servers patched long before anyone knew about CodeRed.
AT&T then, without my knowledge or consent, made me into an @home customer, forcing me to abide by a different TOS, and didn't even inform me of this!
It was only when I brought it to their attention that my right to run a server is protected by their own TOS, that they told me that I now had to abide by @home's TOS.
But AT&T gladly take my money every month.
So WindowsXP is going to sell for $199.
SO WHAT!
SQL Server is $1500. Who gives a shit? Why should I boycott XP just 'cause it's $199?
Why don't you people get a fucking life and quit bashing MS for no reason?
It's been way more than 30 days. I was spammed by these a-holes almost 6 months ago, and i didn't opt-in. I complained to the ISP, who informed me of this predicament. They asked me to fill out an affadavit which I did. This all took place almost 6 months ago, so it's way beyond 30 days.
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I just got off IRC with what I thought was AT&T tech support. Turns out I'm not an AT&T customer anymore. Now I'm an @home customer. Well, actually my checks go to AT&T every month, but I don't have to abide by their AUP even though my official AT&T roadrunner homepage links to their AUP.
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NOOOOOO! I'm bound to @home's AUP, which is on a completely different site. To their credit, the support staff was very polite and profesional. Anyway, here's my IRC logs, so you all can see what a joke MediaOne/AT&T/@home really is. I've changed their names to protect the innocent. "Tech" is the original level-1 tech i spoke to, and "Supervisor" is his supervisor.
Welcome moo2
Connecting to server. Please wait...
Connected to athchat03.broadband.att.com
Tech has joined this session!
Tech says, Thank you for contacting AT&T Broadband Cable Internet Services. My name is Tech. How may I help you?
Tech says, You have blocked port 80, correct?
You say, can you pls unbloc port 80 for my IP?
You say, yes.
You say, i am fully patched against codered V1&v2
Tech says, Unfortunately, the port 80 has been blocked by the broadband engineers as to combat the spread of the code red virus. Sorry for any inconvenience.
You say, blocked for how long?
Tech says, That block will be removed by the broadband engineers when the issue with the virus on the network has been solved. There is no ETA given for that removal. Sorry.
You say, your aup says that if i chose to run an http server, i assume all security
risks.
You say, it does not say that you will block access even though i asert that i assume all risks.
Tech says, The actual use of a personal web server does violate the terms
and service agreement. We cannot individually remove the blocks for computers. Sorry for that.
You say, where in the aup does it say that?
Tech says, The use of a personal web server is against the terms of service agreement. It is one reason why we do not support Windows 2000 server and only Windows 2000 professional.
You say, according to your web site, section 9b says "If Customer chooses to run such applications, Customer should take the appropriate security measures"
You say, again, where in the aup does it say that?
Tech says, This information is recorded in our @home policies pages. I will see if I can get that information for you.
You say, pls do...if it differs from the aup posted on the website, there;s gonna be a problem.
Tech says, I will send you this page in one moment.
Tech pushes page, http://www.home.com/aup
You say, i am an att customer, not @home...if @home has dift policies than att,
it was up to them to inform me when the 2 merged. is i can talk to about this?
Tech says, I have inquired about your information. The block on port 80 will
not be lifted any time soon. If you wish to talk to a supervisor, I can arrange that for you.
You say, pls do...i was unaware that i am now an @home customer. while my home page has changed to excite@home, clicking on the 'member services' link or the 'help' link, the 2 places you'd expect to find an aup, i'm redirected back to at&t's site.
Tech says, I will need some information from you first.
Tech says, May I have your first and last name, and your current phone number with the area code please?
You say, xxxx xxxxxx xxx-xxx-xxxx
Tech says, May I also get your complete mailing address with the city, state and zip code please?
You say, 9999 nw 99 st. #999, anytown fl, 99999
Tech says, Thank you for that information. I will get a supervisor for you in one moment.
You say, thanks
Tech says, I am transferring you in one moment. The supervisor's name is
Supervisor.
You say, ok thanks tech
You are being transferred to another Agent. Please stand by...
Tech has left this session!
Supervisor has joined this session!
Supervisor says, Thank you for contacting AT&T Broadband Internet Services, I am a supervisor and my name is Supervisor, How can I help you today?
You say, did Tech explain the situation to you?
Supervisor says, Yes, your are requesting port 80 be unblocked?
You say, yes, pls
Supervisor says, That is not possible at this time I apologize.
You say, ok...i understand tat you are blocking to halt codered, which is acceptable since i'm not running any commercial site...
Supervisor says, Provision 10.9 on the user agreement is the section you
should refer too.
Supervisor says, That is correct.
You say, but i'd like to know why i'm being subjected to @home's aup when i'm an att customer
Supervisor says, Actually the section I quoted is on the Road Runner agreement.
You say, can you give me a url pls?
Supervisor says, @Home and ATRunner are in the process of merging.
You say, well according to the att aup, which is the only aup i'm bound to right now, "This Agreement represents the complete agreement concerning this license and may be amended only by a writing executed by both parties. "
You say, http://help.broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp 10.9
Supervisor says, Did you receive are email regarding the issue?
You say, srry, it's 11.9
You say, no
You say, the only email was about a rate increase
Supervisor says, One moment locating the link for your user agreement.
You say, thx
w-Supervisor pushes page, http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?
content_id=354&category_id=3
Supervisor says, You should have it in front of you right now.
Supervisor says, 10.9 is applicable in this instance.
You say, ok...understood...but you have to admit that it conflicts with http://help.
broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp 9b, which says in reference to http servers "If Customer chooses to run such applications, Customer should take the appropriate security..
You say, measures."
Supervisor says, That is correct. However you are former mediaone customer and our governed under the old agreement.
You say, the old agreement is the one you just sent me?
Supervisor says, Correct. That is the agreement you would have signed.
You say, i'll have to dig through my papers, but i doubt it.
You say, anyway, on a more friendly note, are the codered hits letting up at all yet?
Supervisor says, If you have any further questions please refer to AT&T Legal demands at http://help.broadband.att.com/legal regarding any challenges.
Supervisor says, Yes the implementation of the filters is causing it to let up.
Supervisor says, I apologize for us having to take the action we did.
You say, no, i mean inbound to your routers...
You say, we saw a drastic DECREASE at my work today..sounds like ppl are patching their systems.
Supervisor says, It was beginning to bring down the stability of our network and we had to take action.
Supervisor says, That may be the case or it may be the filters we put in place.
Supervisor says, I cannot say at this time.
Supervisor says, We are in the process of contacting the affected customers at this time.
You say, well thanks for the info...and i'm gonna do some more research. if i have any problems i'll refer to the last url you gave.
You say, is there a phone number for your legal dept?
Supervisor says, Your welcome. Legal Demands Center 183 Inverness Drive West Suite 100-N Englewood, Colorado 80112 Phone: 800-871-6298
You say, ok thanks again for the info, and thanks for being so professional about this matter.
You say, g'nite.
Supervisor says, It's been a pleasure chatting with you. Thank you for using AT&T Broadband Cable Internet Service and have a good day.
You say, you too.
The session has ended
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