While I'm not a lawyer, I'm pretty sure that "Let's play" by itself is pretty much impossible to trademark
Let us hope...although my guess is that Sony wouldn't have done this without running it by a room full of lawyers. Maybe they were told that they couldn't trademark it, but to "give it a shot anyway" just to see if the courts would fall for it.
did you push the button to make it park? Then you are 100% liable.
I don't think it's that simple. If the parking software has a defect that causes the car to strike something or veer out into traffic or accelerate in reverse at 100mph, I don't think it's a matter of "Well, you pressed the button".
Are people going to be held responsible for when they pressed the button, or what the circumstances were when they pressed it? How will responsibility be apportioned when a person hands off control of something like a car to a software agent that interacts with potentially harmful or fatal consequences?
As more sophisticated automation starts becoming commonplace I think we'll see a lot of these kinds of gray "responsibility" areas coming up.
In fact,. wouldn't be surprised if it spawned a whole new field of law or legal specialty just to deal with the interaction between automated vehicle behaviors and real-world effects/consequences.
Who pays when any machinery you own wreaks havoc? Who pays if your car suddenly loses its parking brakes on a slope and crashes into something?
Sometimes you pay, sometimes the manufacturer pays. It depends on the circumstances.
For example, Takata has to pay for refitting 34 million vehicles with defective air bags. In the parking brake example you cite, if the parking brake was found to be defective the owner wouldn't normally be found to be liable.
And so it may or may not be with Tesla- if they produce software that causes the operation of a car to malfunction, they may be deemed to be at fault. Or maybe the insurance company will make you pay instead, leaving you to try and collect from Tesla. And this is what I'm asking- who will pay, and how?
And who pays when it doesn't work exactly right and it crunches the car next to it? Who pays when it doesn't work exactly right and scrapes a wall? Will Tesla pay for this kind of accident?
If this system fails only one out of a 1000 times, that still means it's going to hit something sooner or later. Of course, I may hit something when I park, but then it's my fault for not taking more care.
I park my car 4 or 5 times a day on average, and a failure rate of 1-in-1000 means that by the end of the year the auto-parking is going to cause at least one contact event. Who's fault is it when the software stumbles and fails?
What about when some clown behind you tries to move at the same time the car is trying to self park? What happens when the software doesn't read the surrounding environment just right and the car is left half in and half out of a space? What happens when some jackass parks waaaaaaay too close to your car after it's already parked?
Don't get me wrong- I like the idea, I just see a *lot* of potential problems with implementing it in a real-world environment.
Like fires, injuries, earthquakes, and assault. Those things happen, regardless of what you claim.
Not to me they don't, or you by the sounds of it.
Wrong. I've been in a fire (2 of them actually) I've been injured, and I've been in an earthquake (Seattle/Duvall 1996, it pretty much destroyed the building I was in and it did destroy the one next door). But since you've never experienced any of those things, they must not really happen at all to anyone ever. That's why things like first-aid kits and fire extinguishers don't exist.
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Tell me do you also wear a helmet when you drive?
No, but I wear a seatbelt and I bet you do too. Why do you wear a seatbelt? Accidents never happen. Never.
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you are more likely to be in a car crash than a shoot out.
Injectable stents for heart patients. Contraceptive devices Penile implants Artery-clearing devices Surgical implants for plastic surgery Anti-snoring devices Adjustable joint parts Adjustable eye/vision implants
FFS sake, your imagination must be thinner than a coat of paint. These took me ~30 seconds to come up with and I've got no medical background. I'm sure any doctor or surgeon or orthopedic specialist could come up with dozens in a minute or two. And those are just from one field.
I also don't own a fire extinguiser, nor do I have a first aid kit in my car. I'm nearly 50 and despite the television telling me I should be scared of stuff,
I'm well past 50, and I don't watch TV, so I don't see the point of your comment.
I'm not "scared of stuff", I've simply seen enough of the world to know it's wise to take precautions against things that are sometimes out of your ability to control. Like fires, injuries, earthquakes, and assault. Those things happen, regardless of what you claim.
Nope, because I'm on holidays at the moment, no work me, more time to argue on the Internet!
