Theoretically, yes, but not sure how practical it would be, since the tranciever has only one external antenna input. I suppose you could use a splitter and diode setup of some sort (really guessing here) to have 2 antennas with one only transmitting and the other only receiving.
Does not look like what they did, they are using 40" mesh antennas, there is a link direct to the project site in another thread.
Had seen a chart elsewhere (was really wanting to link to that) that showed the max somewhere around the 18 dBi you mention. Sorry fro tagging up the wrong language from the reg.
Back to the real point, 1 Watt bi-directional amp + "high-gain" directional does not take much to get into violation territory. Since they left out the gain of the antenna all we can do is guess, but 2' parabolics should get you into max gain without the amp.
Unless... [just dawning on me] the amps are only for receiving, i.e., NOT bi-directional! Now THAT would work without violation, just like some of the fancer wardriving rigs. It increases all the noise but the signal is still there to pick the digital bits out of.
I am just guessing at what they mean in the article by "high-gain". They say they are using a 1 watt bi-directional amp. My personal definition of high gain is a lot higher than 6dBi.
This debate is very misunderstood. This is not a federal law forcing libraries to restrict porn web content. It simply denies federal funding to libraries who are content with letting children browse porn using monies given to libraries for computer upgrades from federal tax dollars. This just requires that if these libraries want the computer money, they have to place safeguards.
Yes, I have heard that before and disagree that the "fences" that the feds can put on money should be unlimited.
I might be in agreement with you, though not sure if this is your opinion, that if they don't want the "strings" they should not take the money to start with.
Judging by your opinons i'd say you dont have children.
I can not speak for him, but I share his opinion and have raised a quite sucessful child. He heven spells better than me;-)
As a responsible parent, I gave him rules, even for the web, monitored his activity and disciplined him accordingly. Taking my parenting responsibilities seriously, I wanted to keep the "village" out of my decisions for his upbringing as much as possible.
In my opinion, the people that need a "nanny state" are the ones that raise little vandal brats, then run back to the government asking for even more nannying to obfuscate their own lack of attentiveness, shirking even more of their own responsibility.
It starts small, theivery by sneeking popcorn and cokes from "the street" into the theater, then it just gets worse... reading the script in the library or bookstore years before release... stealing the whole movie before it appears magically on the silver screen! it is too much! we are a lawless society!
In some countries (US, UK), you can't be tried for the same crime twice. Full stop.
Don't confuse that with multiple charges brought from the same act.
The more proper term is that in the US and UK you can not be tried for the same *offence* twice. It does not preclude the state from bringing charges of burglary later after they failed to convict you on a murder or discharging a firearm or assault charge in a bank, all stemming from the same bank robbery.
Actually, it means the opposite. *With prejudice* means they are free to take it back up again.
Also, if a judge dismisses a case against you "without prejudice*, the state can not bring the charges back against you for the same act even if they find other evidence/circumstances/etc.
Pass a law as a solution? Well, it helps but it does not solve the problem. The tel-mktrs will call from other areas, etc, etc, etc. Approaches like this share a lot with approaches at "outlawing" porn of any form. As long as there is a market, someone will be filling the market.
However, Plenty of technical means are available to thwart this annoying form of marketing, like playing sit.wav (the way telezapper works) over the line on incoming calls, not answering anonymous callers, etc.
Right now, I am in a unique situation since I switched landline service from Verizon to Comcast. Comcast does not have a record of my being their customer (no fault of my own, I filled out a mountain of paperwork, signed, faxed, etc.) so my VM on them does not work. Neither does their billing system for my number;-) Does not kill the sequential dialers, but it does get rid of others.
Will have a dedicated computer answering machine on that line soon, with sit.wav followed by random selections of "Deposit change now", "You do not need to dial 1", etc. before the beep to leave a message.
Others might try the simple message: "Hello... Hello?... HELLO?... I can't hear you, what was that?... Hello?... Hey, I'm not in, leave a message!" as done by Tom Hanks in the movie "Nothing in Common". It wastes the telemarketer's time and gives everybody else a chuckle.
Otherwise, everybody that needs to contact me has my GSM number, it has VM and all is well with my communications world!
The point was, if the sales tax were lower revenue would flow into the State rather than out of it.
BTW, I am an "expatriot" Tennesseean. Tennessee may not get much in the way of fuel taxes from me, but they sure as heck get the revenue from my vehicle regestration and driver's license renewal. That is one area where Tennessee makes a few extra bucks, people in high vehicle tax areas register in TN if possibel and TN gets the revenue.
Also, I always love seeing the annual "income tax riot" in Nashville whenever those dopes try to impose one.
