ISPs don't want to have anything to do with users and their infection problems. They have a hard enough time preventing the stuff from propigating: beyond that, they don't give a fuck. It's too much of a financial investment to take care of people that should either be able to take care of themselves or not be using computers.
... studies have found that the 9-11 destruction of the World Trade Towers has resulted in an overall negative sentiment towards Islamic extremists throughout the world, particularly in America.
I fail to see the benefit of gentoo in a work environment. In my experience, it requires nearly as much tinkering to "get working right" (ie, trying multiple package versions) as LFS. emerge simple streamlines some of the steps normally taken with LFS.
Some serious shortcomings in gentoo besides the above mentioned which make it inadequate for such a task: - It's time consuming to install. Time is money. Companies don't like spending money if they don't have to. - emerge doesn't do dependency checking when removing packages. For example, if I accidentally remove libc instead of glibc (for example), I've just fscked myself. - there doesn't appear to be any significant review process as Debian and RedHat has in terms of stability - Debian in particular. For instance: Someone used the fact that gentoo only requires the updating of the source code to update all gentoo machines. This isn't a good thing - it doesn't allow for a sufficient review of the code to make sure that there aren't serious problems with it. Contrast that to the armies of reviewers that debian has - even to the relatively new packages which are currently in sarge.
My personal experience with gentoo is that it's too much of a hastle to install - only marginally more irritating than LFS. The only reason to do LFS, IMO, is if you're an anal retentive control freak, have some sort of philosophical bent, or you're doing it for the learning experience - once.
I do know experienced users that use gentoo, however the majority of them are of the "I used Redhat for a short while, it sucked and broke a lot. Then I used slack, because it's leet, and now I'm using gentoo because it's leeter." Not many of them have even tried debian; several that I've convinced to try debian have started to turn their backs to gentoo to some degree. Nearly all of the people that I'd trust to babysit my servers run either debian predominantly or run multiple distros and have experience with all of them. I'd likely not want to work with someone that's so reckless to put such an untested system as gentoo in a critical role.
IBM's endorsement of Linux has added credibility and an illusion of support and accountability, although the reality is there is no 'center of gravity,' or central body, investing in the health and growth of noncommercial software or innovating in critical areas like engineering, manageability, compatibility and security.
That's an excerpt from the beginning of the article which Balmer apparently wrote. Now: look at those points. Engineering, manageability, compatibility and security are noted as areas where there isn't open source "innovating" (MS does so like that word). The last two are evidently false, as open standards and hasty security fixes can testify for. The item of "management" is also bullshit, though somewhat less so: open source projects get good management from people that are personally dedicated to the success of the project. The claim that there's no innovation in "engineering" with open source is simply bullshit, and is readily evident when you look at some of the additions that kernel 2.6 gives us, QT3 and 4, perl, and a slew of other innovative, creative engineering.
These are all MS party lines. I have no doubt that this "internal memo" was meant to be leaked. People will read this memo and think, "Oh, they're saying these things internally too; it's not a PR stunt, so they must be true!"
So, what does everyone here say? Is XML an acronym?
I've had an ongoing discussion with a friend on this matter for weeks, and it needs closure.
I say XML is an acronym. He says it's only an abbreviation. I'm not even sure what he's saying anymore. He's said things such as "SoCal is an acronym", and I'm a bit confused.
If you'd care to reference the words "acronym", "initialism", "abbreviation", and "word" in Webster's Dictionary (and whatever other dictionaries you use), it'd be helpful.
Anyway: is XML (and other "non-pronounceable" initialisms such as SMTP, FBI, et al) an acronym, or do acronyms have to be pronounceable (such as NASA, FUBAR, etc.), making XML simply an abbreviation?
That won't do a lot of good against people that don't sign that network agreement.
SDSU (That's South Dakota State, not San Diego) has connection tracking in their dorms based on DHCP lease. The lease is bound to a specific port in a switch, which then connects to a port in each individual room.
The only problem with this is that it's all but trivial to simply assign yourself a static IP address in the plethoric unused address space and forego paying their connection fee. I know of quite a few people that have done this, most of them share files (or did share files) when they were on the school's network.
