While there is a correlation to be made of Opera and Fire/zilla both being "alternative" browsers, I'm not exactly sure the headline here is applicable. Opera can experience a Q3 loss while opera usage grows, Firefox really isn't applicable to the story.
On one level, Opera and Fire/zilla are primarily taking users from IE... but Opera has key markets outside that of the desktop browser.
I actually prefer Opera over Firefox and IE, but that's really a different topic. If you haven't tried it lately, give it a shot.
"I would argue that if consumers knew what features they wanted, that would be true"
While I believe this statement to be true on many levels, doesn't Microsoft often get derided on the assumption that *THEY* tell *US* what *WE* want?
I've been an Opera user (98% anyway -- grrr gmail) for over 3 years, and while I advocate it when I can I've always felt that Opera really does listen to what users what.
Ideally, the proof will be in the numbers. Though I fear that people might move away from IE for any number of reasons, 'features' being only a subset. Maybe we will never know if my Dad really wanted tabbed browsing or drive-by spyware.
"... but again, no mention of the browser supporting JavaScript."
Actually, it does mention it supporting Javascript -- it's in the FAQ under "Browsing":
"1. What kind of browser is provided with the Nokia 7710 smartphone?
The browser in the Nokia 7710 smartphone supports HTML 4.01, XHTML, security (SSL 3.0/TLS 1.0), ECMAScript/JavaScript, CSS1 (cascading style sheet), CSS2 audio and video support, Macromedia Flash 6 plug-in, SVG-tiny (Scalable vector graphic) as well as click-to-browse, context-sensitive commands and fit-to-screen. Webpages can also be saved to a local folder (without images)."
It doesn't specifically name the browser, but I'm guessing it's Opera. Which is always very cool.
Technically, an election isn't over until the electoral college meets on December 13, 2004 (the Monday after the second Wednesday in December). At which point the electors are not bound to the results of their state as to who to cast their vote towards. Even if Bush won 100% of the popular vote, and Kerry conceeded 1 minute after the first precinct closed, Kerry could still be elected president. Or Nader for that matter.
I cannot stress enough how important this election is to the safety and sanctity of our great nation. I *URGE* you to get out and vote this Wednesday, November 3rd. If not for your own wallet, think of your childrens' wallets!
I wasn't correcting the article. I was correcting the headline:
"Outselling the Xbox is easy though. They sold less than 200 in Japan last month."
The link I posted showed the previous month to be well above 200 units. And it was the correct link. It's an easy mistake to make, but please be more cautious in the future in telling people to be more cautious in the future.
Also (and perhaps ironically?) your link was malformed with an extra space between 82 72... Again, please be more cautious in the future.
Personally, I haven't bought a Zaurus in the U.S. because I've been waiting for the good ones to come here.
I had the opportunity to use the clam shell design while I was in Japan and found it a lot more capable and versatile than the goofy "tack a keyboard on the bottom of your PDA" models we get here in the states.
"Nobody ever saves for a $250,000 McMansion in Japan because there's no place to build it."
While this is incorrect -- because Japan has a *lot* of farm land -- it is also false because prime real estate can be so obnoxious in Japan that you don't save for your own place but rather you begin saving for your grandkids' place. Ultimately, they are the ones who might pay off your mortgage.
Huh? That's like saying "First Linux was cool and independant. Now with standards, good applications, easy installation and... corporate backing? Is that a next-generation Microsoft empire?
What's wrong with a Google operating system, anyway? Google has gained momentum making useful products that people are choosing to use. Where is this rule that once you become big, you have to become evil?
I can imagine being able to dump data from your camera to your ipod via firewire on the fly. While compact flash and SD cards are coming down in price, it would still be a whole lot cheaper to have a 60GB storage device ($400?) that would double as a viewer -- saving your camera battery.
Microsoft (and many other companies) need users to do a lot of beta testing for these types of upgrades. There's just too many unknowns out in the wild.
Many people (companies) adopt a wait-and-see approach to big service packs and patches.
The people most likely to try out the SPs are those who don't really care if Windows still boots after the procedure. That is to say, those who don't use Windows as their primary OS.
So, in the end, it's the linux users who will beta test and get SP2 out the door.
(p.s -- typing this drivel was vetter than working the last 5 minutes of a Friday).
I've been using Yahoo! since the 6MB days. When I got my gmail invite, I approached it with an open mind. It reeled me in hook, line and sinker.