Yes, the citizens of TN have a lower total tax burden than many, but it could be even lower with the help of the surrounding neighbors.
My word, when will these overbearing government goofballs learn that having LOW taxes while surrounded by HIGH tax areas drives business AND revenues up for the low tax area?
Also, don't think that if there is no visible sales tax that you are buying anything tax free. The politicians conveniently forget all of the inventory, property, business income and other tax streams that they are already getting BEFORE they jack up/create a sales tax.
A perfect example of that was Washington, DC. They exempted "not for profit" organizations and had the highest sales tax in the area. This only resulted in the few businesses that were paying taxes to loose business to Maryland and Virginia.
Tennessee is now on their way to driving every bit of retail business near it's borders into the surrounding States with their 9.5% (or is it 10%?) sales tax. That is on top of their invintory taxes, "licensing" taxes, etc.
Solution? A small group of States make it inviting for internet business to locate their warehousing, data centers, etc. there and reap the benefits of elevated employment and higher volume of money due to a lower % of taxation.
As far as "crossing police lines" goes, there was a perfect example during some recent protests in DC.
The licensed protestors (I have a problem with freedom to demonstrate licenses, but they were licensed) were told to disperse. Then all avenues to disperse were blocked and they were all hurded into a park and arrested. Including campus reporters. To cap off the deal, if they waived court and pleaded immediately they could go free. If they wished to discuss it with a lawyer or contest the arrest, they were heald until monday (after the demonstrations would be over). Campus reporters, dorm residents (one hurding area was right in front of a lawschool dorm), pretty much everybody except for "commercial news" reporters.
Oh, btw, this was not some "Evil Right Wing Bush Thing", it was the LEFT WING D.C. government in all of it's glory.
There was an interesting writeup about the situation by a Washington Post cloumnist (too lazy to look it up).
Anyway, this was so recent that it may have not made this study, but it was still wrong to do just the same.
Federal law already requires websites of government agencies and organizations to comply with an accessibility standard. That standard has become the guidline for many private/commercial websites.
WOW! That was fast and I did not remember telling anybody "important" either;-)
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The web, and the world for that matter, should not be designed around the lowest common denominator.
I am in complete agreement with your view.
Also, I would like to see every one of these "imposing" initiatives be imposed on government FIRST. Let the makers of the laws deal with the consiquences and iron out the problems, in the process creating a market that may (or may not) spread through the rest of the economy/society.
Examples: electric/hybred cars - if the entire GSA fleet was composed of these cute little beasts there would be a LARGE base of parts supply, infrastructure, etc. for the "civilian" folks that want to buy them. Don't believe it? Look at the HMMWV, Jeep, etc;
solar/alternative power initiatives - let the government try running a building on methane and windmills before forcing "Joe waiter" to have to pay for the ramp up;
the web example at hand - mandate EVERY government website at every level for every purpose be accessable to everybody no matter what the disability. as the standard evolves others can use it as they please for added accessability to their websites.
Just 2 examples that I like without taking 3 hours to make the post;-)
The genisis of this outlook came when I saw a local government badger, fine and harass small businesses all the while their own courthouse was inacessable to anybody but the fit (and the zillion steps were no picnic for us either).
Before anybody pipes up about how much it will cost, that is exactly the point. The beurocrats need to see the cost and trouble of these impositions before dumping them on us.
Not only is it co-orbital but it periodically gets trapped in earth's gravitational field to become a second moon:
Okay, I am no astronomer, nor English major, BUT I am confused all the same.
How can it be "periodically trapped"? Is it like the object orbits Earth a few times and then skips back off through the cosmos?
What about that business of every bit of matter in the universe exerting gravitational force on every other bit all the time? Is this object magically shielded from earth sometimes, except for when it is "periodically captured" by Earth?
Am I confusing periodic capture astronomy in the same way I confuse regular physics with quantum physics?
No, I am not trying to be a wise ass, these terms do not make sense the way they were preseted to me.
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Theoretically, yes, but not sure how practical it would be, since the tranciever has only one external antenna input. I suppose you could use a splitter and diode setup of some sort (really guessing here) to have 2 antennas with one only transmitting and the other only receiving.
Does not look like what they did, they are using 40" mesh antennas, there is a link direct to the project site in another thread.
Had seen a chart elsewhere (was really wanting to link to that) that showed the max somewhere around the 18 dBi you mention. Sorry fro tagging up the wrong language from the reg.
Back to the real point, 1 Watt bi-directional amp + "high-gain" directional does not take much to get into violation territory. Since they left out the gain of the antenna all we can do is guess, but 2' parabolics should get you into max gain without the amp.