So: how is the school, let alone the RIAA, going to ever find out who a given infringer is, if it's not in the DHCP lease pool with the associated room? A task on that order is somewhat more complex and daunting for the simpletons at a school like SDSU. I imagine that there are a lot of schools like SDSU - not enough technical prowess in the school's employees, nor the time to undertake this detection.
So: will the RIAA poney up the money to hire someone to find the information for the school? I'd think they should have to.
This is what happens when people don't learn the fundamental philosophy of the laws of the land in law and business school: they mindlessly abuse those laws with things like the DMCA.
A spokesman for Intervideo, Andy Marken, said the company's product is only for embedded systems and that Intervideo has no plans to release a software player for end users.]
Does this make any commercial sense to anyone else? Two million linux users, and a company has no interest in producing a Linux DVD player, depsite there being demand?
Maybe they figure that people will simply pirate it, or use the existing means for playing DVDs in linux. Wouldn't surprise me, personally. Slashdot types (and geeks in general) do tend to be known as moral relativists, and thus fairly large copyright violators.
What I see Terra doing is lumping all these things together as "Lycos" (when it's nothing of the sort, but a bunch of independent offerings with little in common for the most part). They sell the shitty, unprofitable offerings (Lycos Mail? just guessing, what with all the spam) in with the offerings that actually have some redeemable value, and thus the purchaser ends up paying a lot for the services they want to buy, and then dump 2/3rds of what they purchase because they're worthless.
Same basic thing that commercial sales folks do with damned near everything. "Free toy with meal!", etc.
Hrmmmmm I doubt it. not with that "18+ only" on their front page. MS is too conservative and mainstream for that - they'd get a huge "exploitation" hit from feminists, conservatives, and what have you. Granted,they could change that, but we'll see.
As a search technology, lycos offers little. As a portal, even less (as MS likely already gets thousands of hits at their home page).
I imagine that MS's search engine attempts might start off as licensing Google's technology and 'enhancing' it. The enhancement would be, I suspect, something along the lines of the slashdot 'section' boxes that you can add to your site.
Want an RSS feed? search.microsoft.com would have it... I suspect they'd have an RSS for damned near anything you'd want, with a minimalistic/google-like initial setup.
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Absolutely.
I can't even recall half of them anymore. There's just too many. It seems that there's more porn online now than anything else, let alone "ever before". Between p2p, broadband, and all the other 'traditional' means for aquiring the stuff, it's everywhere.
Now, being someone that isn't a terribly big fan of the stuff (it's goofy), and being a fairly big fan of the material that was there beforehand (educational, interesting things, largely), I'm a bit disappointed. All the good stuff is getting crouded out by stuff that is decidedly lower brow. There just doesn't seen to be much of the "free culture" left from what the Internet was originally. Sure, there's a slew of IT-related stuff - slashdot, sf.net, freshmeat, tldp, et al - but what about traditional sciences? They're getting crouded out.
Anyone working at MS likely has one of the longest, most restrictive "non-competes" in the industry. You really think that this wasn't thought of beforehand? Anyone working for MS now won't be able to work anywhere else for a long time to come in IT - particularly because it's getting to the point where damned near everything on the market besides those things branded "Microsoft" are competing with MS.
Want to write games? Pick from a small handful of game developers that now belong to MS, and forget the other big players. Want to work on game consoles? You can work on the XBox. Want to write productivity software? You can work on Office. Want to work on OS design? You can work on Windows. Want to work on db design? Work on SQL or "WinFS". The list goes on. Even writing a custom POS system would likely be infringing.
Can anyone think of anything that -isn't- infringing on a MS "non-compete"?
It is also hard to believe now, but all the pundits in the industry thought GUI interfaces with windows and dialog boxes and menus and mice (the Mac, Windows 2.0, etc.) were for novices and were basically toys, since they lacked the power of a command line interface.
Is it that hard to believe? Let's look at the Windows user base. The majority of the users are novices. MS markets their product to novices and people with business clout more than any other subgroups.
So how does he acertain that GUIs are indeed for power users? That's evidently what he's implying. Sounds like he's been thoroughly indoctrinated: it'd take roughly a year, I s'pose, to be brainwashed in an environment where you spend all your time, even if you're zealotous about your opposing stance - as he was.
