M$'s influence is negligible on all but the tiniest (1-4 way 32-bit) servers. So, on larger servers, you're talking about real OSes and huge applications for which 64-bit versions already exist (have for the best part of 10 years). To port to a new 64-bit arch. with modern compilers and libs, it's not much more difficult than a recompile. So itanic may make some inroads into the server space, but only amongst those who buy into the intel brand name and the hype.
Indeed it should. The cool thing about Slack is that it doesn't follow any of the hype, it just concentrates on being a simple, secure, fast, flexible, useful and admin/geek-friendly OS, which is a lot more UNIX-like than the more "shiny" distros. I've been using it since 1995 (1.2.x kernel days) and never looked back. I did try RedHat once when it was the Next Big Thing but Slack won out for me:-)
Since when was the debian packaging system based on RPM? It may be similar to RPM, but it isn't RPM. And as for De Facto standards, one only has to look at IBM and Microsoft and the state the computer industry is in today. Fair competition is the Best Way(TM) to keep the market in check. We wouldn't want Red Hat to become the M$ of the Linux and UNIX world, now,would we?
CDE? I don't know about you, but on my E4500 I don't run X. I use windowmaker on my Ultra60. I've seen GNOME run OK on an Ultra 5. Just to clear up a few points for the uninitiated: Solaris 8 (and 9) come with a GNOME CD in the media kit, and they also come with the Companion CD which has many Free and Open Source packages on it, including Afterstep, KDE, WindowMaker, GCC, pine, GIMP etc.
Now that Linux has been ported to run on high-end machines under virtualization, when will we see a kernel tuned for (e.g.) scalability to 64-128 processors natively?
Would it be worth the price for a suicide mission now, instead of maybe waiting 30-40 years when it wouldn't have to be a suicide mission? That isn't really such a long time. We haven't had proper scientific reasoning for more than a few hundred years. Mathematics only really took off in Newton's time, Physics in the 1700's and the Industrial Revolution was, what, 250 years ago? Slow down cowboy! I'd love to go to Mars, but I'd like to come back to, or at least have the option to travel frequently, cheaply and safely from Earth to Mars and back, in the same way that people can travel aroung the globe on a 747.
How on earth do you expect a pot-smoking farmer to be able to support himself let alone anyone else? After all, it was a pot-smoking lead guitarist that put an end to my band. 10 minutes into band practice : "just a minute while I skin up" *puff* *puff* *puff* "Oh, stuff it, I can't be arsed any more, let's go and listen to Pink Floyd."
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Yes, that's one of the reasons I am writing a cross-platform performance library in assembler: libsimd.sourceforge.net
I agree. We should always be trying to improve. Don't forget that gcc is not a commercial product. It is Free Software. It's quite remarkable that it's as good as it is. It is unsurpassed for portability and generates reasonably good code on the most common platforms. Remember that it's not an x86-only compilier. If it were I'm sure its optimisations on that platform would be much better, and they could concentrate on specific optimisations for all the x86 variants, which differ markedly in thier capabilities.
I understand what you're getting at. Things are going full circle. 20 years ago big businesses had their own in-house developers, support staff etc. and had to make disparate systems work together. Along came M$ marketroids and FUD merchants 10 years ago and said "use our stuff, it's all you'll ever need, point and drool admin etc." and look at the mess people are in now:-) So, what's happening is something of a return to the early-mid eighties when companies employed their own skilled IT staff.
You assume that all engineers are familiar with the workings of Apache and Linux. There's always a "learning curve" associated with going to work on something new. I'm sure the best people to do the work are actually the Apache and Linux developers, but who says they're available to go and work for your company? I'm not dissing Linux, Free and Open Source Software, just pointing out a flaw in your argument.
What about Geek Girls? Would a Geek Girl's best friend be a diamond-carbon-nanotube or a degraded diamond from which nanotubes could be made? What about a geek woman? Do they like more mature things, of a less materialistic nature?
The poster recommends using a 6502. Consider using a Z80 as well. They have their own RAM refresh generator and some internal 16-bit features (e.g. registers pair to become 16-bit BC, DE, HL (16-bit accumulator)) and have a nice instruction set with loops, block moves, block compares, a separate I/O bus and an alternate register set (useful for holding system context), and two 16-bit index registers. The interrupt modes are pretty good too. There are plenty software emulators about that you try out your code on.
Don't know, but in what way do you mean? Holding two separate 8-bit variables in the AX register? GCC doesn't "do" 16-bit registers, rather, there is an EAX. I doubt it since this is a form of vectorisation, and GCC does not do vectorisation. What code are you trying to compile? Perhaps I can optimise it for you?
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When your heater is busted? A beowulf of these things would make a good oven for a pizzeria.
M$'s influence is negligible on all but the tiniest (1-4 way 32-bit) servers. So, on larger servers, you're talking about real OSes and huge applications for which 64-bit versions already exist (have for the best part of 10 years). To port to a new 64-bit arch. with modern compilers and libs, it's not much more difficult than a recompile. So itanic may make some inroads into the server space, but only amongst those who buy into the intel brand name and the hype.
