"We don't just buy stuff from Amazon as you suggested. You have to go to a source, i.e., HP or any reputable source where the city has a contract. And there's a purchase order that has to be submitted, and there has to be money in the budget."
And this, my friends, is how you end up with $6500 price tag for $70 hard drive. Bureaucracy, it's good for you!
No, this is what happens when you don't have at least one competent IT person on your staff.
As someone else pointed out, it's important to have purchasing rules in place to prevent things like spending $6500 on a $70 hard drive that is purchased from a company run by some politician's brother. That's why you need to employ a competent IT person who can say "I can buy a hard drive from Amazon that's exactly the same as the one you'll get from HP, but we'll pay a lot less".
As for why Firefox is abandoning XUL, XPCOM and the permissive add-on framework that came with it, Needham wrote that although "XPCOM and XUL are two of the most fundamental technologies to Firefox... the ability to write much of the browser in JavaScript has been a huge advantage for Mozilla.
It also makes Firefox far more customizable than other browsers
And yet, for the past 4 years or so, beginning with Firefox 4.0, they have been on a steady campaign to rip out all the customizability that made Firefox popular and desirable in the first place. One of the most common comments I see from people, over and over, is "If I want a browser that looks and works like Chrome, I'LL USE FUCKING CHROME."
Meanwhile, complaints from users are met with little more than a thinly veiled FUCK YOU from Firefox developers.
The so called rebuttal by Nick Ciubotariu from a few days ago, reeks of disingenuousness and playing games with semantics.
I’ve never worked a single weekend when I didn’t want to. No one tells me to work nights.: This may very well be true. BUT, what DOES happen, in almost every company, is that managers create enormous workloads with ridiculously short deadlines, and it is physically impossible to get the work done, on time, unless you work 100 hours a week. So, fearing a bad performance review for not getting their work done and for not being a "team player" who is willing to "do whatever ti takes", people take it upon themselves to "voluntarily" work long hours.
There is no “culling of the staff” annually. That’s just not true. No one would be here if that actually took place and it was a thing" Even with Amazon's terrible reputation, how many tens of thousands of resumes do they get every year?
I’ve never seen anyone cry. And if that was truly the environment, that’s just wrong, and certainly not something we encourage. In today’s Amazon, management and HR would take care of that in an instant. Major lulz for this one. How many tens of thousands of people, working at thousands of different companies, have filed lawsuits over things like sexual harassment, gender discrimination and racial discrimination? And in 99% of those cases, the lasuit only came about because the person went to HR and was either ignored or HR took their managers side. In any company, HR is the most completely useless department.
I won’t discuss Organizational Level Ranking. I will dispute – vehemently so – the assertion that “You learn how to diplomatically throw people under the bus”. We don’t have time to do that here, or to teach people that: More word play. Technically, you don't actually instruct people to do that. But your policies encourage people to do exactly that. It doesn't take long for people to figure out how to sabotage their co-workers for their own benefit. And since it's impossible for you to know everything that goes on with every employee in the entire company, or even a tiny percentage of them, claiming that this behavior doesn't exist is just plain stupid and dishonest.
Well, of course. Every foreign worker hired is a job that doesn't go to an American worker.
Claiming that hiring foreign workers doesn't take jobs away from American workers is bizzaro logic at its best. Its the same bizzaro logic that said shutting down factories and sending millions of jobs to Mexico and China creates job for American workers.
More importantly, the claim that these are "highly skilled workers" is a lie that insults our intelligence.
Why is it that all of these "highly skilled workers" come from the same place - a country where a huge percentage of the population is illiterate and lives in poverty far beyond anything that exists in the U.S. A country where 350 million people, more than the entire population of the U.S., shit in public because they don't have access to a toilet. How is it possible that such a country is producing such huge numbers of "highly skilled workers"?
That's right, it isn't possible. The only "skill" they possess is a willingness to work for low wages. And since the H1-B program is nothing more than legalized indentured servitude, companies can do anything they want without feat of being reported by the workers.