Unless... [just dawning on me] the amps are only for receiving, i.e., NOT bi-directional! Now THAT would work without violation, just like some of the fancer wardriving rigs. It increases all the noise but the signal is still there to pick the digital bits out of.
FCC Part 15.247 might be what you are looking for. I posted a link to it and a question a little farther down.
(b) The maximum peak output power of the transmitter shall not exceed 1 Watt. If transmitting antennas of directional gain greater than 6 dBi are used, the power shall be reduced by the amount in dB that the directional gain of the antenna exceeds 6 dBi.
I am just guessing at what they mean in the article by "high-gain". They say they are using a 1 watt bi-directional amp. My personal definition of high gain is a lot higher than 6dBi.
Am I misinterpreting this?
Too late for the Richard M. Nixon comeback! If only this technology existed in 1972...
This debate is very misunderstood. This is not a federal law forcing libraries to restrict porn web content. It simply denies federal funding to libraries who are content with letting children browse porn using monies given to libraries for computer upgrades from federal tax dollars. This just requires that if these libraries want the computer money, they have to place safeguards.
Yes, I have heard that before and disagree that the "fences" that the feds can put on money should be unlimited.
I might be in agreement with you, though not sure if this is your opinion, that if they don't want the "strings" they should not take the money to start with.
Judging by your opinons i'd say you dont have children.
;-)
I can not speak for him, but I share his opinion and have raised a quite sucessful child. He heven spells better than me
As a responsible parent, I gave him rules, even for the web, monitored his activity and disciplined him accordingly. Taking my parenting responsibilities seriously, I wanted to keep the "village" out of my decisions for his upbringing as much as possible.
In my opinion, the people that need a "nanny state" are the ones that raise little vandal brats, then run back to the government asking for even more nannying to obfuscate their own lack of attentiveness, shirking even more of their own responsibility.
you know what? schools and libraries dont carry "Jugs" magazine, so why should they allow porno to be displayed on the machines?
No federal law is preventing them from carrying any magazine they like.
This federal law is mandating they restrict content from the web wheather they like it or not.
There is a serious difference between the two.
It starts small, theivery by sneeking popcorn and cokes from "the street" into the theater, then it just gets worse...
reading the script in the library or bookstore years before release...
stealing the whole movie before it appears magically on the silver screen! it is too much! we are a lawless society!
Yes, you are correct, I had my brain on backwards when I posted. Sorry.
In some countries (US, UK), you can't be tried for the same crime twice. Full stop.
Don't confuse that with multiple charges brought from the same act.
The more proper term is that in the US and UK you can not be tried for the same *offence* twice. It does not preclude the state from bringing charges of burglary later after they failed to convict you on a murder or discharging a firearm or assault charge in a bank, all stemming from the same bank robbery.
Actually, it means the opposite. *With prejudice* means they are free to take it back up again.
Also, if a judge dismisses a case against you "without prejudice*, the state can not bring the charges back against you for the same act even if they find other evidence/circumstances/etc.
Pass a law as a solution? Well, it helps but it does not solve the problem. The tel-mktrs will call from other areas, etc, etc, etc. Approaches like this share a lot with approaches at "outlawing" porn of any form. As long as there is a market, someone will be filling the market.
;-) Does not kill the sequential dialers, but it does get rid of others.
However, Plenty of technical means are available to thwart this annoying form of marketing, like playing sit.wav (the way telezapper works) over the line on incoming calls, not answering anonymous callers, etc.
Right now, I am in a unique situation since I switched landline service from Verizon to Comcast. Comcast does not have a record of my being their customer (no fault of my own, I filled out a mountain of paperwork, signed, faxed, etc.) so my VM on them does not work. Neither does their billing system for my number
Will have a dedicated computer answering machine on that line soon, with sit.wav followed by random selections of "Deposit change now", "You do not need to dial 1", etc. before the beep to leave a message.
Others might try the simple message: "Hello... Hello?... HELLO?... I can't hear you, what was that?... Hello?... Hey, I'm not in, leave a message!" as done by Tom Hanks in the movie "Nothing in Common". It wastes the telemarketer's time and gives everybody else a chuckle.
Otherwise, everybody that needs to contact me has my GSM number, it has VM and all is well with my communications world!
Ooops, make that kryptonite. Another of my famous spelling errors.
Actually, Batman was GIVEN Cryptonite by Superman, just in case Superman went nuts and had to be subdued.
Thus, Batman would win hands down.
The point was, if the sales tax were lower revenue would flow into the State rather than out of it.
