But they've still got a lot of NS server software available for use at some point, if they can find a good use.
Don't forget AOL Server, which I understand has some advantages over Apache (faster, works well with databases, built around Tcl if that's what floats your boat) and is open source (Mozilla Public License, apparently). Never used it myself, but AOL does.
Check this out: you can't even think of bringing a pair of nail-clippers on an airplane, but that little guy who vacuums the plane between flights isn't even checked for knives, guns, explosive shoes...
Yes he is. Last time I went through airport security, a pilot in uniform went through in front of me. They made him remove his hat so they could check under the brim. Airline employees go through the same security checks as passengers.
do something responsible with that info, like find the person in charge and let them know, give them resources they obviously dont have to get it fixed.
That's probably the best chance you have of getting yourself arrested: telling an airline employee you just accessed their private network without authorization.
Cut AT&T some slack. I am sure more of us are aware of the complexities of adding mx records to DNS and ensuring said changes are propogated out to each and every DNS server out there.
Huh? MX what? What's a POP server? Why doesn't everybody just use Webmail? This Internet thing scares me...
Actually, Webmail is cheaper for tech support, because they don't have to walk everyone through the settings for their mail clients. I don't mind walking somebody through configuring a mail client when they're reasonably competent, but for newbies it can be tedious.
Maybe next time, you will think twice before electing (or letting the court appoint) a president.
There was a bumper sticker about the 2000 election:
"Don't blame me - I voted with the majority."
Your vote for president really makes no difference whatsoever in this kind of situation. What DOES matter is the letters you write to members of Congress. Normally I'd say written letters count more than e-mail, but with the anthrax thing several senators have said they actually want e-mail at the moment.
This law will NOT eliminate 100% of your spam. It's not supposed to. What this law DOES do is ensure that A) all the spam you get that doesn't follow this law is definitely illegal, and can clearly be prosecuted without a second thought, and B) all the spam you get that does adhere to this law, you can easily filter out, and more easily get them to stop sending you more. With time the legal spam will all but disappear, because whole ISPs will filter ADV: subject lines, making it much more difficult for the spammers to get any response. In any case, you won't get it, because you'll just filter it out.
So, you'll be left with illegal spam. Most likely, you will see no reduction in the amount of spam you receive whatsoever. It will just keep coming, as it does now, from spammers who ignore this law.
This law is a good thing because, if you want to actively do something to stop the spammers, and if you can track them down, they can be prosecuted for breaking the law. You may not even have to do this yourself - other California residents will be doing it too.
At the moment this is a California law; hopefully other states will follow this example soon.
You'll notice my post was a reply to this post on Slashdot, which contained the original announcement posted to the MacHTTP list, and mentioned the iMac I was asking about. If you don't wanna follow links you know to be slashdotted already, fine, but at least read the parent of a reply, especially when the parent has already been modded up.
I'm aware that there are a number of ways to connect LocalTalk to an iMac; I listed three possibilities in my post. I was wondering if anyone knew what was used in this particular case.
I'm also aware that IPNetRouter handles MacIP (I've used it, although only for playing with); the post I was replying to mentioned IPNetRouter and I didn't think further comment was necessary.
hmm, TCP/IP via MacIP - that's TCP/IP tunneled over AppleTalk, which would presumably be running over a LocalTalk connection. One problem: the iMac doesn't have LocalTalk (serial) ports. Either he's using a USB-to-LocalTalk adapter, an Ethernet-to-LocalTalk adapter, or has soldered a port onto the motherboard (but I don't think you can do that on the Rev B, my memory's a bit shaky on this issue...).
Yes, we all know how much Microsoft is against anticompetitive bundling.
No, I'm talking about bundling by the phone company. At the moment they're still bundling I think (they're at least running co-branded DSL ads), but in theory, this should stop, and Qwest won't try to push any particular ISP.
IIRC, The debug window spawned by pressing the programmer's button doesn't support it.;)
MacsBug is not an application, it's a system debugger, and it doesn't support copy & paste as far as I know. Older versions didn't support mouse movement.
As much as I hate Microsoft, THIS IS A GOOD THING. Qwest.net (Qwest's ISP, formerly uswest.net) sold out to MSN. That means Qwest (a phone company) is no longer running a residential ISP! That means, hopefully, eventually, no more anticompetitive bundling crap!
