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New Leaked Build Is Evidence That Windows 10 Will Be Ready By July 29
Ammalgam writes: A new pre-released build of Microsoft's latest Operating System Windows 10 leaked to the internet today. The build (10151) shows a more refined and significantly faster user interface than previous versions of the product. Microsoft seem to be focused on last minute refinements of the UI at this point and the product looks almost ready for prime time. A picture gallery of Windows 10 build 10151 can be found here.
Literally. So I will run Linux instead. No GNUs is not good GNUs.
The fact that you can reserve a download of Windows 10 with a release date of July 29 isn't evidence of this already?
How the hell it became news, I don't have a clue either. Microsoft said it was going to be released on July 29th, almost 28 days ago.
Om, nomnomnom...
The modern OSes, including Win10, as if competing who can make a bigger clusterfuck out of the UI.
Some say it is because of the touchscreen support. But in my experience it sucks even more with the touchscreen. Unless you play movies or listen to music. Because even moderately involved browsing (say going through the bug tracking) is already rather tedious.
At least under Linux, I can replace the UI with something user-friendly like Xfce or LXDE. Useless with touchscreen - but fully usable with the mouse and not fucked up.
All hope abandon ye who enter here.
I downloaded a Windows 10 preview from Microsoft last week, it works, sort of, feels slow and MobaXterm keeps launching new windows for some reason...
It's hardly an evidence - the leaked build does not really show anything revolutionary new, and we have to take a word of the author of the article that it is sleek and fast, because there are no benchmarks to compare this build with the older one. This looks more like a pitch to me.
The number of people on that linked article that say they'll stick with Windows 8.1. We've been on Windows 10 for most of the year. It's had some big issues at times since it's a developer build, but no way in Hell we'd trade it for Windows 8.X.
Let's be honest here...
No release of windows is ready for 'Prime Time' on the day it is first shipped. Anyone who things otherwise is IMHO deluded or an MS employee.
The Windows Insider builds are available to anyone who can be bothered signing up to the program. The only 'leak' here is if publishing screenshots constitutes a breach of the EULA.
MS releases an updated beta. *yawn*
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I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.
Also, Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future, that all features will continue to work, and that they pay for any damages that result from an automatic upgrade going wrong. So it doesn't seem wise to upgrade, at least not immediately. I'd rather wait a year or two.
7 mentions of Microsoft, 4 mentions of Windows and a gigantic advert for 'Microsoft Hadroop' at the top of the page. Have you no shame Timothy ?
They're releasing SP1 on July 29th? When was the GM released?
Also, Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future, that all features will continue to work, and that they pay for any damages that result from an automatic upgrade going wrong. So it doesn't seem wise to upgrade, at least not immediately.
Most software is provided "as-is" without such guarantees. You have to go with mission critical software with expensive contracts if you really want that kind of assurance.
That being said, it's still unlikely that there would be subscriptions or that some features would not continue to work. It's also likely that there will be reasonably good QA for the automatic updates. Microsoft has lots of high-profile customers who do not want shit going wrong.
Especially that subscription thing would immediately move hordes of people to Mac and Linux, so it's probably not going to happen in the near future.
According to Microsoft, Windows 10 was released a long time ago.
My Windows 8.1 tablet has several times - first time about a month ago - told me that Windows 10 is now available. Not via a developer MSDN account, not participating in any betas or anything - a plain end user Windows 8.1 Home install, like the one my parents have on their laptop.
I didn't find out if they were trying to trick non-technical people into installing a preview, though, I never got any further than clicking the tile, as it dropped into desktop mode, and having no keyboard and mouse nearby, I gave up. I'm not going to try fat-fingering a Windows 10 install, I'd probably end up selecting "format everything, including the restore partition", as a finger easily covers three checkboxes.
about 10% of windows users are using Media Center to Record Content off of Cable and Antenna. Microsoft hasn't introduced improvements or cleaned up lagy buggy crashing code for a decade but people are still using it because its the best solution and because Microsoft basically Stomped their competition to death back when they introduced it in Win95 There are no other products that offer this solution so people including myself suffer through unoptimized buggy garbage code because there is NOTHING ELSE. All of the people compiling legal archives of content, all of the people saving on cable boxes or cutting the cord and relying on Media Center to grab every decent show on Antenna based TV because there are some good shows but often when you can't watch. The Preview of Win10 had Media Center.. the Release version won't All I can guess is that Comcast who they are partners with asked them to kill media center so people wont be able to control their own content and will have to use expensive DVRs ... this is not right
Whats worse is a project over at TheGreenButton tried to port or get Media Center working on a Release Version
AND MICROSOFT IS PURPOSELY BLOCKING ITS INSTALL BY REGISTRY AND OTHER METHODS
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Whats the deal 10% of your install base and you won't even recompile your existing code and put 10 people on the project to fix bugs?