BTW, I am an "expatriot" Tennesseean. Tennessee may not get much in the way of fuel taxes from me, but they sure as heck get the revenue from my vehicle regestration and driver's license renewal. That is one area where Tennessee makes a few extra bucks, people in high vehicle tax areas register in TN if possibel and TN gets the revenue.
Also, I always love seeing the annual "income tax riot" in Nashville whenever those dopes try to impose one.
Yes, the citizens of TN have a lower total tax burden than many, but it could be even lower with the help of the surrounding neighbors.
Oooooops! Typo, my bad, thank you.
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My word, when will these overbearing government goofballs learn that having LOW taxes while surrounded by HIGH tax areas drives business AND revenues up for the low tax area?
Also, don't think that if there is no visible sales tax that you are buying anything tax free. The politicians conveniently forget all of the inventory, property, business income and other tax streams that they are already getting BEFORE they jack up/create a sales tax.
A perfect example of that was Washington, DC. They exempted "not for profit" organizations and had the highest sales tax in the area. This only resulted in the few businesses that were paying taxes to loose business to Maryland and Virginia.
Tennessee is now on their way to driving every bit of retail business near it's borders into the surrounding States with their 9.5% (or is it 10%?) sales tax. That is on top of their invintory taxes, "licensing" taxes, etc.
Solution? A small group of States make it inviting for internet business to locate their warehousing, data centers, etc. there and reap the benefits of elevated employment and higher volume of money due to a lower % of taxation.
As far as "crossing police lines" goes, there was a perfect example during some recent protests in DC.
The licensed protestors (I have a problem with freedom to demonstrate licenses, but they were licensed) were told to disperse. Then all avenues to disperse were blocked and they were all hurded into a park and arrested. Including campus reporters. To cap off the deal, if they waived court and pleaded immediately they could go free. If they wished to discuss it with a lawyer or contest the arrest, they were heald until monday (after the demonstrations would be over). Campus reporters, dorm residents (one hurding area was right in front of a lawschool dorm), pretty much everybody except for "commercial news" reporters.
Oh, btw, this was not some "Evil Right Wing Bush Thing", it was the LEFT WING D.C. government in all of it's glory.
There was an interesting writeup about the situation by a Washington Post cloumnist (too lazy to look it up).
Anyway, this was so recent that it may have not made this study, but it was still wrong to do just the same.
People who use glass computers should not throw flames ;-)
Federal law already requires websites of government agencies and organizations to comply with an accessibility standard. That standard has become the guidline for many private/commercial websites.
;-)
WOW! That was fast and I did not remember telling anybody "important" either
The web, and the world for that matter, should not be designed around the lowest common denominator.
;-)
I am in complete agreement with your view.
Also, I would like to see every one of these "imposing" initiatives be imposed on government FIRST. Let the makers of the laws deal with the consiquences and iron out the problems, in the process creating a market that may (or may not) spread through the rest of the economy/society.
Examples: electric/hybred cars - if the entire GSA fleet was composed of these cute little beasts there would be a LARGE base of parts supply, infrastructure, etc. for the "civilian" folks that want to buy them. Don't believe it? Look at the HMMWV, Jeep, etc;
solar/alternative power initiatives - let the government try running a building on methane and windmills before forcing "Joe waiter" to have to pay for the ramp up;
the web example at hand - mandate EVERY government website at every level for every purpose be accessable to everybody no matter what the disability. as the standard evolves others can use it as they please for added accessability to their websites.
Just 2 examples that I like without taking 3 hours to make the post
The genisis of this outlook came when I saw a local government badger, fine and harass small businesses all the while their own courthouse was inacessable to anybody but the fit (and the zillion steps were no picnic for us either).
Before anybody pipes up about how much it will cost, that is exactly the point. The beurocrats need to see the cost and trouble of these impositions before dumping them on us.
Yep, that is true too.
BTW, there is a typo in my other pist, should read "In military aviation"
The contractors are sooooo screwed!
Not only is it co-orbital but it periodically gets trapped in earth's gravitational field to become a second moon:
Okay, I am no astronomer, nor English major, BUT I am confused all the same.
How can it be "periodically trapped"? Is it like the object orbits Earth a few times and then skips back off through the cosmos?
What about that business of every bit of matter in the universe exerting gravitational force on every other bit all the time? Is this object magically shielded from earth sometimes, except for when it is "periodically captured" by Earth?
Am I confusing periodic capture astronomy in the same way I confuse regular physics with quantum physics?
No, I am not trying to be a wise ass, these terms do not make sense the way they were preseted to me.