Phone companies are natural monopolies, and should not be allowed to compete in other markets such as ISPs. All other dialup and DSL ISPs have to rely on the phone company for the lines; it doesn't make sense that the company they all rely on should also be a competitor.
Northwest Natural Gas (my gas company) is buying Portland General Electric (my electric company). This is fine with me, since PGE's previous owner (Enron) is headed into bankruptcy...
Ctrl+V or Shift+Ins -- both work just fine damn near everywhere. The only app I can think of that has strange pasting is QuickBooks, and maybe other Intuit software. That's it, though.
Telnet in Win95/98/ME doesn't have a shortcut for paste; you have to use Alt-E, P to select it from the Edit menu. QVTTerm uses Alt-V. PuTTY uses right-click. The Command Prompt window in Windows 2000 uses right-click; I think previous MS-DOS Prompt windows required you to select Paste from the Edit submenu of the Application menu (Alt-space, E, P).
Most Windows apps support Ctrl-V, but not all - do you know which ones do and which ones don't? Most Windows apps support Shift-Insert, but not all - do you know which ones? Many support both, a few support neither.
In X, middle-click usually pastes, but some apps are trying to work around the retarded select-to-copy, middle-click-to-paste method, so these apps support Ctrl-V while a middle-click does something else.
Now, find a Mac application in which the shortcut for Paste is not Command-V.
Personally, I'm quite pleased with the support for keyboard shortcuts in Mac OS. They save me time. Yes, there are things I have to use the mouse for - but usually not anything I do frequently, and that's where keyboard shortcuts really speed things up.
If editing text is what you do a lot of, try BBEdit - not only does it make good use of keyboard shortcuts, but if you don't like them, the shortcuts are configurable. Best text editor I've ever seen.
all Apple would have to do is port Aqua over to *BSD repackage it and sell it as OS X for the PC.
Not quite...
They'd have to port it to Darwin/x86, not Free/Net/OpenBSD.
They'd have to port the Cocoa APIs (mostly already done, just need some cleaning up), and the Carbon APIs, in addition to Aqua/Quartz.
Then, every application would have to be recompiled for x86 (certainly possible to get the major ones to do it, and OSX supports cross-platform FAT binaries quite nicely from what I understand. Major apps would certainly do this; less popular or less actively developed software simply wouldn't happen (many apps will never be ported from Classic to Carbon; many more will never be ported from PPC to x86).
If you think you could just use existing *nix apps with the Aqua GUI on top of FreeBSD, not only are you dead wrong (Aqua doesn't use X Windows so no existing apps would work), but you're also forgetting what has always made the Mac platform great: Mac applications.
You can't sit down in front of an unfamiliar system and judge its usability. You have to actually USE it for a month or so, getting real work done on a daily basis. Most people I know who have done that with Macs love Macs now, because the platform is simply better, once you get to know it well enough.
And by the way, it's the platform that's better, not just the OS. Mac applications work in a consistent way, there are standards for how they should behave, there are user interface guidelines to ensure that everything feels right, and users shun poorly-designed apps (such as Microsoft Word 6.0, which was a direct port from the Windows version and felt completely backwards and strange to Mac users). This is where Apple has the real edge - Mac apps have been following these guidelines for YEARS. Most other platforms don't even HAVE guidelines, and those that do only started thinking about them recently.
An example of application consistency: what's a keyboard shortcut to paste something you've copied? Now, list three applications on the same platform that don't do it the same way.
Right there with ya on 9.2.2; I like the UI better, and it supports my printer. I dual-booted for awhile, but when I realized many of my apps were still running in Classic and the native apps didn't run better, I switched back.
I would use OSX anyway, if I didn't also have a Linux box that I can ssh to.
Yes, I have really watched a DivX movie on a Mac. I won't say it works spectacularly well, and I won't say there are a wide variety of players to choose from. I had to load a codec from Windows Media Player 6.3 to get it to work, but it ran just fine. I expect the next release of QuickTime to completely solve the problem.
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But they've still got a lot of NS server software available for use at some point, if they can find a good use.
Don't forget AOL Server, which I understand has some advantages over Apache (faster, works well with databases, built around Tcl if that's what floats your boat) and is open source (Mozilla Public License, apparently). Never used it myself, but AOL does.
Check this out: you can't even think of bringing a pair of nail-clippers on an airplane, but that little guy who vacuums the plane between flights isn't even checked for knives, guns, explosive shoes...
