Yeah, a couple countires, to my limited knowledge, do fines like that. I think in Iceland, speeding tickets are a percentage of your past year's income(although you can argue it if it's gone down dramatically). That way, it's not reserved for the rich, it's a nice chunk no matter what you're income is, and it hits you the same.
Unlike in the US, Maximum $200 possible fine for speeding thru this area signs, blah blah blah, for some, whatever. We don't have points in Texas, unless it's been put in recently. So no loss of privileges, $200 can be a lot to some people, or could be as worthless as pennies to others(or, at least, not much).
Makes sense of course, although no system is ever perfect.
I don't think it's "cell users drive as bad as drunk drivers" so much as it is the quality of driving is going downhill, with or without cell phones.
In the simulation: Did cars randomly turn left from the right hand lane, and vice versa? Did cars randomly stop at green lights, moving no further, until it completely went red? Did the volunteers drive on one way streets? Were there cars coming at them from the other direction, going the wrong way on the one way street? Were there cars driving in two lanes, for no discernable reason?
If not, the simulation was flawed. Now, the people who get my respect are the ones who figure out why those above questions happen for people who are not on their cell phones nor drunk, will be a truly great person.
The best point is, "all the work" is reduced vs. many other languages. Nothing is a fit-all, but if you want simple UI layouts, a simple client/server app(network connectivity already done), plugin capability + management, i18n, then yeah, about 90% of that work is already finished.
But it doesn't work for everything, but it works for a lot more than you would think. I've only done app dev, not really any firefox plugins with it though. And I've barely touched XPCOM, haven't had to(yet).
Slow? Man, you gotta upgrade! Get a real processor, we run just fine, loading up about 6k XML objects(fully parsed into Objs) is only a second on broadband.
Oh, yeah, and because I haven't got around to make an exception for the XML, our XML docs come over as JSON encoded, which is then parsed into a javascript string, which is then parsed into an XML object. =(..
We don't use any XPCOM on our app yet, haven't had the need. Simple client/server but you gotta have those stats. And in XML for external export.
It reuses existing technologies instead of re-creating new ones. Javascript is very quick, depending on what you're doing. We're loading about 8k XML Object's in Javascript and it's only as slow as your bandwidth.
It uses CSS for style(look&feel), so your web guy can do it, or you can if you're familiar with it.
It has translation support built in if you wish to use it, nothing requires you to use it but using it is automatic, nothing to enable, no 3rd party libraries to include.
XUL itself(the XML UI files) are short, terse, and very easy to keep organized if you keep it split up with overlays(instead of a single file, which all languages have problems with).
It has a plugin interface built in. It's quick and easy to do a UI with it, if you know Javascript you're off pretty quickly, if you don't it's easy to pick up(until you get to the harder stuff). JavaScript is a real language, with Objects, Inheritance, Closures, a Garbage Collector, etc...
Hell, it runs Firefox and Thunderbird. AIM Triton is the same idea, different implementation(Boxely).
Making drastic changes to the UI is 10 minutes if you're just moving stuff around, sometimes less, rarely more. You can add themes to your app(Custom Branding for Clients? Not a problem, it's already built in). Again, translation is very little extra work. Client/Server is incredibly simple because of both JSON and E4X. We've got our app with a PHP backend and connecting them together is the simplest thing to do. Don't have to load up any extra libraries because you're dealing with XML, or any extra because you've got to work with XML-RPC.
JavaScript dev is much faster than C++ dev. If you need C++ dev, then you're at the wrong toolkit, although you can always XPCOM it.
I think you're questioning it as the end-all-be-all which it is not. It has it's problems, no comments in the xml code, although it's very straightforward and needing it is questionable. JavaScript and CSS comments are all there. Network connectivity is already finished for you. But it has it's problems, it's not the end all be all, but dev time is very quick, although it does have that lag when you're booting up a java app, but only 1/4 the time.
I see, but the XML files in XUL declare the UI, there's not much to declare about the application itself(especially in XulRunner). If you need to change the UI, you change the XML. If you need to change how something works, you change either the javascript or the XPCOM(if you're using it). If you need to change the look&feel of the app, pass the CSS back to the web guy, or make the changes yourself. There's little to keep in sync, unless you're making a visible change to the UI.
I'll take standard definition if I can have my TV Seasons on a single DVD instead of 4 or more!
Slashdotters always complain about having to put in a video game cd just to play, well, I complain about having to put in another dvd just to watch another episode from the same season.
Bender: "Yo old guy, why do we have to use those tiny micro droids? Can't you just shrink us?" Professor: "Oh my no, that would require extremely tiny atoms, have your priced those lately? I'm not made of money, leave me alone!"
Agreed! I don't care what your blog says. Oh a new release? Of what?! 4.8? WTF does it do?
This has been a huge problem of OSS stuff recently.
mangoserver.com: What we are: Mango Server is a code patch for a SQL injection and a strategic alliance instead of an aquisition for these SQL injections. Come! Download out SQL injections to bring your code to enterprise level!
both php and drupal have big news stuff, but they say what they are. On the left for php, on the top for drupal. Even gaim's webpage has a one liner.
All openwengo is is a summer of code type thing that works as a firefox extension, nothing more, apparently.
I hate when you can't find out what the hell something is, and worse is when it's about six clicks before a download link shows up(sf.net always adds at least one, so make it on the front page so it's only two or three!).
Agreed. Learning rails was the best thing I could have every done for my PHP skills. I think my current tools are out of shape, and looks for better equivalents, and find them.
I know wish Asterisk it should be possible to set up a database centric version of a whitelist, and only allow those calls in. All others are given infinite rings, or route-to-ex.
Maybe the time is now to start this. If they have your #, they should have your email, IM, and there should be a web address with a captcha that gives 24 hour access or something? Maybe that's what it should do instead of infinite ring, "To access my phone, please go to www.whatever.com and type in the number you are trying to dial, and follow the instructions. Thank You."
Agreed. I use it to track my protein to calrorie ratio(How much protein I've eaten, how much calories I have left to consume for the day, what is the minimum ratio I need to be eating for the rest of the day, etc... to achive my target goal).
Excel is really overkill, I don't need to spend money on Office for that. OO is overkill, wait, wait, wait, wait, ok, it's up.
CSS is more than just web. It's XUL, it's XAML, and it's Boxeley(For all those AOL nerds out there). It's also in several smaller toolkits, and it's starting to pop up kinda everywhere. It's a good thing.
Exactly why I was never able to finish it. I can't decide, which is the worst FF I've ever played, 7 with Cloud, or 10 with Football. I think FF1(US) was the best. Plain, simple, and didn't force you into BS. Oblivion is good, very sandbox though, but enjoyable. You can stop the main storyline and go have fun. In FF7 you have to continue, or go fight, there's little else to do.
And what is the japanese obsession with Fishing and pointless mini games? Is it only brilliant US developers who thought up the idea of many many side-quests and mini-quests, instead of a completely different(ridiculously) boring game within the game? Oh yeah, FF7 had the arcade, at least that was a couple things, but really bad still.
Mind you, all the FF games have a high standing on my list. The new dragonquest that came out was so silly, that I could see no storyline. They say oblivion has a weak main storyline, well, play dragon quest, it's so silly you'll never notice a storyline. =)
Agreed. To serve one's country, no matter how inept parts of it are(and they are), is still quite honorable. Not that I would ever, mind you, nor do I support the war personally, but I support the troops and believe them to be honorable people.
And they do not serve an institution, they serve the people, first and foremost, and the government after that. (Although, I'm sure it's the other way around in practice).
My new language will be whatever implements E4X but instead P4X or R4X(you know what that R stands for, c'mon Ruby guys, it's good, but it could be GREAT).
Since that's been done, I think JavaScript(in FF 1.5 and above) is the best language with the best XML support in the world. Anything else is like watching that silent hill movie again while cutting my wrist with a rusty serrated knife. I know.NET has some good stuff, and Java does too, but I've seen nothing but hacks for PHP and Ruby's isn't great. E4X @ mozdev
Anyone wanna post where else is good please? Me likey!
When writing an RSS reader is about 5 lines in JS, I mean, c'mon. That's nice.
Google no downtime? WTF google are you using? I'm using google.com
I love google, don't get me wrong, but, especially if you're using their homepage, you'll see them down about once a week or so, and if not completely down, incredible wait time. What SE do I use? Google and Yahoo if the first isn't available. I cry when I have to, but I'm not gonna let some fanboy attitude hide it from me. I gotta get work done too.
bbc.co.uk - that's cuz perl rocks
slashdot - yeah, billions of other problems though. Seriously. Doesn't even have a good dupe checker before an editor can hit post, I mean, c'mon.
Wikipedia works pretty regularly for me, I use google or yahoo to search them though.
Python and perl can be equally sloppy, depends on the coder, not the language. For postgresql, all I'll say, and I love it because it's BSD licensed, as I love almost anything that is BSD licensed. DOCUMENTATION. No, not what you have, REAL DOCUMENTATION. Not just a random assortment of man pages posted on the website. Maybe this has changed, maybe not. But look at MySQL's docu, anything and everything you've ever wanted to know. Look at Postgresql's, How to create a db and edit it before you can even get it running. Weird problems with permissions, in FAQ's with no answer, no docu at all. PhpPgAdmin is not yet up to speed(but gonna be way nicer that PhpMyAdmin when it's done it looks like).
Need more online collaboration. IM, email, SVN, bug tracker, telephone(or voice chat).
I know working closely makes sense, but you have to put effort into it. Once you're separated, if you the same effort into it, you'll reap similar rewards. I don't think either is particularly better, but as far as learning from others, etc...
I promise you I could walk into a work enviroment in-office and get far less done and help out far less by simply not putting any effort into it, than I could in a separated enviroment. Hell, there's less pointless chatter for me, so you've already got more time to work. People assume working from home, you don't have to put any effort into collaboration, when you actually do.
Neither is better, it's a preference of what people prefer. But neither actually wins, either. There's several advantages, even with a lesser skilled group, because if you have a URL or link, you can easily send that back to them to RTFA. =) And yes, you can see their code, SVN, or, *gasp* copy and paste. =)
Apple's terms haven't been popularity, "counter-culture" or anything else. Yes, that's helped, a lot, but the biggest thing about it is it is easy. It's a music player. Nothing more. It's not a strange new fangled USB device that connects to the computer in some weird way, and you have to load weird software and jump through hoops to get it to work. Apple integrated everything it could, made it as simple as your CD player, and then sold it.
It's cool for geeks to have an iPod cuz they're expensive, but for most of the world, iPods work. I've known people who have bought most others and spent days figuring it out. With an iPod you go home, install iTunes, rip a CD, plug it in(or sit it in the dock) and that's it. You don't have to click through 15 menus to copy music over, you just connect it with the computer and it does the rest for you.
Not trying to sound like an Apple Fanboy here, but it looks like SanDisk is only targeting geeks with this. The counter culture thing is cool, but when you tell your friends you're gonna go get a sandisk whatever it's called, they'll say "Oh, that's really hard to use. I just sold mine on ebay and got an ipod" what's all that counter culture crap gonna do for you?
I don't say this to say "Apple Forever!" I'm saying that everyone else needs to make it simple. I'm tired of calls from friends and relatives who got an MP3 player and can't get it to work, the others I tell to get an ipod and poof, no trouble. Just cuz you have an MP3 player doesn't mean you know what an MP3 is, what a computer is, or how or why the CPU is not the big black box that everything plugs into with the Dell logo.
Yes, Windows is used in a lot of corp enviroments, but it's also used in a lot of homes. If he's posting from a windows PC, then yes, he knows about administrating a windows enviroment.
"The peer networking at my office is not balky."
How did you accomplish that? It takes about 45 minutes to transfer 100 meg files over a 100Mbit/network. Yeah, I know, it won't be in a second, or a minute, but nearly an hour? It's a balky network. I'd love to know what you did. Why is it faster for me to set up an SCP server than to use windows peer networking?
Oh, "It's not designed for sharing large files" even though you can right click on a folder and share it pretty easily.
Not to play devil's advocate, but there are home users out there.
Climate changes aren't caused by humans! So it's irrelevant to study them, whether they are happening or not! There's no proof humans are causing them! ARGH!!!!
Sorry, had to condense anti-global warming people's stuff down to a few lines. =P
But, it doesn't work with 5.1. And, 5.1's performance is pretty close to that of PHP 5 with eAccelerator(not php4 w/), and close to PHP 5 with. I can't wait for eAccelerator to come out for php5.1, but until then, APC compiles cleanly and works well. With a kickass control panel.
Zend's tragedy core dumps apache every 20 minutes.
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Yeah, a couple countires, to my limited knowledge, do fines like that. I think in Iceland, speeding tickets are a percentage of your past year's income(although you can argue it if it's gone down dramatically). That way, it's not reserved for the rich, it's a nice chunk no matter what you're income is, and it hits you the same.
Unlike in the US, Maximum $200 possible fine for speeding thru this area signs, blah blah blah, for some, whatever. We don't have points in Texas, unless it's been put in recently. So no loss of privileges, $200 can be a lot to some people, or could be as worthless as pennies to others(or, at least, not much).
Makes sense of course, although no system is ever perfect.
I don't think it's "cell users drive as bad as drunk drivers" so much as it is the quality of driving is going downhill, with or without cell phones.
In the simulation:
Did cars randomly turn left from the right hand lane, and vice versa?
Did cars randomly stop at green lights, moving no further, until it completely went red?
Did the volunteers drive on one way streets? Were there cars coming at them from the other direction, going the wrong way on the one way street?
Were there cars driving in two lanes, for no discernable reason?
If not, the simulation was flawed. Now, the people who get my respect are the ones who figure out why those above questions happen for people who are not on their cell phones nor drunk, will be a truly great person.
Oh yeah, and dupe? From last year wasn't it?
The best point is, "all the work" is reduced vs. many other languages. Nothing is a fit-all, but if you want simple UI layouts, a simple client/server app(network connectivity already done), plugin capability + management, i18n, then yeah, about 90% of that work is already finished.
But it doesn't work for everything, but it works for a lot more than you would think. I've only done app dev, not really any firefox plugins with it though. And I've barely touched XPCOM, haven't had to(yet).
Slow? Man, you gotta upgrade! Get a real processor, we run just fine, loading up about 6k XML objects(fully parsed into Objs) is only a second on broadband.
Oh, yeah, and because I haven't got around to make an exception for the XML, our XML docs come over as JSON encoded, which is then parsed into a javascript string, which is then parsed into an XML object. =(..
We don't use any XPCOM on our app yet, haven't had the need. Simple client/server but you gotta have those stats. And in XML for external export.
It reuses existing technologies instead of re-creating new ones. Javascript is very quick, depending on what you're doing. We're loading about 8k XML Object's in Javascript and it's only as slow as your bandwidth.
It uses CSS for style(look&feel), so your web guy can do it, or you can if you're familiar with it.
It has translation support built in if you wish to use it, nothing requires you to use it but using it is automatic, nothing to enable, no 3rd party libraries to include.
XUL itself(the XML UI files) are short, terse, and very easy to keep organized if you keep it split up with overlays(instead of a single file, which all languages have problems with).
It has a plugin interface built in. It's quick and easy to do a UI with it, if you know Javascript you're off pretty quickly, if you don't it's easy to pick up(until you get to the harder stuff). JavaScript is a real language, with Objects, Inheritance, Closures, a Garbage Collector, etc...
Hell, it runs Firefox and Thunderbird. AIM Triton is the same idea, different implementation(Boxely).
Making drastic changes to the UI is 10 minutes if you're just moving stuff around, sometimes less, rarely more. You can add themes to your app(Custom Branding for Clients? Not a problem, it's already built in). Again, translation is very little extra work. Client/Server is incredibly simple because of both JSON and E4X. We've got our app with a PHP backend and connecting them together is the simplest thing to do. Don't have to load up any extra libraries because you're dealing with XML, or any extra because you've got to work with XML-RPC.
JavaScript dev is much faster than C++ dev. If you need C++ dev, then you're at the wrong toolkit, although you can always XPCOM it.
I think you're questioning it as the end-all-be-all which it is not. It has it's problems, no comments in the xml code, although it's very straightforward and needing it is questionable. JavaScript and CSS comments are all there. Network connectivity is already finished for you. But it has it's problems, it's not the end all be all, but dev time is very quick, although it does have that lag when you're booting up a java app, but only 1/4 the time.
I see, but the XML files in XUL declare the UI, there's not much to declare about the application itself(especially in XulRunner). If you need to change the UI, you change the XML. If you need to change how something works, you change either the javascript or the XPCOM(if you're using it). If you need to change the look&feel of the app, pass the CSS back to the web guy, or make the changes yourself. There's little to keep in sync, unless you're making a visible change to the UI.
I'll take standard definition if I can have my TV Seasons on a single DVD instead of 4 or more!
Slashdotters always complain about having to put in a video game cd just to play, well, I complain about having to put in another dvd just to watch another episode from the same season.
Bender: "Yo old guy, why do we have to use those tiny micro droids? Can't you just shrink us?"
Professor: "Oh my no, that would require extremely tiny atoms, have your priced those lately? I'm not made of money, leave me alone!"
As I click over and slightly increment my bids....
Agreed! I don't care what your blog says. Oh a new release? Of what?! 4.8? WTF does it do?
This has been a huge problem of OSS stuff recently.
mangoserver.com: What we are: Mango Server is a code patch for a SQL injection and a strategic alliance instead of an aquisition for these SQL injections. Come! Download out SQL injections to bring your code to enterprise level!
both php and drupal have big news stuff, but they say what they are. On the left for php, on the top for drupal. Even gaim's webpage has a one liner.
All openwengo is is a summer of code type thing that works as a firefox extension, nothing more, apparently.
I hate when you can't find out what the hell something is, and worse is when it's about six clicks before a download link shows up(sf.net always adds at least one, so make it on the front page so it's only two or three!).
Agreed. Learning rails was the best thing I could have every done for my PHP skills. I think my current tools are out of shape, and looks for better equivalents, and find them.
I know wish Asterisk it should be possible to set up a database centric version of a whitelist, and only allow those calls in. All others are given infinite rings, or route-to-ex.
Maybe the time is now to start this. If they have your #, they should have your email, IM, and there should be a web address with a captcha that gives 24 hour access or something? Maybe that's what it should do instead of infinite ring, "To access my phone, please go to www.whatever.com and type in the number you are trying to dial, and follow the instructions. Thank You."
Agreed. I use it to track my protein to calrorie ratio(How much protein I've eaten, how much calories I have left to consume for the day, what is the minimum ratio I need to be eating for the rest of the day, etc... to achive my target goal).
Excel is really overkill, I don't need to spend money on Office for that. OO is overkill, wait, wait, wait, wait, ok, it's up.
CSS is more than just web. It's XUL, it's XAML, and it's Boxeley(For all those AOL nerds out there). It's also in several smaller toolkits, and it's starting to pop up kinda everywhere. It's a good thing.
Exactly why I was never able to finish it. I can't decide, which is the worst FF I've ever played, 7 with Cloud, or 10 with Football. I think FF1(US) was the best. Plain, simple, and didn't force you into BS. Oblivion is good, very sandbox though, but enjoyable. You can stop the main storyline and go have fun. In FF7 you have to continue, or go fight, there's little else to do.
And what is the japanese obsession with Fishing and pointless mini games? Is it only brilliant US developers who thought up the idea of many many side-quests and mini-quests, instead of a completely different(ridiculously) boring game within the game? Oh yeah, FF7 had the arcade, at least that was a couple things, but really bad still.
Mind you, all the FF games have a high standing on my list. The new dragonquest that came out was so silly, that I could see no storyline. They say oblivion has a weak main storyline, well, play dragon quest, it's so silly you'll never notice a storyline. =)
But, to each their own.
Just don't use Firefox 3.0, use the current ones out there and the future 2.x ones.
Agreed. To serve one's country, no matter how inept parts of it are(and they are), is still quite honorable. Not that I would ever, mind you, nor do I support the war personally, but I support the troops and believe them to be honorable people.
And they do not serve an institution, they serve the people, first and foremost, and the government after that. (Although, I'm sure it's the other way around in practice).
My new language will be whatever implements E4X but instead P4X or R4X(you know what that R stands for, c'mon Ruby guys, it's good, but it could be GREAT).
.NET has some good stuff, and Java does too, but I've seen nothing but hacks for PHP and Ruby's isn't great. E4X @ mozdev
Since that's been done, I think JavaScript(in FF 1.5 and above) is the best language with the best XML support in the world. Anything else is like watching that silent hill movie again while cutting my wrist with a rusty serrated knife. I know
Anyone wanna post where else is good please? Me likey!
When writing an RSS reader is about 5 lines in JS, I mean, c'mon. That's nice.
Google no downtime? WTF google are you using? I'm using google.com
I love google, don't get me wrong, but, especially if you're using their homepage, you'll see them down about once a week or so, and if not completely down, incredible wait time. What SE do I use? Google and Yahoo if the first isn't available. I cry when I have to, but I'm not gonna let some fanboy attitude hide it from me. I gotta get work done too.
bbc.co.uk - that's cuz perl rocks
slashdot - yeah, billions of other problems though. Seriously. Doesn't even have a good dupe checker before an editor can hit post, I mean, c'mon.
Wikipedia works pretty regularly for me, I use google or yahoo to search them though.
Python and perl can be equally sloppy, depends on the coder, not the language. For postgresql, all I'll say, and I love it because it's BSD licensed, as I love almost anything that is BSD licensed. DOCUMENTATION. No, not what you have, REAL DOCUMENTATION. Not just a random assortment of man pages posted on the website. Maybe this has changed, maybe not. But look at MySQL's docu, anything and everything you've ever wanted to know. Look at Postgresql's, How to create a db and edit it before you can even get it running. Weird problems with permissions, in FAQ's with no answer, no docu at all. PhpPgAdmin is not yet up to speed(but gonna be way nicer that PhpMyAdmin when it's done it looks like).
Need more online collaboration. IM, email, SVN, bug tracker, telephone(or voice chat).
I know working closely makes sense, but you have to put effort into it. Once you're separated, if you the same effort into it, you'll reap similar rewards. I don't think either is particularly better, but as far as learning from others, etc...
I promise you I could walk into a work enviroment in-office and get far less done and help out far less by simply not putting any effort into it, than I could in a separated enviroment. Hell, there's less pointless chatter for me, so you've already got more time to work. People assume working from home, you don't have to put any effort into collaboration, when you actually do.
Neither is better, it's a preference of what people prefer. But neither actually wins, either. There's several advantages, even with a lesser skilled group, because if you have a URL or link, you can easily send that back to them to RTFA. =) And yes, you can see their code, SVN, or, *gasp* copy and paste. =)
Apple's terms haven't been popularity, "counter-culture" or anything else. Yes, that's helped, a lot, but the biggest thing about it is it is easy. It's a music player. Nothing more. It's not a strange new fangled USB device that connects to the computer in some weird way, and you have to load weird software and jump through hoops to get it to work. Apple integrated everything it could, made it as simple as your CD player, and then sold it.
It's cool for geeks to have an iPod cuz they're expensive, but for most of the world, iPods work. I've known people who have bought most others and spent days figuring it out. With an iPod you go home, install iTunes, rip a CD, plug it in(or sit it in the dock) and that's it. You don't have to click through 15 menus to copy music over, you just connect it with the computer and it does the rest for you.
Not trying to sound like an Apple Fanboy here, but it looks like SanDisk is only targeting geeks with this. The counter culture thing is cool, but when you tell your friends you're gonna go get a sandisk whatever it's called, they'll say "Oh, that's really hard to use. I just sold mine on ebay and got an ipod" what's all that counter culture crap gonna do for you?
I don't say this to say "Apple Forever!" I'm saying that everyone else needs to make it simple. I'm tired of calls from friends and relatives who got an MP3 player and can't get it to work, the others I tell to get an ipod and poof, no trouble. Just cuz you have an MP3 player doesn't mean you know what an MP3 is, what a computer is, or how or why the CPU is not the big black box that everything plugs into with the Dell logo.
I call dibs on writing next month's "The Death of Email" article that doesn't say, do, or suggest anything new. Dibs dibs dibs!
"administrating a Windows environment"
?
Yes, Windows is used in a lot of corp enviroments, but it's also used in a lot of homes. If he's posting from a windows PC, then yes, he knows about administrating a windows enviroment.
"The peer networking at my office is not balky."
How did you accomplish that? It takes about 45 minutes to transfer 100 meg files over a 100Mbit/network. Yeah, I know, it won't be in a second, or a minute, but nearly an hour? It's a balky network. I'd love to know what you did. Why is it faster for me to set up an SCP server than to use windows peer networking?
Oh, "It's not designed for sharing large files" even though you can right click on a folder and share it pretty easily.
Not to play devil's advocate, but there are home users out there.
Climate changes aren't caused by humans! So it's irrelevant to study them, whether they are happening or not! There's no proof humans are causing them! ARGH!!!!
Sorry, had to condense anti-global warming people's stuff down to a few lines. =P
But, it doesn't work with 5.1. And, 5.1's performance is pretty close to that of PHP 5 with eAccelerator(not php4 w/), and close to PHP 5 with. I can't wait for eAccelerator to come out for php5.1, but until then, APC compiles cleanly and works well. With a kickass control panel.
Zend's tragedy core dumps apache every 20 minutes.