It is stupid if it loses Linksys sales to competitors that have models with better specs for almost the same price or only marginally more expensive. It's not as if there's anyone 'in the know' that buy Linksys if they can buy an Asus wl-500g deluxe with USB 2.0 ports and the same flash/ram as the higher end linksys models (plus easier use and setup, even with OpenWRT.)
It would only be a good move if they cut down on the price so much that they push other vendors out of the market or into the same cost (and functionality) cutting. Otherwise it might be a way to kill Linksys off so there's one less competitor to Cisco's core bussiness. It would be the first company to use this kind of underhanded tactic.
Or just bring in your own USB anti-RSI keyboard and boot Knoppix. If they complain tell them you will sue them for harming your wrists...:D (Or have them confess the real reason you have to use their 'special' keyboard. Which then will lead to an outrage at the office, I hope;).
As an aside: you would have quickly typed your e-mail and got on with your job. Now you have to reboot twice. Nice win in productivity!
Never mind. I had a nice and caustic reply to your reply in preview when my browser crashed. You can imagine that I was pissed untill I saw your second reply...:-D:-D:-D
So some good with the bad. Oh. And about that finger? Raised to the 'constitution'.;-) Now lets hope Tony decides to not put you all through the ordeal too and just reject it outright. Good luck either way.;-)
I happen to be Dutch and I'm well aware of the difference between the EP and the EC. This is why the word 'constituants' was written within quotes to begin with. Alas, sarcasm is lost on most these days.
Ofcourse he's not going to give a rats ass (even if he was a MEP btw, it's not as if Democracy is at work there either. The MEP is a parking spot for failed national politicians).
I was merely pointing out that the man's e-mail address is readily obtainable by some simple and quick searches so that if you have these questions to ask, go ask him instead of pointing out the bloody obvious on/.. It's not as if the geeks here are interested.
I'm not going to try and persuade you, as I have no intention of trying to Persuade 'dear Jesus' as I said before. What I am going to do is help my country-men give the EU and our own collective governement including most of the opposition the Finger in the referendum held today. As you may or may not know as a European, today the Netherlands have a referendum on rejecting or accepting the new 'constitution for Europe' and it is _not_ going to make it. For once we can agree with the French on something. Who would've thought:D
You do understand that once the 'wild' varieties come into contact with you 'little super soldiers' the evolutionairy race is on again, and now on a whole new level.
What if these wild bacteria start to mutate and, through whatever mechanism, acquire the capabilities of the 'super soldiers'. What will prevent the wild bacteria to become 'super bacteria'? As long as we don't understand enough, I vote we keep our hands off...
Anywhere but Afrika. Or most other countries that you now might think should be able to carry the burden by then. Their workforce will be decimated by HIV/Aids in 20 to 30 years unless a miracle happens and a vaccin or definitive one-shot cure is found within the next 5 to 10 years.
Given the current situation in Angola I'm afraid we may not have that long though. If Marburg gets out of hand big-time, we may be lucky if we 'only' lose Africa.
On the automation part: I was wondering if in the end we would only be caring for our children anymore and doing nothing else if everything got 'automated'.
And this is because...? It's all about the marketing. Tell them that you're swithing to the seperate applications sequentially so that people can make the switch step by step...
Now if you would be talking interface uniformization an program integration, you'd have an argument right there, this is just a lame excuse.
Oh, and while we're on the subject: I don't believe in overly integrating parts unless it is done on the window-manager/graphical system. Interface standardization like on Mac's is great but I would still like the individual parts to do their 'thang' the best way they can. (The Unix foundation shines through here, I'll admit. Have smaller programs do more specialized tasks.)
For one thing, the 'severity of punishment' is not objectively measurable. [...]
Fully agree. Which means that the severity of the punishment not only is a bad motivator, it is also unjust in that it 'disconveniences' different convincts in different manners while the idea of the system is to have no regard for the person in question. Thank you for making my point doubly.
Common sense would suggest that 'most criminals' quite correctly estimate that the chance of being caught and punished is so slight as to be negligible,[...]