Fine, but when holiday is over, it's off to work you go...and you go because you fear being fired or not having enough money to support yourself. (Even if you're independently wealthy and don't have to work, you don't leave all your money in a bag outside your front door, do you? Of course not, because you fear it would be stolen.)
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I haven't driven today either...
I didn't say anything about driving today.:) Lets face it, when you DO drive you don't do it with your eyes closed...because you fear getting in an accident if you do. So, you fail.
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Don't have any! (Thanks evil socialised Healthcare)
Oh, you have healthcare, you just don't pay for it the same way many people do. Your government pays for it (which I think is great, frankly) but you DO have healthcare. You fail again.:)
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Actually I've never locked my front door (or the back one either).
And this one, I have to say, I think is a lie.:) .
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If you've had a gun for 30 years and never needed to use it, there is a high probability that you don't need it.
Yes, and I'm glad I haven't needed it, in exactly the same way I haven't needed the fire extinguisher I keep in the house. But no one one, not even you, would be foolish enough to say that I "merely want a fire extinguisher as some comfort blanket because of some irrational fear that doesn't actually exist".
Crime exists, and I'm doing what I can to keep myself and my family from being a victim of crime. Or for that matter, any Random J. Stranger who is being robbed or assaulted- I'd come to their aid to. Fortunately I live in a fairly decent area and crime isn't rampant in my neighborhood, but there's still crime here, including violent crime. I try to be prepared because if there's one thing I've learned, it's that trouble doesn't call ahead.
In the same vein, it's simply prudent to have a fire extinguisher, the same way I keep a first aid kit in my car. I've been fortunate enough not to have needed it, but I keep it handy just in case. Is it a "comfort blanket"? No, keeping a first aid kit on hand is simply a prudent measure to take in light of what happens to thousands of people every day.
Also, we live in earthquake country, and like a lot of people we keep some food and water on hand, along with some flashlights and other emergency preparedness gear. It's not because we want a "comfort blanket"; we're simply smart enough to realize that shit happens. And if an earthquake occurs then we'll be better off for having taken reasonable, prudent steps to try and be prepared for it.
For a moment I was hoping the "malware" just removed the manufacturers cruddy adware/malware, transforming the device into an old-fashioned "dumb" just-works television.
You know, I bet there would be a market for a utility that took a "smart" TV and basically lobotomized back into a standard TV, incapable of being infested with malware. Have it lock out all the ridiculous garbage "features" that make it vulnerable and turn it into just a plain ol' TV with normal features.
If I ever bought a smart TV I'd probably be willing to pay to have it dumbed down.
No one is going to do anything until it's too late...and by "too late" I mean after this crank dictator sets off a nuke in a city somewhere, or sells one to some other crank(s) who set it off in a city somewhere.
I'd not be against invading North Korea and freeing the people there. The overwhelming majority would be thanking us after a couple of months with plentiful food, clean water, and electricity that isn't rationed. Oh, and without being executed for shit like accidentally creasing a picture of Glorious Leader or complaining too loudly that they're hungry.
These are tenanted data centers, with customers on long-term contracts. It would take up to 3 years for contracts to expire before they could fully repurpose these facilities.
Then they probably won't be interested. Three years is way too long for them to wait. They need stuff yesterday, basically.
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It's called "enclosure".
It's called "Being a bunch of greedy assholes".
LOL, err, I mean, "NO".
Sorry, I don't know who he'll trust or what he'll use it for. I also don't know that Bad Guys(c) won't be able to break into it.
And by "Bad Guys" I mean the NSA/CIA/FBI as well as the friendly folks from the Russian Business Network or other criminal organizations.
While I'm not a lawyer, I'm pretty sure that "Let's play" by itself is pretty much impossible to trademark
Let us hope...although my guess is that Sony wouldn't have done this without running it by a room full of lawyers. Maybe they were told that they couldn't trademark it, but to "give it a shot anyway" just to see if the courts would fall for it.
Everything must be owned, including common words and phrases. Otherwise someone might be making money off of it and it wouldn't be us!!
did you push the button to make it park? Then you are 100% liable.
I don't think it's that simple. If the parking software has a defect that causes the car to strike something or veer out into traffic or accelerate in reverse at 100mph, I don't think it's a matter of "Well, you pressed the button".