No one is asking for Media Center to now include Kodi.TV options.. we want it to record TV Signal and to do so with a TV Guide.
Its just so wrong.. microsoft is so screwed up now... well for a while now
I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.
It reminds me strongly of late Microsoft Encarta 1998 (sample). That said, Encarta's UI was a favorite of mine, and so I look forward to using Windows 10.
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I don't know, Windows 10 looks rather 80s to me. It certainly doesn't look modern.
You don't understand. "Modern" is the new marketing buzzword which actually means "we're recycling a bunch of old shit from 20 years ago and calling it new". For example, the Recycle Bin icon in Windows 10, after being changed 3 times over the past several months, now looks like something straight out of Windows 95.
The two previous trolls, though both of the same gender (zerblat) will be joined in unholy matrollmony on July 29, celebrating the release of Windows with a little release of their own.
Having taken a look at the screenshots, I can't help but think of words like "garish", "cartoonish" and "Oh, dear, it looks like Rainbow Brite puked all over the screen".
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Last Preview I tried was 10130 and was still not impressed with its stability. I know Microsoft's Windows team is probably scrambling right now to meet its own deadline. But its crunch time now and I have already cancelled my reservation for a Windows 10 upgrade because I feel its going to be hit or miss on what works and does not work depending on your hardware and software. I am still unclear why this is, because much of Windows 10 has been focused on the user interface not the core OS. The Edge / Spartan seems very unstable for a release only a month away and in reality its less then that to get RTM done. It will be interesting to see how well Microsoft can push out Windows 10 upgrade as a Windows update to so many devices. I myself have decided the gains from Windows 10 are not nearly enough to jump into the mess on the 29th. I'll wait to see how the early adopters fair and let them be the judges.
shows a more refined and significantly faster user interface than previous versions of the product.
Says who? All I've seen so far is the standard change for change's sake, plus a mini metro menu slapped into the start menu as a big middle finger to everyone who says Metro sucks.
In 2020 Microsoft might be gone; until then, I'm using Win7. I'll be curious to see how SteamOS pans out for gaming.
YAWWWWWN! Still looks like Windows 8 to me. Windows 8's UI and "look and feel" sucks big green donkey dicks! I'll be sticking with Windows 7.
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...Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future...
One Microsoft exec did say that Windows 10 was the start of "Windows as a Service" (WaaS). The resulting uproar caused Microsoft to backpedal quickly from the remark.
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But we now know what is on Microsoft's mind for Windows in the future.
You have to admit, Windows 2.0 benefits greatly from HD displays and millions of colours.
At the time of its initial release, you barely had 16 colours for the whole screen, and you had to convey information with them.
Nowadays, you can have 16 distinct shades of grey, none of which gives you the slightest clue about if some UI element is actually click-able/tap-able or not, but man, aren't these fonts gorgeous ?
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Windows is already ahead of Linux in terms of performance, security and stability. These days one has to think twice if he really wants to replace his Windows desktop with Linux. Does one really want to convert his smoothly working computer into a construction yard with constant stream of little glitches that require manual fixing.
Windows 10 is very dated feeling. I've been using it since the Insider Preview came out.
It's not even close to the level that Android/iOS mobile is at in terms of UI and UX. It's not even to the level of a modern Linux desktop.
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What's with the flat buttons all over??? I want my buttons to stand out, even if by just a bit.
Also, is that a picture of a *web*browser* without the address bar?
My bet is that MS screwed up the interface quite a bit... I attempted to use Win8 in a Staples store the other day, and simply couldn't figure out how to startup the damn Notepad! That's usability fail right there.