I agree again! I originally stated that I think that if the chance of being caught goes up it would reduce corporate crime. Therefore a beter motivator. Why are we disagreeing again?:D
Oh. Wait. You had to pull 'Thiefs honour' into the fray. Could you please explain how this adds anything to the 'punishment is worse for one than the other' thingy from just before? Same goes for the next two paragraphs. Thanks!
Lastly, you seem to argue that, to make speeding laws effective, the best way to get compliance would be to increase the penalty to public execution of the 'criminal' and his family...
In addition to all other valid criticisms of your idea I would like for you to keep in mind that the severity of a punishment has been disproven as an incentive to not commit crime. Especially because most criminals don't stop to think of the consequences of their actions anyway (that's why they are criminals to begin with, most of the time).
What has been prove to work as an incentive? Increase the chance of the perpetrator being caught and punished. You won't speed if you know that you have a near 100% certainty of a ticket, even if the fine isn't that high. You will however speed if the chances of you ever getting a fine are negligable, even if the fine is pretty steep.
Given the current situation in which big companies show the world that they can get away with whatever they like is a setting a bad precedent. Big corps currently have major similarities to the Mob not too long ago. They have politicians, judges and other notables in their pockets and can do what they want. Or at least that is the picture the public gets (when it decides to look away from their TV-set for a second, that is.)
Harsher penalties for companies mean didley if they have a good expectation of never being brought up on charges anway. Increase the oversight of corporate behaviour and you'll do more society than just stacking on 'more punishment'.
In general, if you build a web GUI using JavaScript, all sorts of things stop working because proxies and other tools simply can't reliably interpret anymore what your GUI is trying to do.
I see. I wasn't aware of this issue with proxies but I do understand what you're saying: the 'phone-browser' works through proxies and other cruft to 'optimize' the connection that subsequently mangle the communication.:/
Still, I don't see how Google is to blame then but at least I understand why it isn't going to work. I guess this is still easier to solve than most issues because it seems like it is centralized (with the proxies at least).
Because Google has lots of things they could be spending their limited time and resources on. An XUL client would appeal only to a small percentage of their users, and it probably makes more sense to direct their efforts elsewhere. If they really thought they wanted a web-based mail reader, standard DHTML, Java, or even ActiveX (yuck) would be more sensible business choices.
I think that Google has enough resources to get some programmers to implement a second interface. The biggest problem with an interface is always the definition, not the implementation. But even putting that aside, I think we can agree that ActiveX would cut out the growing number of 'dissenting' browser users that rely on Mozilla (FF), Opera, Konqueror or other non-IE browsers. I think that would be unacceptable.
Standard DHTML may not be able to provide the current user-experience and if it does I expect it to be too bulky and slow. (The 'bulky' argument is particularly important for the numbers of connections that Google is targeting.) Perhaps a 'light' interface could be constructed using DHTML, specifically for use with handhelds, but then I at least would want a way to tell which interface I want with each distinct login. (So that I can use 'light' on the road and normal for the desktop with the same account. Are you listening,/.?;)
Java... Well, lets nog get into that, shall we?;D
I think Google did the right thing and I also think that as an addition to the current interface offering, only a XUL interface would bring something extra to the table. I did learn something new about browsing through 'smart devices' and that is valuable. Thanks.
I'm not "climbing on horses", I'm having problems with Gmail on many of the devices and browsers that I use.
Perhaps, but then you may have to bug the providers of those browsers and devices to implement javascript sanely? I don't think Google made a 'dogs-dinner' out of the implementation so I think caveat emptor applies.
You want to look at a 500M mailbox with a handheld over POP3? I think you are a bit naive.
No, I've been called overly optimistic at times but this isn't the time and place: you can view only your un-archived posts over pop3, if I understand correctly. I haven't tried this so it may be a rumour, but that's what I based my remark on. Next time I'll be more specific to begin with.
Yes, it would be the "geeky" thing to do. It just wouldn't be the sensible thing to do.
Please tell me why it wouldn't be the sensible thing to do? I always love a good argument, even if it's contrary to my point of view. This isn't an argument. It is your point of view.