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The article was written by some clueless moron who has absolutely no grasp of . . . well, anything. As he breathlessly sings the praises of all the miraculous things we'll be able to do with 5G, while completely ignoring (or completely unaware of) the fact that we can already do all of these things with 4G and/or conventional internet connections.
Google was paying Firefox $300M a year http://www.webmonkey.com/2011/... before they pulled the plug and Firefox reached a deal with Yahoo, and they switched searches to Yahoo -- not because it was the better search engine, but because Yahoo was giving them cash
Mozilla's existence is completely dependent on other companies, whose existence is completely dependent on tracking and monetizing you. For Mozilla to pretend that they care about "privacy" insults our intelligence (what little we have).
In this day and age of malware being delivered even by supposedly reputable third-party providers, using an ad blocker is just plain responsible browsing.
There are a lot of problems with online advertising, but ultimately, all the problems trace back to one thing -- too many middlemen. Websites get their ads from an ad network, who gets the ads from several different brokers, who get ads from a variety of sources, many of them not necessarily trustworthy.
That's why you have well known reputable websites serving malware. That's why you can find ads for well known products (Progressive Insurance, Tide detergent, various auto companies, etc) on websites hosting pirated software and movies. That's why pages are now filled with fake virus warnings, fake security updates and all sorts of other crap that no one would ever click on, except by accident.
Websites have refused to take responsibility for the ads they display so people are fighting back the best way they can.
Cortana cannot be disabled without breaking Windows. Yes, you can turn all of the settings off, but the process still runs in the background and auto restarts when killed. . . . . . . consuming 0%-0.1% cpu and using ~35MB of RAM.
So it's using 0.1% of my CPU and 0.1% of my RAM. There are more important things to worry about.
Why do people still claim these things, and why to techies (not marketing people) consent to attaching their names to such nonsense?
Stupid because: 1) No, it is not unhackable. Throw a contest with a bounty to easily prove this. 2) 99% of "hacks" work through social engineering nowadays, and these work regardless of how secure your software is.
3) Selling your own modified version of Windows will get you sued by Microsoft very quickly.
Since I have several machines to play with at home, I decided to go ahead with the *cough* upgrade *cough* on one of them. Here are the problems I've encountered in just a couple hours of usage.
1. Windows Explorer has been replaced with MS Edge.
No, you mean Internet Explorer has been replaced with MS Edge. Windows Explorer is the file manager, which has been renamed to File Explorer, and like everything else in Windows 10 they've made a number of stupid, pointless changes that make it just a little worse
The good news is that Explorer still exists somewhere on the system. From Edge, there's an option to open one of your favorites in Explorer, and I was able to pin explorer to my bottom bar to avoid having to launch edge. MS seems to have hidden Explorer...it doesn't show up in the list of all apps.
This is one of the big problems with the Window 8 and 10 UI. Some things don't show up in the list of all apps. So for example, you have to know to navigate your way to [C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer] where you will find Internet Explorer.
Every computer I've used forever has a BIOS setting that tells the computer to always turn on the numlock key at bootup. Windows 10 ignores this and every time you boot you have to remember to manually turn on the numlock. If you use the number pad a lot (I do) it's extremely annoying. There's a registry setting that fixes this, but Jeez, how do you fuck up something that has worked forever.
Overall, Windows 10 is completely pointless. After spending considerable time tweaking and trying to get things into a usable state, I was left with a computer that worked reasonably well (if you are willing to live with all the annoyances) but didn't have one single feature that was better than Windows 7, which has none of the annoyances of W 10.
So I wiped the hard drive and restored Windows 7 from a backup (Acronis True Image is your friend).
Seems about as credible as that thing Homer Simpson won for being fat and falling in a hole.
yes, we now have confirmation that the ISDA is a bumch of clueless morons.
The Windows 10 Start Menu is an abomination that has almost none of the functionality of a real Start Menu (ie, Windows 7 and earlier) and all of the bad things of the Windows 8 Start Screen now crammed into a smaller space.
but premiums will necessarily drop as well and the overall amount of money within the car insurance system will dwindle.
You have no idea how this works, does you? How much you pay for a service has nothing to do with how much it costs to provide a service. It's a matter of how much the market will bear.