I was hoping they continue releasing an English language version ;)
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You know, it does kinda look like the original Xeroc PARC design: http://netdna.webdesignerdepot...
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A lot of it is just the run of the mill stupid site trying to drive up traffic with controversial headlines. Worked too, Slashdot linked to them. However part of it is just the guy being a derp and thinking that because the UI wasn't completely polished off it wasn't ready to go. Had he looked in to it, he'd realize that kind of polish is nearly always the things that comes last, right before release, for a variety of reasons.
Looking at the pictures, it seemed to remind me of something. Very much how MSN's dialup application used to look. Mainly from all of the black. Just a first impression. I'd really like to try it, but I no longer have a computer with a FAT or NTFS partition.
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What's with the flat buttons all over???
That's awesome. You like it. Best design ever.
I attempted to use Win8 in a Staples store the other day, and simply couldn't figure out how to startup the damn Notepad! That's usability fail right there.
There are a lot of webpages out there that tell you how to shut Down the computer when you are using W8. That tells us much.
Fanbois tell us to yank out the cord or battery.
Their start screen which uses the whole display is bullshit. I literally had no idea you could swipe and see more icons. Nothing indicates that is even possible. No scroll bars or even arrows to show there might be more in another direction. To access the options for the Metro apps you have to swipe the right side of the screen ONLY WHEN ITS LOADING. Seriously, what the fuck?
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i didn't understand one sentence you said. add some more acronyms to clear it up.
If the link shows W10 (or, as they use to say, "Windows"), it is an overall very lousy design. To me it resembles slightly to Unity, with all the bad items carried forward from W8. Look at an almost full-screen simple interaction box: "Continue" on 70% real estate. On childish blue.
1001 *nix desktops had a nicer default background, to start with. It all looks awfully flat, I'd advertise it as "Finally real 2-D!". Navigation? A bunch of overlapping windows, seemingly arbitrarily placed on the desktop. Navigation? I see no structured clustering of applications, actually reminding me of that famous W3.x
I can imagine that it will appeal to the average art-agnostized SMS-speaking audience though; those who consider IKEA to be the most fashionable, creative and most inventive furniture shop. To those who run about brandishing their tattoos by wearing spaghetti shirts and hot pants.
That's a complete load of shit. It's easily better than any Linux desktop.
It is Windows 8, with a full desktop and the worst that people can say about the UI is that the start menu is a much more extreme version of the KDE start menu. In other words, it fixes most of what people hated about 8 by giving you a real desktop again.
The Android/iOS "grid of icons all-the-same" is tired and limited. The ability to have live tiles convey the important info beneath the button so you don't need to load it is nice.
I've barely even turned on my 10" Android tablet since I gat a Win 8.1 tablet. Which was about the same price (both are Asus) as an Android, but runs real x86 Windows, not a toy sandboxed thing. I can't wait for Win 10. The new Win is great on touch based hardware.
Very modern and beautiful OS. Microsoft is reinventing personal computer. Again. Meanwhile, OS X is continuing its march to unify with iOS. And Linux is acting like a time capsule to be shown in museums how it was in the mid 2000s. [/sarcasm]
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Windows has made a lot of advancements, but the picture is not clear cut.
Performance: Graphics driver stack and utilization Windows is ahead by a wide margin. Otherwise Linux usually wins (though some debate can be had about scheduling behaviors). For reference, look at the Top500 list and count the Windows deployments versus Linux.
Security: This really is more subjective than objective in many ways. Windows let's you *think* you are logged in as admin without actually giving admin in a pretty sophisticated way. Given the common use case of desktop users using just one account as 'admin', this is probably one of the most important facets. Additionally the ability to hold multiple security contexts without having distinct processes enables applications to take advantage of OS privilege enforcement in a more efficient manner. On the flipside, Linux has more advanced namespace manipulation and enriched mandatory access control. There is much better framework for hard enforcement of very fine grained things in Linux.
Stability: At this point things are fairly even. MS gets a nod for more resilient graphics stack, but I'd say the quality of third party drivers is frequently lower in Windows than Linux. I get more crashes on a modern Windows system than a Linux system, but I don't think MS is to blame anymore directly. If Linux were more popular and third parties did the same BS they do in Windows, Linux would probably suffer just as badly. In this way, the GPL I think has helped Linux as a kernel greatly.