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If you want to climb on a horse over the implementation of the interface, remember that javascript works on more than IE alone. In this way most modern browsers are supported, admittedly not some of the simpler handhelds but hey, you can't please everyone. Most 'simpler' handhelds do Pop3 nowadays so they are/will be covered.
Furthermore, if they would like to get on the Geeks good side they should make a XUL version of their interface. That would create the killer-app for XUL in one go.
At the risk of being disregarded as belonging to the 'speed before quality' crowd so despised in the forum topic you link to: cdrlabs doesn't have reviews for the Nec ND3500A or the Pioneer DVR-108.
In other words: put up or shut up. This is just plugging the cdrlabs website which seems like a bunch of whiners for complaining about the quality of others without performing themselves. Especially when the complaints sound like nit-picking.
Furthermore, the one specialist site that does have reviews of most of these drives, cdrinfo, seems to mostly agree with Anandtech, like in their review of the #1 Nec ND3500A so the specialist sites seem not to disagree too much with this 'amateur' review: http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.a spx?ArticleId=10114
Note to mods: these drives aren't as new as people would like you to think, there has been ample time to review these beasts.
If burning of greener pastures (aka 'grass') were the reason for this pollution I think you'd actually have a working argument to get people to stop using drugs. At least over here...
But all kidding asside: what you're seeing is the result of three regions of very dense heavy industry and, for the Dutch part, refineries. As another poster pointed out, the 'Botlek gebied' has probably the highest concentration of petro-chemical industry in the world. Between Rotterdam on the north side, Antwerpen on the south side and the 'Ruhr gebied' on the east side you have enormous concentrations of heavy industries.
And so the Dutch are responsible for heavy pollution in two areas. The other being 'light-pollution' due to our enormous amount of greenhouses. Nice little critters, aren't we?;P
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Make all the phones in the world ring at once?
You missed the point. He has two computers and uses one to read /. while the other is rebooting and vice versa... :P
It is stupid if it loses Linksys sales to competitors that have models with better specs for almost the same price or only marginally more expensive. It's not as if there's anyone 'in the know' that buy Linksys if they can buy an Asus wl-500g deluxe with USB 2.0 ports and the same flash/ram as the higher end linksys models (plus easier use and setup, even with OpenWRT.)
It would only be a good move if they cut down on the price so much that they push other vendors out of the market or into the same cost (and functionality) cutting. Otherwise it might be a way to kill Linksys off so there's one less competitor to Cisco's core bussiness. It would be the first company to use this kind of underhanded tactic.
Self-evident. The GP mistook him for: Doctor Wu!
(But I can't find the post with the Abbott&Costello parody anywhere so if somebody would be so kind? Tia.)
Yes. But only for dramatic effect and that seems to be an option specially resevered for a Hollywood Basement... ;)
And suddenly you are well on your way to an early version of the LCARS interface ;)
And perhaps this comment on the lawsuit on Groklaw.
Or just bring in your own USB anti-RSI keyboard and boot Knoppix. If they complain tell them you will sue them for harming your wrists... :D (Or have them confess the real reason you have to use their 'special' keyboard. Which then will lead to an outrage at the office, I hope ;).
As an aside: you would have quickly typed your e-mail and got on with your job. Now you have to reboot twice. Nice win in productivity!
Never mind. I had a nice and caustic reply to your reply in preview when my browser crashed. You can imagine that I was pissed untill I saw your second reply... :-D :-D :-D
;-) Now lets hope Tony decides to not put you all through the ordeal too and just reject it outright. Good luck either way. ;-)
So some good with the bad. Oh. And about that finger? Raised to the 'constitution'.
I happen to be Dutch and I'm well aware of the difference between the EP and the EC. This is why the word 'constituants' was written within quotes to begin with. Alas, sarcasm is lost on most these days.
/.. It's not as if the geeks here are interested.
:D
Ofcourse he's not going to give a rats ass (even if he was a MEP btw, it's not as if Democracy is at work there either. The MEP is a parking spot for failed national politicians).