Exactly right. If you think insurance premiums will go down significantly, if at all, you're being extremely naive.
I hope this is the case, and I'm proven brain-dead wrong. MS hasn't really pulled any real "fast ones" recently. W10 looks like it will be the next Windows 7 or XP.
I've been trying out the various Technical Previews over the past few months and I'm not surprised that they've pulled the plug on this. There's no way it was going to be ready by the target date of July 29.
ignoring the obvious bugs, there's not much to like abut Win 10. I'm sure they've made a lot of improvements "under the hood" but from a user standpoint, it's just more of the same, only a little worse. They've Doubled-Down On Stupid.
The same ugly color scheme as Windows 8, that looks like puke, only now the icons are uglier. Speaking of icons, they've changed the Recycle Bin icon at least 3 times. Seriously, Microsoft? *THAT'S* what you're working on? And the Recycle Bin icon from the latest build looks very similar to the one from Windows 95. Wow. That's really modern! I guess Microsoft figures that anyone who used Windows 95 is too old and senile to notice.
And it corrupts the other hard drives in my system. Nice. And the so-called "Start Menu" is an unusable mess. Fortunately, that problem is solved by using a program like Classic Shell or something similar. And then there's all the pointless, useless "apps". No wonder it's free. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather pay for something usable.
until advertisers vet every single advert (like a newspaper) and use static adverts instead of javascript they will remain blocked.
Where does that leave web applications that use scripts for core functionality, such as online whiteboards or even opening and closing comment subtrees in SoylentNews, Slashdot, or another threaded web-based discussion forum? People will end up whitelisting scripts on those web applications' domains to "unbreak" them and getting ad scripts along with them.
It leaves them mostly unaffected. Adblock Plus is an adblocker, not a javascript whitelist addon. You may be thinking of NoScript.
I use AdBlock frequently to block Javascript that is loading from somewhere other than the page I'm on. This disables a lot of the annoying ads.
I don't care very much for Randy Harper and her "harassment" escapades, but I can't wait for domain whois blockers to go away. If people are using your contact information to ring your phone off the hook, then complain to the police and phone companies.
I don't know what parallel universe you live in, but in this one the police and phone company don't give two shits about this sort of thing, except maybe if you are someone famous or influential.
I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.
You don't understand. "Modern" is the new marketing buzzword which actually means "we're recycling a bunch of old shit from 20 years ago and calling it new". For example, the Recycle Bin icon in Windows 10, after being changed 3 times over the past several months, now looks like something straight out of Windows 95.
I'm unsure if similar search engines would be useful if they didn't try to figure out what you WANT to see rather than what you ASK to see.
Wait . . what?
How is it useful to give me thousands of results that are completely irrelevant to what I am searching for? Only give me results that contain EXACTLY the words I typed. And I shouldn't have to use quotations marks or other silly nonsense.
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If your eating something where the primary ingredient is HFCS I doubt there is any way to make that product healthy. They would just replace HFCS with something slightly less bad.
I'd say people generally eating too much food is a bigger problem than HFCS.
I'm not aware of any product where the primary ingredient is HFCS. However, it is found in many places where it doesn't belong simply because fat and sugar make things taste better. That is why there is HFCS in bread. That's why there is even a sweetener of some sort in most salt.
"We don't just buy stuff from Amazon as you suggested. You have to go to a source, i.e., HP or any reputable source where the city has a contract. And there's a purchase order that has to be submitted, and there has to be money in the budget."
And this, my friends, is how you end up with $6500 price tag for $70 hard drive. Bureaucracy, it's good for you!
No, this is what happens when you don't have at least one competent IT person on your staff.
As someone else pointed out, it's important to have purchasing rules in place to prevent things like spending $6500 on a $70 hard drive that is purchased from a company run by some politician's brother. That's why you need to employ a competent IT person who can say "I can buy a hard drive from Amazon that's exactly the same as the one you'll get from HP, but we'll pay a lot less".