What, like UltraSPARC III at 1050MHz with 8 megs of cache?
Isn't it strange how they always compare their processors to competitors' processors of a lower frequency?
Indeed it should. The cool thing about Slack is that it doesn't follow any of the hype, it just concentrates on being a simple, secure, fast, flexible, useful and admin/geek-friendly OS, which is a lot more UNIX-like than the more "shiny" distros. I've been using it since 1995 (1.2.x kernel days) and never looked back. I did try RedHat once when it was the Next Big Thing but Slack won out for me :-)
Since when was the debian packaging system based on RPM? It may be similar to RPM, but it isn't RPM.
And as for De Facto standards, one only has to look at IBM and Microsoft and the state the computer industry is in today. Fair competition is the Best Way(TM) to keep the market in check. We wouldn't want Red Hat to become the M$ of the Linux and UNIX world, now,would we?
What, like the z series?
CDE? I don't know about you, but on my E4500 I don't run X. I use windowmaker on my Ultra60. I've seen GNOME run OK on an Ultra 5.
Just to clear up a few points for the uninitiated:
Solaris 8 (and 9) come with a GNOME CD in the media kit, and they also come with the Companion CD which has many Free and Open Source packages on it, including Afterstep, KDE, WindowMaker, GCC, pine, GIMP etc.
Now that Linux has been ported to run on high-end machines under virtualization, when will we see a kernel tuned for (e.g.) scalability to 64-128 processors natively?
Would it be worth the price for a suicide mission now, instead of maybe waiting 30-40 years when it wouldn't have to be a suicide mission?
That isn't really such a long time. We haven't had proper scientific reasoning for more than a few hundred years. Mathematics only really took off in Newton's time, Physics in the 1700's and the Industrial Revolution was, what, 250 years ago?
Slow down cowboy! I'd love to go to Mars, but I'd like to come back to, or at least have the option to travel frequently, cheaply and safely from Earth to Mars and back, in the same way that people can travel aroung the globe on a 747.
You're right. They bought it from someone, just like they bought Autoroute.
How on earth do you expect a pot-smoking farmer to be able to support himself let alone anyone else?
After all, it was a pot-smoking lead guitarist that put an end to my band. 10 minutes into band practice : "just a minute while I skin up"
*puff* *puff* *puff*
"Oh, stuff it, I can't be arsed any more, let's go and listen to Pink Floyd."
Yes, that's one of the reasons I am writing a cross-platform performance library in assembler:
libsimd.sourceforge.net
I agree. We should always be trying to improve. Don't forget that gcc is not a commercial product. It is Free Software. It's quite remarkable that it's as good as it is. It is unsurpassed for portability and generates reasonably good code on the most common platforms. Remember that it's not an x86-only compilier. If it were I'm sure its optimisations on that platform would be much better, and they could concentrate on specific optimisations for all the x86 variants, which differ markedly in thier capabilities.
I understand what you're getting at. :-)
Things are going full circle. 20 years ago big businesses had their own in-house developers, support staff etc. and had to make disparate systems work together. Along came M$ marketroids and FUD merchants 10 years ago and said "use our stuff, it's all you'll ever need, point and drool admin etc." and look at the mess people are in now
So, what's happening is something of a return to the early-mid eighties when companies employed their own skilled IT staff.
You assume that all engineers are familiar with the workings of Apache and Linux. There's always a "learning curve" associated with going to work on something new. I'm sure the best people to do the work are actually the Apache and Linux developers, but who says they're available to go and work for your company? I'm not dissing Linux, Free and Open Source Software, just pointing out a flaw in your argument.
No Xtra Xtra Large, aka Longhorn.
OK then, we'll all start using WriteLn;
I prefer windowmaker myself
So, people "free to innovate" (GNU, Linux, OSS etc. hackers) in a "free market" (USA) have started to win. Interesting.
Lets see you laugh when it's you going bald.
*sob*
Looks like it was a mistake in the reporting.
Here's it cleared up:
China denies manned Moon mission plans
Ha ha. Side-splittingly funny.
Since he has ceased to be, how can he believe anything?
What about Geek Girls?
Would a Geek Girl's best friend be a diamond-carbon-nanotube or a degraded diamond from which nanotubes could be made?
What about a geek woman? Do they like more mature things, of a less materialistic nature?
The poster recommends using a 6502. Consider using a Z80 as well. They have their own RAM refresh generator and some internal 16-bit features (e.g. registers pair to become 16-bit BC, DE, HL (16-bit accumulator)) and have a nice instruction set with loops, block moves, block compares, a separate I/O bus and an alternate register set (useful for holding system context), and two 16-bit index registers. The interrupt modes are pretty good too. There are plenty software emulators about that you try out your code on.
Don't know, but in what way do you mean? Holding two separate 8-bit variables in the AX register?
GCC doesn't "do" 16-bit registers, rather, there is an EAX.
I doubt it since this is a form of vectorisation, and GCC does not do vectorisation.
What code are you trying to compile?
Perhaps I can optimise it for you?