I was merely pointing out that the man's e-mail address is readily obtainable by some simple and quick searches so that if you have these questions to ask, go ask him instead of pointing out the bloody obvious on
I'm not going to try and persuade you, as I have no intention of trying to Persuade 'dear Jesus' as I said before. What I am going to do is help my country-men give the EU and our own collective governement including most of the opposition the Finger in the referendum held today. As you may or may not know as a European, today the Netherlands have a referendum on rejecting or accepting the new 'constitution for Europe' and it is _not_ going to make it. For once we can agree with the French on something. Who would've thought
Why don't you go and ask him:
/. topic? Oh, and be nice, will you? The man probably has a 'difficult' enough job as it is :D
jesus.villasante@cec.eu.int
While you're at it, perhaps just link to this
(I would do it myself if I were interested enough to ducate a man that probably wants to hear as little as possible from his 'constituents'.
I'm with ya.
All the way.
You do understand that once the 'wild' varieties come into contact with you 'little super soldiers' the evolutionairy race is on again, and now on a whole new level.
What if these wild bacteria start to mutate and, through whatever mechanism, acquire the capabilities of the 'super soldiers'. What will prevent the wild bacteria to become 'super bacteria'? As long as we don't understand enough, I vote we keep our hands off...
Anywhere but Afrika. Or most other countries that you now might think should be able to carry the burden by then. Their workforce will be decimated by HIV/Aids in 20 to 30 years unless a miracle happens and a vaccin or definitive one-shot cure is found within the next 5 to 10 years.
Given the current situation in Angola I'm afraid we may not have that long though. If Marburg gets out of hand big-time, we may be lucky if we 'only' lose Africa.
On the automation part: I was wondering if in the end we would only be caring for our children anymore and doing nothing else if everything got 'automated'.
Now if you would be talking interface uniformization an program integration, you'd have an argument right there, this is just a lame excuse.
Oh, and while we're on the subject: I don't believe in overly integrating parts unless it is done on the window-manager/graphical system. Interface standardization like on Mac's is great but I would still like the individual parts to do their 'thang' the best way they can. (The Unix foundation shines through here, I'll admit. Have smaller programs do more specialized tasks.)
(No hopes of keeping up apearances, because I actually like your last point a lot. ;)
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I'm weaseling out here because it turns out I do have a life besides
I agree again! I originally stated that I think that if the chance of being caught goes up it would reduce corporate crime. Therefore a beter motivator. Why are we disagreeing again?
Oh. Wait. You had to pull 'Thiefs honour' into the fray. Could you please explain how this adds anything to the 'punishment is worse for one than the other' thingy from just before? Same goes for the next two paragraphs. Thanks!
Lastly, you seem to argue that, to make speeding laws effective, the best way to get compliance would be to increase the penalty to public execution of the 'criminal' and his family...
Wait. Have I really been ranting to a troll?!
My bad.
Move along please! Nothing to see here.
In addition to all other valid criticisms of your idea I would like for you to keep in mind that the severity of a punishment has been disproven as an incentive to not commit crime. Especially because most criminals don't stop to think of the consequences of their actions anyway (that's why they are criminals to begin with, most of the time).
What has been prove to work as an incentive? Increase the chance of the perpetrator being caught and punished. You won't speed if you know that you have a near 100% certainty of a ticket, even if the fine isn't that high. You will however speed if the chances of you ever getting a fine are negligable, even if the fine is pretty steep.
Given the current situation in which big companies show the world that they can get away with whatever they like is a setting a bad precedent. Big corps currently have major similarities to the Mob not too long ago. They have politicians, judges and other notables in their pockets and can do what they want. Or at least that is the picture the public gets (when it decides to look away from their TV-set for a second, that is.)
Harsher penalties for companies mean didley if they have a good expectation of never being brought up on charges anway. Increase the oversight of corporate behaviour and you'll do more society than just stacking on 'more punishment'.
In general, if you build a web GUI using JavaScript, all sorts of things stop working because proxies and other tools simply can't reliably interpret anymore what your GUI is trying to do.
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I see. I wasn't aware of this issue with proxies but I do understand what you're saying: the 'phone-browser' works through proxies and other cruft to 'optimize' the connection that subsequently mangle the communication.
Still, I don't see how Google is to blame then but at least I understand why it isn't going to work. I guess this is still easier to solve than most issues because it seems like it is centralized (with the proxies at least).