From TFA:
And yet, for the past 4 years or so, beginning with Firefox 4.0, they have been on a steady campaign to rip out all the customizability that made Firefox popular and desirable in the first place. One of the most common comments I see from people, over and over, is "If I want a browser that looks and works like Chrome, I'LL USE FUCKING CHROME."
Meanwhile, complaints from users are met with little more than a thinly veiled FUCK YOU from Firefox developers.
The so called rebuttal by Nick Ciubotariu from a few days ago, reeks of disingenuousness and playing games with semantics.
I’ve never worked a single weekend when I didn’t want to. No one tells me to work nights.:
This may very well be true. BUT, what DOES happen, in almost every company, is that managers create enormous workloads with ridiculously short deadlines, and it is physically impossible to get the work done, on time, unless you work 100 hours a week. So, fearing a bad performance review for not getting their work done and for not being a "team player" who is willing to "do whatever ti takes", people take it upon themselves to "voluntarily" work long hours.
There is no “culling of the staff” annually. That’s just not true. No one would be here if that actually took place and it was a thing"
Even with Amazon's terrible reputation, how many tens of thousands of resumes do they get every year?
I’ve never seen anyone cry. And if that was truly the environment, that’s just wrong, and certainly not something we encourage. In today’s Amazon, management and HR would take care of that in an instant.
Major lulz for this one. How many tens of thousands of people, working at thousands of different companies, have filed lawsuits over things like sexual harassment, gender discrimination and racial discrimination? And in 99% of those cases, the lasuit only came about because the person went to HR and was either ignored or HR took their managers side. In any company, HR is the most completely useless department.
I won’t discuss Organizational Level Ranking. I will dispute – vehemently so – the assertion that “You learn how to diplomatically throw people under the bus”. We don’t have time to do that here, or to teach people that:
More word play. Technically, you don't actually instruct people to do that. But your policies encourage people to do exactly that. It doesn't take long for people to figure out how to sabotage their co-workers for their own benefit. And since it's impossible for you to know everything that goes on with every employee in the entire company, or even a tiny percentage of them, claiming that this behavior doesn't exist is just plain stupid and dishonest.
Well, of course. Every foreign worker hired is a job that doesn't go to an American worker.
Claiming that hiring foreign workers doesn't take jobs away from American workers is bizzaro logic at its best. Its the same bizzaro logic that said shutting down factories and sending millions of jobs to Mexico and China creates job for American workers.
More importantly, the claim that these are "highly skilled workers" is a lie that insults our intelligence.
Why is it that all of these "highly skilled workers" come from the same place - a country where a huge percentage of the population is illiterate and lives in poverty far beyond anything that exists in the U.S. A country where 350 million people, more than the entire population of the U.S., shit in public because they don't have access to a toilet. How is it possible that such a country is producing such huge numbers of "highly skilled workers"?
That's right, it isn't possible. The only "skill" they possess is a willingness to work for low wages. And since the H1-B program is nothing more than legalized indentured servitude, companies can do anything they want without feat of being reported by the workers.
The article was written by some clueless moron who has absolutely no grasp of . . . well, anything. As he breathlessly sings the praises of all the miraculous things we'll be able to do with 5G, while completely ignoring (or completely unaware of) the fact that we can already do all of these things with 4G and/or conventional internet connections.
about:config
privacy.trackingprotection set to true
Something like that
about:config contains no such setting for "privacy.trackingprotection" or "Something like that"
Google was paying Firefox $300M a year http://www.webmonkey.com/2011/... before they pulled the plug and Firefox reached a deal with Yahoo, and they switched searches to Yahoo -- not because it was the better search engine, but because Yahoo was giving them cash
Mozilla's existence is completely dependent on other companies, whose existence is completely dependent on tracking and monetizing you. For Mozilla to pretend that they care about "privacy" insults our intelligence (what little we have).
Netcraft confirms, the universe is dying.
In this day and age of malware being delivered even by supposedly reputable third-party providers, using an ad blocker is just plain responsible browsing.
There are a lot of problems with online advertising, but ultimately, all the problems trace back to one thing -- too many middlemen. Websites get their ads from an ad network, who gets the ads from several different brokers, who get ads from a variety of sources, many of them not necessarily trustworthy.