Yes he is. Last time I went through airport security, a pilot in uniform went through in front of me. They made him remove his hat so they could check under the brim. Airline employees go through the same security checks as passengers.
They seem to think paying people a higher wage will cause spontaneous generation of competence...
In a way, it does. Higher pay = lower turnover. The longer most people stay at a job, the more competent they become.
do something responsible with that info, like find the person in charge and let them know, give them resources they obviously dont have to get it fixed.
That's probably the best chance you have of getting yourself arrested: telling an airline employee you just accessed their private network without authorization.
Cut AT&T some slack. I am sure more of us are aware of the complexities of adding mx records to DNS and ensuring said changes are propogated out to each and every DNS server out there.
Huh? MX what? What's a POP server? Why doesn't everybody just use Webmail? This Internet thing scares me...
Actually, Webmail is cheaper for tech support, because they don't have to walk everyone through the settings for their mail clients. I don't mind walking somebody through configuring a mail client when they're reasonably competent, but for newbies it can be tedious.
Slash is starting to turn into a game of d&d. Before you know it I'll have a 'character alignment' based on how people percieve me.
How would you guys describe the character alignments of our esteemed editors?
Maybe next time, you will think twice before electing (or letting the court appoint) a president.
There was a bumper sticker about the 2000 election:
"Don't blame me - I voted with the majority."
Your vote for president really makes no difference whatsoever in this kind of situation. What DOES matter is the letters you write to members of Congress. Normally I'd say written letters count more than e-mail, but with the anthrax thing several senators have said they actually want e-mail at the moment.
This is great?
Yes, this is fantastic! Here's why:
This law will NOT eliminate 100% of your spam. It's not supposed to. What this law DOES do is ensure that A) all the spam you get that doesn't follow this law is definitely illegal, and can clearly be prosecuted without a second thought, and B) all the spam you get that does adhere to this law, you can easily filter out, and more easily get them to stop sending you more. With time the legal spam will all but disappear, because whole ISPs will filter ADV: subject lines, making it much more difficult for the spammers to get any response. In any case, you won't get it, because you'll just filter it out.
So, you'll be left with illegal spam. Most likely, you will see no reduction in the amount of spam you receive whatsoever. It will just keep coming, as it does now, from spammers who ignore this law.
This law is a good thing because, if you want to actively do something to stop the spammers, and if you can track them down, they can be prosecuted for breaking the law. You may not even have to do this yourself - other California residents will be doing it too.
At the moment this is a California law; hopefully other states will follow this example soon.
You'll notice my post was a reply to this post on Slashdot, which contained the original announcement posted to the MacHTTP list, and mentioned the iMac I was asking about. If you don't wanna follow links you know to be slashdotted already, fine, but at least read the parent of a reply, especially when the parent has already been modded up.
I'm aware that there are a number of ways to connect LocalTalk to an iMac; I listed three possibilities in my post. I was wondering if anyone knew what was used in this particular case.
I'm also aware that IPNetRouter handles MacIP (I've used it, although only for playing with); the post I was replying to mentioned IPNetRouter and I didn't think further comment was necessary.
hmm, TCP/IP via MacIP - that's TCP/IP tunneled over AppleTalk, which would presumably be running over a LocalTalk connection. One problem: the iMac doesn't have LocalTalk (serial) ports. Either he's using a USB-to-LocalTalk adapter, an Ethernet-to-LocalTalk adapter, or has soldered a port onto the motherboard (but I don't think you can do that on the Rev B, my memory's a bit shaky on this issue...).
Anyone care to shed some light?
Yes, we all know how much Microsoft is against anticompetitive bundling.
No, I'm talking about bundling by the phone company. At the moment they're still bundling I think (they're at least running co-branded DSL ads), but in theory, this should stop, and Qwest won't try to push any particular ISP.
IIRC, The debug window spawned by pressing the programmer's button doesn't support it. ;)
MacsBug is not an application, it's a system debugger, and it doesn't support copy & paste as far as I know. Older versions didn't support mouse movement.
After running spam through SpamCop, I've noticed that the address globalipx_doesnt_care@devnull.spamcop.net coming up quite often.
Yes, that's the one. Eventually I'll probably try to just firewall them altogether...
