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People Feel Loyalty To Computers

stoobthealien writes "According to BBC News researchers have discovered that people have loyalty to specific computers because of a tendancy to associate "human attributes to them" - and I thought it was just me that speaks to my PC...."

476 comments

  1. Voice Synth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Wait until they perfect voice synth. Then we are really going to hear it!

    1. Re:Voice Synth by naiv · · Score: 2, Funny

      i have caught myself on 2 occasions saying goodnight to my computer. that was scary.

    2. Re:Voice Synth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Machines have personality. Heck, I've met machines with more personality than some people I've had the misfortne of meeting.

      ex: My car: It's got it's own personality. It dosen't like my wife at all, but I've never had a problem with it.

      You just gotta' sweet talk 'em.

    3. Re:Voice Synth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have told Windows
      "Asta La Vista"

    4. Re:Voice Synth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spear the sight?

  2. I know what they mean by Erect+Horsecock · · Score: 2, Funny

    My iBook loves me. No, really! My iPod told me so, it said the iBook was just shy and didn't think I felt the same way.

    But I do....

    <3

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    1. Re:I know what they mean by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just be careful... I've seen some Macintoshes go into a state of suicidial depression. First they start being sad all of the time, and when they're sad they're demanding attention before they'll work again. Then they start pulling bombs out of nowhere...

    2. Re:I know what they mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Just read the BBC article and look at the picture of Professor on the website. He is an Indian. They are everywhere !!

    3. Re:I know what they mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not the fault of the Macintosh. The bombs are placed by hackers who want to blow up your computer over the internet, a scheme in which the Macintosh is but a pawn.

    4. Re:I know what they mean by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you're talking about. I keep getting bomb threats from KDE.

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    5. Re:I know what they mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I used to turn of Speech Recognition and Text-to-Speech on, then use AppleScript to reply to me. When I curse "Fuck you", it said "your place or mine?". See, even when I am mad, my Mac loved me. Geeks here probably recognize the reply from Matlab v. 5 and earlier. :)

    6. Re:I know what they mean by Lancer · · Score: 2, Funny

      You really shouldn't anthropomorphize computers -- they hate that.

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    7. Re:I know what they mean by Dolda2000 · · Score: 1

      I thought that was computers running Windows that behaved like that?

    8. Re:I know what they mean by darqchild · · Score: 1

      zeeky boogie doog. >:)

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    9. Re:I know what they mean by tonywong · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, judging by all the replies it's the usual slashdot didn't rtfa. That's OK, since the article is junk. No stats, nothing but saying people went to the same terminals even if there's a lineup for a particular one.

      It didn't bother to ask if the position of the terminal in the room made any difference, or if they marked the terminals and then moved them around to see if people followed them. I remember going to one or two terminals in University because they gave me a little more privacy, less people to shoulder surf me so I could check my mail or view pr0n or whatever I wanted.

    10. Re:I know what they mean by aminorex · · Score: 1

      My computer hates it when I anthropomorphize it.

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  3. Uhhhhhh by ev1lcanuck · · Score: 4, Funny

    What I feel towards my Windows box is something other than loyalty....

    1. Re:Uhhhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hei hei mikä sulla on, olet onneton...

    2. Re:Uhhhhhh by JaxWeb · · Score: 1

      I know how you feel. The very reason I am reading Slashdot right now is because I was using windows, Word crashed, and I'd suddenly found out it wasn't saving when I told it do. Thank god for backups.

      So, being a bit pissed about that, I thought I'd come to /. to calm down. And then I hear that we all love our computers?! Not at the moment!

      Saying that, it isn't my computer I am angry at right now. I've never once had a crash in OpenOffice....

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    3. Re:Uhhhhhh by Uber+Banker · · Score: 1

      I've never once had a crash in OpenOffice....

      Yet you were still using M$ Word? Is this because OO was such a hog of system resources and so slow you couldn't be bothered with it, or is it because of the superior functionality of M$ Word? I've never had Word XP crash in 2 years of usage, despite daily working with large documents including live links to Excel and other apps.

    4. Re:Uhhhhhh by screwballicus · · Score: 3, Interesting


      I don't know. The more flawed the system, the more I find myself nostalgicaly cherishing it for its flaws, in the way one looks back in foolish nostalgia on what were at the time the most irritating aspects of a relationship.

      For example, I think I have more affection for my TI 99/4A (why else would I regularly take pictures of it) than for any other system, all the more so due to its terrible system architecture (16-bit CPU with everything but 256 bytes of CPU RAM on an 8-bit bus), and due to the irritation of trying to get games running off of what is sometimes an infuriating cart+casette combo.

      You really value and develop a relationship with your system when it takes genuine effort to get the bloody software working (e.g., off of casettes, and sometimes having to type it out manually in line number BASIC).

    5. Re:Uhhhhhh by JaxWeb · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Is this because OO was such a hog of system resources and so slow you couldn't be bothered with it" - Not really. It seems okay to me.

      "or is it because of the superior functionality of M$ Word?"

      In a way. The User Interface of MS Word is so much better than OpenOffice. Word just looks nice, and is easy to use. Since I was working on something which required quite a bit of thinking, I couldn't be bothered to have to think about the program I was using too. I mights as well be using VI with the User Interface of OpenOffice.

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    6. Re:Uhhhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too subtle.

      And you'll probaby be modded up as "Insightful" because the mods are afraid to admit they have no clue what you're talking about.

      Life goes on...

    7. Re:Uhhhhhh by grepistan · · Score: 1

      OO is slow as hell on my Redhat system too. Probably because I'm merely a neophyte and haven't compiled my own kernel yet though.

      Much as I may dislike M$'s business methods, I have to say Office is good software.

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    8. Re:Uhhhhhh by galaxy300 · · Score: 1

      "You really value and develop a relationship with your system when it takes genuine effort to get the bloody software working (e.g., off of casettes, and sometimes having to type it out manually in line number BASIC)."

      That's exactly the reason some people buy and maintain antique Italian sports cars.

    9. Re:Uhhhhhh by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Yep, I hear that one. I have an old 286 that was my first really useful computer, the one that I learned so thoroughly that I knew every one of its 693 files by sight and knew the meaning of every tweet and click from the HD. Having to optimise that old beast taught me more than any new computer possibly could have. And tho "Wedgie" is essentially retired, no way would I part with it.

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    10. Re:Uhhhhhh by Fred_A · · Score: 1
      The single fact that when you move the scroll bar, the text window doesn't move in Word always pisses me off enough to immediately install OOo on that particular machine (although I usually bring a laptop along whenever I know I'll be stuck with vanilla Windows).

      It's been what, 15 years ? And they still couldn't get that right ? Sheesh..

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    11. Re:Uhhhhhh by JaxWeb · · Score: 1

      Move the scroll-bar? What do you mean? (I'm not being pedantic, I don't know what you mean)

      When I move the tracker on the scrollbar the text scrolls fine. Maybe there is an option for it?

      Or was that not what you meant?

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    12. Re:Uhhhhhh by Fred_A · · Score: 1
      I mean the vertical scroll bar. Clicking (and holding) the elevator and moving the mouse doesn't move the text until you release the mouse button (at least up to word 97, I haven't tried any later versions).

      That and the fact that in windows where the movement of the vertical elevator is bound (in real time) to the movement of the content of the mouse, the content snaps back to it's original position if the mouse cursor moves horizontally away more than X pixels from the scrollbar.

      Lots of little things like that irritate me to no end when I have to use Windows. Might be fixed in XP, but nowadays I only use it to run games so I don't really get to see much of it's interface. The few sites where I have to use Windows are either on NT4.something or on Win98... So these are still issues there... :(

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    13. Re:Uhhhhhh by JaxWeb · · Score: 1

      Yeah I'm pretty sure what you are describing is fixed in Word 2000. Word '97 was a mess, imho.

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    14. Re:Uhhhhhh by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Good to know they finally fixed that. It has bugged me since windows 3...

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  4. Unrequited love by rueger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sadly our computers seem less inclined to share that love...

    "Open the pod bay door HAL...."

    1. Re:Unrequited love by lawngnome · · Score: 5, Informative

      HAL wasnt evil, he just got really paranoid because they gave him a complete set of instructions to carry out the mission in the event that the humans failed and told him to lie about it, which because he was designed to provide accurate information caused the conflict... this is explained in 2010...
      On a side note, is it just me or does the computer nerd that figures this out in the movie have something for hal? that long pause and "thank you hal..." at the end was creepy.

    2. Re:Unrequited love by tunabomber · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bad example. HAL seemed to like Dave until he decided to deactivate HAL. Just imagine how your human love would react if she heard you were going to "deactivate" her... somehow I suspect she'd be a little less polite than saying "I'm sorry Dave, but I can't allow you to do that."

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    3. Re:Unrequited love by Simonetta · · Score: 5, Funny

      If she would be willing to open the pod bay door more often, then I'd be happy to activate her more often.

    4. Re:Unrequited love by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My relationship with my computer is purely sexual :-)

    5. Re:Unrequited love by Rew190 · · Score: 1

      Hah... funny post dude.

    6. Re:Unrequited love by lactose99 · · Score: 1

      OB MATRIX REFERENCE

      If you've seen The Animatrix, this is really how the war versus man and AI began.

      The Second Renaissance, Part I & Part II

      Quite possibly some of the most intense cartoonage I've ever seen.

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    7. Re:Unrequited love by Reivec · · Score: 1

      lol, I laughed my ass off at that. I would have just modded you up, but you were already at 5 so I felt the need to reply as to show graditude for such great humor :)

  5. But they're all supposed to be equal... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In a college computer lab, all of the terminals in a group are supposed to be identical and interchangable. However, it seems like users are building up a trust relationship with the computer they've used sucessfully before rather than wanting to take the chance with a computer they haven't met yet. It's almost as if users are presuming that most unfamiliar computers will fail on them...

    1. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not reliability...

      They go where they've already got their P0rn/Games stashed.

    2. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by value_added · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In Vegas you can witness the the same behaviour around slot machines. Maybe they know something the rest of don't?

    3. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Tiberius_Fel · · Score: 1

      Well, you might take into consideration what sort of users you have. In my school's computer lab I often work on one particular computer (it's the one in the corner), and that's because it has all the stuff I really use loaded on it (i.e. IRC / AIM), as well as I keep it clean from spyware, defrag the HD, et cetera, et cetera. That's pretty much why I'm always at that one - you might get that a lot with computer types.

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    4. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by gabebear · · Score: 1
      Lab computer floppy drives are often broken and are some of the worst for destorying disks(springs from disks are left in the drive). If you are using floppies then going with a computer you have used succesfully before may save you a headache.

      I've just been using my iPod to boot one of the G4s in our lab.

    5. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think there's a large amount of unconscious thought & actions going on with computer use, which may end up being a large part of what's happening here. Not the least of which is WHERE a machine is. I like corners, so I used to sit in the corner and use the 3 machines around there, but thats just me. Other people liked edges.

      Add to that the subtle signals we pick up when using a machine. Usually there will be little idiosyncrasies in a group situation, where a dozen computers might all sound a little different. whine differently. have their volume set just a little different compared to others, and the ones people are used to, or perhaps even NOTICE this about will be the ones they're drawn to.

      I think the unconscious thought thing applies a great deal to Macs, PCs, Linux boxes. The first time I touched a Linux machine which was supposed to be stable, I locked it up. Why? I don't know. I can only guess that its user (a cousin) had his definition of "stable" defined by the routine of uses he went through every time he booted it, and never came across the particular odd combo I did. I found my Windows machine at the time stable as well (Win 98) but it'd guarantee to lockup within a few hours of use by someone who isn't me. non consciously, I think I'd learned to avoid the things to do that would crash it.

      Bet it's similar with OSX boxes. put a windows or linux user who's never touched one before in front of it and it'll bluescreen, kernel panic or beachball soon after use, until they also built up the internal map of what not to do.

    6. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Aim+Here · · Score: 1

      When I was at university, I used to have two or three favourite computers in the labs- they were the ones hidden away in the corner, where the user-support types couldn't peer over my shoulder and see me playing nethack or X-com or whatever - gaming was outlawed. Maybe these anthropologist types missed something obvious...

    7. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Spoing · · Score: 5, Informative
      1. In a college computer lab, all of the terminals in a group are supposed to be identical and interchangable. However, it seems like users are building up a trust relationship with the computer they've used sucessfully before rather than wanting to take the chance with a computer they haven't met yet. It's almost as if users are presuming that most unfamiliar computers will fail on them...

      I had the same problem with department groups. By contract with the primary customer, the subcontractors were told "no departmental 'ownership' of machines not in offices". That meant specifically no pictures, no knick-knacks, all documents locked up in another room when the worker goes home. No labels on machines.

      Two things destroyed this idea;

      IT never got out of firefighting mode to impose standards.

      Departments and individuals immediately took the attitude "if I'm not here, others can use my machine" as if that would satisfy the contract requirements.

      Reasons for why this does not work -- and many machines and people ended up being idle -- were basically;

      Without being able to sit down anywhere (possible if IT did make that possible), people stopped trying to use just any machine and focused on one or a small group "in our area".

      People would stop working if a specific -- "my machine" mentioned above -- was not available.

      Add to this lack of customer interest and management, and this becomes a bit of meat to fight over when other tensions arise.

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    8. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At my lab, some machines work, some don't. Some can't connect to the network for example. There's a list on the chalkboard letting you know which machines need maintenance. So everyone knows PC34 is wonky for example. That's the only reason I use certain machines in the lab.

    9. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by digitalsushi · · Score: 3, Informative

      I read that slot machines on the corners are rigged to win more often, cause they're the most visible. So always play the corner ones cause they got that extra 1-3% favor. :D

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    10. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Hoplite3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are other factors too. A clean keyboard, mouse, and monitor will lead me to pick one machine over another. The only thing worse than skicky keys is wondering how they got sticky in the first place.

      Also chairs: Most colleges seem to buy "computer chairs" made out of stamped metal, cardboard, and good wishes. They have wheels that will break befor they roll, height adjustments that are stuck in the lowest position, and back adjustments that break so as to leave pieces of metal poking you in the back. I'd rather have one well-built wooden chair than a succession of cheap-ass "computer chairs", no matter how they are padded. And I'd pick my computer based on the chair as well.

      Also tables: They aren't all level, and that really sucks. Nothing worse than seasickeness as the monitor sways too and fro as you lean over to use the mouse. You might be able to snag another chair to put in front of your favorite keyboard, but good luck switching tables. (yeah, yeah, just switch keyboards -- but the lab assistants look at you funny when you do that.)

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    11. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by irokitt · · Score: 1

      You're very right. I have to deal on a constant basis with people who want me to move so they can "use MY computer" (their words, not mine). Of course, the network at my school is open enough that I can grab files from one computer and put them on another.

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    12. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by jred · · Score: 3, Informative

      I used to work in the industry, and to a point this is true. Also the machines next to the cashiers, and the ones you see when you first walk in the door.

      That doesn't mean the other machines will never hit, or that the "visible" ones always hit. The ones at the bar are typically the worst.

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    13. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Orestesx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It has nothing to do with the computer! Have you ever noticed that people will go back to the same seat in a classroom, even if they know no one in the class and there is not assigned seating? Humans are creatures of habit, plain and simple.

    14. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, in Vegas, slot machines that look identical don't have to be. The key is in the PRNG (psuedo random number generator) chip installed in each. They don't have a "memory" of what they did last, but there are some PRNGs that are "looser" and "tigher" over time. Players can't exactly figure out where the looser machines are, however, because it'd take a large number of plays to notice a difference.

    15. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by bcrowell · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What they're describing seems to be the same sort of behavior I see with my physics students always sitting in the same chair for lecture, and always wanting to have the same people in their lab group.

      The article also seems to imply that attachment to a specific machine is irrational, but given how complex and unreliable computers are, it seems very sensible to me. If you know that you can do what you want on a particular machine, why introduce an extra unknown variable by switching to a different one?
      But they're all supposed to be equal...
      In the classroom where I do most of my teaching, typically only 4 or 5 of the six Windows machines are working at any given time. The other ones either have a virus/worm infection, or something else is wrong with them.

      What's really irrational is to expect people to stay on the hardware and software upgrade treadmills. If you've got something that works, you should be able to stick with it. My father ran his law practice on a TRS-80 for ca. 15 years. It Just Worked.

      BTW, I'm posting this from my FreeBSD box, Rintintin. He's the replacement for Lassie. I felt kind of bad about switching, but Lassie is in one of the classrooms at school now, hopefully turning young minds on to open source :-) --- I think she's OK with that.

    16. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the least of which is WHERE a machine is. I like corners, so I used to sit in the corner and use the 3 machines around there, but thats just me. Other people liked edges.

      Absolutely. And it's not just in computer labs either - it's everywhere. Students in lecture theatres go to the same area of the room week in, week out. If a bus or train isn't full, people will head towards the same seats every morning. In the canteen at lunch time, everyone has their own table.

      A fair test might be to number the computers, and to randomly move them around each day. I believe that people would be more likely to stick to a specific seat than a specific machine.

    17. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is exactly why good testers are rare, and developers are sometimes the worst testers. Testers need to find bugs instead of intuitively avoiding them.

    18. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      What you outlined here is basically what I thought would happen with Sun's 'mobile desktop' initiative (or whatever it was called), where they had everyone in the company not have a specific "workstation" but had them in pods.

      I think a better idea would be to give everyone their own cart with their own equipment. The cart would have a PC, monitor, and what have you, as well as an attached chair of some sort (possibly customizeable? maybe have the chair seperate). The carts/PCs (or just give everyone a laptop, they're almost cheap enougn now) would have wireless, and the seperate WLANs of the building would be connected via cable. There would also be cable and power plugins throughout the room (floor, walls, and what have you) so that people could easily access resources. The power and network cords would be similar to vacuum cables: they'd self-coil so that the user wouldn't have to concern themselves with a tangle of wires. Their workstations would have a collapseable "desktop" so that the unit oculd be moved easily (pull a couple cotter pins, and move it down the hall), as well as a built-in file cabinet and even bookshelf for important things that they need to perform their job.

      Then the person could work anywhere in the office ,get together with a couple people and work on a specific project, and what have you, while the users would still be able to have their 'safety zone' - their area that they work, and that they're familiar with. Everyone has a comfort zone (determined by personality, mood, and other such factors), and if you're forced to work outside of it, you become less efficient. People should at least have the option of having an office or cubical (I'd vote against cubes in general, personally).

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    19. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "In Vegas you can witness the the same behaviour around slot machines. Maybe they know something the rest of don't?"

      Not so surprising. I think the rationale is along the lines of "This machine has to spew out a lot of money at SOME point in its existence. So the longer I stay with this one, the more my odds go up that I'll be the one who pulls the lever at the right time." They feel that if they go around to other machines, they'll catch them at different points in their lives and have lower risk of winning.

      I'd like to think that people are stupid about this, but I have to be honest, it's exactly the strategy I'd employ.

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    20. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      Ummm... I know people who have looked at machines and caused them to crash. So I'm not sure if it always has something to do with the input.

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    21. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by E_elven · · Score: 1

      They have to have some memory of what happened because the state laws regulate the amount of winnings that has to be paid in relation to the money coming in. It doesn't mean the machine will spit out a $20 every $2341 dollars, but there is a tracking mechanism.

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    22. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by E_elven · · Score: 1

      People are stupid about it. What you do is wait for someone else to play a particular machine for a long time and then go play it.

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    23. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the least of which is WHERE a machine is. I like corners

      I have yet to find a computer lab in the basement of the engineering building. Preferably with only one computer and a bunch of Maxim magazines.

    24. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      State law regulates the minimum odds of winning at a slot machine, which means there's a cap for the "tightest" PRNG chip they can use. They likely do keep some record of the transactions for accounting purposes, but that'll have no effect on the PRNG's decisions.

    25. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by junglee_iitk · · Score: 1

      Though there is a possibility that humans tend to attach feelings to a computer they use, I suspect that any survey would ever disclose it. Especially a survey which is conducted among people working on a network.

      For me, I do love my computer ;). And I also like to use only one computer in my institute. But that is only because I have my BIG profile saved on that computer.

      Given a choice to select my computer and someone else's computer, both totally in same condition, I would prefer mine. But that is not something specific to computers! I will always prefer something I have worked with(on).

    26. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by RobinH · · Score: 1

      They have to have some memory of what happened because the state laws regulate the amount of winnings that has to be paid in relation to the money coming in. It doesn't mean the machine will spit out a $20 every $2341 dollars, but there is a tracking mechanism.

      As I understand it, the machines are networked together casino-wide, and the payouts are tracked. If it determines that they need to payout more, then it adjusts the probabilities. However, I always figured they did it across the board, on all machines, not just on the ones that haven't paid out in a while.

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    27. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      Basically while using windows unless you have roaming profiles set up, and all software on network installs which work from all workstations, you don't have the ability to sit down anywhere and work, period.

      The only way to achieve this other than network-installed applications (many windows applications will simply not work unless they have been "properly" installed on your machine with a bunch of common components and registry entries) is to have a limited number of types of machines and image them aggressively with the current set of applications.

      The only OTHER way to achieve this without network-installed applications is to use terminal services/rdc and have everything installed on a central server, which defeats the whole point of using PCs.

      In other words, unless you have a fully automated and networked system model, you are best off treating PCs like what they are: personal.

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    28. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      ...or they're picking the computers that haven't been broken for 3 weeks while the lazy as hell help desk college IT staff sits around not fixing anything

    29. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by E_elven · · Score: 1

      The problem is that there are other things people usually need to get the job done -post-its, pens, telephones, documents, folders and so on. Also, since most computers use Windows, I have to reset display settings every time I move. THAT is the problem.