Because Google has lots of things they could be spending their limited time and resources on. An XUL client would appeal only to a small percentage of their users, and it probably makes more sense to direct their efforts elsewhere. If they really thought they wanted a web-based mail reader, standard DHTML, Java, or even ActiveX (yuck) would be more sensible business choices.
I think that Google has enough resources to get some programmers to implement a second interface. The biggest problem with an interface is always the definition, not the implementation. But even putting that aside, I think we can agree that ActiveX would cut out the growing number of 'dissenting' browser users that rely on Mozilla (FF), Opera, Konqueror or other non-IE browsers. I think that would be unacceptable.
Standard DHTML may not be able to provide the current user-experience and if it does I expect it to be too bulky and slow. (The 'bulky' argument is particularly important for the numbers of connections that Google is targeting.) Perhaps a 'light' interface could be constructed using DHTML, specifically for use with handhelds, but then I at least would want a way to tell which interface I want with each distinct login. (So that I can use 'light' on the road and normal for the desktop with the same account. Are you listening,
Java... Well, lets nog get into that, shall we?
I think Google did the right thing and I also think that as an addition to the current interface offering, only a XUL interface would bring something extra to the table. I did learn something new about browsing through 'smart devices' and that is valuable. Thanks.
I'm not "climbing on horses", I'm having problems with Gmail on many of the devices and browsers that I use.
Perhaps, but then you may have to bug the providers of those browsers and devices to implement javascript sanely? I don't think Google made a 'dogs-dinner' out of the implementation so I think caveat emptor applies.
You want to look at a 500M mailbox with a handheld over POP3? I think you are a bit naive.
No, I've been called overly optimistic at times but this isn't the time and place: you can view only your un-archived posts over pop3, if I understand correctly. I haven't tried this so it may be a rumour, but that's what I based my remark on. Next time I'll be more specific to begin with.
Yes, it would be the "geeky" thing to do. It just wouldn't be the sensible thing to do.
Please tell me why it wouldn't be the sensible thing to do? I always love a good argument, even if it's contrary to my point of view. This isn't an argument. It is your point of view.
If you want to climb on a horse over the implementation of the interface, remember that javascript works on more than IE alone. In this way most modern browsers are supported, admittedly not some of the simpler handhelds but hey, you can't please everyone. Most 'simpler' handhelds do Pop3 nowadays so they are/will be covered.
Furthermore, if they would like to get on the Geeks good side they should make a XUL version of their interface. That would create the killer-app for XUL in one go.
Alas. I never said I would be doing the sharks a favour... }>
(The enemy of my enemy is not nescesarily my friend, but I may still like its company better.)
Given how things currently are, I'd rather be with the sharks. Even as bait.
Does that tell you anything?
At the risk of being disregarded as belonging to the 'speed before quality' crowd so despised in the forum topic you link to: cdrlabs doesn't have reviews for the Nec ND3500A or the Pioneer DVR-108.
a spx?ArticleId=10114
In other words: put up or shut up. This is just plugging the cdrlabs website which seems like a bunch of whiners for complaining about the quality of others without performing themselves. Especially when the complaints sound like nit-picking.
Furthermore, the one specialist site that does have reviews of most of these drives, cdrinfo, seems to mostly agree with Anandtech, like in their review of the #1 Nec ND3500A so the specialist sites seem not to disagree too much with this 'amateur' review:
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.
Note to mods: these drives aren't as new as people would like you to think, there has been ample time to review these beasts.
If burning of greener pastures (aka 'grass') were the reason for this pollution I think you'd actually have a working argument to get people to stop using drugs. At least over here...
;P
But all kidding asside: what you're seeing is the result of three regions of very dense heavy industry and, for the Dutch part, refineries. As another poster pointed out, the 'Botlek gebied' has probably the highest concentration of petro-chemical industry in the world. Between Rotterdam on the north side, Antwerpen on the south side and the 'Ruhr gebied' on the east side you have enormous concentrations of heavy industries.
And so the Dutch are responsible for heavy pollution in two areas. The other being 'light-pollution' due to our enormous amount of greenhouses. Nice little critters, aren't we?