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Also, Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future, that all features will continue to work,
Yes, they have, you are just trying to spread FUD. They have made it very clear that there is no subscription model for Windows 10 and that Media Center is going away.
and that they pay for any damages that result from an automatic upgrade going wrong.
Neither MS nor anyone else can guaranty that your upgrade will work. If you aren't backing up your system/s that is your (foolish) choice.
So it doesn't seem wise to upgrade, at least not immediately.
This is true of any major software release
That's a complete load of shit. It's easily better than any Linux desktop.
No, you are full of shit. I've never seen any desktop environment on Linux anywhere close to the utter ineptness of Windows.
Wow, what's happened to this place? Someone says Linux is better than Windows and gets marked flamebait.
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Until they fix Windows Update not working I'm not sure I'd call it ready.
Microsoft are still not listening to the anger of the user base... they are backpedaling a bit, but are still not giving us a lean, clean and intuitive user experience...
DRM infection, bad UI design, dictatorship attitude, Annoying Metro, and disregard for hardcore developers has really made me hate microsoft and their ways... they are annoying company now... with people like Steve Balmer (sales person) getting into lead roles, the whole place stinks of fish.
As a result, I tried Linux Min 17.1 Cinnamon - what a breath of fresh air... its rock solid stable and intuitive... does what a desktop should. I'm totally sold on it... Ubuntu's Unity desktop was as shit as Metro, and stopped me from making the switch from windows sooner...
Linux gives users the power to direct its future... which is just the no1 most awesome thing about it...
I think the real question is, for those of us debating the free upgrade, most of us with Windows 7, how long do you wait?
I guess it must depend on how much of a disaster the initial launch is...
From my own perspective it will be: How many drivers will be broken? What software will not be supported?
All I know for sure is that WMC will be gone, and I will have to find a replacement for it. Though it has been kinda half broken for awhile now (unsupported codecs etc...).
No, they still use the phrase 'Windows as a Service' prominently. There's no hint that means anything with respect to how people *pay* for the thing. It seems to refer to two things depending on the audience:
-Rolling release for the consumer space. No longer do consumers have to/get to decide on a particular version. On the plus side, if you were running Vista and then 7 level of functionality came along, you get fixed for no additional cost. On the down side, if you are running something 7 like and 8 comes along, you get changed to the 8 vision (8 underpinnings were great, except for 'Modern' UI and apps).
-Deferred recognition of revenue for investors. Investors want the appearance of a 'subscription' like revenue stream. MS realizes this would be suicide for an *OS*, but still has to satisfy those demands. So hypothetically a user buys the OS for $100 from his perspective. MS defers the revenue so it *looks* like the user pre-paid for 4 years of a subscription at $25/yr. Note that there's not guarantee that the user will stop using it before that 4 years is up, but the expectation is that in aggregate that'll be the useful life of that purchase (tied to the hardware device, maybe not transferrable even for retail anymore?).
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It's exactly the same way as Windows 7. Hit Windows-R and type "notepad". There's really no help for people like you. My wife and kids figured out Windows 8 in about 15 minutes and had no issues at all. I have to question how competent some of the people and this are of they really can't figure Windows 8 out.
I think a lot of Ubuntu and GNOME3 users would be much, much, happier if you were right. Both Unity and GNOME3 have tried to re-invent the desktop, but neither really have been successful.
Neither are a 2000s museum. But both could learn a lot from what Microsoft is doing - this should not be written as an endorsement of anyone deciding that the next GNU/Linux Desktop should be a clone of Windows, there's a difference between learning from and copying..
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I have just downloaded and installed Windows 10 on a PC, it seems like there is no way to disable windows update other than not connecting to the internet at all. This can be a problem if the update causes blue screen.
It's not even close to the level that Android/iOS mobile is at in terms of UI and UX.
Come on, it's not that bad! Even saying it's comparable to Android and iOS is a bit extreme, but to call it worse is just too much.
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Everything is a bit 80s today, haven't you noticed? ;)
Jurassic and Terminator was just released, they are making new Top Gun.
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Nowadays, you can have 16 distinct shades of grey
I want no fewer than 50, before I upgrade, thanks.