Are people going to be held responsible for when they pressed the button, or what the circumstances were when they pressed it? How will responsibility be apportioned when a person hands off control of something like a car to a software agent that interacts with potentially harmful or fatal consequences?
As more sophisticated automation starts becoming commonplace I think we'll see a lot of these kinds of gray "responsibility" areas coming up.
In fact,. wouldn't be surprised if it spawned a whole new field of law or legal specialty just to deal with the interaction between automated vehicle behaviors and real-world effects/consequences.
Who pays when any machinery you own wreaks havoc? Who pays if your car suddenly loses its parking brakes on a slope and crashes into something?
Sometimes you pay, sometimes the manufacturer pays. It depends on the circumstances.
For example, Takata has to pay for refitting 34 million vehicles with defective air bags. In the parking brake example you cite, if the parking brake was found to be defective the owner wouldn't normally be found to be liable.
And so it may or may not be with Tesla- if they produce software that causes the operation of a car to malfunction, they may be deemed to be at fault. Or maybe the insurance company will make you pay instead, leaving you to try and collect from Tesla. And this is what I'm asking- who will pay, and how?
I'm using Adblock and I can all the articles on Forbes without any problem. (??)
"Forbes Asks Redears To Disable Adblock..."
(sigh)
Oh wait, is "Redears" the name of some guy that uses Adblock?
And who pays when it doesn't work exactly right and it crunches the car next to it? Who pays when it doesn't work exactly right and scrapes a wall? Will Tesla pay for this kind of accident?
If this system fails only one out of a 1000 times, that still means it's going to hit something sooner or later. Of course, I may hit something when I park, but then it's my fault for not taking more care.
I park my car 4 or 5 times a day on average, and a failure rate of 1-in-1000 means that by the end of the year the auto-parking is going to cause at least one contact event. Who's fault is it when the software stumbles and fails?
What about when some clown behind you tries to move at the same time the car is trying to self park?
What happens when the software doesn't read the surrounding environment just right and the car is left half in and half out of a space?
What happens when some jackass parks waaaaaaay too close to your car after it's already parked?
Don't get me wrong- I like the idea, I just see a *lot* of potential problems with implementing it in a real-world environment.
This just in: they've decoded the gamma rays signal, and it said "don't masturbate".
Whoops, too late for me. That lazy fuck- why couldn't he have just told me that 13.4 billion years ago?? But nooooooooooo....
Bet a hundred quatloos that this so-called "ISP" are the malware peddlers themselves. Either that, or they know fully well who their customers are
Yep, that would be my guess. It's by far the most likely explanation- they're either the peddlers themselves or they're partners with them.
I does seem a bit ballsy for Oracle to name their product 'unbreakable',
That was a triumph of marketing over common sense. It's like naming the local slut, "Lil' Miss Faithful".
Like fires, injuries, earthquakes, and assault. Those things happen, regardless of what you claim.
Not to me they don't, or you by the sounds of it.
Wrong. I've been in a fire (2 of them actually) I've been injured, and I've been in an earthquake (Seattle/Duvall 1996, it pretty much destroyed the building I was in and it did destroy the one next door). But since you've never experienced any of those things, they must not really happen at all to anyone ever. That's why things like first-aid kits and fire extinguishers don't exist.
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Tell me do you also wear a helmet when you drive?
No, but I wear a seatbelt and I bet you do too. Why do you wear a seatbelt? Accidents never happen. Never.
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you are more likely to be in a car crash than a shoot out.
I sure fucking hope so.
If it's unbreakable why do they have to patch it?
"Yeah, this thing will never break! Hang on a sec while I fix it..."
name two
Injectable stents for heart patients.
Contraceptive devices
Penile implants
Artery-clearing devices
Surgical implants for plastic surgery
Anti-snoring devices
Adjustable joint parts
Adjustable eye/vision implants
FFS sake, your imagination must be thinner than a coat of paint. These took me ~30 seconds to come up with and I've got no medical background. I'm sure any doctor or surgeon or orthopedic specialist could come up with dozens in a minute or two. And those are just from one field.
I can think of a million uses for something like this, starting with medical technology and moving out into any number of fields.
"Mongo only pawn in game of life."
Once you decide you don't need the "smart" features you disconnect it from the internet.