Personally, I always get frustrated when I have to use a Windows machine. I used to think that Windows Explorer was an elegant and simplistic file manager, and I wanted something like it for Linux. Then I learned how to more effectively use BASH; I learned regexes, BASH scripting, and other such things that relate to CLI. And now? I'm constantly wishing for regexes in Windows when searching for files, listing files, or what have you. Yet there's no such functionality.
Even something as simple as file management is very un-powerful in Windows. It pisses me off thta he's got the gall to make such statements. Maybe he simply doesn't know?
What he mentions Wordstar did with Wordstar2000 (ie, radical revision and change of the product offering, with large compatibility changes) is exactly what MS seems to be doing with Windows Longhorn. I imagine Linux or Macs/OS X would fit nicely into the niche of that comparision, right where MS Word sat then.
On the other hand, MS has made such business practice the norm, not just for themselves, but for a large part of the industry. I guess it could go either way: more lockin, or less.
Quick, someone register it so you, too, can be sued for no apparently obvious or legit reason!
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I, too, am a vim user. I love it, and find much usefulness stored within its tomes. I've been using it for years on a daily basis.
However: I still find the goddamn "modes" clunky and unweildly. I invariably end up hitting 'i' when I'm already in insert mode, and vice versa - not hititng it when I wasn't in insert mode, becaues I thought I was. Likewise goes for Esc. Something like an alt- prefix to commands would be more useful, I think, and it wouldn't interfere with console breaks and such.
Anyway, YMMV, of course. I'm already ingrained in Vi, so there's really not much point in bitching, I guess.:P
"less arcane than VI"?
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Not for me it isn't. I'm more familiar than I am with VI than I am with any of those things you mentioned, and I just gave JOE a shot. I was a bit lost (well, relatively speaking. I figured things out, but it was still less intuitive - for me - than VI).
It's a matter of perspective, and that alone, IMO.
Does anyone happen to know what kind of real-world impact this will have on Debian (and thus those that run it), besides the release of sarge being delayed even further?
Does it effect simply things like firmware and other non-OSS items, or does it have broader implications for those of us that research our hardware before we buy it?
On another note, this delay further frustrates those that use and love Debian. For those of you that are like myself, and would like to see Debian have more of a business acceptance in the server room (icky, icky RPM!), do you know if there's any existing projects to have a more-recent yet reasonably stable release of debian? I realize there's sarge, which is usually good, except for occasional breaking - it's not quite good enough for production, IMO. Then again, it's more stable than RedHat, so... *wanders off*
It's called a "jobless recovery" - this kind of recession doesn't see new jobs created because things are now more automated. At least, there won't be any jobs created that you'd want to work. Care for a job in the growing field of fast-food service, anyone?
Good luck "moving up" with only a bachelor's degree in today's IT market. When entry-level positions are requiring bachelor's degree + several years of experience, and they get filled by people with masters degrees and half a decade of experience on top of that, you should be fortunate to be employed at all - many of us are not, myself included.
On the upside, there will be a slew of baby boomers retiring in the next couple of years (provided they're able to, considering they've probably driven themselves into debt throughout their lives, not enabling them to retire). There will also be much less people graduating with their bachelor's in IT due to the slump. Combined, that means there will likely be more positions opening up in general, providing a management shortage (provided the positions don't get antiquated with their last inhabitant), and a decreased amount of "fresh blood" looking for work.
I'd say chances are good that things will improve - at least marginally - within the decade.
The facility I left did not have enough money for backup servers or parts. Everything would have to be replaced after it broke and only if under warranty. (Yes, I'm sure we're in agreement on how smart that idea was.)
Urg.
You could've used Amanda - that would likely have been an acceptable hack, provided your company wasn't too large.
I'm sure someone is going to mark this as flamebait, but: this logo is shit.
Number one, it looks like a kid drew it. I know that it is, well, true, but OO.o isn't exclusively for kids, and therein lies the problem. Do you think someone will want to let their corporation use software that's best efforts in creating an aesthetic logo were of a 10 year old kid? No. Heck, I don't even want to: the logo is ugly. What're they going to do with it, put it on a splash screen?
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No it wasn't. All sources say (via google): February 17, 2000.
fuck that, I want to put a computer in a case that looks like a MadCat mkII.
I just need about 89 more tons of steel and components.
One vodka?
So is that one shot of vodka, or a 750ml/1000ml bottle?
Being russian, I'd only hope it were the 2nd or 3rd. Not a hell of a lot that a vodka shot is going to do for a man.