So if I understand your logic correctly, you're going to forgo the free version and wait a year or two when you know you're going to have to pay for it because you're afraid you're going to have to pay for it? Be realistic, the worst case, if you take up the free offer is that you may have to pay a subscription to upgrade after that. If you don't want to continue with the upgrades you stay where you're at. That shouldn't be an issue for you if you're already willing to stay where you're at. I don't believe they're going to give you a version for free then start charging you for that same version after a year.
" Microsoft seem to be focused on last minute refinements of the UI ..."
The words "Microsoft" and "last minute" in the same sentence are....concerning. Hell, they have enough issues when they're not trying to reach self-imposed deadlines.
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I'm tired of MS and their slow and bloated Windows Servers network services, Active Directory, IIS, Exchange, and PowerShell which are overly complicated, confusing, mind fucked products. The business world really needs to dump their over complicated and confusing products. You have to be a rocket scientist or someone with no life to figure out how to work those products. And Windows, you play russian roulette when it comes to their fucking updates and now the windows 10 home version won't give you the same update options as in pro, how fucking nice of them.
MS is fucking overrated and some of their products just too damn complex. The first time I used Linux I had trouble with my video drivers and screen tearing as well, but, I found the solution within an hour. But with windows it literally takes weeks to find a solution and sometimes the only solution is to reinstall the OS from scratch.
Not even windows-R.. Hit the windows key and start typing (also worked in Windows 7) and you'll find what you're looking for.
Success: Due to the 'free upgrade for Win 7/8' offer and the pent up demand from Win XP/Vista users, many folks will upgrade. SSD prices are also dropping fast, so by end-2015 many people will be more inclined to get/build new PCs.
Failure: Microsoft's 'web ecosystem' is still a flop, and sales of Windows 10 phones and tablets are still low.
Sometime down the road Windows may be offered as a subscription-based software. Microsoft may deny this now, but things may change in future if it needs a steady revenue stream. Office 365 was a foretaste of things to come. The fact that you need a Microsoft account to 'reserve' your copy of Windows 10 is quite telling. Windows in the future may be similar to a freemium online game, and one that requires an always-on Internet connection.
Satya Nadella was Microsoft's cloud and data guy before he became the CEO. It shouldn't be too surprising that the products are aligning with his inclinations.
I think I've had an average of one blue screen on each Windows 7 machine I have installed. That's over a span of about 5 years. I've never had a Linux desktop installation that didn't crash so badly as to need a rebuild over a 1 year period.
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
Windows HAS given repeated guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions for Windows 10. Waiting more than a year is stupid if you have a free upgrade path.
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
Which is why one of the first things I'll do with Windows 10 will be to install a patch that fixes uxtheme.dll. The Microsoft-provided version in every Windows so far had this persistent bug where it can't see third-party themes, which is annoying and something Microsoft really ought to fix themselves instead of relying on external programmers to pick up the slack.
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The Top500 is not relevant to desktop or laptop performance.
I love using linux for all my HPC stuff but on a desktop or worse a laptop it can be a major pain in the ass. Linux is really tuned for a server and not as a desktop. Even with an SSD and all fully supported hardware on a laptop linux just doesn't run as well. It can use things like optimus to switch between integrated gpu and dedicated gpu but it is clunky and buggy compared to windows. The interface does not run as smoothly and the fonts don't render as well.
Only part of the problem is that consumer hardware is designed for windows, the other part of the problem is that linux still does not take the desktop seriously after all of these years. The entire experience is still pretty glitchy and I have used linux as a desktop for over 15 years now. Windows has improved enormously and it is harder and harder justifying using linux as an end user machine.
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Windows HAS given repeated guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions for Windows 10. Waiting more than a year is stupid if you have a free upgrade path.
Uh huh. And the next minor rolling release will be labeled Windows 11, thus ending your free Windows 10 subscription.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
I'd rather they "learned" from Apple actually.
Very modern and beautiful OS. Microsoft is reinventing personal computer. Again. Meanwhile, OS X is continuing its march to unify with iOS. And Linux is acting like a time capsule to be shown in museums how it was in the mid 2000s.
Wrong.
OS X is carefully incorporating certain design elements and UI paradigms that appeared first in iOS.