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    30. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1

      They don't have to have any memory and they don't have any memory. The amount that is paid is an average. For every dollar the machine takes it, it may on average pay off 95 cents, for example. If it paid off twenty cents, that would be illegal. But paying off 95 cents (for example) on average doesn't require memory any more than a roulette wheel does (of course, there are people who also think that they should bet on numbers that have been "hot" recently at roulette, or alternately on numbers that haven't come up recently and are "due"). It just requires that the random number generation and payoffs are such that your expectation is to lose five cents for every dollar you bet.

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    31. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Spoing · · Score: 1
      1. Basically while using windows unless you have roaming profiles set up, and all software on network installs which work from all workstations, you don't have the ability to sit down anywhere and work, period.

      That's right. I attempted to convince the admins for 6 months that the lack of automation and planning was a Bad Idea. I left with no change, though I did make sure everyone knew that what they were doing was a Bad Idea.

      Here's basically what I recommended;

      All local machines will be identical.

      Repackage the runtime engines and install them locally.

      Run all custom apps from the servers and update the servers only.

      Push out updates if and only if the local machines needed it.

      Plan for the network not the PC; all maintenance should be possible by eliminating differences client-side and putting all user-data and department data server-side.

      There were quite a few other changes I recommended, though you get the idea. Did I mention they were all ignored? :{

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    32. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Spoing · · Score: 1
      1. The problem is that there are other things people usually need to get the job done -post-its, pens, telephones, documents, folders and so on. Also, since most computers use Windows, I have to reset display settings every time I move. THAT is the problem.

      Yep. (Though the display problem could be fixed with some moderately clever login/logout scripting. Not tha these admins had that level of knowledge.)

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    33. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Spoing · · Score: 1
      1. What you outlined here is basically what I thought would happen with Sun's 'mobile desktop' initiative (or whatever it was called), where they had everyone in the company not have a specific "workstation" but had them in pods.

      In Sun's case, they were selling something that was mobile. The admins where I was did not set it up so that mobility was possible (or painless).

      The mobile cart, though, is a good idea if it's limited to "work things" (mainly paper documents to either be processed or to assist with processing; handbooks, official standards, ...).

      1. ... (or just give everyone a laptop, they're almost cheap enougn now) ...

      The facility I left did not have enough money for backup servers or parts. Everything would have to be replaced after it broke and only if under warranty. (Yes, I'm sure we're in agreement on how smart that idea was.)

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    34. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by nettdata · · Score: 2, Informative

      They do this on all machines. They track cash in, cash out, and all results from the machine at all times. Most regulatory bodies make it a requirement, so they can audit and track exactly what is going on.

      It is a VERY BIG DEAL if this tracking fails or "hiccups" for any reason.

      Also, most Vegas casinos tend to program the machines at the front door to win more, so people have the a better chance at seeing someone winning, so they'll come into the place. They may pay out less, but they win more.

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    35. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      Basically while using windows unless you have roaming profiles set up, and all software on network installs which work from all workstations, you don't have the ability to sit down anywhere and work, period.

      Or you could do what they do at our lab at school: push applications from the server, and have *no profiles* at all. That's right: no matter how many times you've logged into BackPC015, it will still ask you "Would you like a tour of Windows XP?" and "are you sure you want to go from an encrypted page to an unencrypted page?" every time.

      It's just a tiny bit frustrating :-/.

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    36. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by subtillus · · Score: 1

      Interesting,
      I find I'm able to crash/lock up more or less anything. I tend to use things until I find their limits and then get pissed off about their shody workmanship. With computers this really isn't that hard is it?

      How does one go about becoming a tester?

    37. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Salvo · · Score: 1

      There was a Scam here in Melbourne at the Crown Casino a few years ago, where Individuals would hang around in Pokies Rooms, and observe Machines. They'd Calculate (with pretty high accuracy) when a machine was due to JackPot and kick off whoever was on it (beforehand), so when they push the button, they get the JackPot.
      Meanwhile the poor pensioner can just watch as someone else takes all the money she was pouring into the machine, and wonder how she's gonna buy catfood this month...

    38. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Peaker · · Score: 1

      Huh? If you could calculate that, there would be little point / profit in holding slot machines, wouldn't there?

    39. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Phaegan · · Score: 1

      Amen. I do things on my "Frinkiac 7" that work just fine. But, if I show it to a friend and they try the exact same thing...their system crashes or slows and the problems ensue. I, therefore am banned from touching most of my friends computers.... Sometimes just having me around can cause them problems...

    40. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use the same computer everday in my high school multimedia class its an older PII 400 with 128mb of ram which i prefer over some new P4 machines, of course the fact that i installed windows 2000 on it and hve the admin password might have something to do with that too.

    41. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by egomaniac · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd like to think that people are stupid about this, but I have to be honest, it's exactly the strategy I'd employ.

      And you would therefore be falling into the trap of the Gambler's Fallacy, just like most of the idiots that think they can beat the house at Vegas.

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    42. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it...

      If a computer isn't my own (and crashing it might cause data loss for someone else), it'll usually try to crash big time on me (BSOD on a 9x/ME box, freeze on a 2K/XP box, etc.) However, doing the EXACT SAME thing on one of my boxes running the SAME software doesn't bring it down.

    43. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      True Story: The first time I ever logged into a Solaris box it set off a security alert.

      The department I was in at University had contracted the engineering department to provide a CAD course for us, using their new suite of Solaris workstations. A friend enrolled in the engineering dept had heard about this and tried to send me an email to greet me when I logged in the first time. However, when they set up the accounts for us they didn't activate mail for some reason, so when I logged in, somehow (I cannot figure this out even today) it triggered an attempt to breach the network security.

      As my first networked computer experience it left a lot to be desired. My first WINTEL experience was trying to write essays in WordStar in '87, is it any wonder I'm a Mac enthusiast...

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      Designer, Gamer, Macgrrl in an XP World
    44. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by therealmoose · · Score: 1
      It has a name: the gambler's fallacy.

      Essentially, it's the belief that random events are affected by past outcomes.

    45. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by 00420 · · Score: 1

      How does one go about becoming a tester?

      Use open source, then report and/or fix the bugs you find.

    46. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      Ever wonder why people get banned from casinos? It's not (usualy) because they are drunk and throwing up on the roulette table. Its because they are winning.

    47. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      Slot machines, until recently, were not subject to the Gambler's Fallacy. Mechanical slots actually turned out a jackpot based on a set of gears reaching the correct position.

      Frequently, they paid out in a regular interval, and in sub-intervals and sub-sub-intervals, paid bigger prizes.

      That all changed with computer controlled slots, since a decent random number seed screws up the interval every time the machine is rebooted, which is every day.

    48. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by snero3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Having working at a club(during university) that ran poker machines (in australia most pubs/clubs have them) I am sorry to tell you that each machine is uniquely configurable by the owners and not the manufacturer. You can set How many times a day it will pay, what the average size of the pay out will be etc.... there is very little randomness left in these machines now.

      NB also they got reset every night so the rational This machine has to spew out a lot of money at SOME point in its existence. So the longer I stay with this one, the more my odds go up that I'll be the one who pulls the lever at the right time. is not really going to hold up as every day is a new day for them.

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    49. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by theTerribleRobbo · · Score: 1


      The important words here are 'supposed to'. At high-school, and even at Uni now, some computers aren't set up correctly, for instance one box won't read my USB key, but the one next to it will. One's floppy drive can't be mounted because of insufficient persmissions, one has a mouse with a broken scroll wheel, etc, etc...

      (Note, they all have the same hardware, and are loaded with the same disk image.)

      We sometimes have reasons to keep using certain computers. :P

    50. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      The facility I left did not have enough money for backup servers or parts. Everything would have to be replaced after it broke and only if under warranty. (Yes, I'm sure we're in agreement on how smart that idea was.)

      Urg.

      You could've used Amanda - that would likely have been an acceptable hack, provided your company wasn't too large.

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    51. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Spoing · · Score: 1
      1. Amanda

      For backup? Nope, they did have enough money for an expensive backup program. Contracting has oddities to it.

      That said, when you look at a couple dozen servers -- each with a unique task -- and no spare desktops (I had to scrape up test machines only if I found someone who "didn't need it right now"), they are going to have problems. The start of the bulge in the bell curve was beginning to be an issue as I left.

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    52. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the classroom where I do most of my teaching, typically only 4 or 5 of the six Windows machines are working at any given time.

      Not surprising, considering colleges are infested with *NIX bias. It isn't hard to keep a Windows-based lab working, it's just that college-boy types have no interest in doing so. To wit:

      hopefully turning young minds on to open source

    53. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Merkuri22 · · Score: 1

      Not so surprising. I think the rationale is along the lines of "This machine has to spew out a lot of money at SOME point in its existence. So the longer I stay with this one, the more my odds go up that I'll be the one who pulls the lever at the right time." They feel that if they go around to other machines, they'll catch them at different points in their lives and have lower risk of winning.

      People who sit at the same slot machine all day are like rats in a Skinner box. Once the rat has learned to push the lever (because he gets a food pelet each time he does it), he can actually learn to keep pressing it even if it stops putting out food. There's a certain ratio of successes to failures that'll keep reinforcing the lever-push action. That same ratio is often programmed into slot machines. If every x times the player gets a win (even if it's only a few coins), then the lever-pull action is still being reinforced as if there had been a win each time.

    54. Re:But they're all supposed to be equal... by Raven42rac · · Score: 1

      The only kernel panic I have ever received was from pulling a USB thumbdrive without first ejecting it. I knew that was a no-no, I just wanted to see what would happen. With my Mac, if I bork anything up, I can just log out and back in, I don't have to reboot. I think you are right in your observations though. I can use my machine for weeks, then someone uses it and messes up things.

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  6. Loyalty to machines by wkitchen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people can feel loyalty to something as unintelligent as an automobile, then it is not at all unexpected that they feel that way towards their computers.

    1. Re:Loyalty to machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Automobiles are like dogs. They let us down sometimes, they misbehave at inconvenient moments, and we're sometimes angry at them for being a nuisance. But for the most part they're loyal to us. And we love them more than the neighbor's even if the neighbor's is prettier.

      Computers are like cats. They're cute when they're brand new and purring along. After six months you realize they're useless and plotting to kill you. You want to kick the stupid thing out the window.

    2. Re:Loyalty to machines by digitalsushi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Felis boxen, be it though you have great speed
      your presence new, i find the need
      to advertise no hestitation
      in premature defenstration

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    3. Re:Loyalty to machines by digitalsushi · · Score: 1

      argh i spelled defenestration wrong T_T

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    4. Re:Loyalty to machines by DJBigShow · · Score: 1

      So your saying my computer has 9 lives???

    5. Re:Loyalty to machines by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Sounds like girlfriends are like automobiles and dogs; wives are like computers and cats. /jk

    6. Re:Loyalty to machines by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      After six months you realize they're useless and plotting to kill you.

      Useless? Not at all! They're working on improving your survival skills. It's tough love...

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  7. false findings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i use the same computer cause i don't feel like setting up my damn windows desktop, bookmarks, window sizes.

    but admittedly i talk to my computer. swear it, even threaten it. i wish it could hear me.

    1. Re:false findings by kasperd · · Score: 1

      i use the same computer cause i don't feel like setting up my damn windows desktop, bookmarks, window sizes.

      Mount your home directory with NFS, and it will be the same no matter which computer you log onto. And when the NFS server needs to be replaced, just copy the whole directory to a new server. User settings and machine settings where meant to be kept seperate. Typically home directories live longer than the machines. My home directory on the department network is now on the fifth NFS server since I got my account (unless I forgot one: scandium, amigo, harald, atlantis, gorm). On my home network, /home is now on the third NFS server since I started using Linux (eddie, marvin, hactar). If you cannot replace a computer without affecting users, or replace a user without affecting the computers, something is wrong with your setup.

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    2. Re:false findings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read more closely: he said "my damn windows desktop". He probably doesn't even know what an NFS server is.

      The principle is the same though, except that all the Windows user settings are stored in a collection of files and registry entries known as a 'profile', and the home directory would be mounted using an SMB file share.

    3. Re:false findings by kasperd · · Score: 1

      he said "my damn windows desktop".

      Oops, I read it it as my damn windows, desktop, bookmarks, window sizes but I see now, that it really was my damn windows desktop, bookmarks, window sizes. Punctation matters. Now if they had used a better name for their damn product, I wouldn't have made that mistake.

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      Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
    4. Re:false findings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well honestly all those options are very nice and all but, the company i work at where i use more then one computer does not support any of those methods. IT is lazy, as am i with punctuation.

      at home i don't have this issue. of course because i only have two computers...

    5. Re:false findings by arekq · · Score: 1

      Back in school, most of the time I didn't choose a specific computer in the computer lab.

      When I did, it's because:
      - it has the least broken chair
      - it has the least broken mouse pad (the optical mouse required a mouse pad with grids)
      - it was the least dirty

    6. Re:false findings by Hooded+One · · Score: 1

      the optical mouse required a mouse pad with grids

      Oooh, I have one of those floating around. Annoying little bugger, because if you have the mouse at enough of an angle it gets terribly confused. Also, it was the most uncomfortable design imaginable: a rectangle a bit longer and a bit less wide than a normal mouse.

  8. Personality, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know about talking, but I do flip off my computer a awful lot and cus it out.

    As far as I am conserned all computers are stupid SOBs.

    Does that count as giving my computer human attributes?

    1. Re:Personality, eh? by qorkfiend · · Score: 1

      Certainly. Stupidity is a human attribute. Remember, computers only do what humans tell them.

      I yell at mine and tell it to speak to me like Boris from Goldeneye.

  9. Wow by sydb · · Score: 5, Funny

    This could lead to an over dependence on electronically-generated news and information.

    Ground breaking stuff for slashdot.

    next! <hits CTRL-R>

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  10. The real secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    People given the option of a range of PCs tended to have favourites, with some even prepared to wait in line to use a particular machine.

    Now we know which one had the hidden stash of pr0n!

  11. Computers and Fashion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    All I know is, my computer has a much better fashion sense than this guy from Penn State...

    (plaid on plaid! I mean einstein could do it, but that ain't exactly the same!)

  12. porn stored locally by vandelais · · Score: 0, Redundant

    That's it. Award karma accordingly.

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  13. People like sitting in the same place by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In most college classrooms, professors don't particularly care to assign seats to anybody, yet students for the most part tend to seat themselves in more-or-less the same positions anyway. I wonder if this is related to want to have a favorite seat in the computer room.

    1. Re:People like sitting in the same place by sydb · · Score: 1

      Of course, you're absolutely right. It was a few years ago, but I was doing a block release college course as a trainee with a load of other trainees from the same workplace and we all did the same classes; for each class, we adopted different seating patterns, for I-don't-know-what subtle reasons, and stuck to them!

      The human does this, naturally.

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    2. Re:People like sitting in the same place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if this is related to want to have a favorite seat in the computer room.

      Heck, if people develop strong emotional relationships with computers, why not with chairs, too? That's OK and healthy, as long as sexual abuse isn't involved.

    3. Re:People like sitting in the same place by cscx · · Score: 4, Funny

      students for the most part tend to seat themselves in more-or-less the same positions anyway

      You're right -- it's usually "right behind the hot blond chick."

    4. Re:People like sitting in the same place by Spoing · · Score: 1
      1. In most college classrooms, professors don't particularly care to assign seats to anybody, yet students for the most part tend to seat themselves in more-or-less the same positions anyway. I wonder if this is related to want to have a favorite seat in the computer room.
        1. Habit.

          Before college, every teacher assigned me a seat for each class. In college, they didn't...but I nearly always sat in the same place.

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    5. Re:People like sitting in the same place by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 5, Funny

      The human does this, naturally.

      And the human speak the English in the person of the third.

    6. Re:People like sitting in the same place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just remember, when you sit on a chair you're sitting on the lap of everyone that chair has supported.

    7. Re:People like sitting in the same place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not an engineer, are you?

    8. Re:People like sitting in the same place by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This happened in our first computer labs. They were actually converted chemistry rooms - everything was removed except the slatted glass windows which meant one side of the room was colder than the other. In the beginning, the machines were identical (monitors, keyboards, base-units.

      From time to time the technicians would swap machines around, and nobody really noticed. Users really preferred to sit at the front of the labs next to the door so they could reach the printers quickly. As a consequence the bad keyboards (sticky keys), used to get bubble sorted to the back of the lab. These were eventually replaced with the quietkey keyboards.

      The most popular machines were those that were closest to the radiators, at the front of the room and quietkey keyboards. The most unpopular machines were those that were closest to the windows and/or had bad keyboards.

    9. Re:People like sitting in the same place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does you crap keeping getting modded up. I can see the value in some of what you say but most of it is just boring.

    10. Re:People like sitting in the same place by kf6auf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At Caltech, we have sit-down dinners that are waited by students. Recently thought, Dining Services introduced the possibility of eating elsewhere once a week so often fewer people come to dinners. As a result, on these nights of low attendance, we pick a couple of tables to not set. It is really much fun to watch the people who always sit at these tables go "Ah! My seat!? Where do I sit?" On the other hand, it easier to wait if you know where everyone is sitting because you don't need to wonder where to find someone.

    11. Re:People like sitting in the same place by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1

      It's called a territorial instinct. Most of us animals have them, :)

    12. Re:People like sitting in the same place by lambadomy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think it has a lot to do with the other people in the class as well, and how big the class is.

      In a large lecture hall, I never seemed to care where I sat, and in some cases I sat wherever was available as I came in 5 minutes late.

      In small classrooms with 20 or 30 desks, even if I didn't feel the need to always sit the same place, 80-90% of the class did. It was always awkward to be sitting in "someone elses" chair when they came in, even if there was no actual posession. So sitting in the same place every time is to some just the path of least resistance - if you're the only one who claimed it, you don't have to worry about the other people.

    13. Re:People like sitting in the same place by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      For that matter do we treat spaces as being friends? If we don't go into our room for a while don't we come back and think that it looks lonely? As if it may have missed us?

      We do that to all familiar things I think. Spaces, computers, cars, a favorite pair of shoes, or whatever. The things that make us comfortable become part of our family and we attach emotions to them as such. This is hardly anything new. Children often have toys or blankets they are attached to and often even throughout adulthood we'll hang on to these items. Or maybe as adults we'll have a favorite shirt.. it may be ratty and stained but we hang on to it because it means something to us. We attach memories to it. We'll comfortable with it. We'd miss it if we tossed it.

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  14. Don't piss them off.... by ThrudTheBarbarian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate it when you do that.

    1. Re:Don't piss them off.... by spektr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate it when you do that.

      Mine takes it easy. It's just a running gag between us: he inhumans me, I anthopomorphize him, and so we have fun all the work day long...

    2. Re:Don't piss them off.... by naiv · · Score: 1

      o, wow. i am going to quote that!

  15. It's even better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...When your computer has an AI program installed.

  16. Not all computers in a lab are the same by c_oflynn · · Score: 2, Informative

    There could be other reasons for this. At my school we have a computer lab - and some computers ARE better than others, even though they are all the "same" computer.

    One for example freezes every 95 seconds after you login - so you have to save what you are doing and reboot.

    Some of them seem prone to accidently give you administrator priviliges as well. So there are other reasons...

    1. Re:Not all computers in a lab are the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      One for example freezes every 95 seconds after you login

      You should upgrade to Windows 98, it needs 98 seconds to freeze up.
      OTOH, professional use Windows 2000. Half an hour of uninterruped work...

  17. Ha! by Gangis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I go much further than that! I name ALL my computers, even the XT in the closet.

    I know, I'm a nerd.

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    1. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For someone who is such a "nerd" you sure don't know your own computer specs...

      Your main PC only has 768 Megabites of RAM, NOT 786. Common man, it's a simple power of 2, get with it!

      Nerd? Pfft... your just a wanna be.

    2. Re:Ha! by Gangis · · Score: 3, Funny

      That didn't last long... Ten minutes and two trolls already. Experiment successful.

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    3. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I named all of my computers too, even the 47 buried around the house.

    4. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha, nice try. But you know and we know that you made your post in all seriousness. Idiot.

    5. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a life.
      get one.

    6. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just looked at your website. Not only are you a nerd, you're a STUPID nerd.

      Community college course in IT .. A career in CompUSA .. man, you fail it real bad.

      A stupid nerd is truly the worst kind.

    7. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking at his site, I got a creepy feeling we have a present-day virgin turning into a future pedophile on our hands here....

    8. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mmmmmmmmmm huge cocks.

      love to suck it

    9. Re:Ha! by YetAnotherLogin · · Score: 1

      Your main computer should be named Kitsune (which means Fox), not Mitsune. You got her name wrong.

    10. Re:Ha! by YetAnotherLogin · · Score: 1

      Before you reply, I didn't realize that was just a nickname :) I was just going from memory there. I looked it up and you're right. Nevermind my previous comment.

    11. Re:Ha! by theTerribleRobbo · · Score: 1


      Mitsune Konno is her full name, Kitsune is her nickname.

      I s'pose you think Mutsumi's name is Mitsumi, then, eh?

      (I'm not an arrogant gyet, I just play one on slashdot.)

    12. Re:Ha! by YetAnotherLogin · · Score: 1

      Yeah I know. Read my correction. Thanks for your correction anyway.

  18. Words Fail Me... by Bravo_Two_Zero · · Score: 1

    No really. I want to make a joke... badly! But I... I... I... pah!

    Besides, I *know* all my systems hate me! Except for the old DG3704 in the corner.. it's different... not like the other machines.

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  19. Computers have loyalty to people, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    My computer loves me! It never breaks down, and well it feels sick, it lets me know.

    But, actually, I think some people may produce more... harmonious fields... that computers may pick up/interact with. I can't count the number of times I've "fixed" a computer by just being around it.