ISPs don't want to have anything to do with users and their infection problems. They have a hard enough time preventing the stuff from propigating: beyond that, they don't give a fuck. It's too much of a financial investment to take care of people that should either be able to take care of themselves or not be using computers.
... studies have found that the 9-11 destruction of the World Trade Towers has resulted in an overall negative sentiment towards Islamic extremists throughout the world, particularly in America.
Terrorists == terrorists.
I fail to see the benefit of gentoo in a work environment. In my experience, it requires nearly as much tinkering to "get working right" (ie, trying multiple package versions) as LFS. emerge simple streamlines some of the steps normally taken with LFS.
Some serious shortcomings in gentoo besides the above mentioned which make it inadequate for such a task:
- It's time consuming to install. Time is money. Companies don't like spending money if they don't have to.
- emerge doesn't do dependency checking when removing packages. For example, if I accidentally remove libc instead of glibc (for example), I've just fscked myself.
- there doesn't appear to be any significant review process as Debian and RedHat has in terms of stability - Debian in particular. For instance: Someone used the fact that gentoo only requires the updating of the source code to update all gentoo machines. This isn't a good thing - it doesn't allow for a sufficient review of the code to make sure that there aren't serious problems with it. Contrast that to the armies of reviewers that debian has - even to the relatively new packages which are currently in sarge.
My personal experience with gentoo is that it's too much of a hastle to install - only marginally more irritating than LFS. The only reason to do LFS, IMO, is if you're an anal retentive control freak, have some sort of philosophical bent, or you're doing it for the learning experience - once.
I do know experienced users that use gentoo, however the majority of them are of the "I used Redhat for a short while, it sucked and broke a lot. Then I used slack, because it's leet, and now I'm using gentoo because it's leeter." Not many of them have even tried debian; several that I've convinced to try debian have started to turn their backs to gentoo to some degree. Nearly all of the people that I'd trust to babysit my servers run either debian predominantly or run multiple distros and have experience with all of them. I'd likely not want to work with someone that's so reckless to put such an untested system as gentoo in a critical role.
IBM's endorsement of Linux has added credibility and an illusion of support and accountability, although the reality is there is no 'center of gravity,' or central body, investing in the health and growth of noncommercial software or innovating in critical areas like engineering, manageability, compatibility and security.
That's an excerpt from the beginning of the article which Balmer apparently wrote. Now: look at those points. Engineering, manageability, compatibility and security are noted as areas where there isn't open source "innovating" (MS does so like that word). The last two are evidently false, as open standards and hasty security fixes can testify for. The item of "management" is also bullshit, though somewhat less so: open source projects get good management from people that are personally dedicated to the success of the project. The claim that there's no innovation in "engineering" with open source is simply bullshit, and is readily evident when you look at some of the additions that kernel 2.6 gives us, QT3 and 4, perl, and a slew of other innovative, creative engineering.
These are all MS party lines. I have no doubt that this "internal memo" was meant to be leaked. People will read this memo and think, "Oh, they're saying these things internally too; it's not a PR stunt, so they must be true!"
So, what does everyone here say? Is XML an acronym?
I've had an ongoing discussion with a friend on this matter for weeks, and it needs closure.
I say XML is an acronym. He says it's only an abbreviation. I'm not even sure what he's saying anymore. He's said things such as "SoCal is an acronym", and I'm a bit confused.
If you'd care to reference the words "acronym", "initialism", "abbreviation", and "word" in Webster's Dictionary (and whatever other dictionaries you use), it'd be helpful.
Anyway: is XML (and other "non-pronounceable" initialisms such as SMTP, FBI, et al) an acronym, or do acronyms have to be pronounceable (such as NASA, FUBAR, etc.), making XML simply an abbreviation?
That won't do a lot of good against people that don't sign that network agreement.
SDSU (That's South Dakota State, not San Diego) has connection tracking in their dorms based on DHCP lease. The lease is bound to a specific port in a switch, which then connects to a port in each individual room.
The only problem with this is that it's all but trivial to simply assign yourself a static IP address in the plethoric unused address space and forego paying their connection fee. I know of quite a few people that have done this, most of them share files (or did share files) when they were on the school's network.