That is a far, far, cry from simply pitching out an entire Desktop UI and replacing it with garish children's building blocks, hidden tools and the window dressings from Windows 3.1.
Why the hell can't they just bring back the Windows 7 look? Do we all have to buy WindowBlinds just to make Windows 10 look decent again? Fucking 'UX' assholes. You can't tell what is or isn't clickable, 'so bright it's almost white'. They haven't got a fucking clue how to design user interfaces - just imagine that - an entire team of idiots, being paid a fortune, to fuck up what was already working perfectly, and no new ideas from them either.
Windows is already ahead of Linux in terms of performance, security and stability. These days one has to think twice if he really wants to replace his Windows desktop with Linux.
You're so right!
These days, the best choice for desktops is clearly OS X. Even with the changes in 10.10 and 10.11, overall, they are head and shoulders above everyone else in the UI department.
Additionally the ability to hold multiple security contexts without having distinct processes enables applications to take advantage of OS privilege escalation in a more efficient manner.
FTFY.
I think I've had an average of one blue screen on each Windows 7 machine I have installed. That's over a span of about 5 years. I've never had a Linux desktop installation that didn't crash so badly as to need a rebuild over a 1 year period.
Wow. I've had exactly two Kernel Panics in fifteen years of running OS X.
One was from a really sketchy freeware scanner driver, back around OS X 10.1 or 10.2; and the other was from bad Third-Party RAM I purchased with my G5 tower, in 10.4 days.
Neither was OS X's fault, per se. Other than that, I've never had a Black Screen of Death (KP Error Screen) on OS X.
-Deferred recognition of revenue for investors. Investors want the appearance of a 'subscription' like revenue stream. MS realizes this would be suicide for an *OS*, but still has to satisfy those demands. So hypothetically a user buys the OS for $100 from his perspective. MS defers the revenue so it *looks* like the user pre-paid for 4 years of a subscription at $25/yr. Note that there's not guarantee that the user will stop using it before that 4 years is up, but the expectation is that in aggregate that'll be the useful life of that purchase (tied to the hardware device, maybe not transferrable even for retail anymore?).
It's happening right now, in certain MS business divisions.
Office365 is being marketed heavily to businesses, as are "SaaS versions" of certain MS Dynamics products (e.g. MS Dynamics NAV), which has bent-over-backwards to both incorporate Office365, as well as has created a "Multi-Tenancy" paradigm, which is suitable ONLY to "hosted" installations (think Azure).
Those are just the first.
Time to jump on the OS X bandwagon! You won't ever look back...
I can't wait for Win 10. The new Win is great on touch based hardware.
Which the majority of Desktops and even Laptops don't have.
Don'tcha think that, if this Touch UI paradigm was so wonderfully applicable to non-tablet-y devices, that the hands-down leader in touch-UI (Apple) would have by now had "touch" on every MacBook and iMac in the lineup?
Don'tcha think they have a "touch-based" version of OS X (and prototype MacBooks and iMacs) in their labs for several years now? Why do you think they are so clearly bucking this marketing trend, when it was them who single-handedly brought touch-based UI development out of the Stylus age, where MS had it (unsuccessfully) stuck for over a decade, with almost zero interest?
You know, it does kinda look like the original Xeroc PARC design: http://netdna.webdesignerdepot...
Whew! Now finally people can stop that "Apple ripped off Xerox PARC" meme!
Fanbois tell us to yank out the cord or battery.
It's the only way to be sure.
Hard to tell. That link was to a site in English but all the screen shots were in Chinese, and without any explanatory text or organization into cateogories even if you did know Chinese. There's just no useful stuff there to make any opinion for or against Windows 10. A very bad bit of marketing there.
These days, the best choice for desktops is clearly OS X. Even with the changes in 10.10 and 10.11, overall, they are head and shoulders above everyone else in the UI department.
This just demonstrates the idiot designer mentality perfectly! As if the only thing that matters is how the operating system UI looks but functionally OSX lacks even simple things like the ability to log in to a machine without a mouse. There is no way to tab into the password field at the OSX login screen, though I do get that this may not be the "Apple way" and that Apple drones cant conceive of the possibility that a user would "hold it wrong" and do something other than the way Apple dictates you must do it. This 1984-style of computing is evident in iOS too where the lack of unified storage means that you cannot work on one file across multiple applications.