Pfffft, anyone could do it that way. ;)
I also don't own a fire extinguiser, nor do I have a first aid kit in my car. I'm nearly 50 and despite the television telling me I should be scared of stuff,
I'm well past 50, and I don't watch TV, so I don't see the point of your comment.
I'm not "scared of stuff", I've simply seen enough of the world to know it's wise to take precautions against things that are sometimes out of your ability to control. Like fires, injuries, earthquakes, and assault. Those things happen, regardless of what you claim.
Nope, because I'm on holidays at the moment, no work me, more time to argue on the Internet!
Fine, but when holiday is over, it's off to work you go...and you go because you fear being fired or not having enough money to support yourself. (Even if you're independently wealthy and don't have to work, you don't leave all your money in a bag outside your front door, do you? Of course not, because you fear it would be stolen.)
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I haven't driven today either...
I didn't say anything about driving today. :) Lets face it, when you DO drive you don't do it with your eyes closed...because you fear getting in an accident if you do. So, you fail.
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Don't have any! (Thanks evil socialised Healthcare)
Oh, you have healthcare, you just don't pay for it the same way many people do. Your government pays for it (which I think is great, frankly) but you DO have healthcare. You fail again. :)
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Actually I've never locked my front door (or the back one either).
And this one, I have to say, I think is a lie. :) .
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If you've had a gun for 30 years and never needed to use it, there is a high probability that you don't need it.
Yes, and I'm glad I haven't needed it, in exactly the same way I haven't needed the fire extinguisher I keep in the house. But no one one, not even you, would be foolish enough to say that I "merely want a fire extinguisher as some comfort blanket because of some irrational fear that doesn't actually exist".
Crime exists, and I'm doing what I can to keep myself and my family from being a victim of crime. Or for that matter, any Random J. Stranger who is being robbed or assaulted- I'd come to their aid to. Fortunately I live in a fairly decent area and crime isn't rampant in my neighborhood, but there's still crime here, including violent crime. I try to be prepared because if there's one thing I've learned, it's that trouble doesn't call ahead.
In the same vein, it's simply prudent to have a fire extinguisher, the same way I keep a first aid kit in my car. I've been fortunate enough not to have needed it, but I keep it handy just in case. Is it a "comfort blanket"? No, keeping a first aid kit on hand is simply a prudent measure to take in light of what happens to thousands of people every day.
Also, we live in earthquake country, and like a lot of people we keep some food and water on hand, along with some flashlights and other emergency preparedness gear. It's not because we want a "comfort blanket"; we're simply smart enough to realize that shit happens. And if an earthquake occurs then we'll be better off for having taken reasonable, prudent steps to try and be prepared for it.
I have no doubt that the "smart" feature is something they added to make it more appealing in some way, but why?
What they meant is that it's "smart" enough to be vulnerable to malware attacks, instead of just blissfully ignoring them like a regular TV does.
For a moment I was hoping the "malware" just removed the manufacturers cruddy adware/malware, transforming the device into an old-fashioned "dumb" just-works television.
You know, I bet there would be a market for a utility that took a "smart" TV and basically lobotomized back into a standard TV, incapable of being infested with malware. Have it lock out all the ridiculous garbage "features" that make it vulnerable and turn it into just a plain ol' TV with normal features.
If I ever bought a smart TV I'd probably be willing to pay to have it dumbed down.
No one is going to do anything until it's too late...and by "too late" I mean after this crank dictator sets off a nuke in a city somewhere, or sells one to some other crank(s) who set it off in a city somewhere.
I'd not be against invading North Korea and freeing the people there. The overwhelming majority would be thanking us after a couple of months with plentiful food, clean water, and electricity that isn't rationed. Oh, and without being executed for shit like accidentally creasing a picture of Glorious Leader or complaining too loudly that they're hungry.
These are tenanted data centers, with customers on long-term contracts. It would take up to 3 years for contracts to expire before they could fully repurpose these facilities.
Then they probably won't be interested. Three years is way too long for them to wait. They need stuff yesterday, basically.
Well, Bruce is now going to be added to the foe list. What a fucking piece of shit. Thank you for sharing your research!
I can't take credit for it; another user found these and sent them to as a "heads up".
But yeah, it's very disappointing to see Bruce go swirling down the tubes like this.