    1. Re:Computers have loyalty to people, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was going to be another [NO CARRIER] joke at first ;-)

      " My computer loves me! It never breaks do *((!$&!!@*!(& [NO CARRIER]"

    2. Re:Computers have loyalty to people, too by daniel_mcl · · Score: 1

      I've seen the same thing -- perhaps the fact that you're there means that you're preventing anyone from actively breaking the computer. =D

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    3. Re:Computers have loyalty to people, too by tadheckaman · · Score: 1

      I have solved hung applications by running task manager... its like threatening to kill the process, and the application magicly starts responding. I wonder sometimes....

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      My potato gun was confiscated by the United Nations. They said I wasn't allowed to have weapons of mash destruction.
  20. Mum's a conservative when it comes to technology by Curly-Locks · · Score: 0

    We can't get my mum off the 386 laptop, since she loves WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS so much, and she likes the layout of the keys.

    She does have trouble with the internet sometimes, but she takes that as the price worth paying to stick with her beloved laptop.

  21. university computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, well when I was at university I only used certain computers because they were the only ones with the screen facing a wall, so people couldn't see the naughty things I was getting up to.

    Also these were the computers with stuff I had already installed on them, so I went back to those so I didn't have to install the programs again.

    That's probably a more likely explanation.

  22. More Information Is Required by ZPO · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think we have enough information to draw conclusions based on the article.

    - Do the computers that folks were willing to wait for have additional applications loaded?

    - Are they perhaps known to be the most stable ones out of a given set?

    - Did different machines have different monitors, keyboards, and mice?

    - Are they in a location that makes them more desireable (lighting, temperature, lack of people, etc)

    There are plenty of factors that influence choices such as this. Unless they took steps to ensure that the computers were 100pct identical in every way, the conclusions they have reached are suspect. The extrapolations they make about people blindingly trusting computers even more so.

    A computer is a tool. Just like an artisan may have a favorite tool for a task a user may have a favorite computer for a task. I don't see anything too earth-shattering here.

    1. Re:More Information Is Required by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd also like to see what would happen if one night the computer room was rearraged quietly. Would people go looking for their "favorite" machine, or just use the one that had inherited the favorite's location?

    2. Re:More Information Is Required by ZPO · · Score: 1

      I think that would be a rather interesting experiment. You'd likely want to put up a map of the old vs. new computer locations.

      You could also do some interesting variations on that. Assuming all the computers are externally identical (and you don't have any FUBAR'd mouse/kb's) just swap identification labels, change the maps, and see if anyone notices the difference.

    3. Re:More Information Is Required by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I tended to favour certain machines in a computer lab - although I haven't been in one for a while since I finished uni.

      I like the machines close to the end of an aisle that give me the best overall view of the room; i hate sitting with my back to the door or the rest of the room. It's not a matter of which machine is better because they're (idiot proof, but only the idiots can break them) all the same.

      They may just find that users were gravitating to machines based on personal preference; some users like to have their back to the rest of the room to avoid other distractions, some like to be near the door.

      --
      I drink to make other people interesting!
    4. Re:More Information Is Required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of the computer illiterate I've known over the years, computers under the covers are sentient beings. All that is needed is to hook up a voice synth and voila, HAL2k is now a member of the family (for better or worse, usually worse).

      Do you really think the average person mentally equates a computer with, say, a hammer?

    5. Re:More Information Is Required by ZPO · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. I don't think the average user equates a computer with a hammer.

      The hammer analogy isn't perfect, but its a good start. The next question is what can we do to teach the average user that a computer is a tool? In what ways can we educate people that the computer is just processing and displaying information, rather than some oracle that always speaks the truth?

      The problem with both of these is that they require the individual to process, validate, and make logical judgements about information. Based on what I see on a day-to-day basis, this is asking more of the average person than they are willing to give.

    6. Re:More Information Is Required by danila · · Score: 1

      No, it would makes sense to rearrange them in such a way that students know it. Even if they feel attached to a particular PC, not a location, they would have no way to find out about the change, so you would invalidate the experiment.

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      Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
    7. Re:More Information Is Required by glpierce · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have a feeling that they'd just do the same thing they did originally - find a computer that works without problems and stick with it. My experience (at univerisities in both the UK and US) is that hardware can drive choice. Floppy drives and audio jacks don't hold up well to abuse, and are the first to go. Some machines have network problems, and some (depending on security) may have different programs or even personal files. Additionally, most computer labs tend to run Windows, which gradually begins to fail depending on its use.

      I actually recall a library at a UK university which had two computers with 1024x768 resolution and high color quality, while the rest (about 25) were at lower resolutions and lower color settings. I was working on graphics at the time, so you can guess how useful most of the computers were. I'd sit down at a random computer and check email and read news until someone got off of one of the good PCs. There were a few terminals which consistantly crashed, and I simply wouldn't use.

      Simply put, it's a matter of trust and reputation - if a computer works well consistantly, I stick with it. The odds of finding another "good" one is unfortunately low.

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      G
    8. Re:More Information Is Required by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't matter, at least at my high school. The teachers caught onto the students sticking with particular machines and implemented a policy of mandatory computer switching every month. "Just to be fair."

      --
      "There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge." - Bertrand Russell.
  23. Sure, whatever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I'm going to be sitting at someone else's computer for more than a few minutes at work, I'd like that computer to have editors, compilers, putty, etc. installed. I like using my computer more because it has my work on it. Does that conut as loyalty?

  24. Ulysses Ship... err Computer by WombatControl · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course, this also presents an interesting conundrum. My current computer has had every single part replaced since I bought the first iteration way back in 1998. Of course, not everything was replaced at the same time, but rather a gradual process of upgrades over the years.

    So, is it really the same computer I started with? Or is it really some kind of sinister imposter only pretending to be my computer?

    1. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of course, not everything was replaced at the same time, but rather a gradual process of upgrades over the years. So, is it really the same computer I started with?

      Your computer is not the only one that has undergone a "gradual process of upgrades" over time. Your body is not the same one you had a few years ago, or even a few hours ago for that matter... And don't forget the rather fickle and ever-changing mind, too.

      --
      "Wow, you're like some kind of superhero able to ward off happiness and success at every turn."
      -- Ryan Stiles
    2. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by thunderflash21 · · Score: 0

      Human cells completely regenerate every seven years. We are the same people. I suppose if you wanted to maintain the same relationship with your computer, you could use this analogy to convinvce yourself.

      --
      My spoon is too big.
    3. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by Rosonowski · · Score: 1

      "This is my family axe. From time to time, the head wears out, and it needs to be replaced. And from time to time, the handle wears out and needs to be replaced as well. But this is still my family's axe."Gimli, LOTR

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    4. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      Isn't it just the skin cells that regenerate every 7 years? I'm not into biology or whatever, but I'm pretty sure that your brain cells (the important ones, anyway) DO NOT get replaced every 7 years because then you'd have to relearn everything.

      --
      True story.
    5. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by naiv · · Score: 1

      that is called impermanence. nothing is ever the same. not even the parts that you bought are the same parts you bought, because they have changed in some way, whether it be subatomically, or uhh... superatomically.

    6. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      More like from the Fifth Elephant than LOTR.

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    7. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      My computer from 1980 still works, why would I replace anything? Some people just have to have the latest and greatest...

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      One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
    8. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by Rosonowski · · Score: 1

      Umm, sure. I'm pulling it as a third or fourth hand reference from the top of my head.

      Thanks for the correction, though.

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    9. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by NonSequor · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was Theseus's ship not Ulysses's.

      --
      My only political goal is to see to it that no political party achieves its goals.
    10. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by GregChant · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just a little nag.. the correct mereological problem is "Theseus's Ship," not "Ulysses's Ship".

      /philosophy dork

    11. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had this shovel for 30 years. It's had 10 new handles and 3 new blades.

    12. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you do forget everything you know in seven years.

      Certain things, like walking for instance, are in a continual state of re-learning so you never completely forget them.

      Memories are either lost completely or relearned by talking about them with others. Any memory you think you have from more than seven years ago was either made up by your brain, extrapolated from known data, or implanted by aliens and/or the shadow government.

    13. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by rpj1288 · · Score: 1

      And then, when it becomes obsolete, and cannot be upgraded, you will do anything to help it keep living. You just can't stand the idea of tossing it to the wolves.

      --
      Marvin knew: "Think of a number, any number..."
    14. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A similar thing has happened to the computers in my household, only to an even greater extent. My brothers and I are pretty tech savvy, and we've all built our own computers and have, at least, modified all the one's my parents have bought in the last couple years. What, interestingly enough has happened, is that although we've changed everything inside many of these computers, we still call them the same thing. For example, the one in the basement is called the Aptiva, despite only the case remaining from the old IBM system. The same thing has happened my computer, which (although it is currently a backup of my main, completely new system) had its guts replaced though I still call it my ABS, after the original builder.

    15. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      Wow, you've lost all credibility with that last post; you have a major logical flaw in the end of your comment: how can aliens implant memories USING A RECTAL PROBE?

      --
      True story.
    16. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by temojen · · Score: 1

      My computer has every part replaced except the floppy drive since I got it (a used 286) in 1992.

    17. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      I would say that the thing that distinguishes a computer from another is the contents of the harddrive, much like we distinguish people through their memories... If you replace a persons body but they have the same memories, people would consider him the same person. The same goes for computers.

      If you format the drive, then it's still the same computer since it has the same parts and will probably have pretty much the same type of contents on the harddrive as before since it will have the same user. Once the user switches, it's a different computer.

      But as someone in another post said, I shouldn't anthropomorphize computers... they hate that.

      --
      Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
    18. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, is it really the same computer I started with?

      If the IRS is asking and you wrote it off as a business expense, yes.

    19. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by grepistan · · Score: 1

      Readers with taste! Good to see.

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      Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
      -- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
    20. Re:Ulysses Ship... err Computer by Reziac · · Score: 1

      My "alpha box" has had everything but the floppies and the case replaced (some of it twice) since its first incarnation, 10 years ago next week. Yet it is still somehow the same computer. Its "personality" hasn't changed despite having had two brain transplants and a heart transplant.

      I have three computers that I use all the time, all with different "personalities": old Dink is aloof and in charge; Argo is desperately eager to please; Gremlin always feels a bit left out. ;)

      Watch any craftsman with his tools, and you'll observe behaviour similar to that described in the article -- what look to anyone else like 6 identical tools will FEEL different to the experienced user's hand, which often leads to a preference for some old beat-up tool rather than the newer, nominally-identical one. Familiarity builds sensitivity to tiny differences that the eye can't measure but the hand can sure feel.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  25. the world as they know it by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Prof Sundar said there computer manufacturers and advertisers could learn from the results of the study. In general, computers are marketed as things that can easily be phased out and replaced.

    "A better advertising strategy might be to portray computers as something durable and reliable, something that grows with you," Prof Sundar told BBC News Online.

    they can't do that. No, seriously.

    This means that the industry would have to get off the treadmill of constant upgrades. It is no secret that MS is upset with the slow rate of people upgrading to XP. Most people now only upgrade when there is a definite need for it.

    This would be the end of the world as they know it, and I feel fine.

    --
    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
    1. Re:the world as they know it by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      Computers generally aren't durable and reliable anyway. Portraying things as something they aren't is a way to make sales, but also a way to experience a dramatic backlash later.

      The fact is that computers are too complex to really be reliable. Take a look at cars, even cars designed to be reliable (which includes absolutely no auto made from about 1970 until about 1990) are going to inevitably fail in some way, and they are so much less complicated than a computer that given how often cars fail, it's amazing computers work at all.

      I typically eschew the use of cars in simile or metaphor about computers, but in this case I find it's a useful comparison. Parts wear out and have to be replaced, and there's no way around that.

      Given how inexpensive parts for PCs are, there's basically no way to look at them other than things which can be easily phased out and replaced. Provided you buy systems based on real standards (even NLX counts these days, but it wasn't always so - there was a time when you couldn't buy NLX cases except wrapped around the rest of a PC) then there is a further and even more important benefit to PCs, which is the fact that you can replace them piecemeal. This is sort of a dual nature, in that the computer can easily be replaced with another computer, but it can also easily be upgraded. There is plenty of merit to both views.

      In general we hobbyists upgrade the computer in pieces, because it's cheapest (in money) to do so, while businesses and other large organizations which have better things to do than rebuild PCs buy whole new systems, and the old ones "trickle down" until they are useless, at which point they are surplussed and either destroyed, recycled, or sold as per policy and their value. Naturally, the clueless masses just buy complete systems as well, and then they ask you if their 486 is "good enough" for their grandkids. This is why when computers come up in conversation, I usually start looking for a way out...

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re:the world as they know it by Ancient+Devices+King · · Score: 1
      which includes absolutely no auto made from about 1970 until about 1990


      My parents have a 1983 Honda Accord that they bought right after I was born. It still runs fine, even after being in 2 major accidents. The only real problem it has is lower than compression on one cylinder.
      --
      -"It seems like you're trying to exploit a security hole. Would you like help?"
  26. Maybe not just the computer by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    Sometimes people also show a preference for a particular location in a room (near the exit, by a window, close to the printer, next to the machine that the cute chick likes to use). Other times, one machine will have objectively determinable capabilities that others lack (good in-focus monitor, fastest processor, mouse that works properly). Pure observation will not always reveal these other factors.

  27. Durable and reliable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A better advertising strategy might be to portray computers as something durable and reliable, something that grows with you, Prof Sundar told BBC News Online.

    Sounds like a hard act when the dam thing is obsolete in 3 years and even the most reliable PCs would be near the bottom compared to the average household appliance.

  28. Names? by QEDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    How many people name their computers? I do, and it takes me a bit to figure out names for them. I refer to them by their name usually, which causes my non-geeky friends to stare at me. Any one else does this compulsively? What is the name of your computer?

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    "There is no teacher but the enemy."-Mazer Rackham
    1. Re:Names? by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      Mine are after nuclear test names (Trinity, Able, Baker etc), that means i get double the weird stares and sometimes a slight shuffle in the other direction. I figured the US tested more than enough nukes to last me a life-time ;)

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    2. Re:Names? by thelenm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep, currently I'm typing on Gandalf the laptop and dinking around on Pippin the Pocket PC, accessing the Internet through Sauron the wireless access point and Aragorn the firewall, while my wife plays games on Eowyn the PC, my daughter plays games on Gimli the other PC, and Samwise the web server silently does his job in the background. Legolas the old web server lies disemboweled on the floor after an unfortunate shield-sledding accident.

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    3. Re:Names? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      I name my computers, but that's largely because I find it easier to access them on the network as CLARK, BRUCE, DIANA, HAL, BARRY, OLIVER, ARTHUR, etc. rather than as 192.168.13.1, 192.168.13.2, 192.168.13.3, 192.168.13.4, etc.

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    4. Re:Names? by pla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many people name their computers?

      Anyone in any way connecting to a network... I mean, you don't really have a choice, right?


      What is the name of your computer?

      Currently sitting at Teleute, my primary machine (which slowly sucks away my life, thus the name). Across the room I have Lucien the file-server, and downstairs I have Virago (my SO's machine) and Bimbo (my masq'ing gateway).

    5. Re:Names? by DissidentHere · · Score: 2, Funny

      We do (did) were I work (which is a small company so we get away with lots of stuff). We've go Vinny, Bubba, SonOfBubba, a few more. We found a old baseball card of some guy named Bubba something with a HUGE plug of chew, and taped him to our server.

      Its good to laugh a little when you connect to a network share. And you don't have to remember if that folder is on MN04523 or MN04526. Granted, in a large enough institution you will run out of names and/or offend somebody by naming a server butmunch.

      --
      "None of us are as dumb as all of us." - meeting mantra
    6. Re:Names? by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

      I named my computers. At least on the network. The desktop i'm on now is HAL 5320, the desktop in the basement is Hobbes, and my laptop on the network appears as Dude Man (its a dell, duuuude...). My SSID makes a bit more sense, blickNet, that being my last name... and the word net.

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      "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
    7. Re:Names? by UWC · · Score: 1

      Transformers fan here, so my desktop (currently at home in a closet, unfortunately) is Vector_Sigma. The laptop here at school is Teletran-1.

    8. Re:Names? by Venner · · Score: 1

      Computers since 1997, although a couple have been retired:
      Guthwolf, Aristotle, Yggdrasil, Fafnir, Jormungandr, Caliban, Sorrow.

      --
      A preposition is a terrible thing to end a sentence with.
    9. Re:Names? by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      My Linux box is named Tux, but the rest of the computers ended up named after Homestar Runner characters. Mom's laptop is The Cheat, the 800MHz Pentium from UofU surplus was blessed with the Strongbad moniker, and my brother's new machine is called Coach Z because it had a giant chrome Z on the front of the case.

      It's a workable system, so long as I don't get too many more machines. I cringe to think of the sort of machine that would get "The Poopsmith," and eventually you have to start using minor characters like "Gremlin," "YelloDello," "Thnicka-man," and "The Cheat's Lightswitch."

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      You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!

    10. Re:Names? by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 1

      Mine are Helios, Daedalus, Icarus, and Morpheus - and given that some of the people I know name their washing machines, naming computers doesn't get me any funny looks at all.....

    11. Re:Names? by pewterfish · · Score: 1

      Guess I'll toss in my two cents...

      I use a simple alphabetic scheme, with machines renamed every time they change drastically (new OS, etc), and make up a name that rolls nicely off the tongue for each letter.

      I'm replying via athelus at the mo, while castigan (previously barents) sits quietly in the corner serving irc and http to those that visit me. The parts for demosthenes are lying on my bed at the mo, ready for assembly.

      Dull, yes. Uninteresting, probably. A good way to escape work for five mins, certainly!

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      :D > £/$
    12. Re:Names? by sapped · · Score: 1

      I figured the US tested more than enough nukes to last me a life-time ;)

      Not sure about that. But they definately tested enough to last you a half-life time.

      Sad really. I just couldn't resist.

    13. Re:Names? by Xzarakizraiia · · Score: 1

      My desktop's name is Navi, named after Link's fairy in the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. She can be just as frustrating to interact with, and doesn't let me Z-Target anything > Also: What kind of upgrades warrent a new name for an old computer? I thought about thinking up something else when I got a new hard drive, but couldn't bring myself to say goodbye.

    14. Re:Names? by ch3 · · Score: 1

      @home:
      gally, alita, yugo, kaos and ido (ok, it's an iPod but why couldn't it have a name?)
      @work:
      DOMAIN(WEB|BIZ)SA[0-9]{2,2}
      Those names are really painfull to remember (and pronounce) so I'm working on my boss to have more friendly names (I've been allowed to name and old AS2100 running Linux: Neptune, sooo much better ;) )

    15. Re:Names? by naiv · · Score: 2, Informative

      navi is the name of all the computers in the anime serial experiments lain. here's some stuff about the computers in it: http://www.cjas.org/~leng/apple-lain.htm

    16. Re:Names? by naiv · · Score: 1

      i named my computer res mortis, which is latin for thing of death. it tends to die. and not turn on. although we fixed that. but it never stays fixed for long, and makes more problems. fun ones. like explor.exe becoming corrupt, and having to ctl alt del it and running it completely from open save as dialog boxes (ok, that was fun, especially teaching my whole family how to do that because i was too lazy to reinstall xp again). now it has a fun tendency to not like playing mpegs, and turning off when i try, no matter what the program.

    17. Re:Names? by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 2, Funny

      I name my computers...BARRY

      You named one after me? I feel so honored. And I thought that one night stand meant nothing to you.

    18. Re:Names? by MinotaurUK · · Score: 1

      Deus Ex AIs?

    19. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God I hope that was sarcasm...
      *sigh*

    20. Re:Names? by MinotaurUK · · Score: 1

      Fortunately most of my friends seem to understand the whole "naming of computers" thing. We can be sitting in the pub talking about our respective machines and most of us know the names (and purpose) of the others' machines. I pity anyone who tries to listen to our conversations. Computers: ariadne, artemis, cronus, rhea, hestia, leto, zeus Need to find names for the two cellphones now that they qualify as network devices...

    21. Re:Names? by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 1

      Correct :)

    22. Re:Names? by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      I used several naming systems over time. Normally, a different way per network, and names are picked trying to be appropiate.

      Which in the current one is:

      Internal network: Alice in Wonderland
      Alice (This one, dual Athlon MP 2000+), Cheshire (vmware virtual machine), Bill (Windows computer), Dormouse (router)

      DMZ: Sylvie and Bruno
      Sylvie (web, ftp, etc server), Warden (router)

      Mobile devices LAN: Chip & Dale
      Gadget (laptop, development, some work), Jack (router), Chip (PDA when I get it)

      To make it all odder, every computer has ASCII art of the appropiate character, if I could find it. People find it a bit strange that I have a full screen ASCII image of Gadget Hackwrench in /etc/issue, but oddly enough nobody seems to know who that is.

    23. Re:Names? by /dev/trash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anyone with more than one PC names their computer. How else do you keep networked machines separated in your head?

    24. Re:Names? by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      My Linux box is friar and my Windows box is binky. (Anyone spot the connection?) I haven't named the Amiga or the Archimedes.

    25. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For some reason I usually end up naming my computer 'POS'. I've had quite a few that ended up with the name 'POS'.

    26. Re:Names? by applef00 · · Score: 1

      I named my router Charlton and my test server Heston. Then... I'm more than a little bent.

    27. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya, mines called SECOND_FLOOR and is usually called 192.168.0.100

      What a dumb question.

    28. Re:Names? by bcmm · · Score: 1

      I network name machines by physical location. Boring, I know. I have LEFT, RIGHT (in the same room) and STUDY.

      --
      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    29. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... Yggdrasil ... Jormungandr ..."

      and they're better than IP addresses how?

    30. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm replying via athelus at the mo, while castigan (previously barents) sits quietly in the corner serving irc and http to those that visit me"

      I have something similar except I also serve my guests tea and cucumber sandwiches.

      "The parts for demosthenes are lying on my bed at the mo, ready for assembly."

      You sick, sick boy.

      "Dull, yes. Uninteresting, probably. A good way to escape work for five mins, certainly!"