So: how is the school, let alone the RIAA, going to ever find out who a given infringer is, if it's not in the DHCP lease pool with the associated room? A task on that order is somewhat more complex and daunting for the simpletons at a school like SDSU. I imagine that there are a lot of schools like SDSU - not enough technical prowess in the school's employees, nor the time to undertake this detection.
So: will the RIAA poney up the money to hire someone to find the information for the school? I'd think they should have to.
That's a nice idea. However: how many people do -you- know that don't at least have a couple "illegal" MP3s on their system?
Not many, here.
This is what happens when people don't learn the fundamental philosophy of the laws of the land in law and business school: they mindlessly abuse those laws with things like the DMCA.
JV How many Linux users are there?
TT: About two million.
A spokesman for Intervideo, Andy Marken, said the company's product is only for embedded systems and that Intervideo has no plans to release a software player for end users.]
Does this make any commercial sense to anyone else? Two million linux users, and a company has no interest in producing a Linux DVD player, depsite there being demand?
Maybe they figure that people will simply pirate it, or use the existing means for playing DVDs in linux. Wouldn't surprise me, personally. Slashdot types (and geeks in general) do tend to be known as moral relativists, and thus fairly large copyright violators.
What I see Terra doing is lumping all these things together as "Lycos" (when it's nothing of the sort, but a bunch of independent offerings with little in common for the most part). They sell the shitty, unprofitable offerings (Lycos Mail? just guessing, what with all the spam) in with the offerings that actually have some redeemable value, and thus the purchaser ends up paying a lot for the services they want to buy, and then dump 2/3rds of what they purchase because they're worthless.
Same basic thing that commercial sales folks do with damned near everything. "Free toy with meal!", etc.
Hrmmmmm I doubt it. not with that "18+ only" on their front page. MS is too conservative and mainstream for that - they'd get a huge "exploitation" hit from feminists, conservatives, and what have you. Granted ,they could change that, but we'll see.
As a search technology, lycos offers little. As a portal, even less (as MS likely already gets thousands of hits at their home page).
I imagine that MS's search engine attempts might start off as licensing Google's technology and 'enhancing' it. The enhancement would be, I suspect, something along the lines of the slashdot 'section' boxes that you can add to your site.
Want an RSS feed? search.microsoft.com would have it... I suspect they'd have an RSS for damned near anything you'd want, with a minimalistic/google-like initial setup.
Absolutely.
I can't even recall half of them anymore. There's just too many. It seems that there's more porn online now than anything else, let alone "ever before". Between p2p, broadband, and all the other 'traditional' means for aquiring the stuff, it's everywhere.
Now, being someone that isn't a terribly big fan of the stuff (it's goofy), and being a fairly big fan of the material that was there beforehand (educational, interesting things, largely), I'm a bit disappointed. All the good stuff is getting crouded out by stuff that is decidedly lower brow. There just doesn't seen to be much of the "free culture" left from what the Internet was originally. Sure, there's a slew of IT-related stuff - slashdot, sf.net, freshmeat, tldp, et al - but what about traditional sciences? They're getting crouded out.
That would be pretty useless.
Anyone working at MS likely has one of the longest, most restrictive "non-competes" in the industry. You really think that this wasn't thought of beforehand? Anyone working for MS now won't be able to work anywhere else for a long time to come in IT - particularly because it's getting to the point where damned near everything on the market besides those things branded "Microsoft" are competing with MS.
Want to write games? Pick from a small handful of game developers that now belong to MS, and forget the other big players. Want to work on game consoles? You can work on the XBox. Want to write productivity software? You can work on Office. Want to work on OS design? You can work on Windows. Want to work on db design? Work on SQL or "WinFS". The list goes on. Even writing a custom POS system would likely be infringing.
Can anyone think of anything that -isn't- infringing on a MS "non-compete"?
It is also hard to believe now, but all the pundits in the industry thought GUI interfaces with windows and dialog boxes and menus and mice (the Mac, Windows 2.0, etc.) were for novices and were basically toys, since they lacked the power of a command line interface.
Is it that hard to believe? Let's look at the Windows user base. The majority of the users are novices. MS markets their product to novices and people with business clout more than any other subgroups.
So how does he acertain that GUIs are indeed for power users? That's evidently what he's implying. Sounds like he's been thoroughly indoctrinated: it'd take roughly a year, I s'pose, to be brainwashed in an environment where you spend all your time, even if you're zealotous about your opposing stance - as he was.