Apple products are great in many ways but they have a loyal base of fans that think they are the best thing ever no matter what they produce. Just watch the press conferences and actually listen to what they are saying then you have these fanboys dutifully parroting it back.
Also, Microsoft has not yet given us any guarantees that we will not have to pay for subscriptions in future, that all features will continue to work, and that they pay for any damages that result from an automatic upgrade going wrong.
Neither has Apple on their platforms or Google on theirs and even if you run Linux you end up getting systemd shoved on your system and breaking stuff.
Wow, what's happened to this place? Someone says Linux is better than Windows and gets marked flamebait.
Probably because the "operating system X is better than operating system Y" kind of argument either with no context or on subjective grounds is flamebait.
OSX lacks even simple things like the ability to log in to a machine without a mouse. There is no way to tab into the password field at the OSX login screen,
Wrong! fucktard.
There are actually TWO ways to do this: If the Mac is set to show a list of Users at startup, then pressing the first letter of you Username and Press Return (Enter). This will put you into the Password field, where you can enter your Password.
The second method involves pressing Ctrl-F7, which puts OS X into "full keyboard access" mode (it's a toggle). Then you can use TAB to move between Input fields and other UI elements.
As I am sure you don't know, because you are an arrogant little ignorant fucktard hater, is that OSX has ALWAYS supported a pretty large array of built-in Keyboard commands; and not only that, unlike Windows (I don't know about Linux), you can actually DEFINE Keyboard shortcuts that are Application-Specific, or even System-Wide (see link on the Article I linked-to).
So, I guess the "Apple Way" is really more like "Whatever way you want", eh?
I guess it's time for the obligatory "You must be new here"
I want a list of atrocities done in your name - Recoil
I want to punch the guy who decided the windows calculator should be limited to one instance.
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
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"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
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* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk
Nearly all the goofiness around the desktop experience in Linux is around the graphics stack. This is of course critical for desktops, but I had mentioned it above.
I go with Linux because I just don't like the Windows UI choice. I use Windows on my gaming system, but my Intel graphics laptop I just do linux. The graphics are adequate and my ability to actually debug weird stuff is better (my Windows system started hanging on attempts to shutdown, restart, or suspend and there's no peep of a clue as to what it's trying to do when it hangs).
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
I don't know OSX and have no opinion on the matter, but Ctrl-F7 before tab can navigate between input fields seems weird. Why not have those commonly used keyboard shortcuts 'just work' without particular difficulty.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
I don't know OSX and have no opinion on the matter, but Ctrl-F7 before tab can navigate between input fields seems weird. Why not have those commonly used keyboard shortcuts 'just work' without particular difficulty.
Ctrl-F7 ("Full Keyboard Access") is part of the "Accessibility" Features in OS X. Normally, you can just TAB between Text Input Fields in Dialogs in OS X; but Ctrl-F7 enables a BUNCH (more) Keyboard Commands in OS X that can be used for UI Navigation, and was mentioned in an internet posting I found regarding how to navigate the OS X Login screen without requiring a Mouse.
On Windows 10, the Start menu is back if you are on a computer with a keyboard and pointing device. No learning curve. If you are using a tablet you get a Start screen that has both tiles and a full program listing.
Build 10158 was released to the Fast ring yesterday. People who are running the Insider Preview of Windows 10 can now see a more recent build than that leaked one.
What about the removal of bugs? MS is notorious for performing minimal regression testing for errors, preferring to let users find them, at no cost to MS, then releasing patches.Never install version xx.0 of any,software, especially from MS.
I'm trying to figure out what happened to the frosted glass Microsoft promised us. In the screenshots from the article we only see frosted glass in the start menu and taskbar but everything else, like the window titlebars, is still flat and bland.
I hope at least the frosted glass is part of the DWM again so that Stardock can take advantage of it in WindowBlinds.
Wow! You are a really awful person. He/she (admittedly incorrectly) stated that you cannot log in to OS X without a mouse and you have reacted as though he called your mother a filthy whore. Are all Apple fanboys this protective of Apple?
And yet all of the cutting edge hardware and professional level software is for Windows.