      If you can only spare five minutes, send demosthenese over to me and I'll show her what's what.

    31. Re:Names? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      Considering that Gandalf was played by a gay actor*, I'm not sure that is a wise choise of a name. Galadriel or Arwen might be better.

      *(he's a brilliant actor, and one of my favorites - it's a joke - laugh)

      --
      We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
    32. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Need to find names for the two cellphones now that they qualify as network devices..."

      I call mine, Nokia and Ericsson.

      I also name my kettles but coming up with names for new arrivals is a pain. In the end I usually just go with Russell Hobbs, or something similar.

    33. Re:Names? by DissidentHere · · Score: 1

      You would be SO screwed if you rearranged your room. Moving could be a disaster too.

      Good practical joke for one of your friends though. ;-)

      --
      "None of us are as dumb as all of us." - meeting mantra
    34. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about Homsar? He's got to be a main charactor by now.

    35. Re:Names? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Indeed I do.

      I have always named my computers. Names are always female and I often pick them out of the air when I'm setting up the machine for the first time.

      G3 iBook 600Mhz (primary machine): Helen (after my first love)
      Dual 2Ghz G5: Alison (random name choice)
      12" Powerbook: Laura
      500Mhz Athlon box: Holly (after the senile computer in Red Dwarf)
      166Mhz FreeBSD box: Kate
      iPod: Caroline

      I also name my cars. My first Renault Clio was Kate, my second is Charlotte.

    36. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      By ip address

    37. Re:Names? by PipsqueakOnAP133 · · Score: 1

      My powerbook is named Decker, after the class of people in Shadowrun who run around and plug into networks and use them.

      My windows XP box..... I'm thinking of renaming it "bitch."

    38. Re:Names? by eison · · Score: 1

      Of course. Whatever computer I am presently using is always named "Twerpy". Much better for polite company than "#$^!*^@! broken box of @*#!^&!@".

      --
      is competition good, or is duplication of effort bad?
    39. Re:Names? by golgotha007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      that's the great thing about being the system administrator in charge; you get to name the servers whatever you want.

      as an example, at my old firm, our main ldap/smb, ypserv and nfs server i named 'MOTHER', from the main computer in the original Alien movie. how appropriate too, that IBM Netfinity system really took care of our developers. Mother had an uptime of 378 days when our company decided to move our office. the new office was 20 miles away, and we contemplated keeping the machine on during the move as to not lose the uptime (we had a decent UPS).
      in the end, we decided to shut her down during the transfer. as of today, she has 286 days. what a machine!

      it appears that many sysadmins adopts some sort of naming theme, like calling each system after the name of a jet, or after southpark characters. i don't like this idea; each system really has it's own function and it should be aptly named in this regard.

      boy, Mother sure was a good system. i really miss her.

    40. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I built Frankenputer here from spare parts laying around the computer lab.

    41. Re:Names? by jcuervo · · Score: 1

      For some odd reason, Sauron seems like an appropriate name for a WAP...

      --
      Assume I was drunk when I posted this.
    42. Re:Names? by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 1

      I name each of my linux laptops after types of penguins (gentoo, adelie, chinstrap, emperor, etc). My wife is a Mayan archaeologist and names each of her laptops after Mayan gods (zotz, ixchel, etc).

    43. Re:Names? by PalmerEldritch42 · · Score: 1

      And I thought I was the only one... The 1st computer I ever built was Arthur, then I made a dual-processor machine named Zaphod. I have 2 laptops (Pinky and Benji) and what was (when I bought it) a new and sexy machine named Trillian. then I got the much more powerful HeartOfGold. Ford is my router.

      --
      Ceci n'est pas une sig.

      :wq!

    44. Re:Names? by dizee · · Score: 1
      last job that i worked at for 6 years, 4 of them as sole sysad:

      • primary dns server: mudflap (old office joke that began: "once, i was a mudflap...on a truck, and rocks kept hitting me and shit")
      • various mail servers: ornery (because the 3ware card was a bitch to get working, turns out i had a defective card from a bad fab), westsavannah (named for an outkast song), sighup (no particular reason)
      • radius server: findane (fin d'ane, french, something about ass)
      • accounting web server: doppio (this one was also some foreign translation of something, but i have no idea what of)
      • postgres server: escuelle (because people like to call it 'sequel', and yeah i know it looks like eskwell)
      • my win98 development box: illadelph (shortened version of philladelphia, named after hip hop band "the roots" album, illadelph halflife)
      • old cisco 1000 providing primary routing back when we only had a single T1: ribbit
      • that same cisco 1000 when it was replaced by a cisco 7000 and became a router for a cross-town RADSL link: spatula

      routes traced into the network were amusing to say the least.

      we used to use livingston portmaster 3 units in addition to ascend max units for dialup. we phased out the pm3s in favor of the ascend max units, particularly when livingston was bought out by lucent. in order to have a legal license to use lucent's radiusd, we bought an old portmaster2 off ebay for pennies, hooked it up, assigned it an ip address and hostname, then used it to prop open the door downstairs. it became "doorstop" in the zone files...

      we also had a few /24s for dial-up pools that we began naming after simpsons characters, though other things started taking precedence over playing with hostnames.

      -mike
    45. Re:Names? by Stephen+Williams · · Score: 1

      My naming convention is minor female characters from Greek mythology.

      What is the name of your computer?

      I'm currently sat at "chryseis", my main home box. Under my desk is "nysa", my old Amiga A1200. At work, the Linux machine I usually use is "elektra"; I also have an UltraSPARC on my desk called "theia".

      -Stephen

    46. Re:Names? by noidentity · · Score: 1

      "Yep, currently I'm typing on Gandalf the laptop and dinking around on Pippin the Pocket PC, accessing the Internet through Sauron the wireless access point and Aragorn the firewall, while my wife plays games on Eowyn the PC, my daughter plays games on Gimli the other PC, and Samwise the web server silently does his job in the background. Legolas the old web server lies disemboweled on the floor after an unfortunate shield-sledding accident."

      No need to name your daughter or wife since there is only one of each.

    47. Re:Names? by goddess32585 · · Score: 1

      of course I name mine!
      for network purposes, I give them respectable names: my laptop is Red Robot C-63 (crush all hu-mans!) and my desktop is Trogdor (burninate!).
      in daily conversation, however, my laptop is known as "special cadet," a moniker inherited from its high-school-issued predecessor, a dell which was infinitely flakier than my current ibm r40. I refer to it as such because it probably got slapped as often as the more "special" of the fellows at the military school across campus...

    48. Re:Names? by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      No can do. Ever since Strongbad imagined what he would be like as a "moderately hot chick", I'd repressed all memory of his existence. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go spend a few hours driving him back into the deepest recesses of my mind.

      --

      You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!

    49. Re:Names? by System.out.println() · · Score: 1

      Indeed.... my Powerbook became known as "My Precious" when I began to act like Gollum (I even got a Ring icon for my HD icon)... I barely let this thing out of my sight, and have been known to sheild it with my own body on occasion.

    50. Re:Names? by bprime · · Score: 1

      I'm putting together an overpriced dual athlon system. It's quite ridiculous, will probably be useless, and costs way too much money. I'm naming it after my old boss, because of his obsession with windows 98, nt 4.0, and quad xeon 550mhz servers that he pays 4000 dollars for "because that's a solid deal, you know". The secondary purpose is to spite him - he hates athlons with a passion ever since he couldn't get NT4.0 workstation to install on one and blamed it on the chip. BOFH.

    51. Re:Names? by UnassumingLocalGuy · · Score: 1
      My main desktop is named Chablis, my laptop is Derringer, and my server is XO. So what's the naming scheme here?
      • Chablis: Code name for Apple Macintosh SE.
      • XO: Code name for Apple Macintosh Classic.
      • Derringer: Code name for Apple Powerbook 100
      Granted, these are all x86 boxen; Chablis running Slack9.1, and the other two running FreeBSD 4.9.
      --
      "Hu, ho, ho-ah-oh-oh-oh. Hu, ho ho-ah-oh-oh-oh. Mario Paint! Whoaaa!"
    52. Re:Names? by Nick+Harkin · · Score: 1

      I hate to admit it, but I do as well.

      I have three computers, first one named Bebop, with drives Spike, Jet, Faye and Ed.

      Second named Noir, only one drive on that, named Chloe, the printer is connected to that, named Athena.

      Third one is called Tokyo, and only has one hard drive as well, name Eva01.

      *Shrug* It works for me.....

    53. Re:Names? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but I named it after Barry Allen, civilian identity of The Flash, the fastest man alive. Oh, wait! Now I remember you! {smile}

      --
      http://alternatives.rzero.com/
    54. Re:Names? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      I name mine after logicians. My main box (Linux) is Aristotle; the Windows 95 box is Frege; another Linux box is Boole; and my laptop (Linux/WinXP Home) is Ockham.

    55. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MCP

      from Tron

    56. Re:Names? by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you usually name them after Star Trek characters. My computer is named James T. Kirk and the computers at my school's lab have a Deep Space 9 naming convention (Sisko, Odo, Garak, etc.)

      --
      Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
    57. Re:Names? by ezthrust · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I have a Powerbook (Bonsai) and eMac (Marshmallow).

      Mainly because I don't like the "Mason's Computer" name that OSX comes up with.

    58. Re:Names? by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      Drusilla: she's dual boot, so a tiny bit schizophrenic, Sometimes she seems to just go off and do her own thing - though that could be caused by another user, and getting a bit quirky now that's she's about 3 years old...

      --
      Sara
      Designer, Gamer, Macgrrl in an XP World
    59. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Naming of Hosts is a difficult matter,
      It isn't just one of your holiday games;
      You may think at first I'm as mad as a hatter
      When I tell you, a host must have THREE DIFFERENT NAMES.

    60. Re:Names? by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1
      $ ping Jormngandr
      ping: unknown host Jormngandr

      $ ping Jornmgandr
      ping: unknown host Jornmgandr

      $ ping `grep Jorn /etc/hosts | cut -f1`
      PING 192.168.0.x (192.168.0.x) 56(84) bytes of data.
      64 bytes from 192.168.0.x: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.066 ms
      64 bytes from 192.168.0.x: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.071 ms
      Yep, that's so much easier..
    61. Re:Names? by Bronster · · Score: 1

      $ ping Jormngandr
      ping: unknown host Jormngandr

      sudo vi /etc/hosts

      /Jorn<cr>A Jorn<esc>:wq<cr>

      $ ping Jorn
      PING 192.168.0.x (192.168.0.x) 56(84) bytes of data.
      64 bytes from 192.168.0.x: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.066 ms
      64 bytes from 192.168.0.x: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.071 ms

      Or use a DNS server and CNAMES like $DIETY intended.

    62. Re:Names? by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      Exactly. My parents thought I was nuts at first for naming our Power Mac G4 "Arthur" and our Performa 6400 "Algernon". Now, however, my mom's PowerBook G3 is Isabella, while my dad's new PMG4 is Julius with a hard drive named Calpurnia. The laser printer is Herbert.

      Of course, when I come home and bring Louise, it adds a whole slew of hard drive names--Guenevere, Agamemnon and Esmerelda--that nobody but me can keep track of.

      --
      I found the meaning of life the other day, but I had write-only access.
    63. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sighup (no particular reason)

      Suuurrre...

    64. Re:Names? by BrainStain · · Score: 1

      I use a surjective mapping of names to machines and bijective mapping of names to IP numbers as I have one PC with two names depending on which network interface I am using, eg. lap2 for wired and wlap2 for wireless. This is to keep DHCP, which is hard wired for MAC id, in sync with my DNS server. In some cases havoc will ensue if I call a machine by the wrong name as it gets into a state of, er, cognitive dissonance. So, not only do I have to keep my machines separated, some of the machines are not separate machines.

    65. Re:Names? by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      I had a friend who named all his systems with LOTR names. This was back in the day, before the movies were even in preproduction. I actually have every node on my network named after various girls named Lindsay that I know. Don't ask. I didn't realise I had done it until I was four systems in, and then, I just sort of went with it. It wasn't even intentional, or stalkerish. It just started off that I was asking a girl what I should use as the network name for a system. She didn't have a good idea, so I just used her AIM handle, and went from there. Most of the names are derived from AIM handles, others from nicknames, or last names. Unfortunately, I ran out of Lindsays, so I have one system simply names G3.

      I hope I don't get a second Power Mac G3. There could be chaos. Or, I'd have to meet more girls named Lindsay. Thankfully, most of my computers aren't on the network, so they don't have names. If they did, I'd have to be social to keep my naming scheme going. That, or use celebrity Lindsays. I could name my G3 "lohan" I guess...

      That G3 is kinda cute, curvy, and under 18 years old, so it'd fit, too.

    66. Re:Names? by mooniejohnson · · Score: 1

      Xanadu for my OS X box, and Cygnus for my Linux box. Of course, named after Rush songs.

      --

      Elmo knows where you live!

    67. Re:Names? by rekt · · Score: 1

      or turned around! i'm so confused! which is left and which is right again?

    68. Re:Names? by sparrow_hawk · · Score: 1

      Of course I do -- in fact, I recall reading a survey of sysadmins in the old Internet World magazine listing the most popular categories of names (Star Trek and Monty Python were close to the top, IIRC).

      For what it's worth, my Pentium III machine (used to be bleeding-edge way back in '99) is called obsidian, my rock-solid Alpha-based development server is granite, and my firewall is brimstone. :) The rest of the house has Windoze boxen named after their owners. Ugh.

    69. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone with more than one PC names their computer. How else do you keep networked machines separated in your head?

      What?? You dont remember the MAC address of each machine on your network?? Dare call yourself a geek?

    70. Re:Names? by kendallemm · · Score: 1
      (I've been allowed to name and old AS2100 running Linux: Neptune, sooo much better ;) )

      Fantastic! My big box (is a PIII 450 big?) is named neptune too, and she's served me faithfully since '99. I've also got lamprey and mama which are X terminals, and aegir my print spooler. At one point (98ish?) I also had fossil a 386 who has long since been retired. Oh, and my wap (it's a linksys and running linux also) is flying
    71. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call my server "Shithead", my desktop "Fuckwit", and my laptop "Fonz".

      Guess which are the Windows machines and which one runs Fedora...

    72. Re:Names? by insomaniac · · Score: 1

      As a sysadmin I have to take care of many computers, the only way to refer to them easily is by name. I kinda have a thing for egyptian and greek mythological characters tho. I'm typing this in on icarus the laptop. The nameservers are called hathor and osiris. The monitoring server is called anubis and the database server is called sia. I have a lot more but I won't go into those...

      --
      The way to corrupt a youth is to teach him to hold in higher value them who think alike than those who think differently
    73. Re:Names? by skvngrx · · Score: 1

      Certainly do.

      I used to have them themed around their purpose (server, workstation, etc.) or box type (laptop, tower, etc.) but now they are all named after a particular type of liquid. Here goes:

      My Thinkpad (XP): ardbeg
      My Powerbook (Panther): knockando
      My Tower (XP): lagavulin
      Web/DB Server (2kS): oban
      Mail/DNS/etc. (FreeBSD 4.X): cardhu
      Fileserver (FreeBSD 5.X): springbank
      Router (m0n0wall): cragganmore

      oh, and the wife's Thinkpad (XP): jimbeam
      (ah well, she's not a fan of the single malt)

    74. Re:Names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm typing this on Uranus, the father figure of my network. All the network internet goes through Gaia, the mother of the gods. The public-esque computer in the other room is Prometheus stealing the bandwidth from the gods.

  29. Ahh by jabbadabbadoo · · Score: 1
    My computer has a huge female connector. I'm more than emotionally attached to it.

    Oh my god, I HAVE A PARALLELL PORT FETISH.

    1. Re:Ahh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's too easy to make the obvious joke about the size of the pins needed to insert..

  30. There's more than the computer... by 0xC0FFEE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At my place of work, there's a pool of computers and its first come first serve. There are various factors for choosing a computer for the day in the pool... There's the flat-screen VS CRT issue, there's the near-the-door VS corner VS window issue, there's the where's the nice-chick-gonna-sit-today issue. So I can see that you make preferences toward a particular computer, but is it because of the computer? hardly.

  31. "My Computer" by The+Creator · · Score: 1

    Bah I whould _never_ insult Maria by calling her that!

    --

    FRA: STFU GTFO
    1. Re:"My Computer" by tobechar · · Score: 1

      Just like on the Hackers Movie, where we all found out that naming your computer and refering to it with a human name was very cool.

      While having difficulty configuring a samba share between boxes 'emily' and 'joseph'....Mom, joseph and emily are fighting again, can you please do something?
      --
      -
  32. Expandability by wkitchen · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "A better advertising strategy might be to portray computers as something durable and reliable, something that grows with you," Prof Sundar told BBC News Online.
    Back in the days of 8-bit home computers, many were promoted that way. "Expandability" was a major selling point, even if it only meant having a variety of external peripherals that you could plug into it. Now that we have an almost overwhelming variety of add-ons for every mainstream platform, you don't hear much about that any more.
  33. Nope by cybermace5 · · Score: 1

    I have zero attachment to my computers. I don't talk to them, I don't feel anything more for them than I would a hammer or a drill. They're equipment to maintain. If it breaks, I will either fix it or throw it out.

    --
    ...
    1. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      windows 98 user, on a pentium1 120mHz huh?

    2. Re:Nope by nomadic · · Score: 1

      You brute!

    3. Re:Nope by jtev · · Score: 1

      Well, as someone who gets attached to hammers, multi-meters, screwdrivers, drills, swords, axes, my car, my PDA, my stylus pen, and just about every other tool I regularly use, I wonder about anyone who doesn't get attached to those things. sure sometimes you have to move on, but knowing your tools helps you get the most out of them.

      --
      That which is done from love exists beyond good and evil
  34. Computer lab seating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Rather than seen as a preference for a particular computer, maybe the selection is being made based on the seating location in the room and the computer just happens to be there. Sounds like we need some controls.

    1. Re:Computer lab seating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's like picking a particular seating area when you get on a bus (and have a choice).

  35. This is no surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a lab full of identical machines, the crappiness of Windows and the hardware vendors using the cheapest parts they can find means some of those computers will run problem-free, and some will be incurably flaky and crashy.

    When someone who just wants to get their God damned work done with a minimum of hassle needs to use a lab computer, which computer do you think they'll choose:

    1) One that has on a previous occasion eaten some of their unsaved work due to a crash,

    or

    2) one where everything went fine and they didn't have to obsessively hit "Save" every minute out of fear, or redo what they were working on from scratch because the computer shit the bed?

    1. Re:This is no surprise by daniel_mcl · · Score: 1

      Some of the "identical" computers in the lab here seem to die a lot more often than others. After further examination, our ITS guy determined people were screwing them up somehow (I never heard exactly why), but it was always the same two machines or so. Maybe the people who preferred those computers preferred installing spyware/porn dialers/etc. ?

      Of course, now everyone just uses the new one with the enormous monitor to play UT2004...

      --
      I used to read Caltizzle. I was a lot cooler than you.
  36. Speak? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    and I thought it was just me that speaks to my PC

    http://www.fu-fme.com/

  37. Loyalty? by tobechar · · Score: 1

    Your computer is a tool, nothing more. Does anyone feel loyal to a spoon?

    While people do grow fond of their machines, many people just hate them. Obviously the real meaning of this post is that the tools around us can be given human emotions. Some people hate their cars for instance, while other people just love them. Many more people will just tell you its a car, who cares?

    Perhaps if we spend a lot of time using a perticular tool, human nature helps us treat the tool like we would another person.

    Or, perhaps I just woke up and can't form intelligent thoughts?

    --
    -
    1. Re:Loyalty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually when I was a little kid I did have a favourite spoon. I wouldn't eat if I couldn't have my spoon. Thankfully I grew out of that rather obsessive behaviour quite quickly.

    2. Re:Loyalty? by tobechar · · Score: 1

      You were a kid then, but imagine people fighting about a spoon in their mid-twenties... Now THAT is scary. :)

      --
      -
    3. Re:Loyalty? by toasted_calamari · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't feel loyalty to my computers, and I don't personify them. However, I feel far more comfertable using my computers than someone elses. The only reason I can think is that I have my computers set up exactly the way I want them, and have been fine tuning hardware and software layout over the life of the device. When I use someone else's computer, I have to get used to there layout.

    4. Re:Loyalty? by Maljin+Jolt · · Score: 1

      Your computer is a tool, nothing more. Does anyone feel loyal to a spoon?

      Did you ever use a sword? Probably not. You cannot understand. I keep up my computers with the same respect as my swords. They are even more powerfull.

      --
      There you are, staring at me again.
    5. Re:Loyalty? by Obfiscator · · Score: 1
      I own a handful of guns. I treat my guns with much more respect than my computers.

      My computers won't kill a person if I screw up using them.

      --
      "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." -Indiana Jones
    6. Re:Loyalty? by Maljin+Jolt · · Score: 1

      I own a handful of guns. I treat my guns with much more respect than my computers. My computers won't kill a person if I screw up using them.

      Some 20 years ago, I did some Z-80 assembly coding on firmware of a radiology medical device. It was very easy to endanger up to death a person with a software bug or hardware wiring fault. Since then, I treat a computer as an extension of my own will and responsibility, which is usually attributed only to weapons.

      --
      There you are, staring at me again.
    7. Re:Loyalty? by Obfiscator · · Score: 1
      Oh, I agree that some people might have that issue. I, however, am a computational chemist. If I screw up at a computer, either I lose all my work or water now has a normal boiling point of 1000K. Disturbing, sure, but not life-threatening.

      So for me, guns deserve more respect than computers.

      --
      "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." -Indiana Jones
  38. is it the PC or its position relative to the room? by ancyent_marinere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It'd be interesting to see how they actually conducted the tests, because I know people tend to sit in the same places in class over the course of a semester and that they seem to find analogous places to sit even for different classes when they're in different rooms (and this in the absence of any computers whatsoever). Maybe they're not as much attached to that one particular computer as they are to a certain "comfort zone" within the computer lab? Perhaps as a control study, they should make individual computers easily recognizable and then move the computers around to see whether the users move accordingly to stay with the computer or whether they would stay with the location and use the new computer there. I'd also be interested in seeing whether there is a difference in the level of attachment between Mac and PC users. Anyways, there are lots of variations with the parameters one can play with to tease apart this problem, and I'd love to see the researchers delve more indepth into them.

  39. Shitty Logic by NineNine · · Score: 0, Troll

    Did this stupid fucking guy ever think that people wanted to use particular computers just because they worked better than others in the lab, or had different programs installed, or weren't infected with viruses, etc? That's a shitty "study" if he jumps to the conclusion that this happens because people anthromorphise computers. All he can conclude from this study is that students using computer lab computers tend to prefer specific ones.

  40. i'm more specific by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i feel different levels of affection and attachment to different parts of my computer. i sit here looking at the insides of my tower which i never put the side on, and i feel differently about each piece of equipment in there.
    i hate it when people blame the whole computer for something that is the fault of a specific part, or operating system.

  41. Other explanations by tverbeek · · Score: 1
    People don't use the same computer necessarily out of "loyalty". Observe students selecting seats in a classroom (i.e. no computers), and you'll see them go to the same ones every time. Even if the friends that they originally chose to sit with aren't there, they'll usually continue sitting in the same place. It's more a matter of habit and the comfort of familiarity with one's environment, than an emotional attachment to the things themselves.

    Of course when you introduce computers (or any kind of equipment) into the equation, something resembling "loyalty" can come into it, but even then it's often simply a matter of "I know this machine works"/"I like the theme that's installed on this one"/"I saved my files on this hard drive".

    --
    http://alternatives.rzero.com/
    1. Re:Other explanations by djplurvert · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is very true. In fact, you will upset students if you disrupt the seating after the first couple of weeks. In philosophy of religion some of us decided to sit in other peoples seats about halfway through the course in an attempt to modify the dynamics of discussion. People were clearly uncomfortable, so uncomfortable in fact, that some of the group gave up after a couple of days. Perhaps they were uncomfortable not being in their own seats, who knows.

  42. Or, it could be due to other reasons. by gotr00t · · Score: 1

    Perhaps there is a force stronger than sentiment dictating what computer terminals a person is "loyal" to. This is becuase even in public terminals, there will be stuff that is saved after a session. For example, I always use computer S59 at a local lab not only becase of sentiment, but also because of the fact that someone took the security software off of it, allowing me to change the keyboard to Dvorak. Others might have documents saved on the hard disk, or pages bookmarked on a certain computer.

  43. Computer Labs by Sardak · · Score: 1

    When I was is school still, I didn't choose a particular computer, but one where I had someone to talk to while I ignored the lecture.

  44. I love my computer. by clifgriffin · · Score: 0

    Long before its fans spun to life and its circuits surged with electricity, I was there picking out the components with love and great care.

    Later I assembled it oh so carefully, trying to set things up for maximum efficiency.

    It's fast, it's stable. It entertains me, it enlightens me, it serves as a window to the rest of the world. I can trust my computer (it even runs Windows XP Pro!). I have everything just the way I like it, when I use my computer I'm highly efficient. Its like an extension of my body.

    And when things break or stop working just right, I lovingly nurture them back to health.

    I love my computer. I hope my computer loves me.

    *raises glass of milk* This one's for you, my love.

  45. Apple Gets It by frohike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Spend a few minutes talking to any user of an Apple product and you'll understand that Apple Gets It on this topic. Macs, iPods, etc, are all very personable computers, with interfaces designed to feel very organic (like the pulsing, heartbeat-like glow on sleeping monitors / iBooks, rounded edges on windows, shadows, etc).

    Dodge also Got It in a big way back with the Neon, though unrelated to cars. Anyone remember the ads that had the Neons bouncing up and down and saying "Hi!"? Anyone who owned a Neon knows that everything down to the horn's sound reinforces that image :) (Yes, I owned one of those too...)

    1. Re:Apple Gets It by wkitchen · · Score: 2, Funny
      Dodge also Got It in a big way back with the Neon, though unrelated to cars.
      It must have been pretty awful to be considered "unrelated to cars".
    2. Re:Apple Gets It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Doh... must... read... preview :) I had an excuse though, I had cinnamon rolls in the oven, whose tasty temptation can not long be denied.

    3. Re:Apple Gets It by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 1

      It seems that Disney's "Herbie the Love Bug" may have been the earliest movie to anthropomorphize (whew!) automobiles in this way, though I'm probably not correct. (Umm, "Chitty-Chitty Bang-Bang"?) Earlier?

      --

      They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
    4. Re:Apple Gets It by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      The Neon is actually an excellent way to prove your point. That car is an unmitigated shitbox but it's "cute" so people love it.

      As a further way to prove your point, continuing on the Neon theme: The PT Cruiser is based on the Neon platform. To make a Neon into a PT you must dramatically increase the interior room, which raises the center of gravity; then fuck up the rear suspension, raise the engine four inches (thus raising the CG even further), and eliminate all rear visibility. Yet, people are buying them in fleets and droves.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  46. It's that tough love ! by bushboy · · Score: 1

    My computer knows when I'm angry at it, it's tough love - you have to show the beast who the boss really is !

    really isa really iss eally his deally iss reay is bzzt bzz t bzzzzt

    --
    A slashdotting - you get the stick first and then the carrot !
  47. I'm attached to my puter by blackholepcs · · Score: 1

    But not because I associate human qualities to it. It's because I love using it. I gain knowledge, entertainment, and mindless relaxation time from it.

    I play games on a daily basis, listen to or burn music at least twice a week, and I watch .avi's from my neighbors IRC server whenever he gets something new.

    But, I do get POSESSIVE of my system. My wife hates my computer because she thinks that she has to compete with it. Now, before anyone starts spewing crap about women and computers and competing and all that, let me clarify by stating that my wife is very insecure from a previous marriage. I spend two hours a day max on my puter when she is home. When she is not home, I have my fill. When she is home, I spend a cumulative 2 hours checking emails, reading /., or playing a game for a few minutes to test a hex edit or something. The possesiveness comes in when she starts trying to hold the computer over my head (not literrally) and saying she is going to sell it or smash it. Then, as anyone else would with any item they own, I get possessive and protective. Then she turns around and accuses me of liking the computer more than I like her. Well, no, I am just trying to protect a several thousand dollar investment from senseless destruction by a crazed raging woman! BTW, she DID smash my last puter. Dell P4 2.0Ghz, 100Gb 7200 RPM, Geforce 4 4200 64Mb OC'd, 512Mb RDRAM, all useless after she smashed it on the floor and stomped on it. Luckily the 21" Trinitron monitor only suffered a crack in the corner of the case. Wheww!

    Anyway, if pressed, I guess I would say that the only human attribute I give to my puter is mischief. But I don't beleive that is attributable soley to my system. I think the OS has more than a little to do with that. (Read: Windows XP Pro still has some issues under heavy usage, ie. running Sacred while downloading 400Mb zip file AND leeching files from neighbors server)

    --
    Halitosis - (n.) Halle Berry's Camel Toe.
    1. Re:I'm attached to my puter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow.

      Seriously.

      You both need some counseling.

    2. Re:I'm attached to my puter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with anony. If the bitch (your wife no less) is smashing up your computer, something is wrong. If some bitch smashed my computer I'd fucking kick her right out the door, married or not...

    3. Re:I'm attached to my puter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      BTW, she DID smash my last puter. Dell P4 2.0Ghz, 100Gb 7200 RPM, Geforce 4 4200 64Mb OC'd, 512Mb RDRAM, all useless after she smashed it on the floor and stomped on it.
      If my wife did that, she'd be served with divorce papers within 24 hours. Not because I value my computer more than her, but because that is a symptom of a far worse mental problem. And if she smashed your computer, it's probably only a matter of time before she has another episode and smashes YOU. Get out while there's still time.
    4. Re:I'm attached to my puter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha that was really funny. your wife is one crazy bitch.

    5. Re:I'm attached to my puter by blackholepcs · · Score: 1

      Well, there is more to it than that. While there was not a good reason for her to do what she did, she DOES have issues, and I understand those issues. I am a pretty patient guy, and can tolerate a lot of stuff. I understand where she is coming from, and she is going to counseling. I love her, and that is more important to me than my computer. (Yes, I know that is a revolting statement to most /.er's, but oh well) I did leave her for a few months last year, and she finally pulled her head out of her ass. Now things have been great, and she is the woman I married, not the woman I left.

      --
      Halitosis - (n.) Halle Berry's Camel Toe.
    6. Re:I'm attached to my puter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah man, don't listen to these wankers, they have no compassion. I'm glad you stuck with her even though she was going through some rough times.

  48. not what I expected by DissidentHere · · Score: 2

    I sort of expected an article about people preffering to use thier own PCs and going to lengths to not have to use someone elses or a public terminal.

    But, after I RTFA, there seem to more questions than answers. For example, were they Windows PCs? I don't ask just because this is /., but I can see some psych major wanting to use a specific PC because it had never crashed on her/him before, but the one over there _always_ crashes when trying to save a Word doc. There may be a bit of truth to this midnset, I have Windows boxes that crash once in a blue moon, and I some that crash daily, mostly due to what is loaded/running. Or, maybe that psych major just happens to go to the copmuter lab when the sun and moon are aligned just so, and the PCs birthday and the users birthday happens to correspond with the orbit of Jupiter and it IS the magic PC that never crashes.

    Or were some people willing to wait so they could use a Mac? I do this all the time. Sure I could write up that documentation at work, but I'd rather go home and do it on my Mac. OK, maybe I'm crazy if I specifically bring work home so I can do it on Mac. Yes, certianly a bit crazy....

    --
    "None of us are as dumb as all of us." - meeting mantra
  49. As my economics professor explained by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Habits are simply economically efficiently ways of doing things. For example, taking a certain route to work everyday means you don't have to figure out how to get to work each day. You save time and brain power.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one that has certain places I prefer to sit. I'm comfortable with the view, etc, that they provide. Computers are simply an extension of that.

  50. But mine talks back by Trailwalker · · Score: 1
    We attribute social characteristics and treat them as autonomous


    This is nothing new. It is in the nature of humans to anthropomorphize unpredictable objects. Men have done this with ships for millenia. And cars, and etc.

    My server cackles and sneers when I try to run a newly written script. As does my wife. Only the cat shows any sympathy.
  51. Tendencies.... by Lord+Haha · · Score: 1

    "The tendency to treat computers as human could lead to people favouring or even blindly accepting computer-generated information, to the point of depending on it over superior alternatives, warned Prof Sundar. "

    It is very true, I goto university and I still (after 2 years, and being on dean's list for both) not used the library for any research; google (my favorite cluster of pcs) can dish up information quicker then any libarian could and quite frankly more accurate if you know how to search properly.

  52. particularly computers associated with victories by gevmage · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I have my 486-66 on my network as my CD burner. It's certainly not the most efficient machine to do that on, and in fact compared to everything else I own is horribly slow.

    However, I am loathe to give it up because that's the machine that I played and beat Dark Forces on when I was in graduate school. (After my qualifying exams, I went home and played DF for about 4 days straight. Ah--those were the days!)

    --
    Craig Steffen
    http://www.craigsteffen.net
  53. no no no no no.... by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

    you're merely too SCSI for your computer to want to mate with you!!

    I have trouble myself... according to my internet personals i'm not 'IBM Compatible' :-(

  54. Dunno about talking to... by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

    I don't really talk to my computers per say (Except, of course, the occasional expletive if something goes wrong) But certainly I attribute human characteristics to them.

    For example, one of the machines at work has a tendency to go into "sleep" mode and can't be revived without shutting them off. I tell my boss it has narcolepsy. Another won't connect to the network drive (where the data is kept) until you manually access it, even though it says the drive is mounted and ready. That one just doesn't like to get up in the morning. :)

    People have been anthropomorphizing animals and machines for as long as they've been a part of society. I'm sure everyone knows at least one person who refers to their car/boat as if it was a person (usually female?). I think it's just a way to express personal attachment and to rationalize behavior in a way we're naturally comfortable with.

    The car isn't broken down, it just "isn't feeling good". If you can't get the drivers to work with your new sound card, it's "being stubborn", or "it doesn't like it".

    Once you've made that kind of attachment to something, of course you're going to integrate it more fully into your life. It becomse your "favorite" machine. It's definately a step above mere habit.

    Oh, I'd also like to be the first to make a Ghost in the Shell reference! Batou and the Tachikoma. Each Tachikoma is exactly identical, even sharing the same experiences thanks to syncronizing their data every night, but Batou always chooses one specific one to help him with stuff, and only gives that particular unit the natural oil. (Much to the confusion of the other Tachikoma)
    =Smidge=

  55. 1998? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n00b! My computer's been evolving since 1987.

    Current oldest component: USR Courier modem, circa 1994. Rarely used.

    I also have a 5.25" floppy drive.

  56. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...this would explane why people use Linux. ;)

  57. naming by Apreche · · Score: 1

    my friends like to give weird names to their computers. Then they call their computers by the names. I mean sure, you have to name computers for dns purposes. Or if you have a lot of boxen you have to be able differentiate between them. I have two computers, bedroom server and desktop machine. The one in the bedroom is protoman and the desktop machine is apreche. I dont' ever actually call them by their names though. I say "the bedroom server" or "my computer". Other people actually call their main machines by the names they give them. It's freaky, geeky and weird. Polly shouldn't be as we like to say (see the simpsons episode where homer has a crayon in his nose). Don't be a freak. Your computer is not a person, it is a machine/tool. Treat it as such.

    --
    The GeekNights podcast is going strong. Listen!
    1. Re:naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... boxen ..."

      FUCK YOU

    2. Re:naming by man_ls · · Score: 1

      If referring to the machine, I'll refer to it by it's location/relationship to me. "My computer", "the family computer", "the receptionist's computer"

      If I'm referring to the network, I'll refer to the system by it's DNS name. "It's on fileserver1, it's on rig, it's on gateway.tfinterlinecorp.link" for example.

    3. Re:naming by Little+Brother · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Having managed a computer lab before, I can say that the behavior of naming computers is VERY handy, especialy when one computer might change roles or you might have redundant computers for a single role. Instead of having to explain "I mean the old server, that is currently not acting as the server, but will again" or "The third workstation from the right, that's my right, your left." or somesuch you can simply say "Rocky" or "Janet" and easily differentiate which system we're dealing with. (No my boss never realized I named all the computers after characters from "Rocky Horror Picture Show")

      Those habits have been very usefull outside the lab and at other jobs but mostly when dealing with my parents. They have several computers and sometimes I have to troubleshoot over the phone. As they sometimes forget they switched locations of a coutple of computers since last I was there, it is VERY handy that I've gotten them to refer to computers by name (in this case we're using a Norse God Pantheon naming scheme, not Rocky).

      --

      Little Brother, watching the watchers

    4. Re:naming by jcuervo · · Score: 1
      Having managed a computer lab before, I can say that the behavior of naming computers is VERY handy, especialy when one computer might change roles or you might have redundant computers for a single role.
      Yeah, as long as you name them right. Kind of funny: at work, some of the machines are named after people. I asked about this, and my boss said it's so that when one of them goes down, you can say "Bob's down, Bob's fucked, Bob sucks, Bob can go to hell", etc.

      Anyway. Yeah, I talk to my machines. They even have nicknames. Digits = "d", Zerokarma = "z", Crossbone = "bones". Another interesting thing is that bones' (a laptop) transformer ate it a while ago, and I didn't have the time or willpower to find out what was wrong, so I just went and got another machine. Now I have two machines named bones; whichever one has bones' hard drive becomes bones. (The other hdd is a failed win95/98 install, don't remember which. Originally was going for Debian until I realized I should probably *sigh* have a Windows box around somewhere.)

      </ramble>
      --
      Assume I was drunk when I posted this.
  58. What superior alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The tendency to treat computers as human could lead to people favouring or even blindly accepting computer-generated information, to the point of depending on it over superior alternatives, warned Prof Sundar.

    When my neighbors dog started barking orders at me I told him to shut up. I only listen to Clippy and MS Bob!

    Signed,
    Grandson of Sam

  59. OBLIG Simpsons Quote! by Cruxus · · Score: 1

    My computer is my friend, confident, secret lover!

    --
    On vit, on code et puis on meurt.
  60. Based on the Filthy Keyboard Alone by the0ther · · Score: 1

    Come on people! Is there any surprise here really? Look at the keyboard you are typing on. It is filthy. I think it's obviously in my best interest to keep my filthy little button pressers on one and only one set of buttons. Monogamy!

  61. Familiarity == Trust with many prodcuts by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

    I know and trust my computers. They have their quriks but I know how to work around them. It is the same with my Yukon (like a Suburban, but 18" shorter). Hell, it can be the same with people, too. I know my priest and I trust him. I won't automagically have the same amount of trust for another priest just because he has the same office.
    My iBook G4 has some sort of trackpad issue. I know how to work around it. My father tried to use it and he hates it. I hate the computer that I have to use at school, but always use the same one rather than a different one even though they are all "exactly the same" just out familiarity. This machine runs Windows 2000 Pro jsut now. I bought it from eRacks running FreeBSD. I built the computer I had before that (started out as an AMD K6 400Mhz and then moved to Dual Celeron 366Mhz). I loved that machine because I knew EVERYTHING about it. I knew exactly what all the hardware was. I hated having to install Linux or BSD on a machine "back in the day" if it wasn't my box because I didn't know the hardware and configuring X or the network card was a real bitch.
    Once you become familiar with a product, person, or dog, you can work around the flaws. I don't think that it's really that people "love" a specific machine (except Macintoshes), rather than they know what to expect and the get comfort out of that. I know this is the case for me.

  62. Of course computers have human attributes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Mostly skin flakes and hair.

  63. Hell yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd do Ana Nova.

  64. You thought wrong. by bjtuna · · Score: 1

    and I thought it was just me that speaks to my PC....

    Don't be silly. I speak to your PC when you're not around.

  65. News Dependence by wkitchen · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the article:
    "We increasingly view computers as sources of information not just mediums of information. We attribute social characteristics and treat them as autonomous," said the professor.

    This could lead to an over dependence on electronically-generated news and information.

    The tendency to treat computers as human could lead to people favouring or even blindly accepting computer-generated information, to the point of depending on it over superior alternatives, warned Prof Sundar.
    I think Prof. Sundar is overreaching a bit on this point. First of all, I don't personally know anyone who doesn't readily understand that news on cnn.com comes from CNN, not from inside their computer, any more than they'd think that news on TV originates inside their television. Second, I don't see it as much of a problem if people depend more on computers (by "computers" here I really mean the information resources that can be accessed through them, primarily the Internet) than on other sources of information. Often computers are the "superior alternative". You just have to use good judgement and keep your baloney detection kit in good working order, just as you should do with any other source of information.

    I visited my public library just yesterday. And I can assure you that there is plenty of bunk there too.
    1. Re:News Dependence by Merkuri22 · · Score: 1

      First of all, I don't personally know anyone who doesn't readily understand that news on cnn.com comes from CNN, not from inside their computer, any more than they'd think that news on TV originates inside their television.

      Ohhh, you'd be surprised what people will believe is going on inside of their computers. I'm sure you've all heard the coffee cup holder story. That really does happen. I know a help-desk person who actually had a man bring in his computer where the CD-ROM was bent and coffee-stained. Never underestimate stupid people, they will astound you every time.

  66. Computer #12 by Eberlin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As many have pointed out, loyalty to a computer is, for the most part, based on conditions other than the computer itself.

    Where I work, there are patrons who frequent a particular machine (#12) because it has exhibited features that the other machines don't seem to have. It played streaming audio when the other machines didn't. It was more stable and it was also in the back row. So that's stability, features, and location.

    On the other hand, when I teach at the same place, I encourage people to name their computers. With beginners who are intimidated by machines, I always felt it was better if the machines had a name (other than their numbers). In the end, I suppose that could promote loyalty as it's easier to come back to a named machine than not.

  67. Why expect computers be different? by mikewas · · Score: 1

    People talk to & give names to their animals, cars, firearms, sexual organs ... everything & anything. Why would anybody expect people to not do the same with their computers?

    --

    "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." --Napoleon Bonaparte
    1. Re:Why expect computers be different? by LPetrazickis · · Score: 1

      Animals are people too. Cars, firearms, sexual organs, and computers aren't.

      --
      Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
  68. Yeh i gave up on that idea by Temporo · · Score: 1

    I used to talk to my old computer loads, as though it was making a diference, it was fairly unreliable, so i guess i thought that talking to it made a difference. Now my new comp is fast and does not crash as much YAY!

  69. "Superior alternatives"? by no+longer+myself · · Score: 1
    From the article: "The tendency to treat computers as human could lead to people favouring or even blindly accepting computer-generated information, to the point of depending on it over superior alternatives, warned Prof Sundar."

    This is clearly demonstrated daily on sites like Slashdot, Fark, and the many, many other sites that post links to the news they want you to view. Of course, I'm partial to Slashdot, but I imagine there are those who actually read "The Onion" and think it's real too.

    I think the scary part is where the good professor actually cites the existance of "superior alternatives" without actually giving examples of them. Would he consider T.V. to be "superior"?

    Yeah, I've got a nice wardrobe full of tinfoil hats, but I don't trust any single source unless their information is consistent with information I already know to be accurate. Even then I prefer to have multiple sources that don't look like "cut and paste" jobs.

    And yeah... I'm seriously in love with my computer too. I built it and named it "Belchfire".

  70. This is already happening. by imbaczek · · Score: 2, Funny

    The tendency to treat computers as human could lead to people favouring or even blindly accepting computer-generated information, to the point of depending on it over superior alternatives, warned Prof Sundar.

    This sounds dangerously familiar. Just look at all those people who helped those poor Nigerian guy, or buying all those en.la/rg.em\ent pil|s, or checking out who loves them...

    I won't even bother mentioning Slashdot... oops.

  71. Loyalty?! by SquierStrat · · Score: 1

    I'll start feeling loyalty towards my computer when it can talk to me and feel loyalty towards me.

    --
    Derek Greene
  72. whew! by junkyinny · · Score: 1

    and i thought i was the only one having a sexual relationship with my computer. what a relief.

    1. Re:whew! by torgosan · · Score: 1

      You are...why do your friends call it your square-headed girlfriend?

      --
      "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand". -Milton F.
  73. Timothy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...and I thought it was just me that speaks to my PC...."

    I'm pretty sure it is just you.

  74. My 1984 Volvo is known as Destroyer of Worlds by Oncogene · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bah, everyone knows that electronics and machines in general function better when you name them.

    Isn't that right, Sasha? *pats iPod*

    --

    - - - - - - -
    "All hail the glory of the Hypnotoad."
  75. Well... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    According to BBC News researchers have discovered that people have loyalty to specific computers

    Anyone who has spent serious time as or 30 seconds in the company of a Mac user could have told you that...

    --
    "Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
  76. Consistency by Tribbin · · Score: 1


    It also reflected people's love of consistency, they said.

    Don't you just hate the lack of consistency of some software. Like crashes that seem to be arbitrary.

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    If you mod this up, your slashdot background will turn into a beautiful sunset!
  77. I used to treat my PC as a brother by cyfer2000 · · Score: 1

    Because I used to tap my monitor "gently" like a brother when he showed a blue screen to me.

    And now I am using a Mac at office, and we don't have body contact anymore except key board and mouse. I even don't touch the power button. And I haven't figure out is there a button could do "Cold reboot" on my G4. If you know, pleae tell me.

    So switching to Mac is almost the same of lost a brother.

    --
    There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
  78. Love & Marriage by humpTdance · · Score: 1

    It also reflected people's love of consistency

    From a purely utilitarian point of view, this might be the case. But in the real world, I love my wife despite her imperfections. Maybe that's why I enjoy using Windows XP. Hmmmm

  79. it's not love by neuraloverload · · Score: 1

    ...it's just another contextual baseline to see the world from.

  80. when will they learn? by Phybersyk0 · · Score: 1

    Computers are *TOOLS* people, move along.

  81. Not for me... by TibbonZero · · Score: 1

    Personally, i don't see a difference between computers that I use, as long as they are in general offer the same experience. I have an Intel Desktop and laptop, and an iBook, and a G4 tower, and another G4 tower that I use at work. There are also several G4s that I use around school, and I use my gf's computer occasionally. To me, it doesn't matter too much- as long as the speed is roughly the same (my 800mhz iBook and my dp1.25ghz G4 are close enough for most tasks), and they can do the same things ( I do shy away from the intel computers now, because I can just get things done quicker on the Macs). I just use my .mac services to pull in all my contacts, iCal, and mail temporarly, and pull up my documents from iDisk, and get to work. All the computers I work on have the same programs loaded (FCP, Finale, Protools, Office and Reason being the most important) and if they didn't i'd probably drag around a HD that just had them on there. Its just like cars, my gf's father owns a car repair shop and used car lot (one of the few nice ones that I know of), and oddly enough, he doesn't have 'a car' that he drives, or even really care about driving a nice or new car, his wife does, but he just sees it as another machine that he works on. Sure he buys and sells cars weekly, but doesn't have any attachment to any specific car as long as it gets him there. I've owned about 40-50 computers now, and just see them as computers. I used to stay more on one or two of them, but I didn't have them set up to easily have all my documents, email, and simalar things set up on all of them seemlessly. Now I use my iBook around town, my DP G4 for my editing and more powerful tasks, and the other G4 at work for my main protools tracking. However, if i just switched out some PCI cards, i wouldn't mind using either.

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    Tibbon
    tibbon.com
  82. Re:This is a suprise? by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 5, Funny
    People feel irrational loyalty to operating systems too.

    In the case of Windows, it's more likely to be Stockholm Syndrome than loyalty.

    --
    Sigs are bad for your health.
  83. I regard computers as females, like ships. by zonix · · Score: 1

    This may well sound pretty nerdy to most of you, but I regard my computers as female, you know, like you do with ships. I name them too, however I don't always use female names; they're named after characters from Star Trek TNG.

    I've always thought naming you're computers make them more familiar and perhaps comfortable in away, like old friends.

    I live in Denmark, and the trains in our country's capital have a com system with sampled human voices that tell you where you're going, as well as give you various informational messages, etc. For years they had the same dull male voice until recently when they finally changed it to a female voice. It's funny because it's a totally different experience, like being on a mothership (think sci-fi movies).

    Our new mini metro system in Copenhagen which opened about 2 years ago uses a different female voice. She's downright sexy!

    Of course, all this might be related to some kind of Oedipal complex of mine or something. ;-)

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  84. Good Info for Techies perhaps by djplurvert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Techies should keep this in mind when dealing with their users. Good "computerside" manner really helps to ease users minds, make them feel comfortable with the CHANGES you are making, and getting them to (god I hate this term) "buy-in" to the ideas you are presenting. When you need support from these employees later it will be easier to come by if you have thought of their relationships with their workspaces.

    I, and I suppose most techies, just think of a computer as a box of parts readied to be dumped as soon as any new piece of equipment comes along. The biggest pain to me is getting the configuration, not the data, moved from the old to the new. Users, on the other hand, don't have such an intimate knowledge of the inside of their machines and become attached to certain behaviours/modes of operation because they have attached those behaviours to ideas that they rely on.

    They say things like, "After you boost the rams how will I get to word." One can either respond smugly, or, one can give the user words that make them comfortable. Of course upgrading ram will, at least in most cases, not affect things like access to applications. Instead of trying to educate the user with a technical diatribe simply say "This shouldn't affect your access to word, but we'll make absolutely sure before I leave, how's that?"

    Of course this is slashdot, and I'm preaching to the choir. Given that I've seen SO MANY techs who don't recognize that a human touch would be beneficial to them, however, I felt a need to rant a bit.

    plurvert

    1. Re:Good Info for Techies perhaps by AeroIllini · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One can either respond smugly, or, one can give the user words that make them comfortable.
      **snip**
      Of course this is slashdot, and I'm preaching to the choir.


      I'm not so sure you are. In my experience, I've found that the majority of people who are exceptionally good with computers, such as the general population of Slashdot, simply do not understand the mentality of someone who is not technically inclined. To the novice computer users (and I'm speaking mostly about Windows and Macintosh users here -- the vast majority of Linux users are not novices) a computer is so complex and so powerful that it seems almost like magic. It is a completely new world to them, and it can be a little frightening and/or intimidating, but they plow ahead anyway because this thing is supposed to be easy to use. They really have no intuition regarding how things work. To use your example from above: RAM. Ask a novice computer user what RAM does, and they will likely tell you that it makes their computer faster, or that it gives their computer more memory (and when they say "memory" they are really referring to "disk space" -- many people cannot distinguish the two). Us techies have intuition regarding RAM. We know how it's used as temporary space for running processes and such, and we understand how most of that works on a fundamental level, even if we don't actually hard-code memory locations in our programs. So asking if adding RAM to their machine will affect other areas is a valid question -- they've been told by other people that RAM "makes their computer faster"... i.e., it affects the entire machine. Most techies I know, since the definition of RAM is so basic to them, will usually respond, at first, with astonishment at the supposedly stupid question (even if they don't express it out loud). Many will express astonishment verbally and say something smug, like, "No, of course not," as if they were reminding the user that 2+2 is indeed 4.

      The vast majority of computer users think they know how computers work; so when they ask what we perceive as "stupid questions" they are merely trying to reconsile all the conflicting views of their computers they have gotten from various sources. What the technical community has to learn is how to explain computers to novices without slipping into techspeak, without overwhelming them with information they don't need to know, without condescending, and with the idea that these people are not as passionate about computers as the techie.

      I see a lot of people on Slashdot getting frustruated with "supid users," usually because the users ask what the techie hears as "stupid questions." So I issue a challenge to the technically inclined: if you are unable to explain to a novice how a basic part of the computer works (like the video card) without diving into techincal details the user doesn't care about or talking down to them, then you are bogged down in details and need to step back to see the big picture. You don't know how something works unless you can explain it to a five-year-old.

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    2. Re:Good Info for Techies perhaps by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      I do PC support. I am terribly annoyed by stupid questions. Actually what really annoys me is when someone asks a stupid question, and then doesn't pay attention to the answer. If you REALLY can't get something, take notes. It's not something you're supposed to stop doing when you leave school - school is supposed to teach you skills you'll use all your life.

      Frankly I don't spend too much time explaining how computers work to people. If they really want to know they can take an A+ class or something. That's not my job. My job is to make the computers work and make sure people have enough information to do their job. Knowing how the computer works isn't part of that. Sometimes I explain things to the most intelligent and/or patient users, but in general I just fix things and walk away. Even users who should really know better constantly file problem tickets which say nothing more than "my e-mail doesn't work" or "when I use such and such application it crashes" and then you get to their desk and can find neither hide nor hair of the problem. Since they didn't give you any information (repeatedly, after being told) you can't even tell if it was a transient network problem or if there's something wrong with their PC.

      People don't have to know how to use computers beyond their applications in most cases. That's really not the issue. I don't need them to know how computers work. I need them to listen to my answers when they ask a question. Those who cannot or will not do so are not worth my time outside of my basic job description - But furthermore they only harm themselves and my employer because I get paid the same whether I show up armed with the proper information, or waste a bunch of time figuring it out. Meanwhile if I have to do all the detective work, they're going to be unable to do their job for longer, and they're still going to have to do that work when their computer is "up" again.

      It doesn't matter to me if you're a bricklayer, an accountant, or a CEO, if you ask a question and you don't pay attention to the answer, you can go fuck yaself.

      Finally allow me to address the issue of someone just not understanding the answer. In such a situation you have two options: Ask further questions, or write everything down and just follow instructions. If people ask me new questions that prove that they are listening, then I will continue answering them as long as they keep asking. (I get paid for my time, right?) But when people repeat questions I've already answered, especially in the cases where people have written down those answers in the past then I get annoyed because I DO have better things to do than to stand around repeating myself.

      As for not knowing how something works unless you can explain it to a five year old, I do more or less agree, but five year olds have short attention spans - so do some of the people whose computers I maintain - and thus they will not sit still long enough to learn what you're trying to express.

      And of course, in some cases MY patience runs out, mostly because of people making assumptions. I'll say X is like Y and they'll say "Oh, like Z!" I find few things more frustrating.

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    3. Re:Good Info for Techies perhaps by algedeon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "You don't know how something works unless you can explain it to a five-year-old."

      I was in a talk a couple of years ago and the speaker was Jim Gray (winner of the turing award in 1998) and he also said something along these lines... as a researcher, you have a clear picture of what you are doing if you can easily explain your research to your partner (assuming of course that your partner is not in your field and assuming that he/she understands your explanation).

    4. Re:Good Info for Techies perhaps by AeroIllini · · Score: 1

      "It doesn't matter to me if you're a bricklayer, an accountant, or a CEO, if you ask a question and you don't pay attention to the answer, you can go fuck yaself."

      Agreed. I was not talking about those people who are too arrogant/busy/inattentive/preoccupied/ignorant to listen to the answers to their questions. Those people who ask questions with the intent of getting verification of their preconcieved answer (as opposed to really wanting to know the answer) are not worth anyone's time. If your answer isn't what they wanted to hear, they will simply ask more questions to justify their original answer to themselves. They are not learning; they're just securing their opinion.

      "People don't have to know how to use computers beyond their applications in most cases. That's really not the issue. I don't need them to know how computers work. I need them to listen to my answers when they ask a question."

      Something about this attitude strikes me as a little elitist. You, the PC Support Person, has all the Knowledge and Power needed to Fix The Computer. Users don't need this information; they are just the users.

      But consider this: if you gave your users a general intuition regarding the operation of their computers (we're talking big-picture stuff, here, not details) then they can help you narrow down problems before you even arrive in front of their PC. For example, when a user says, "My email is not working," that could be one of potentially hundreds of causes. But if a user had the computer intuition to write down (or remember) error messages (most just click through without a second glance), they would be able to tell you, "my email program gave me the following error message when trying to download my mail: Network timeout when connecting to mail.domain.com." Now the list of potential problems is smaller, and it will take less time to fix the problem.

      I'm not suggesting that users need to know how a computer works "under the hood," so to speak. They just need to have a little intuition regarding their machines, which most users don't have because their computers are all radically different every few years. Techies have intuition: they can fire up a new application they've never seen before, play around in the menus, and generally know how to use the app before even cracking a manual. Many general users need to be sent to training classes to learn applications, not because they're stupid, but because they lack intuition and confidence in regards to their machines.

      "If people ask me new questions that prove that they are listening, then I will continue answering them as long as they keep asking. (I get paid for my time, right?) But when people repeat questions I've already answered, especially in the cases where people have written down those answers in the past then I get annoyed because I DO have better things to do than to stand around repeating myself."

      Also elitist. Many people don't learn things exactly the first time around. To continue your school metaphor about skills being carried into the rest of your life, can you honestly say you've never gone to a professor's office hours for clarification on something you learned in lecture? I'll bet most of what the professor said was a repeat of what was said in lecture. You'd feel pretty alienated if the professor became visibly agitated every time someone asked him the same question more than once. Like I said before, most users don't have any intuition or confidence with their computers, and they look to the techies for guidance and support. Don't brush them off because you have no patience.

      "As for not knowing how something works unless you can explain it to a five year old, I do more or less agree, but five year olds have short attention spans - so do some of the people whose computers I maintain - and thus they will not sit still long enough to learn what you're trying to express."

      My "explain it to a five-year-old" analogy took attention spans into account. If your

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    5. Re:Good Info for Techies perhaps by AeroIllini · · Score: 1

      "You don't know how something works unless you can explain it to a five-year-old."

      I was in a talk a couple of years ago and the speaker was Jim Gray (winner of the turing award in 1998) and he also said something along these lines... as a researcher, you have a clear picture of what you are doing if you can easily explain your research to your partner (assuming of course that your partner is not in your field and assuming that he/she understands your explanation).


      Yes, exactly my point. One of my mantras as an undergrad was that the best way to learn is to teach. The more I explained things to someone, the better I felt I knew the material. Of course, as an unintended side effect, my theater-major roommate ended up knowing quite a bit about engineering. :-)

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    6. Re:Good Info for Techies perhaps by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      I barely get paid enough to fix PCs, I don't get paid enough to educate people on the theory behind the screen :)

      With all this said, when a user demonstrates enough clue to understand what I'll say to them, then I have been known to explain what's going on in as much detail as they're willing to accept. But in general I don't let people act like I owe them something for my intern wage.

      If I were something other than a peon, I would feel better about educating users :)

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    7. Re:Good Info for Techies perhaps by DavittJPotter · · Score: 1

      "...you can go fuck yaself."

      What a lovely attitude towards the people you support. You're like the caricature on SNL - "The Computer Guy". Eventually, even though you're apparently God's gift to PC support, you'll eventually piss off the boss's secretary, Bob in accounting, and Jessica in HR - and you'll be known as "that asshole from Tech Support."

      Wonder how you'll do on your raise?

      If people like you *are* perceived as the best that IT support can offer, then it's no wonder people perceive computers as mystical, hard to use, and intimidating. They don't want to learn or ask questions, because you make them feel insignificant and stupid.

      If people aren't 'catching on' to what you're teaching - not just one or two, but many - why would you assume that *they're* the problem?

      It's this exact elitist asshole attitude that plagues IT and support personnel in many companies.

      Oh, yeah - I also did 6 years of phone and desk-side computer support. I was always courteous, friendly, and tried my damndest to be understanding. We know this shit. They don't, and don't care HOW it works.

      I can only hope that someday you'll realize how arrogant and rude you sound in your posts. It's YOUR FUCKING JOB to provide support for these people, according to the message you posted.

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    8. Re:Good Info for Techies perhaps by waveclaw · · Score: 1

      I see a lot of people on Slashdot getting frustruated with "supid users," usually because the users ask what the techie hears as "stupid questions."

      There are no 'stupid' questions. There are only basic questions and not basic questions. (This is seperate from bad vs. good questions.) The distinction that technical people miss is that the not basic are questions that assume or depend upon the basic questions. At some point, someone has to ask the basic questions.

      The level of assumption and dependancy is directly porpotional to the level of technical complexity of the discussion. Some strictly not basic questions (that is, questions built on lots of assumptions and information from other questions) become basic. It is a matter of context.

      This is like someone on irc asking for how to match configurations for xdm and X when a particular vendor's video driver install tool didn't handle it properly. This person assumes a lot of knowledge about the system that most people in #linux-basic won't know. On #x-video-drivers he or she might get flamed for not already knowing the answer or not providing sufficient information to deterime if this is a question for a simplier forum or really on the level of discourse for the moment.

      When faced with a new person, the question a techie should ask him or herself is: at what level is this person? Is this person 'basic' to me (knows less) or 'not-basic' (knows equal or more)? Where does that person fit on the very wide (I hope) and non-linear scale of basic to expert for the topic at hand? Answering these questions will permit me to shape my language is usefull ways, if I choose to do so.

      The article is highlighting an interesting aspect of this dicotomy about computers, cars and anything complex. Since the computer responses back to us, by design, a social model fits better than a tool-use model. However, any tool with complex parts also communicates back to its user. With continual use, the user learns the 'language' of their boat, car, et cetera and migrates from tool-use to social models of behaviour. At several of my workplaces, any office product of size larger than a human head had an informal name given to it by the secretary (even if it frequently starts 'that piece-of-shit'.)

      For people, the most basic interactions are tool-use and social. We are a tool using species and tend to use tools so solve many of our problems (excepting the occasional 'real man' verses a stuck jar lid.) These tools do not talk to us. With anything that responds, pets, threats and people, we form complex social interactions. We have complex societies and engage in many-layers conversaion other people. Even if those people do not respond back.

      At a basic level, the computer user may migrate from a tool use model to social model to deal with complexity and the communication originated from the computer. At a more expert level, the user can learn the 'language' of a particular machine and then generalize this to all computers. This process can involve complex factors such as location in space and time, mental and physical context, and history. It also may appear, to someone at a level not as basic as the humanizer, that this simplification from tool to person is to hide complexity only.

      Of anyone making that mistake I should warn that doctors learn the machine of the human body as well as they can. The best doctors can use the human body as a tool to fight disease in the same way that they can use a stethoscope. This does not mean that that sick human has become a lesser 'tool' to help fix itself. The sick person is still a social person who interacts with people via social paths.

      Your computer may not (at this time) care about how you feel, think or wish about it as a person. But knowing how you feel about that computer enables me, the techie, to gauge your level of jargon and level of expertise about the

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    9. Re:Good Info for Techies perhaps by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I can only hope that someday you'll realize how arrogant and rude you sound in your posts. It's YOUR FUCKING JOB to provide support for these people, according to the message you posted.

      That's right, it's my job to provide support for these people, and I provide it. It's not my job to teach them computing theory.

      Rude and arrogant? Fine. Better than than enslaved by users asking dumb questions. Want to learn about computers? Take a class. Want me to fix your computer? Then STFU and stop asking me for explanations you're not going to understand anyway.

      Incidentally; I am the person at my place of employment who pleases users who no one else can make happy, because I am always courteous and I give people more status reports than any other tech. I don't have any problems doing my job but people asking these technical questions of me when it's clear that they haven't done any research at all bother the shit out of me.

      My boss likes me fine. If I wasn't at the top of the piffling pay scale for my position, I'd get more money. He understands what I understand; it is possible to be amazingly annoyed by someone and still solve their problem and have them give good report of you. Like all techs, when we get together we occasionally talk a litle smack about the customers and get it out of our system - If you worked in tech and onsite PC support for six years, then you will know what I mean. Life continues as normal.

      Nowhere in my post did I say I wasn't doing my job, which I believe I made quite clear was to fix PCs. In your rush to castigate me for what you consider a poor attitude (personally, I consider expecting someone to do all the thinking for me a poor attitude and one characteristic of America in this day and age, just another reason our proud nation is going in the toilet) you made a rather foolish assumption and proceeded to base your comment upon it. Nice work, sparky. Maybe next you'll assume I wear coke-bottle glasses and a pocket protector and make LART jokes all day.

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    10. Re:Good Info for Techies perhaps by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      Well, I'll probably just get modded down for that, but it probably just needs to be said. A lot of techies are just arrogant fucktards.

      Yes, some people can't explain well. That's fine by me. Teaching and programming (or teaching and hardware) are very different skills. I'm not surprised that a lot of people only have one, but not both. I'm not particularly good at teaching myself.

      On the other hand, what surprises me is a lot of arrogance along the lines of "if you weren't born knowing every single bit of trivia that I do, then you're an idiot. No matter how useless that bit of trivia may be to you, you're a retard if you don't already know it."

      Point in case, try pointing out on slashdot that something could use a better interface. E.g., that an average user might not know how to configure something. (E.g., that they need to manually eddit some file hidden in /etc/X11R6/plugins/myApp. Oh yeah, and be sure no to miss the personalized version in the hidden .myApp/etc/config directory in your home directory.) Or that they may not know how to pipe grep, sed and half a dozen other obscure commands together to achieve some task with the command line.

      Want to bet what kind of answers you'll get? I'm telling you: "Well, why do we have to catter to the idiots anyway? I'm perfectly content to write code only for the smart ones. The rest of the lusers can go back to Windows, and spare me their point-and-drool baggage." That's pretty much the new mantra.