1) It's a clean interface. For the last 2 years I've been using Opera with Yahoo Mail just to apply a custom style sheet so I didn't have to see the horrid ads they put everywhere. Some were nearing seizure inducing. Oh? Yahoo mail cleaned their interface up you tell me? Yes... in response to gmail. That doesn't excuse the fact that without gmail, they thought it was OK to plaster my mail with ads.
2) Yahoo still has a tagline at the end of every mail. Will gmail? I don't know. But this is about how i still hate yahoo.
3) It's slow. It's always been slow. you have to reload the whole page to check for new mail. (no, I'm not going to run their messanger to check my mail, thanks). gmail has a nice 2-minute pooling feature.
4) Why is it so slow? They got rid of the graphical ads. I really thought that was most of the slow.
5) Slow. Will gmail be slow after beta? I don't know. But this is about how i still hate yahoo.
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While this is cool, it isn't any more "web" than doing opengl in C++.
but I have problems with Java and Linux. I think others do too. I think things like this should be qualified with "could run on linux" as opposed to "so it runs on linux". But maybe that's just to raise my self-esteem.
1) While I'm no fan of browser-specific treatment (it's what keeps things like NS4 alive) and I'm no fan of MSN, I would hate to live in a world where I am liable if I screw up trying to support a browser. How does one determine if MSN just didn't test Opera 7 properly, or if they maliciously targeted it? Do you really want to set a precedent here?
2) I've been an Opera fan for several years and I'll admit the default interface of Opera 7 is atrocious. The first thing anyone should do is go get a custom skin you like, or use the windows_skin. Then turn off the majority of the toolbars. Once you get mouse gestures down, you don't need any toolbars at all. Normally my Opera windows consist of an address bar and 5 to 30 tabs.
3) Opera shouldn't open source their browser. Why would they? Not Everything Needs To Be Open Source (tm). Opera's foundation of qt is probably the best showcase for using open source for your closed sourced products. Asking Opera to open their source simply exemplifies the FUD that open source is viral.
I'm guessing many people (including myself) didn't know it exsited. As viable as a Linux payware should be, it doesn't exactly get a lot of/. headlines, does it?
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"Opera Facing Losses While Firefox Usage Grows"
... but Opera has key markets outside that of the desktop browser.
While there is a correlation to be made of Opera and Fire/zilla both being "alternative" browsers, I'm not exactly sure the headline here is applicable. Opera can experience a Q3 loss while opera usage grows, Firefox really isn't applicable to the story.
On one level, Opera and Fire/zilla are primarily taking users from IE
I actually prefer Opera over Firefox and IE, but that's really a different topic. If you haven't tried it lately, give it a shot.
"I would argue that if consumers knew what features they wanted, that would be true"
While I believe this statement to be true on many levels, doesn't Microsoft often get derided on the assumption that *THEY* tell *US* what *WE* want?
I've been an Opera user (98% anyway -- grrr gmail) for over 3 years, and while I advocate it when I can I've always felt that Opera really does listen to what users what.
Ideally, the proof will be in the numbers. Though I fear that people might move away from IE for any number of reasons, 'features' being only a subset. Maybe we will never know if my Dad really wanted tabbed browsing or drive-by spyware.
Technically, an election isn't over until the electoral college meets on December 13, 2004 (the Monday after the second Wednesday in December). At which point the electors are not bound to the results of their state as to who to cast their vote towards. Even if Bush won 100% of the popular vote, and Kerry conceeded 1 minute after the first precinct closed, Kerry could still be elected president. Or Nader for that matter.
I cannot stress enough how important this election is to the safety and sanctity of our great nation. I *URGE* you to get out and vote this Wednesday, November 3rd. If not for your own wallet, think of your childrens' wallets!
I wasn't correcting the article. I was correcting the headline:
... Again, please be more cautious in the future.
"Outselling the Xbox is easy though. They sold less than 200 in Japan last month."
The link I posted showed the previous month to be well above 200 units. And it was the correct link. It's an easy mistake to make, but please be more cautious in the future in telling people to be more cautious in the future.
Also (and perhaps ironically?) your link was malformed with an extra space between 82 72
Thanks.
According to http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=82 72&page=10 Xbox sales were somewhat higher. But it's the WWW -- don't believe half of what you read, and none of what you read.
Personally, I haven't bought a Zaurus in the U.S. because I've been waiting for the good ones to come here.
I had the opportunity to use the clam shell design while I was in Japan and found it a lot more capable and versatile than the goofy "tack a keyboard on the bottom of your PDA" models we get here in the states.
"Nobody ever saves for a $250,000 McMansion in Japan because there's no place to build it."
While this is incorrect -- because Japan has a *lot* of farm land -- it is also false because prime real estate can be so obnoxious in Japan that you don't save for your own place but rather you begin saving for your grandkids' place. Ultimately, they are the ones who might pay off your mortgage.
Huh? That's like saying "First Linux was cool and independant. Now with standards, good applications, easy installation and ... corporate backing? Is that a next-generation Microsoft empire?
What's wrong with a Google operating system, anyway? Google has gained momentum making useful products that people are choosing to use. Where is this rule that once you become big, you have to become evil?
I can imagine being able to dump data from your camera to your ipod via firewire on the fly. While compact flash and SD cards are coming down in price, it would still be a whole lot cheaper to have a 60GB storage device ($400?) that would double as a viewer -- saving your camera battery.
Wow. We need an adjective for someone who doesn't bother to RTFA before stating the quality of the article.
I'm going to go with "GAMBLOR". As it signifies the 50/50 chance you'll get modified up by other people who don't bother to RTFA.
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"A: Yeah, it really blows. Because we still have business morals, where eBay don't have much."
Q: Why does eBay lack morals? Is this simply a matter of size == tyranny?
Microsoft (and many other companies) need users to do a lot of beta testing for these types of upgrades. There's just too many unknowns out in the wild.
Many people (companies) adopt a wait-and-see approach to big service packs and patches.
The people most likely to try out the SPs are those who don't really care if Windows still boots after the procedure. That is to say, those who don't use Windows as their primary OS.
So, in the end, it's the linux users who will beta test and get SP2 out the door.
(p.s -- typing this drivel was vetter than working the last 5 minutes of a Friday).
Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.
I've been using Yahoo! since the 6MB days. When I got my gmail invite, I approached it with an open mind. It reeled me in hook, line and sinker.
1) It's a clean interface. For the last 2 years I've been using Opera with Yahoo Mail just to apply a custom style sheet so I didn't have to see the horrid ads they put everywhere. Some were nearing seizure inducing. Oh? Yahoo mail cleaned their interface up you tell me? Yes... in response to gmail. That doesn't excuse the fact that without gmail, they thought it was OK to plaster my mail with ads.
2) Yahoo still has a tagline at the end of every mail. Will gmail? I don't know. But this is about how i still hate yahoo.
3) It's slow. It's always been slow. you have to reload the whole page to check for new mail. (no, I'm not going to run their messanger to check my mail, thanks). gmail has a nice 2-minute pooling feature.
4) Why is it so slow? They got rid of the graphical ads. I really thought that was most of the slow.
5) Slow. Will gmail be slow after beta? I don't know. But this is about how i still hate yahoo.
While this is cool, it isn't any more "web" than doing opengl in C++.
but I have problems with Java and Linux. I think others do too. I think things like this should be qualified with "could run on linux" as opposed to "so it runs on linux". But maybe that's just to raise my self-esteem.
Embedded *free* browser of choice maybe. Opera still has a rather large development advantage on small screen devices.
1) While I'm no fan of browser-specific treatment (it's what keeps things like NS4 alive) and I'm no fan of MSN, I would hate to live in a world where I am liable if I screw up trying to support a browser. How does one determine if MSN just didn't test Opera 7 properly, or if they maliciously targeted it? Do you really want to set a precedent here?
2) I've been an Opera fan for several years and I'll admit the default interface of Opera 7 is atrocious. The first thing anyone should do is go get a custom skin you like, or use the windows_skin. Then turn off the majority of the toolbars. Once you get mouse gestures down, you don't need any toolbars at all. Normally my Opera windows consist of an address bar and 5 to 30 tabs.
3) Opera shouldn't open source their browser. Why would they? Not Everything Needs To Be Open Source (tm). Opera's foundation of qt is probably the best showcase for using open source for your closed sourced products. Asking Opera to open their source simply exemplifies the FUD that open source is viral.
Isn't that what they just said? Is it really different to say "Linus is 10x" as opposed to saying "Linus is a whole lot more" productive?
I'm guessing many people (including myself) didn't know it exsited. As viable as a Linux payware should be, it doesn't exactly get a lot of /. headlines, does it?
Now all they need is a good database primer.
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