All Linux distros look like they are straight from the early 90s with amateur programmer art and zero thought put into the arrangement of the UIs. Android has severe performance issues with lagging and jerkiness even when just scrolling a simple menu or web site. Pretty much everything based on Linux is a fucking joke, which is why the usage share is what? Like 1% of the entire market? LOL!
Linux desktop environments all look like they were made by a teenager for a school project. Extremely unprofessional and unclean looking.
Nah, the Mac OS UI looks like it was made by an amateur; someone who had no clue as to proper placement or graphics design. Even Linux desktop environments like Cinnamon and Mate look far more professional and polished than Mac OS.
Windows is vastly superior in not only UI, but stability, speed and compatibility to both.
Maybe old people just enjoy silly arguments more.
Actually the majority of all computing devices these days have touch screens.
Wrong! fucktard.
No, not wrong. Ctrl+F7 does not work on the login screen --- at least in Snow Leopard which is what I am using --- because I can't get the focus back to the login window after dismissing the dialog about not finding the bluetooth mouse. Why are you getting so angry about it?
As I am sure you don't know, because you are an arrogant little ignorant fucktard hater, is that OSX has ALWAYS supported a pretty large array of built-in Keyboard commands
So this must be why they call it the "cult of mac", apparently having difficulty using Apple products makes you "an arrogant little ignorant fucktard hater". You are a truly disgusting person.
I never noticed that. You're right - it's nearly identical. It just has the font anti-aliasing (and better kerning as a result) and the higher DPI that's needed to make it work well.
You press the Windows key and start typing "not" and press enter when it pops up as the first result. Same as Windows Vista and 7.
"Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)
See subject: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
&
MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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Tells us, omniweasel:
* HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?
LMAO...
Additionally - have some manners!
It's NOT POLITE to talk with your mouth full as you "eat your words" quoted above after all that proof to the contrary from reputable sources.
APK
P.S.=> Lastly: You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
&
Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
LMAO @ U, "omniloser"... apk
"Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)
See subject: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
&
MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
---
Tells us, omniweasel:
* HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?
LMAO...
Additionally - have some manners!
It's NOT POLITE to talk with your mouth full as you "eat your words" quoted above after all that proof to the contrary from reputable sources.
APK
P.S.=> Lastly: You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
&
Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
LMAO @ U, "omniloser"... apk
Microsoft have already said Windows 10 is the last version number and that from now on the OS would simply be "Windows".
So much for your uneducated theory.
Hang on a sec, I want to try a little experiment.
macs4all's mother is a filthy whore who likes having multiple men thrust their cocks into her ass.
Apples is a shit company that makes overpriced and underpowered garbage that only idiots buy.
"Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)
See subject: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
&
MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
---
Tells us, omniweasel:
* HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?
LMAO...
Additionally - have some manners!
It's NOT POLITE to talk with your mouth full as you "eat your words" quoted above after all that proof to the contrary from reputable sources.
APK
P.S.=> Lastly: You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
&
Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
LMAO @ U, "omniloser"... apk
"Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)
See subject: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
&
MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
---
Tells us, omniweasel:
* HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?
LMAO...
Additionally - have some manners!
It's NOT POLITE to talk with your mouth full as you "eat your words" quoted above after all that proof to the contrary from reputable sources.
APK
P.S.=> Lastly: You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
&
Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
LMAO @ U, "omniloser"... apk
"Your hosts file comments are not trustworthy" - by omnichad (1198475) on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:22AM (#44520759)
See subject: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who has seen & verified its sourcecode too no less as safe) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
&
MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus (per this VERY recent testing of them all) -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
&
It's GUARANTEED safe & clean (per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently) in BOTH its 64-bit model -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
---
Tells us, omniweasel:
* HOW'S IT TASTE "EATING YOUR WORDS" flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down spiced with the BITTER TASTE of SELF-DEFEAT"?
LMAO...
Additionally - have some manners!
It's NOT POLITE to talk with your mouth full as you "eat your words" quoted above after all that proof to the contrary from reputable sources.
APK
P.S.=> Lastly: You also conceded MANY points on hosts to me & made huge mistakes vs. me here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
&
Here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
LMAO @ U, "omniloser"... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
---
"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
---
* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk