No you miss the point, the point is to check the from/sender address is valid. Yes a spammer can use THEIR domain from any machine, so what? They have to identify their domain. Not my domain for the receiver to accept their email. Yes they can set it up and I will get the spam but for the first time I will be able to trace where it came from. Ah but you say they just bought the domain on a stolen CC card yes perhaps they did but we are starting to get a paper trail to the spammer who would also be a criminal if they did that.
This is a first step to fighting spam "knowing your enemy", war will continue.
Yes and no, he is trying to get the film manufacturers to sign a fixed price contract so he knows how much to charge but they only want to sign the normal one were they get a share of the takings. Historically this agreement has been good and bad, it HAS ment that poor cinemas and low volume ones could take films they otherwise could never justify. Some cinemas would have never been able to afford the upfront cost (and infact risk). In the days of multiplexs and chains it has also been used laterly to milk big hits. I got to see Matrix reloaded at my local multiplex (I have 2 walking distance from my house) and didn't think that the 3 pounds (4.5 dollars) was alot to pay for my ticket, that would have bought me one pint of Guiness in london and lasted ALOT longer (some might say two long....)
Normally I would agree with that 100% but they said they were in a rural setting, so the cable is going to be layed just below the dirt I would guess. So the question (and expense) of needing access covers every 300 yards or so less or more of a bother. Pulling though cables for a complete run still takes alot of time, of course a complete life saver when you have tarmac and concrete on top of what you have layed.
Personally I use a mixer, that way I can keep playing mp3s on one computer and listen to the sound effects from another, and still use one set of speakers. Ok it does not auto switch like a kvm would dpo from one computer to another, but there again I don;t want it to because I want to hear the sounds from more than one machine.
James
PS for really cheap people with 2 computers use that input on your sound card;-)
If you end up digging things up to lay coax, lay fiber as well you don't have to connect it to anything, that way you will have lots of room for expation without having to go back the the ground again. Otherwise you be in the situation cable companies are in of wishing they had layed fiber but coax was cheaper in the short term. Of course if you have cheap labour, you might not care about having to redo things in the future.
I don't agree, hp and compaq tried that one and end up with, big company with problems + big company with problems = very big company with lots of problems.
Nothing, save some memory when running the programs (assuming another one wants the same DLL). I was trying to explain why dynamic linking is important, and why running programs against old libraries can be bad... And to be frank the importance of a stable API. However if your loader tells the library which version of the API the exec was linked with, it would be possible for one DLL to work exactly like the old one.
$69.99 for all the games looks good, if the download price for galciv is the same as stella fronteer (20 bucks) then that is a big thing, and they need to play this up ALOT more, 20 bucks I will buy it, it would be nice in the purchase section they tell you aboiut this drengin network thing and explain the download only price, the only option they tell you about at the moment is $45+P&P, at that price I was going to wait a while, (and probably never go back to the site). Now I may go back in a months time.
Here is another way, when a library is dynamically loaded, the program tells it what "version" it was linked against, this can then switch the new libraries api to work like the older version of the API. For example if a function aways returned zero in version 3, they latter it was changed to return a bool in version 3.2 when the it loaded and sees the program was linked against a version 3, the function will return 0.
The other way is to group DLL is api group, so all DLLs with the same API can be used interchangably... but that means they have to support old library versions.... (never going to happen).
If I statically link an executable, and they library I link against has a bug in it, I have to rebuild the executable to get rid of the bug. If the library is dynamically linked and the library interface (key point) is the same I can upgrade my complete system by installing a new library....
Think about it, if there is a problem with say the resolving library which means your machine is insecure, with static linking you have to rebuild everthing, also with static linking you have to work out what is statically linked with it too...
The key think however is having a rock solid library interface with no "special" features which require XX version of YY. The incompatibilities only start happening when the interface suttly changes. Some programs get bitten and not others due to which parts of the interface they use....
If you can download the full version why not go the whole hog and offer the option of download and burn yourself! That way you can save the carrier costs they can pass on the savings of not having to produce the box/cd etc, and can cut out the middle man completely which can take up to 50% of the costs, that way they could offer it for 20-30 bucks, and still make a good profit. 45 buck plus P&P is the same as a highstreet price. So where is my saving? Yes I can play now, but thats only a few days break before before the box arrives, and I still have to download the sucker. Yes I like this approach but they haven't followed it through completely.
No, you understand me completey wrongly, I was not say that it was right or wrong. I was asking, where did they expect all the replacement customers to spring from, particularly when thoses replacements have not decided on which service to take and would be more likely to pick one that is not limited.
I also do think some customers are worth more than others, some bandwidth hogs may buy alot of other services, so are worth more than BB only customers and should be treated accordingly.
Personally I use TW not NTL but what happens their oftain happens here. BB is the only thing I do like about TW, for TV SKY is better, and they increased call charges on my phone. BB is why I remain a customer, If a company spites me, I am perfectly willing to do it back, even if it ment moving to a limited ADSL service cos when I buy that replacement I will know it is limited.
The only problem is where are those new customers going to come from? Cable companies in the are the minority phone providers here. There are alot of people offering ADSL via BT phone lines, who is going to sign up for a Limited service for the same price as they could get an unlimited one?
If I have to change my BB provider I will need to replace my cable phone with a BT phone line (Man they are going to love this). So I guess I wont be needing the cable one any more, and cos I will now not get discounts on my TV I am better off switching it to SKY (satelight), who are also the majority player in the UK. So this move could cost them alot more than they think.
Well "Fortunately" our goverment here in the UK wants to change the rules about double jepardy, so a politican gets the final say on allowing a retrial... Nice to see our legal system which has been tried and tested flushed and replaced with quick fixes.
I would also like to be able to turn off traversal of code (black boxing) some libraries.. step finish is so boring particularly when they have no symbols for the code anyway! Likewise to mark some functions within my code like that step whoops not interested in this bit, not go into this function again sort of thing.
And someway to display encasulated data which has been repeatedly encapulated with void * as it get passed into sub functions. It may be oops but its a pain to debug.
Not really, the will right of the costs of giving the software away against tax and the full list price rather than at the cost of production for MS. So if you consider the fact that they would not have bought a licence if they had not been given a copy, MS is infact making a profit.
"Gates, in a brief chat with reporters here, asserted that Microsoft Windows had saved more money for its users than open-source systems."
Ok so I have product A am trying to break into a market so I only have 1 user, someone else has product B which has 100 users. Now my product offers 10 bucks a saving per user, product B offers 1 buck a saving per user.
So clearly product A makes better savings, however if we go to absolute figures total savings for all users, my product save 10 bucks there one saved 100 bucks, so yes there total saving can be higher!
Yes you can say its more efficent to have it in kernel space, but its an embedded device so any efficency problems can be counteracted by knowing exactly what is gojng to be run on the system. If you cannot get all the information you want in user space, write a driver to patch the information you need though to user space.
An example of this is binary firmware for devices, you can just patch the loading routinues through a driver an upload a what ever you like. For example the DXR2 drivers provide all the access functions, but within the magic binary only firmware they are useless, the only thing your "device" gives away is how to write a kernel modules, but there again, you could just take someone elses gpl kernel modules and make it work for these ends saving you development time.
Having said that run time loadable modules do not have to be GPLed the only code your need to include to build one of these are kernel header files and if you look carefully at those they are not GPLed so the compiled object does not have to be GPLed. I believe using non gpl loadable modules in a GPL kernel is specifically allowed (I believe).
I think this system fits with the linux point of view. Getting support for as much stuff as possibile is good if it means non gpl fine, just don't expect us to help you. Non gpl is better than nothing at all (in many peoples book). But there again, I don't buy nivida graphics cards because of their policy of binary drivers.
quiet operation, (NO FANS) Hi-Fi form factor case... cheap price My 450 cost me 150 quid (UKP). No need for patching. Instant "on".
Why do I need a full feature computer in my living room, I am there to watch TV or listen to music), I have a computer (and another TV up stairs if I want to do that).
James
PS did I say quiet operation... my living room is a fan free zone. I don;t want the sound of an aircraft taking off comming from a Hi-Fi stack.
Oh course that does prompt the question if the DNS is down how are your going to send the email? email uses DNS lookups as well, it just uses MX rather A entries.
I took it that he patented the idea after the Microsoft representatives stated they were not going to use it for this. Of course that depends on if they say could not or would not. If they said could not, and he has come up with an idea which means they could that I would agree that is novel and new. If he patented what people feared they would do, but didn't say anything about then your right that would be covered.
Having said all of that it, thats not what the patent is about as what he really wants to know is what are microsofts long term objectives, and I have to admit this has got to be one of the better ways of finding out.
I do look forward to seeing how this one plays out.
If microsoft does make him that offer he will have achieved his objective of making Microsoft show there colours. I kind of feel that if it when to court he might have a problem because he patented an idea after it was mentioned in a conference, if it was mentioned in a conference it is already in the Public Domain so not patentable, but just having the case in the first place would prove his objectives.
As a block it might work it is to high a risk to bring a product to market then worry about the patents, and example of a company who ignored patents feeling they could challege them after they got there product to market was Kodac v Polaroid. The whole affair cost kodac so much that no one else even tried to produce instant film. Of course they missed the ball on digital cameras;-)
Yes microsoft could also try to patent the same thing, however this would also show there colours.
Personally i feel there is something really quite objectionable of patenting an idea so it cannot be used, the point of the system is to get ideas used but thats patents for you.
Its strange how the piece talks about using a ZIP drive when the file explorer window shows the D drive is infact a Sony memory Stick, and now zip at all....
And I hate the support I have a C1VFK just after I had it one year, the computer "thinks" its on means all the time so the battery slow discharges even when off! The Camera stopped working after service packs 3, Bluetooth at 2, vaio-link produces no updated drivers for it. Restore is off a CD, your need to buy a vaio drive, drivers if you lose the CD your have to pay for a new one cos you can't even download the orginals. And of course its a restore CD with a licence code that does not work with a normal install.....
Support will only talk to you after you have given then 15 quid!
Compared with the build and ongoing support of my previous computer an IBM, sony quality sucks, I will never buy sony. IBM keep supporting there computers after launch, sony seem to support them as they were at lunch.
Don't get fooled by the looks.... !!!!
James
PS if anyone wants to give me a reasonable offer for my one there are welcome to it;-)
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No you miss the point, the point is to check the from/sender address is valid. Yes a spammer can use THEIR domain from any machine, so what? They have to identify their domain. Not my domain for the receiver to accept their email. Yes they can set it up and I will get the spam but for the first time I will be able to trace where it came from. Ah but you say they just bought the domain on a stolen CC card yes perhaps they did but we are starting to get a paper trail to the spammer who would also be a criminal if they did that.
This is a first step to fighting spam "knowing your enemy", war will continue.
James
James
Yes and no, he is trying to get the film manufacturers to sign a fixed price contract so he knows how much to charge but they only want to sign the normal one were they get a share of the takings. Historically this agreement has been good and bad, it HAS ment that poor cinemas and low volume ones could take films they otherwise could never justify. Some cinemas would have never been able to afford the upfront cost (and infact risk). In the days of multiplexs and chains it has also been used laterly to milk big hits. I got to see Matrix reloaded at my local multiplex (I have 2 walking distance from my house) and didn't think that the 3 pounds (4.5 dollars) was alot to pay for my ticket, that would have bought me one pint of Guiness in london and lasted ALOT longer (some might say two long....)
James
Normally I would agree with that 100% but they said they were in a rural setting, so the cable is going to be layed just below the dirt I would guess. So the question (and expense) of needing access covers every 300 yards or so less or more of a bother. Pulling though cables for a complete run still takes alot of time, of course a complete life saver when you have tarmac and concrete on top of what you have layed.
James
Personally I use a mixer, that way I can keep playing mp3s on one computer and listen to the sound effects from another, and still use one set of speakers. Ok it does not auto switch like a kvm would dpo from one computer to another, but there again I don;t want it to because I want to hear the sounds from more than one machine.
;-)
James
PS for really cheap people with 2 computers use that input on your sound card
If you end up digging things up to lay coax, lay fiber as well you don't have to connect it to anything, that way you will have lots of room for expation without having to go back the the ground again. Otherwise you be in the situation cable companies are in of wishing they had layed fiber but coax was cheaper in the short term. Of course if you have cheap labour, you might not care about having to redo things in the future.
James
I don't agree, hp and compaq tried that one and end up with, big company with problems + big company with problems = very big company with lots of problems.
James
Nothing, save some memory when running the programs (assuming another one wants the same DLL). I was trying to explain why dynamic linking is important, and why running programs against old libraries can be bad... And to be frank the importance of a stable API. However if your loader tells the library which version of the API the exec was linked with, it would be possible for one DLL to work exactly like the old one.
$69.99 for all the games looks good, if the download price for galciv is the same as stella fronteer (20 bucks) then that is a big thing, and they need to play this up ALOT more, 20 bucks I will buy it, it would be nice in the purchase section they tell you aboiut this drengin network thing and explain the download only price, the only option they tell you about at the moment is $45+P&P, at that price I was going to wait a while, (and probably never go back to the site). Now I may go back in a months time.
James
Here is another way, when a library is dynamically loaded, the program tells it what "version" it was linked against, this can then switch the new libraries api to work like the older version of the API. For example if a function aways returned zero in version 3, they latter it was changed to return a bool in version 3.2 when the it loaded and sees the program was linked against a version 3, the function will return 0.
The other way is to group DLL is api group, so all DLLs with the same API can be used interchangably... but that means they have to support old library versions.... (never going to happen).
James
If I statically link an executable, and they library I link against has a bug in it, I have to rebuild the executable to get rid of the bug. If the library is dynamically linked and the library interface (key point) is the same I can upgrade my complete system by installing a new library....
Think about it, if there is a problem with say the resolving library which means your machine is insecure, with static linking you have to rebuild everthing, also with static linking you have to work out what is statically linked with it too...
The key think however is having a rock solid library interface with no "special" features which require XX version of YY. The incompatibilities only start happening when the interface suttly changes. Some programs get bitten and not others due to which parts of the interface they use....
James
If you can download the full version why not go the whole hog and offer the option of download and burn yourself! That way you can save the carrier costs they can pass on the savings of not having to produce the box/cd etc, and can cut out the middle man completely which can take up to 50% of the costs, that way they could offer it for 20-30 bucks, and still make a good profit. 45 buck plus P&P is the same as a highstreet price. So where is my saving? Yes I can play now, but thats only a few days break before before the box arrives, and I still have to download the sucker. Yes I like this approach but they haven't followed it through completely.
James
No, you understand me completey wrongly, I was not say that it was right or wrong. I was asking, where did they expect all the replacement customers to spring from, particularly when thoses replacements have not decided on which service to take and would be more likely to pick one that is not limited.
I also do think some customers are worth more than others, some bandwidth hogs may buy alot of other services, so are worth more than BB only customers and should be treated accordingly.
Personally I use TW not NTL but what happens their oftain happens here. BB is the only thing I do like about TW, for TV SKY is better, and they increased call charges on my phone. BB is why I remain a customer, If a company spites me, I am perfectly willing to do it back, even if it ment moving to a limited ADSL service cos when I buy that replacement I will know it is limited.
James
The only problem is where are those new customers going to come from? Cable companies in the are the minority phone providers here. There are alot of people offering ADSL via BT phone lines, who is going to sign up for a Limited service for the same price as they could get an unlimited one?
If I have to change my BB provider I will need to replace my cable phone with a BT phone line (Man they are going to love this). So I guess I wont be needing the cable one any more, and cos I will now not get discounts on my TV I am better off switching it to SKY (satelight), who are also the majority player in the UK. So this move could cost them alot more than they think.
James
Well "Fortunately" our goverment here in the UK wants to change the rules about double jepardy, so a politican gets the final say on allowing a retrial... Nice to see our legal system which has been tried and tested flushed and replaced with quick fixes.
James
I would also like to be able to turn off traversal of code (black boxing) some libraries.. step finish is so boring particularly when they have no symbols for the code anyway! Likewise to mark some functions within my code like that step whoops not interested in this bit, not go into this function again sort of thing.
And someway to display encasulated data which has been repeatedly encapulated with void * as it get passed into sub functions. It may be oops but its a pain to debug.
James
Not really, the will right of the costs of giving the software away against tax and the full list price rather than at the cost of production for MS. So if you consider the fact that they would not have bought a licence if they had not been given a copy, MS is infact making a profit.
James
"Gates, in a brief chat with reporters here, asserted that Microsoft Windows had saved more money for its users than open-source systems."
Ok so I have product A am trying to break into a market so I only have 1 user, someone else has product B which has 100 users. Now my product offers 10 bucks a saving per user, product B offers 1 buck a saving per user.
So clearly product A makes better savings, however if we go to absolute figures total savings for all users, my product save 10 bucks there one saved 100 bucks, so yes there total saving can be higher!
James
Yes you can say its more efficent to have it in kernel space, but its an embedded device so any efficency problems can be counteracted by knowing exactly what is gojng to be run on the system. If you cannot get all the information you want in user space, write a driver to patch the information you need though to user space.
An example of this is binary firmware for devices, you can just patch the loading routinues through a driver an upload a what ever you like. For example the DXR2 drivers provide all the access functions, but within the magic binary only firmware they are useless, the only thing your "device" gives away is how to write a kernel modules, but there again, you could just take someone elses gpl kernel modules and make it work for these ends saving you development time.
Having said that run time loadable modules do not have to be GPLed the only code your need to include to build one of these are kernel header files and if you look carefully at those they are not GPLed so the compiled object does not have to be GPLed. I believe using non gpl loadable modules in a GPL kernel is specifically allowed (I believe).
I think this system fits with the linux point of view. Getting support for as much stuff as possibile is good if it means non gpl fine, just don't expect us to help you. Non gpl is better than nothing at all (in many peoples book). But there again, I don't buy nivida graphics cards because of their policy of binary drivers.
James
Lets see...
quiet operation, (NO FANS)
Hi-Fi form factor case...
cheap price My 450 cost me 150 quid (UKP).
No need for patching.
Instant "on".
Why do I need a full feature computer in my living room, I am there to watch TV or listen to music), I have a computer (and another TV up stairs if I want to do that).
James
PS did I say quiet operation... my living room is a fan free zone. I don;t want the sound of an aircraft taking off comming from a Hi-Fi stack.
Oh course that does prompt the question if the DNS is down how are your going to send the email? email uses DNS lookups as well, it just uses MX rather A entries.
James
I took it that he patented the idea after the Microsoft representatives stated they were not going to use it for this. Of course that depends on if they say could not or would not. If they said could not, and he has come up with an idea which means they could that I would agree that is novel and new. If he patented what people feared they would do, but didn't say anything about then your right that would be covered.
Having said all of that it, thats not what the patent is about as what he really wants to know is what are microsofts long term objectives, and I have to admit this has got to be one of the better ways of finding out.
I do look forward to seeing how this one plays out.
James
If microsoft does make him that offer he will have achieved his objective of making Microsoft show there colours. I kind of feel that if it when to court he might have a problem because he patented an idea after it was mentioned in a conference, if it was mentioned in a conference it is already in the Public Domain so not patentable, but just having the case in the first place would prove his objectives.
;-)
As a block it might work it is to high a risk to bring a product to market then worry about the patents, and example of a company who ignored patents feeling they could challege them after they got there product to market was Kodac v Polaroid. The whole affair cost kodac so much that no one else even tried to produce instant film. Of course they missed the ball on digital cameras
Yes microsoft could also try to patent the same thing, however this would also show there colours.
Personally i feel there is something really quite objectionable of patenting an idea so it cannot be used, the point of the system is to get ideas used but thats patents for you.
James
Its strange how the piece talks about using a ZIP drive when the file explorer window shows the D drive is infact a Sony memory Stick, and now zip at all....
James
Infact its been out of patent for a while so its free for everyone.
james
And I hate the support I have a C1VFK just after I had it one year, the computer "thinks" its on means all the time so the battery slow discharges even when off! The Camera stopped working after service packs 3,
;-)
Bluetooth at 2, vaio-link produces no updated drivers for it. Restore is off a CD, your need to buy a vaio drive, drivers if you lose the CD your have to pay for a new one cos you can't even download the orginals. And of course its a restore CD with a licence code that does not work with a normal install.....
Support will only talk to you after you have given then 15 quid!
Compared with the build and ongoing support of my previous computer an IBM, sony quality sucks, I will never buy sony. IBM keep supporting there computers after launch, sony seem to support them as they were at lunch.
Don't get fooled by the looks.... !!!!
James
PS if anyone wants to give me a reasonable offer for my one there are welcome to it