      The assumption is that someone doesn't instinctively know sed and regular expressions, or if they don't instinctively know all the locations of some obscure app's config files... bah, they're idiots. Not "unknowledgeable". Idiots. Stupid. Retards. That's how a lot of people perceive the rest of the world.

      No matter what other skills that user has. No matter how irrelavant it is to their job to know where my program keeps its data. If they don't automagically know that, they're idiots. If they have better stuff to do with their time, they're retards and losers.

      And I'm thinking that this arrogance is the real stupidity in this industry.

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  85. Work of Clifford Nass and others by Observer2001 · · Score: 3, Informative
    That people anthropomorphize computers isn't really a new finding. In a 1998 talk at the national conference of the American Association for Artificial Intelligence, Clifford Nass described experiments that show social roles are applied to computers. In other words, people treat the computers that they use in much the same way that they treat other people.

    To see the implications of this, consider that people on a team--no matter how assembled--tend to regard their teammates as smarter than those not on the team. In light of the social roles of computers, a reasonable question might then be: Would individuals "teamed" with a computer think that the computer is smarter than would computer users not on a team?

    In an experiment, individuals were told that they were being teamed with a computer to solve a task. (How do you foster team identity when the team consists of a human and a computer? You declare the pair "The Blue Team," give the human a blue wristband, decorate the computer with a blue border, and place a "Blue Team" label on top. I'm not making this up.) The human member of each team then worked with the computer to solve the problem. Other individuals received the same responses from the computer in solving the task, but were not told they were on a team. Those teamed with the computer rated the computer as more helpful and insightful than those who were not.

    Through numerous other experiments, Nass and his colleagues have shown that computer "personality" and other factors can be manipulated to elicit positive responses to computers by their users. (One experiment demonstrated that humans seem to be suckers for computer-generated flattery.) For AI researchers, Nass made the point that users can be encouraged to perceive computers as intelligent through social strategies that have little to do with intelligence.

    Those interested in learning more might read The Media Equation: How People Treat Computers, Television, and New Media Like Real People and Places in which Nass and Byron Reeves describe 35 experiments.

    1. Re:Work of Clifford Nass and others by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the book, but I do know about teams. I don't think that teammembers regard other members as smarter than people not on the team, they regard the other members as more knowledgable/up to date on what the team is working on. That's not a bad assumption, seeing as the team is working on(and presumably at the "cutting edge" of their project for the organization) whatever daily, whereas non team members may only get monthly updates, or a memo when the project is done.

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  86. Anthropomorphic Hegemony by gotw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to say, that microsoft have pushed this one a bit. Ignoring the joys of MS Bob, it all started with that bloody office paperclip. It's all sneaking on too, until I turn it off windows XP boxes present me with a helpful dog to sniff out my files. Lord!

    People are going to dismiss me as a lunatic for finding this sinister, but really I do. I've always thought a key part of microsofts monopoly is keeping users ignorant by maintaining an unnessecary seperation between the machine and the user.

    I don't want this to degenerate into a GUI/CLI argument, that is not what I am considering here. All I am saying is that we want the best link between cognition and application. The very last thing we want to do to foster this link is to start putting anthropomorphised dogs to "sniff out" your files. To get the most out of a computer the very first thing that you must do is to accept that it is a cold, hartless machine (the second thing is often accepting that it's a cold, hartless, imperfectly implemented machine).

    There are so many people who are near paralysed at a computer. This paralasys is in the main caused by fear. Putting fluffy animals into the GUI in no way aids anyone in using a computer, it simply puts another barrier between the user and successful use of the computer (not least in the clock cycles it eats). What we need to do is help people gain a good conceptual understanding of their computers, the various aspects of hardware and software and to help them feel confident in keeping this knowledge up to date.

    Wave after wave of internet worms have shown us that, and half the culprit is that the business strategy of microsoft at least is interely dependant on keeping its users to some extent ignorant. Those users get less out of technology, and everyone suffers the fallout from this ignorance, it's good for nobody other than those selling the tools to maintain it.

  87. Ahh, my Amiga.. by bigattichouse · · Score: 1

    At the time I thought it fitting that my "girlfriend" actually was called "My girlfriend 500" (Amiga 500) ... she was fickle, but you could always count on her.

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  88. People Often do this with machinery... by Banner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And often die because of it.

    One of the big problems with flying is that people start to think of their aircraft as being 'alive' and start to think that the plane will do 'special' things 'this one time' in defiance of the laws of physics so they can get where they want to go.

    They die everytime of course, and it's been responsible for a lot of airplane crashes. Probably more than half. Beating this belief out of people is extremely difficult and probably half of what flight training is aimed at.

  89. Naming printers was my favorite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    For example the printer we named "Yo momma." People could then say things like "Yo momma is jammed!" or "Yo momma's busted." Hilarity.

  90. Not the computer by Tribbin · · Score: 1

    "People given the option of a range of PCs tended to have favourites, with some even prepared to wait in line to use a particular machine."

    This might have nothing to do with the computer.

    People in my class always took the computers where they could sit with their back to the walls. This way people couldn't peek at their screen without them noticing. This position also gives some seconds to close screens when a teacher enters the room. Also this position gives you less reflection .

    The software is equal on all computers, at least in a CITRIX-like environment.

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  91. I'm not at all surprised by RESPAWN · · Score: 1

    This doesn't surprise me in the least. A while back at my office, once we finally bought all new comptuers and were standardized on pretty much one system and one grouping of software packages for each department, we decided to implement a policy of not moving computers when the management decided to move people around.

    You wouldn't believe the complaining that I get now when I have to move people. The only difference between the computers is that one is ComputerXX and the other is ComputerYY. But, people still feel the need to complain, so what are you going to do?

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  92. Makes perfect sense. by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

    Even though all the computers look the same, an experienced college student knows that they are not. Several times I have witnessed dells on my campus just shut off while someone is working on it... and this is quite irritating especially when if you want to save your work you need to use a floppy. In addition, I've seen the same Dell crash twice before the rest crash at all.

    I think on another note when we are considering "home" grade computers, the fact is that a reliable machine is more out of the ordinary. This may explain people's tendencies to generate a loyalty for the machine which performs above the expectation.

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  93. Bad Religion by LetterJ · · Score: 1

    "I Love My Computer"

    I love my computer
    you make me feel alright
    every waking hour
    and every lonely night
    I love my computer
    for all you give to me
    predictable errors and no identity
    and it's never been quite so easy
    I've never been quite so happy
    all I need to do is click on you
    and we'll be joined
    in the most soul-less way
    and we'll never
    ever ruin each other's day
    cuz when I'm through I just click
    and you just go away
    I love my computer
    you're always in the mood
    I get turned on
    when I turn on you
    I love my computer
    you never ask for more
    you can be a princess
    or you can be my whore
    and it's never been quite so easy
    I've never been quite so happy
    the world outside is so big
    but it's safe in my domain
    because to you
    I'm just a number
    and a clever screen name
    all I need to do is click on you
    and we'll be together for eternity
    and no one is ever gonna take my love
    from me because I've got security,
    her password and a key

  94. A computer's soul is confined to the power supply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I found this out after purchasing a refurbished unit. The Antec power supply kept shocking me and once even tried to jump in the bathtub with me! When I returned the computer, the vendor realized the Antec had been previously used in a computer that controlled the plungers in a lethal injection system and was left in the 'evil' position. Once it was switched over to 'good' things have been fine.

  95. Do NOT anthropomorphise computers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...they don't like it.

    JK

  96. Pretty logical I think by vadim_t · · Score: 1

    We tend to trust our things more than somebody else's.

    For example, a simple example: If at an exam it turns out I don't have a pen and borrow one, I will always check if it writes. I never do that with my own pen since I'm pretty sure it does write well.

    Same way, I take notes on my P200 laptop , instead of using one of the much more powerful computers (Pentium 3 at least), because it's my laptop, it's configured the way I like it, and I know every single quirk it has. I know how long it takes to turn on, that nothing unexpected will happen when I need to start typing. I also know that I can save at the latest moment without worrying about the quality of the floppy I'm saving to.

    I bring my optical mouse too. I could use the mouse from the class, but those are ball mice and often too dirty to be comfortable.

    The same way, it's uncomfortable when I have to deal with my brother's computer because it doesn't have things in the same place (explorer in quick launch bar), often has lots of spyware, the directory structure is strange, it lacks the latest updates, etc...

    I think it's nothing strange really. It's just that computers are one of the few things that are often shared. Many people almost certainly have a similar bond to their car, and even things like CDs (I know for sure my Gentoo CD works), pens, calculators, cell phones, keyboards, and even books. I wouldn't replace my quite old and somewhat ragged LOTR book with a new prettier one, don't ask me why.

  97. It is in our nature to do this... by uptownguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Humans have always felt a close relationship with the tools they use to get their work done. We have unearthed hunters from many thousands of years ago who were buried with their tools. You see people feel a kinship with their (book collection/music collection/car/favorite pair of jeans/lucky lighter/favorite pen) -- It appears to be in our nature to anthropomorphize things that we frequently interact with or associate with ourselves. We become accustomed to the particular quirks of these objects. The noises they make. The little things that need to be done to allow them to operate optimally. Why would computers be any different? I don't have a bow and arrow but I use my Sony Vaio every day to do my work. Human nature doesn't change just because the tools have...

    Just my two cents...

    --


    I would have to say that explosives are the most abused technology in all of history.
  98. Did they just do Windows boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Or did they include networks of properly setup Unix boxes?

    With all the quirks of Windows, it's all too possible that different boxes act in different ways. If someone else used a certain software app on the box, it could all too easily make changes to that wonderful single-point-of-failure-was-it-the-left-or-right-a ss-cheek-instead-of-a-brain-that-thought-of-it registry.

  99. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I speak to my computer too.

    "You lost the file?! YOU GOD DAMN SON OF A..."

  100. talking to your m'puter by Chip7 · · Score: 1
    Talking (or swearing) at your PC/Mac/OUIJA board is normal. It's when it starts talking back to you that you need some sleep or a visit to your local mental institute!

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    -- If you actually say LOL instead of laughing, maybe it's time to go outside! --
  101. I'm loyal to Ninnle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you have a system that runs under Ninnle Linux, you swear BY it, not at it, as you might with a Windoze box.

  102. Labs by demozthenes · · Score: 1

    Colleges and universities, at least a few of the ones I've visited and tinkered at, tend to have names for all of the computers in their UNIX labs, as well. Simmons has a "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"-themed lab, and a female authors-themed lab in the communications department...Northeastern's are named for superheroes or constellations. Et cetera. Students refer to computers by their names, and it's easily recognizable: "I was rendering an animation on Giles, when suddenly the whole thing froze up..."

    It gives an air of familiarity to the computers here, since Buffy has a cult following at Simmons, especially in the graphic arts labs. Art majors here tend to get freaked out by technology pretty badly. :P

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    You drink too much coffee, I drink too much stout.
  103. Names by germansausage · · Score: 1

    Sting, Glamdring, Durandal, Stormbringer and now Grayswandir.

  104. Re:Apple Gets It, Neon Doesn't by ipour · · Score: 1

    I said "hi!" - After the A/C went three times, not to mention numerous problems with spark plugs fouling, and various other assorted problems, I said "bye"!

  105. Talk to a PC? by alexborges · · Score: 1

    Who would talk to such an animal. A mac is obviously the civilized organism one can talk to.

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    NO SIG
  106. Another Slow News Weekend by cmacb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds like someone had trouble coming up with a project worth funding. Or was this just a class project? It's hard to tell. Much ado about nothing. You could draw the same conclusions about loyalty to cars, seating preference on airplanes, or picking the cleaner of two forks offered you in a restarant.

    In every case you could simply conclude that a complex selection process went on, that each individual may have had their own criteria, some of which might have been rational, some not (I like the color blue for example). On the other hand, such a study would probably not make the news. Why not ascribe human preference to some sort of totally irrational mechanism that will get a laugh. How about all our choices being controlled by space being in flying saucers? Maybe next years class will conclude that.

    Meanwhile, whats with the editing of BBC News? They must be drawing their journalists from the Pennsylvania State University:

    "The Penn State team set out to find discover just how far people were prepared to go to maintain a relationship with their favourite PC."

  107. love / hate? by yintercept · · Score: 1
    What I feel towards my Windows box is something other than loyalty....

    Windows realize that you get much greater control over people with a love/hate relation. It does something nice for you, like install a driver for a Flash Card reader by simply plugging the device into a smiley faced USB port.

    It then gets angry at you and blue screens, or slows down and demands a reboot. "I am sorry, I did not mean to anger your delicate temperment. Could you please give me back that last hour's work on my term paper..."

    Cults have known how to manipulate people with rewards and punishments for centuries.

    PS, I find it helps to keep an alter to The Bill, and burn incense while working.

    1. Re:love / hate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't had windows blue screen since 2000.

    2. Re:love / hate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had several with WinXP/SP1 with at least one related to the USB subsystem.

  108. HAHAHA ! by zogger · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Best laff all month! It's like DUH, D'YA THINK?

  109. Sitting in the back of the lab.. by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    Back in college, I noticed that people always picked the 4-5 sun's that were in the back of the lab. The biggest advantage was that nobody could see what they were doing back there.

  110. Because it's true! by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    > However, it seems like users are building up a
    > trust relationship with the computer they've used
    > sucessfully before

    Of course they are. It takes an enormous amount of effort to get a computer behaving just the way you want it to (especially if it is running Linux), and more effort to keep it that way (especially if it is running Windows).

    > It's almost as if users are presuming that most
    > unfamiliar computers will fail on them

    But they do! How much are you willing to entrust to a computer run by a man heard to utter "I don't care how the damn thing works; just set it up for me to print my memos!"?

  111. I love my computer. by joshp · · Score: 0

    OK yes I talk to my computer but its ulsey therets or cursing. And I will be the first one to take a gun to the thing a blow it to some where aorund 2234 pices. So do I love my computer HELL NO. I hate the dame thing, so I am goeing to get my ,45 new and have a little target pricte.

    Good Day

  112. Nothing New by yerfatma · · Score: 1

    "Not on your life, that little droid and I have been through a lot together"

  113. A slut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my computer is a slut, everybody uses her

  114. And in other news... by jdifool · · Score: 1, Funny
    A beowulf cluster of anxious computers deny the previous assumption :
    BC1 : "We should be trusted because of our supposed human attributes ?"
    BC2 : "For Bill Gates's sake, we are not the ones opening *.pif.exe files, or even answering to those two lesbian chicks asking for hard cock right now !"

    Human 1 : "Hot chicks ? Where ? Can I see them ?"

    Regards,
    jdif

    --
    Let's overcome our weakness.
  115. If I abuse her, can I reformat and start fresh? by utahraptor · · Score: 1

    Or are those feelings of hatred stored in the BIOS?

  116. People Should by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure of the Pychogeek twist, but Users certainly impart a great deal of their human deseases unto their computer keypad - and loyalty - if it means using your own keyboard, and leaving somelses alone is a good deal safer than it may appear at first light.

    CDC research suggests the most bacterial laden areas in your office is not the bathroom - but the mouse and keyboard.

    Maybe we should have Male / Female computer terminals so that opposite sexes are not exposed to each others germs?

  117. Just common sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With about a quarter of the PCs I've used myself or
    helped family and friends use suffering crippling persistent software or hardware flaws, I would figure this anthropomorphizing/attachment is just good common sense.
    -Bonabo

  118. Is it trust or familiarity? by kajoob · · Score: 1

    This has nothing to do with "trusting" a computer. Think about it...how many times have you gone into a class and there's no assigned seating, but what do people do? Every one will sit in the exact same seats for the rest of the semester. It has nothing to do with trusting a computer, it has to do with humans resistance to change.

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    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur
    1. Re:Is it trust or familiarity? by OwlofCreamCheese · · Score: 1

      why does it need to be something negitive like "resistance to change"? the human picked a seat the first day useing some method... maybe that is just their method of chooseing seats and it comes with the same answer a trillion times.

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      -You're wasting your time. Alfador only likes me.
  119. My good old ZEOS by monopole · · Score: 1

    I kept the old ZEOS 486 well past the point of obsolecence since it was the machine which got me through my doctoral dissertation, was the first machine I booted linux on and was the first machine I logged into the web on.

  120. That's the way it is with complex systems by sindarin2001 · · Score: 1

    I think the reason that we get attached to the personality of a complex system is that it does seem to have some sort of personality. It starts to act out of, seemingly, feelings if the system is too complicated for us as people to figure out the exact reason something is occuring. Take a computer for example: the combination of the hardware, operation system, other software, and the order in which things are done can greatly affect the outcome of how a machine acts. Each computer seems to have a personality because of it (sometimes layed back, sometimes bitchy, etc). Consequently I try and use that personality to name the computer system.

  121. I find that people that give names to PC's are by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    of lesser intelligence.

    <flame>People that refer to computers by name or think of them as male or female or think that the computer "hates me" or whatever, are of lower IQ and are afraid of the computer.

    It's a F*CKING MACHINE people.

    It can't think, It can't reason, it's not out to get you, it doesn't hate you. It only executes commands.

    When you assign human qualities to a machine you are equating the machine with human life and intelligence. It has no life, it has no intelligence, Johnny Five is NOT alive.</flame>

    1. Re:I find that people that give names to PC's are by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 0

      It's more than a machine OK?
      Alright?
      I mean you wouldn't understand now would you? Cos you have no soul - Go on be cynical say what you must ...
      But it does has feelings just like me and you (and she loves me and I love her) ...
      And I talk to her - I caress her, I hug my wonderful companion with all the care in the world
      .. Only she - undestand me - more than any woman would ever do :(

      Now you BASTARD you've hurt me AND you've hurt Thelda!! ... I hate you truly! ... DIE !!!!!!!!!

  122. Personalities by Cruciform · · Score: 2, Funny

    Windows boxes: Like your friends big brother, who invites the younger kids into their exclusive clubhouse, only to find out that it's "Wedgie day" and you're the entertainment.

    Linux boxes: The computer equivalent of the guy on the streetcorner offering you the wonders of the world, if only you'll step into that alley with him. Sure, there's a bright light at the end of the tunnel, but you trip over a lot of shit getting there.

    Macs: Like the friendly, artsy folks who invite you into their cozy little cafe downtown and make you one of the gang, it's only later, when you're naked and broke and surrounded by other MacHeads do you realize you've joined a cult. :)

    1. Re:Personalities by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      Windows boxes: An incompetent, but a popular incompetent at the office. Mostly you try to avoid it or pacify it and hope it doesn't drop the ball on an important assignment. Takes lots of sick days and breaks. Constant on-the-job training, but doesn't always learn the right things.

      Macs: A narcissistic artsy-fartsy fop, who doesn't have the mental horsepower everyone thinks he has. Constantly self-promoting. Great with multimedia, so you stick him with the webdesigners or have them deal with outsiders. Every so often, they go on a retreat and come back with a *new* perspective, but its the same old sh-t.

      Solaris box: Oldtimer that may need to be put out to pasture. No, he won't be pulling the all-nighters or up on the latest technology, but runs like a clock. If they take a day, its because they're at the doctor.

      Linux box: The new kid. Does some things amazingly well, but may unpredictably choke in unique circumstances. Really difficult to get them to do some simple things, like wear a tie and slacks. They may come in sick, but tend to get over it. You tend to fire them, and get a new guy.

      --
      There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
  123. Nothing new here by JoeCommodore · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Heared it for years from people with their "trusty" Commodore 64s, Kaypro's, Apple IIs, Atari STs, etc. Also you can attribute that to printers, Modems, network routers, etc.

    But once a company tries to leverage it's market by playing on the established loyalty (i.e. coaxing Commodore 64 users to all gewt Amigas or long time mac OS Mac users to all switch to OS X) they may hurt their reputation even worse, as a loyal customer scorned they are in a good position to voice their opinions.

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    "Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
  124. Another one bites the dust... by spiryt · · Score: 1

    Just another pointless study proving the obvious...

  125. My Mum can't crash OS X by iamanatom · · Score: 1

    My Mum hasn't been able to crash OS X in the 8 months she's had a Mac. A few apps have hung and had to be force quit and IE has just quit a few times but nothing has brought the whole OS down. And I've seen her crash a pocket calculator...

    --
    "This is crazy, you realise we could all go to jail for this?" - my manager, somewhere I used to work.
    1. Re:My Mum can't crash OS X by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Again though, it just depends on which apps you use. I've crashed OS X *plenty* of times myself, on a G4 tower as well as on a PowerMac G5 system. But then, I like to play games on my Macs - and for whatever reason, UT2003 still doesn't seem to cope well with custom downloaded maps when playing online. When it hiccups on a map it doesn't like - OS X is completely frozen, requiring a hard power off.

      Halo eventually causes hard system crashes too, though not all that often.

  126. it must be installed applications... by snooo53 · · Score: 1
    I think you're right about certain applications being installed on certain computers. At my school it seemed like every computer public computer had a unique combination of instant messaging programs and spyware. Often times you could go into one of those instant messaging programs and see that they had their usernames and passwords saved. In other words, people didn't want to go to the trouble of installing AIM or Yahoo again, so they'd wait for the one that was already set up

    Another problem was before we migrated to Win2k people were saving documents all over the harddrive there. Everyone had their own stash because god forbid they should use a floppy, zip or even their network drive to save important files. When I went around cleaning up computers for the IT dept. people would become very defensive about their programs and documents.

    For the ones that left their documents on the hard drive it always fun to just leave them there with a few minor umm "corrections"... :)

    --
    The sending of this message pretty much inconveniences everyone involved.
  127. "supposed to be" is not "is" by Xhad · · Score: 1

    My library's computers are all supposed to be set up the same, but for some reason I still haven't figured out my email only appears to work on one of them. If I drop by to check my email, I have to wait for "my" computer to be free because the rest of them give me error messages.