Personally, I always get frustrated when I have to use a Windows machine. I used to think that Windows Explorer was an elegant and simplistic file manager, and I wanted something like it for Linux. Then I learned how to more effectively use BASH; I learned regexes, BASH scripting, and other such things that relate to CLI. And now? I'm constantly wishing for regexes in Windows when searching for files, listing files, or what have you. Yet there's no such functionality.
Even something as simple as file management is very un-powerful in Windows. It pisses me off thta he's got the gall to make such statements. Maybe he simply doesn't know?
What he mentions Wordstar did with Wordstar2000 (ie, radical revision and change of the product offering, with large compatibility changes) is exactly what MS seems to be doing with Windows Longhorn. I imagine Linux or Macs/OS X would fit nicely into the niche of that comparision, right where MS Word sat then.
On the other hand, MS has made such business practice the norm, not just for themselves, but for a large part of the industry. I guess it could go either way: more lockin, or less.
axa-insured.com seems to be available...
Quick, someone register it so you, too, can be sued for no apparently obvious or legit reason!
I, too, am a vim user. I love it, and find much usefulness stored within its tomes. I've been using it for years on a daily basis.
:P
However: I still find the goddamn "modes" clunky and unweildly. I invariably end up hitting 'i' when I'm already in insert mode, and vice versa - not hititng it when I wasn't in insert mode, becaues I thought I was. Likewise goes for Esc. Something like an alt- prefix to commands would be more useful, I think, and it wouldn't interfere with console breaks and such.
Anyway, YMMV, of course. I'm already ingrained in Vi, so there's really not much point in bitching, I guess.
Not for me it isn't. I'm more familiar than I am with VI than I am with any of those things you mentioned, and I just gave JOE a shot. I was a bit lost (well, relatively speaking. I figured things out, but it was still less intuitive - for me - than VI).
It's a matter of perspective, and that alone, IMO.
Does anyone happen to know what kind of real-world impact this will have on Debian (and thus those that run it), besides the release of sarge being delayed even further?
Does it effect simply things like firmware and other non-OSS items, or does it have broader implications for those of us that research our hardware before we buy it?
On another note, this delay further frustrates those that use and love Debian. For those of you that are like myself, and would like to see Debian have more of a business acceptance in the server room (icky, icky RPM!), do you know if there's any existing projects to have a more-recent yet reasonably stable release of debian? I realize there's sarge, which is usually good, except for occasional breaking - it's not quite good enough for production, IMO. Then again, it's more stable than RedHat, so... *wanders off*
It's called a "jobless recovery" - this kind of recession doesn't see new jobs created because things are now more automated. At least, there won't be any jobs created that you'd want to work. Care for a job in the growing field of fast-food service, anyone?
Good luck "moving up" with only a bachelor's degree in today's IT market. When entry-level positions are requiring bachelor's degree + several years of experience, and they get filled by people with masters degrees and half a decade of experience on top of that, you should be fortunate to be employed at all - many of us are not, myself included.
On the upside, there will be a slew of baby boomers retiring in the next couple of years (provided they're able to, considering they've probably driven themselves into debt throughout their lives, not enabling them to retire). There will also be much less people graduating with their bachelor's in IT due to the slump. Combined, that means there will likely be more positions opening up in general, providing a management shortage (provided the positions don't get antiquated with their last inhabitant), and a decreased amount of "fresh blood" looking for work.
I'd say chances are good that things will improve - at least marginally - within the decade.
I doubt that's too encouraging, though.
The facility I left did not have enough money for backup servers or parts. Everything would have to be replaced after it broke and only if under warranty. (Yes, I'm sure we're in agreement on how smart that idea was.)
Urg.
You could've used Amanda - that would likely have been an acceptable hack, provided your company wasn't too large.
I'm sure someone is going to mark this as flamebait, but: this logo is shit.
Number one, it looks like a kid drew it. I know that it is, well, true, but OO.o isn't exclusively for kids, and therein lies the problem. Do you think someone will want to let their corporation use software that's best efforts in creating an aesthetic logo were of a 10 year old kid? No. Heck, I don't even want to: the logo is ugly. What're they going to do with it, put it on a splash screen?