That's why you have well known reputable websites serving malware. That's why you can find ads for well known products (Progressive Insurance, Tide detergent, various auto companies, etc) on websites hosting pirated software and movies. That's why pages are now filled with fake virus warnings, fake security updates and all sorts of other crap that no one would ever click on, except by accident.
Websites have refused to take responsibility for the ads they display so people are fighting back the best way they can.
Cortana cannot be disabled without breaking Windows. Yes, you can turn all of the settings off, but the process still runs in the background and auto restarts when killed. . . . . . . consuming 0%-0.1% cpu and using ~35MB of RAM.
So it's using 0.1% of my CPU and 0.1% of my RAM. There are more important things to worry about.
More people will just move to Linux.
That's what they said in 2001 when Windows XP came out. 14 years later, it still hasn't happened.
For a start, block these in your router, or hosts file:
http://pastebin.com/ULJjVM7w
vortex.data.microsoft.com
vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
watson.telemetry.microsoft.com
watson.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
redir.metaservices.microsoft.com
choice.microsoft.com
choice.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
df.telemetry.microsoft.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
services.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
sqm.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
telemetry.microsoft.com
watson.ppe.telemetry.microsoft.com
telemetry.appex.bing.net
telemetry.urs.microsoft.com
telemetry.appex.bing.net:443
settings-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
survey.watson.microsoft.com
watson.live.com
watson.microsoft.com
statsfe2.ws.microsoft.com
corpext.msitadfs.glbdns2.microsoft.com
compatexchange.cloudapp.net
cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
a-0001.a-msedge.net
statsfe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
sls.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
fe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
diagnostics.support.microsoft.com
corp.sts.microsoft.com
statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com
pre.footprintpredict.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
feedback.windows.com
feedback.microsoft-hohm.com
feedback.search.microsoft.com
rad.msn.com
preview.msn.com
ad.doubleclick.net
ads.msn.com
ads1.msads.net
ads1.msn.com
a.ads1.msn.com
a.ads2.msn.com
adnexus.net
adnxs.com
az361816.vo.msecnd.net
az512334.vo.msecnd.net
I can read. I don't need to watch two retards mumble their way through a poorly shot video.
Why do people still claim these things, and why to techies (not marketing people) consent to attaching their names to such nonsense?
Stupid because:
1) No, it is not unhackable. Throw a contest with a bounty to easily prove this.
2) 99% of "hacks" work through social engineering nowadays, and these work regardless of how secure your software is.
3) Selling your own modified version of Windows will get you sued by Microsoft very quickly.
Since I have several machines to play with at home, I decided to go ahead with the *cough* upgrade *cough* on one of them. Here are the problems I've encountered in just a couple hours of usage.
1. Windows Explorer has been replaced with MS Edge.
No, you mean Internet Explorer has been replaced with MS Edge. Windows Explorer is the file manager, which has been renamed to File Explorer, and like everything else in Windows 10 they've made a number of stupid, pointless changes that make it just a little worse
The good news is that Explorer still exists somewhere on the system. From Edge, there's an option to open one of your favorites in Explorer, and I was able to pin explorer to my bottom bar to avoid having to launch edge. MS seems to have hidden Explorer...it doesn't show up in the list of all apps.
This is one of the big problems with the Window 8 and 10 UI. Some things don't show up in the list of all apps. So for example, you have to know to navigate your way to [C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer] where you will find Internet Explorer.
Every computer I've used forever has a BIOS setting that tells the computer to always turn on the numlock key at bootup. Windows 10 ignores this and every time you boot you have to remember to manually turn on the numlock. If you use the number pad a lot (I do) it's extremely annoying. There's a registry setting that fixes this, but Jeez, how do you fuck up something that has worked forever.
Overall, Windows 10 is completely pointless. After spending considerable time tweaking and trying to get things into a usable state, I was left with a computer that worked reasonably well (if you are willing to live with all the annoyances) but didn't have one single feature that was better than Windows 7, which has none of the annoyances of W 10.