  128. Next stage? by smchris · · Score: 1


    I think I've worked through the anthropomorphizing to more of a "magic desktop" stage. But I swear it seemed like my OS/2 installs would "settle into their hardware." Crash a few times the first couple weeks and then run reliably forever. Apparently had load balancing too since I could play 24K streams and cruise the web on a 56K without dropping out. Which I thought was cool at the time because NT couldn't do it.

    When they come standard with facial recognition and a factory set of preprogrammed responses, it'll get interesting again.

  129. my computers love me by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have Linux on all my computers, and they are all very obediant -- not because I've beaten them into submission, but because we are very intimate with one another. They know the darkest websites I visit, and I know their most hackish source code.

    This is what happens when you start giving them names:

    My desktop is called "Morpheus", and my laptop is called "Trinity". My fileserver is "Tank", and my router is "Ninja". I have had a healthy dose of male bonding with all but Trinity, who is the sexiest little notebook I've ever seen. Every now and then, I compile kernels for a little male bonding, or get down and dirty with Trinity's video drivers.

    The only other computer in this house is called "Dad", which is dual-boot Windows/Linux, and I have a more love/hate relationship with it. Dad is like a Jeckyll and Hyde, and will change with a single reboot from the nicest gentleman to the sickest, most twisted machine.

    But really, if your computers don't love you, have you considered that it's because you don't treat them right?

    --
    Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
    1. Re:my computers love me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir, you desperately need to get laid.

    2. Re:my computers love me by vijaya_chandra · · Score: 1

      Trinity on your lap!!! :O
      count your days Mr.Sanity X-(

  130. actually... by ShadowRage · · Score: 1

    I seriously have found myself saying "YOU GOD DAMN PIECE OF SHIT, TURN ON!" (my computer has problems booting back up after shutting down, hence why I keep it on)

    but I think really, people do that with cars and other things they're pissed off at.

    now people who think they'll hurt their computer's feeings if they go out on a date are sad...

    people who think their computer tells them to hurt themselves and others is plain scary.

  131. Re:Apple Gets It, Neon Doesn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No kidding. I probably would have gotten rid of my Neon sooner or later as well, if I hadn't totalled it first. :( Apparently the issue with blown head gaskets was pretty common, among other things I didn't get with mine (like the A/C going out). On the other hand, it was really good marketing still :)

  132. "DAVE, YOU'RE KILLING ME...DAVE" by Cryofan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Then again, some people feel very little loyalty towards their computer.

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    eat shiat and bark at the moon
  133. Strongbad is Dungeonman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You find yeself in yon dungeon. Obvious exits are North, South, and Dennis.

  134. not the computer, the settings... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting, but I'm loyal to my computers at work because they have my desktop settings configured how I like them, and certain other computers seem to be slower in retrieving data form the network. I don't think there's too much more than this in my decisions. Take out these computers and replace them with better ones and I'd be just as happy as long as my settings were there.

  135. Wow, so it isn't just me by BillX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In college a roommate and I performed an exorcism on a new Compaq computer his parents sent up for him. After formatting it and cleanly installing Windows 98, we loaded Half-Life onto it since that was the all-the-rage FPS on the dorm network at the time. I'd run it dozens of times without incident and blasted away at the hallmates for hours. But this other buddy of ours, Rob, couldn't run it. If he clicked the icon, the computer would bluescreen. Reboot, he tries to run it again...bluescreen. Eventually we just either let him play from MY computer, or have me run HL (click the icon) before turning over the controls. I think he and that machine must have been enemies in a past life or something.

    --
    Caveat Emptor is not a business model.
    1. Re:Wow, so it isn't just me by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      The really weird thing is that I've seen this before myself. Ah, coincidences...

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      There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
    2. Re:Wow, so it isn't just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means you don't watch him use it enough.

    3. Re:Wow, so it isn't just me by Reziac · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of the time I cured a sick computer by laying on hands:

      Client's old 486 had lost its 2nd hard disk again, which made it refuse to boot ... figured it was the I/O card, just like the last time it did this. So I'm hefting a screwdriver, and the owner says, "Oh no! I can't watch you gut my baby.. can't you just turn it on once or something first?" then fled into the bathroom (I shit you not, she really did). So I patted the computer on the head, told it "GOOD computer!", powered it on -- and it booted right up, and continued working for another whole year.

      [At which point I had to surgically extract the 2nd HD -- but the rest of it is still working and in use to this day.]

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  136. "Favorite" computers... by DennyK · · Score: 1

    Back when I was in college, there were a few computers in the labs that I would use regularly, but it had nothing to do with "humanizing" them...it had to do with the fact that, of all the systems there, most of their monitors were in terrible condition...dark, and usually so fuzzy and out of alignment that it was literally impossible to read 10pt or smaller fonts at 800x600. Not to mention the fact that a lot of these systems were locked at a migrane-inducing vertical refresh rate of 60hz. The few that had decent monitors and higher refresh rates (or unprotected desktop settings) were worth waiting for...

  137. Call it Charlene! by Cornelius+Chesterfie · · Score: 1

    Homer: What are you doing! That putter is to you what a bat is to a baseball player! What a violin is...to the...the guy that...the violin guy! Now c'mon! Give your putter a name.
    Bart: What?
    Homer: C'mon, give it a name.
    Bart: Mister Putter.
    Homer: D'oh...You wanna try a little harder son? C'mon give it a girl's name.
    Bart: Mom.
    Homer: Your putter's name is Charlene!
    Bart: Why?
    Homer: It just is, that's why! Now this, is a picture of your enemy, Todd Flanders. Every day, I want you to spend fifteen minutes staring at it. And concentrating on how much you hate him, and how glorious it will be when you and Charlene annihilate him!
    Bart: Who's Charlene?
    Homer: [raises the putter, about to wallop Bart with it]
    I'll show you who Charlene is! Now start hating!

  138. far fetched? by Wellmont · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is not entirely far fetched. The time, money, and actual love that goes into the average computer users (not to mention the avid or pro computer users) computer is astounding. I've upgraded my computer so much, but one or two pieces at a time, since 100mhz was the best intel could offer. The computer has never lost it's feel, because it's me in the driver's seat. The article doesn't even touch on the most intrinsic aspect of a computer! Most people tailor their computers to be exactly what they want, start up with exactly the right programs, and play the "just right" music. If we didn't feel loyalty to our computers in general, one might say we were a cold race..

    As far as loyalty for a brand, that could be seen as well, but I see brand loyalty brighten and fade along with the president's approval rating. It's fickle. Just as an example I've moved loyalty from one graphics card manufacturer to the next over the years, neither one can keep making "great" cards, for some reason they are all doomed to be taken over by a start up it seems. It wasn't long ago ATI was the "kiddie" version and 3DFX had a corner on the market.

    But for arguments sake, lets just read the brands i have slathered on my monitor in the form of stickers, case badges and markings of my own:

    ATARI
    Abit
    Antec
    Zalman
    Needless to say i've got some "loyalty" to a few brands.

  139. except Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny, I feel nothing but wanting to drop kick PCs running Windows. I find that I curse less at computers when I am not running Windows.

  140. Back in the day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, I remember screaming at lab macs numerous times about what a poorly designed pieces of crap they were when I had to use them, as if they could actally understand what I was saying to them.

  141. personification by infonick · · Score: 1

    I find this study is true. I always talk to my computer during high priority assignments. I tend to drop the human attribute of failiur or dissapointment on my computer.

    "Aw, aw, AW, AW!!! You stupid F$#@!&*% Computer!!! I'm going to replace you." (cant afford it)

    "F$#@!&*% WinBLOWS, i'm going to install linux!" (never do)

    "I hate you..." (twitch in eye follows)

    --

    You are confusing me with someone who cares.
  142. Explosives by Robawesome · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would have to say that explosives are the most abused technology in all of history.

    Actually, I'd say that explosives have been one of history's best used inventions. Ever driven on a highway? That bedrock didn't get up and walk out of the way. This is especially true if you have ever driven in the mountains. When you are driving on a road that was blasted and carved out of the side of a cliff, you really get an appreciation for modern engineering.

    As for it's negative uses, explosives are lousy antipersonnel weapons. They are much better at blowing up bridges and factories (and cliffs) than people. Lots more people have been killed by starvation caused by misunderstanding of economics than by explosives. Even in WWII, the big people-killing raids were the firebombings. In the pacific, explosives were actually so useless against Japanese cities that we resorted to fire. The firebombing of Tokyo, I beleive, killed 100,000 people in one night.

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    I did NOT learn everything I need to know in kindergarten.

  143. Brain cells do not regenerate. by xtal · · Score: 2, Informative

    They only die. And form new connections, and break old ones. You were born with all the neurons you will ever have, and IIRC there's evidence it becomes harder to make new connections as you get older.

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    ..don't panic
    1. Re:Brain cells do not regenerate. by Ancient+Devices+King · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are not born with all the neurons you will ever have. Otherwise, your brain would be the same size when you're born as when you're an adult. This is one HUGE difference between human infants and those of other apes: our young are helpless because if they were born with complete brains, the birthing process would likely kill both child and mother (because we have large brains). It takes many years for your brain to be "finished" (18-20, iirc), after which it begins to (very slowly) die as neurons die and aren't replaced.

      --
      -"It seems like you're trying to exploit a security hole. Would you like help?"
    2. Re:Brain cells do not regenerate. by Slur · · Score: 1

      ...so work on your patience now, kids! You're going to need it.

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      -- thinkyhead software and media
  144. Mac vs. PC by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Boy did I shock the Holy Hell out of my friends when I, a die-hard Mac-o-phile, finally broke down and bought a PC for home use.

    My reasoning? Everything I used it for, save one, could be done on both. Word, Excel, Internet surfing, writing computer programs.

    What was the one thing I couldn't do? Why play tons of games, of course. I was sick of waiting a full year for a Mac version to come out, and then only on the very most popular games.

    So I bought the best Internet and game machine there is: A PC. I'm on my second upgrade now. Never looked back.

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    (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
  145. Is it loyalty or habit? by LordMydrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article claims that we have a certain 'loyalty' to a given computer when given the choice. What they seem to neglect is the placement of the computer... I know I always pick a computer in the corner of the room so I can see everyone around me--yes, I am paranoid. And if a corner computer isn't open I pick one next to a cute girl, so if she needs help, I'm right there ready to be of assistance. In all my classes, I sit in the same seat everyday... it's not because I am loyal to my chair, it's just easier to have a certain place that you always sit. The same goes for bars and cafeterias... people tend to sit in the same spot. Humans are territorial, and this is just one way in which we exhibit that tendency. So basically... the article makes a good point, but neglects perhaps some very important variables...

    1. Re:Is it loyalty or habit? by rcastro0 · · Score: 1

      And whenever I am in a restaurant having lunch and the waiter comes up asking about the drinks I say "Diet Coke, Lemon and Ice". I do not really care about the taste differences between Diet Coke, Regular Coke, Diet Pepsi, etc. I do not even have a strong preference for coke/pepsi style drinks over lemon soda, tea, or anything else. It it just that I do not want to think about it. So I just go on and on with the same choice to the same question, every time.

      Of course there's also the story that Einstein's suits were all the same, because he didn't want to spend any creative energy thinking about what to wear.

      --
      Quem a paca cara compra, paca cara pagará.
  146. There's a reason education takes a while. by Denyer · · Score: 1
    > You don't know how something works unless you can explain it to a five-year-old.

    It's tricky enough to help kids learn for themselves over the course of years a lot of things (yes, help them learn... teaching isn't just instruction. It's mostly stimulating curiosity, something a lot of people don't have for technology. They just want it to do what they want, not what they do..)

    You may think that by 'dumbing-down' the tech speak that a user (or kid) understands what you're talking about, but a lot of vocabulary carries other information as a prerequisite. I'm just as much in favour of fobbing people off with the 'five-year-old' answers ("RAM is thinking space for the computer, sir") but understanding through metaphors can itself be problematic... can actually impede the ability of people to connect together information. As Einstein said: simplify, but don't oversimplify.

    Many user comments do actually make sense... they've just missed a link in the semantic chain. Hard drive space is a form of memory. RAM does often help a system perform operations faster. Often, the reason is the propagation of imprecise and functionally useless (or misleading) metaphors.

    Oh well, so much for moderating this discussion...

    --
    Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Gates M'dna wgah'nagl fhtagn.
  147. The loyalty isn't really toward computers by Nerd+With+Nalgene · · Score: 1

    It's toward the work environment present on the computer. I have a fairly new machine set up with three operating systems--two versions of linux, plus XP. Each of them has a very different feel to it, a different personality if you'll allow me to anthropomorphize a bit. I feel more loyalty for these operating systems than I do for the white box on the desk. For instance, one of my three OSes seems to be pissed off about something--it constantly crashes with no explanation (no, it's not the one you think). I don't feel so happy with that one right now, but that doesn't mean I'm mad at the computer itself.

    --


    "as if nothing were solid...and that would be the end of the world, not fire and brimstone, but goo."--Rand
  148. Me and my Apple IIGS by thetelepath · · Score: 1

    We're going to go far together. :D Only machine on which I can easily successfully type a term paper.

    --
    Because it's about grace. It really is about grace.
  149. It isn't just computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I have a favorite toilet stall at work too.

  150. people are polite to computers, too by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

    There is an interesting article in the latest CACM that says that people are polite to computers. For example, if a person uses a computer for a given task, and is then asked to take an online survey rating how well the computer handled task, they will rate it higher if they take the survey on the same computer than if they take it on a different identical computer, or if they take an offline survey.

  151. Lets see, my last conversation with my pc went ... by GoMMiX · · Score: 1

    Wha? What the [explative]!?!?

    *click* *click*

    O_o

    MOTHER [explative]!!!

    Alt+Ctrl+Del+Del+Del+Del+Del!!!

    *smack* *smack* *smack*

    GOD [explative] MOTHER [explative] [explative]!

    *kick* *kick* *punch*

    Computer: *daa doooo daa dooo daa dooo*

    AHHHHHHHHHHHH [explative] [explative] [explative] [explative] MOTHER [explative] SON OF A [explative] D13!!!!!!!!!! [explative] [explative] [explative] [explative] [explative] [explative]!!!!

    *rip computer from desk*

    *toss computer out window*

    *push KVM 1*

    *Linux pops up*

    *sigh* ahhhhh good 'ol Tux. *smoch*

    Here ya go Tux, how about a nice fresh Sardine!

    *shock* *zap*

    *convultions* *spasms*

    MOTHER [explative]! Stupid [explative] penguin!

    *kick* *kick*

    Computer: *daa dooo daa dooo daa dooo*

    HOPE YOU CAN FLY [explative] PENGUIN!

    *toss*

    *crash* *boom* *splat*

    That's what I thought [explative].

    *turns on TV*

    *Cable company rearranged all the channels*

    [explative]...

  152. big deal, people used to think.... by xski · · Score: 1

    that the world was flat. Some still do.

  153. Re:This is a suprise? by value_added · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A relevant quote on the subject:

    "As to whether Stockholm Syndrome applies to customers of abusive service providers (Microsoft, AOL, Blockbuster Video, etc.), I think this is much more akin to the behavior of a battered spouse. In order to justfy bad choices, people will often rationalize and defend their tormentors, even to the extent of projecting the same aspects onto other people's spouses and providers: Her husband really is mean to her, and her Mac crashes just as often as my PC."

    Jokes always seem funnier to me when I don't get them at first reading -- yeah, I actually did have to look up "Stockholm Syndrome."

  154. Is this really about computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Reading the experience of Prof. Sundar, in my opinion, what he has found is that people like habits. People like to shop at the same places, use the same brands of products, watch the same tv channels,... so why not use the same computer?! Computers aren't much different from any other tool... At least so far as they don't talk... :-p

  155. On to the next chick... by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

    It been a good three years, and you've been a winning thoroughbred, but now you're too old and slow. I guess I'll keep you around for now, because I'd rather wait for Carmen (San Diego, 939) to move to the neighborhood. She has sisters and cousins already here, but they have *way* too expensive tastes. (But they're all fast...)


    For some strange reason, I have a problem finding a real woman to settle down with...

    --
    There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
  156. I speak to mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and I thought it was just me that speaks to my PC....

    I speak to mine all the time, but it probably just sounds like Tourette's syndrome.

  157. What I _still_ say to my Amiga 500? by bluethundr · · Score: 1

    Every night before I go to sleep:

    Awwwww.....ooogooo woogums! Who's the good widdle 'puter? yeah! yes! that's right! who's doze BAD men in da picturez? thaaaat's right! Big bad billy goat gates and Stevie blow...

    --
    Quod scripsi, scripsi.
  158. i am not sure i want to know by Suchetha · · Score: 1

    .. but WHERE is your other hand

    but seriously, back away from the computers, the men in white coats will be here shortly.

    don't worry, everything is going to be ok.

    --

    learn from yesterday, plan for tomorrow, party tonight
    or one out of three ain't bad
  159. Huge mistake to trust computing; the rise of Voodo by turtleshadow · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I've been witness to over a decade of persons laying postrate to the idol of computing. The trust given over to automatic decision making is a bit misplaced as typically unless the programmer is savvy or has some idea of the business most business applications are assembled together from a bit a business lore, some business voodoo and a hole bunch of educated guesses.


    I've even seen person's outright trust a spreadsheet computation without even questioning the logic or mathematics behind the calculation.


    With a spreadsheet you can convince a PHB that dumping toxic waste into the ground can be cheaper than all the lawsuits. Of course its not right but the computer say's its the best business decision.


    I think persons confuse brand loyalty with reliable, sound judgement much too often.

    Then again there will come a time and I hope my genes make it to the morloks rather than the eloi.

  160. The Spruce Moose by Q-Kumbers · · Score: 1

    For the last 10 years I've named my primary PC "The Spruce Moose".

    Me: Girlfriend, I've built a new PC. I call it "The Spruce Moose", and it will carry two hundred terabytes of MP3s from its disk to the iPod in seventeen minutes!
    GF: That's quite a nice model, babe.
    Me: Model?

  161. Linux is Cool, but I'm Loyal to my Windows PC by Mignon · · Score: 2, Funny

    My Linux machines are like the cool guys and I like to hang out with them, but I'm loyal to my Windows PC because it goes down on me regularly.

  162. Brand loyalty? by Samlind1 · · Score: 1

    It's not your Grandpa's Dellmobile...

  163. RFC 1178 (was: Re:Names?) by rekt · · Score: 1
    See RFC 1178: Choosing a name for your computer for good computer-naming advice.

    Everyone who wants to communicate about their computer should name the thing, if only for the sake of the tech support people they call to help them out when it's busted. But most people choose horrible names like "david's computer", or "my new computer", or worse, they name it after their spouse or something.

  164. I see it diffrently by Felinoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've known about platform loyalty for as long as I've known the REAL reason.

    As much as humans anthropremorphise everything that dosen't actually make humans like one platform more than annother.
    It's not our tendency to imagin our tools as being like us but our tendency to addapt and function at the tools level.

    The computer platform a person first learns to use will directly impact how that person interacts with ALL computers as the nurological pathways are set.
    The human brain builds on what is already known even if the new system is compleatly diffrent.

    It's been long known that experence can actually create problems when dealing with a whole new technology but I am unaware of any studys researching why and I'd like to suggest the reason is that humans can not let go of existing knowladge even when it's already known the existing knowladge dose not help.

    For example (please excuse the MS bashing) as Windows is the first operating system most people experence operating systems that function diffrently (such as Linux) are complex and confusing to most.

    However people who learnned computers on command line based systems (CP/M) will more quickly addapt to Unix and Linux than to GUIs due purely to experence and nothing else.

    On the aside: Before anyone asks why users experenced in command line interfaces more quickly addapt to GUIs than GUI users addapt to command lines the answer is pritty obveous. Actually being user friendly dose make it easier to addapt.
    It is also not lost on new users who will find Y3K telepathic interfaces much easier to learn than 1960's punch cards.
    However the only thing that dose prevent a new user from understanding computers is an unwillingness to understand and users who find punch cards impossable will find telepathic interfaces impossable.
    (This of course presumming we eventually create a technology that let's us interact with computers by means of brain scans. This may prove impossable but as we don't know any better I evoke the "breathable air on the moon" logic for now. Historians take note.. I'm a dork)

    In short we favor one system over annother becouse it's comfortable. Becouse we already carved out how we interact with our computers and don't wish to change that behavure to accomidate a diffrent operating system.
    I'm sure the same reasoning exists in why some people prefere stick or automatic transmissions in cars.

    Ick.. an ideal anolog... Automatic is easier but stick dose gove better results.

    --
    I don't actually exist.
  165. Shortsighted here ... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    .... my row of choice was always first.

    Later on I learned thet classmates thought I was showing of to impress the teachers, bleh.

    --
    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  166. No way. Easier to use IP addresses. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Honestly, at home I have around 5 machines plus other devices, naming is not an eccentricity but a very simple way of remembering which machine is which....

    --
    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  167. Clippit by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    You have a point in generalizing to other objects, but interest is mostly in the mind of the beholder. This item touches on adding personality to your computer, and that could turn out to become a big thing.

    tamagochi-like personal agent for a mobile phone
    agent based computing , see earlier slashdot item on ghosts.

  168. speaking to computers on a p2p basis by oregonnerd · · Score: 1

    Yah, I've related to computers socially for years. Let me see...oh, yeah, I remember when it started. It was the first day of the evacuation of Vietnam, when the f(riendly) computer went down...and stayed down...until the day after the evacuation. Oh, I forgot to mention; it was the communications computer for ComSeventhFlt, who RAN the evacuation.

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    oregonnerd...a nerd in Oregon, of course
  169. Asshole moderators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I talk about Mac vs. PCs in an article entitled "People feel loyalty to Computers", and it gets marked off-topic? If anyone has the chance to mutilate the moderator via metamod, be my guest.