So I wiped the hard drive and restored Windows 7 from a backup (Acronis True Image is your friend).
Seems about as credible as that thing Homer Simpson won for being fat and falling in a hole.
yes, we now have confirmation that the ISDA is a bumch of clueless morons.
The Windows 10 Start Menu is an abomination that has almost none of the functionality of a real Start Menu (ie, Windows 7 and earlier) and all of the bad things of the Windows 8 Start Screen now crammed into a smaller space.
So you can exceed your monthly bandwidth quota in an hour or less and be charged for overage in record time.
but premiums will necessarily drop as well and the overall amount of money within the car insurance system will dwindle.
You have no idea how this works, does you? How much you pay for a service has nothing to do with how much it costs to provide a service. It's a matter of how much the market will bear.
Exactly right. If you think insurance premiums will go down significantly, if at all, you're being extremely naive.
Sometimes it's a matter of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it,' ,
If it ain't broke, break it.
I hope this is the case, and I'm proven brain-dead wrong. MS hasn't really pulled any real "fast ones" recently. W10 looks like it will be the next Windows 7 or XP.
I've been trying out the various Technical Previews over the past few months and I'm not surprised that they've pulled the plug on this. There's no way it was going to be ready by the target date of July 29.
ignoring the obvious bugs, there's not much to like abut Win 10. I'm sure they've made a lot of improvements "under the hood" but from a user standpoint, it's just more of the same, only a little worse. They've Doubled-Down On Stupid.
The same ugly color scheme as Windows 8, that looks like puke, only now the icons are uglier. Speaking of icons, they've changed the Recycle Bin icon at least 3 times. Seriously, Microsoft? *THAT'S* what you're working on? And the Recycle Bin icon from the latest build looks very similar to the one from Windows 95. Wow. That's really modern! I guess Microsoft figures that anyone who used Windows 95 is too old and senile to notice.
And it corrupts the other hard drives in my system. Nice. And the so-called "Start Menu" is an unusable mess. Fortunately, that problem is solved by using a program like Classic Shell or something similar. And then there's all the pointless, useless "apps". No wonder it's free. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather pay for something usable.
until advertisers vet every single advert (like a newspaper) and use static adverts instead of javascript they will remain blocked.
Where does that leave web applications that use scripts for core functionality, such as online whiteboards or even opening and closing comment subtrees in SoylentNews, Slashdot, or another threaded web-based discussion forum? People will end up whitelisting scripts on those web applications' domains to "unbreak" them and getting ad scripts along with them.
It leaves them mostly unaffected. Adblock Plus is an adblocker, not a javascript whitelist addon. You may be thinking of NoScript.
I use AdBlock frequently to block Javascript that is loading from somewhere other than the page I'm on. This disables a lot of the annoying ads.
I don't care very much for Randy Harper and her "harassment" escapades, but I can't wait for domain whois blockers to go away. If people are using your contact information to ring your phone off the hook, then complain to the police and phone companies.
I don't know what parallel universe you live in, but in this one the police and phone company don't give two shits about this sort of thing, except maybe if you are someone famous or influential.
I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.
You don't understand. "Modern" is the new marketing buzzword which actually means "we're recycling a bunch of old shit from 20 years ago and calling it new". For example, the Recycle Bin icon in Windows 10, after being changed 3 times over the past several months, now looks like something straight out of Windows 95.
I'm unsure if similar search engines would be useful if they didn't try to figure out what you WANT to see rather than what you ASK to see.
Wait . . what?
How is it useful to give me thousands of results that are completely irrelevant to what I am searching for? Only give me results that contain EXACTLY the words I typed. And I shouldn't have to use quotations marks or other silly nonsense.
If your eating something where the primary ingredient is HFCS I doubt there is any way to make that product healthy. They would just replace HFCS with something slightly less bad.
I'd say people generally eating too much food is a bigger problem than HFCS.
I'm not aware of any product where the primary ingredient is HFCS. However, it is found in many places where it doesn't belong simply because fat and sugar make things taste better. That is why there is HFCS in bread. That's why there is even a sweetener of some sort in most salt.