As much as I hate Microsoft, THIS IS A GOOD THING. Qwest.net (Qwest's ISP, formerly uswest.net) sold out to MSN. That means Qwest (a phone company) is no longer running a residential ISP! That means, hopefully, eventually, no more anticompetitive bundling crap!
Phone companies are natural monopolies, and should not be allowed to compete in other markets such as ISPs. All other dialup and DSL ISPs have to rely on the phone company for the lines; it doesn't make sense that the company they all rely on should also be a competitor.
Northwest Natural Gas (my gas company) is buying Portland General Electric (my electric company). This is fine with me, since PGE's previous owner (Enron) is headed into bankruptcy...
According to spamcop, about 80% of the websites mentioned in my spam are hosted by Qwest.
Qwest is my local phone company; I don't remember ever seeing them in Spamcop. I've seen GlobalIPX listed quite a few times though.
Ctrl+V or Shift+Ins -- both work just fine damn near everywhere. The only app I can think of that has strange pasting is QuickBooks, and maybe other Intuit software. That's it, though.
Telnet in Win95/98/ME doesn't have a shortcut for paste; you have to use Alt-E, P to select it from the Edit menu. QVTTerm uses Alt-V. PuTTY uses right-click. The Command Prompt window in Windows 2000 uses right-click; I think previous MS-DOS Prompt windows required you to select Paste from the Edit submenu of the Application menu (Alt-space, E, P).
Most Windows apps support Ctrl-V, but not all - do you know which ones do and which ones don't? Most Windows apps support Shift-Insert, but not all - do you know which ones? Many support both, a few support neither.
In X, middle-click usually pastes, but some apps are trying to work around the retarded select-to-copy, middle-click-to-paste method, so these apps support Ctrl-V while a middle-click does something else.
Now, find a Mac application in which the shortcut for Paste is not Command-V.
Personally, I'm quite pleased with the support for keyboard shortcuts in Mac OS. They save me time. Yes, there are things I have to use the mouse for - but usually not anything I do frequently, and that's where keyboard shortcuts really speed things up.
If editing text is what you do a lot of, try BBEdit - not only does it make good use of keyboard shortcuts, but if you don't like them, the shortcuts are configurable. Best text editor I've ever seen.
Where does the Mac lack keyboard shortcuts?
all Apple would have to do is port Aqua over to *BSD repackage it and sell it as OS X for the PC.
Not quite...
They'd have to port it to Darwin/x86, not Free/Net/OpenBSD.
They'd have to port the Cocoa APIs (mostly already done, just need some cleaning up), and the Carbon APIs, in addition to Aqua/Quartz.
Then, every application would have to be recompiled for x86 (certainly possible to get the major ones to do it, and OSX supports cross-platform FAT binaries quite nicely from what I understand. Major apps would certainly do this; less popular or less actively developed software simply wouldn't happen (many apps will never be ported from Classic to Carbon; many more will never be ported from PPC to x86).
If you think you could just use existing *nix apps with the Aqua GUI on top of FreeBSD, not only are you dead wrong (Aqua doesn't use X Windows so no existing apps would work), but you're also forgetting what has always made the Mac platform great: Mac applications.
and it's a crying shame that non-Mac owners will never get to make it their /home.
/Users? ;-)
you mean their
You can't sit down in front of an unfamiliar system and judge its usability. You have to actually USE it for a month or so, getting real work done on a daily basis. Most people I know who have done that with Macs love Macs now, because the platform is simply better, once you get to know it well enough.
And by the way, it's the platform that's better, not just the OS. Mac applications work in a consistent way, there are standards for how they should behave, there are user interface guidelines to ensure that everything feels right, and users shun poorly-designed apps (such as Microsoft Word 6.0, which was a direct port from the Windows version and felt completely backwards and strange to Mac users). This is where Apple has the real edge - Mac apps have been following these guidelines for YEARS. Most other platforms don't even HAVE guidelines, and those that do only started thinking about them recently.
An example of application consistency: what's a keyboard shortcut to paste something you've copied? Now, list three applications on the same platform that don't do it the same way.
Right there with ya on 9.2.2; I like the UI better, and it supports my printer. I dual-booted for awhile, but when I realized many of my apps were still running in Classic and the native apps didn't run better, I switched back.
I would use OSX anyway, if I didn't also have a Linux box that I can ssh to.
The great thing is, a computer with an IBM CPU (such as my parents' old PowerMac 6100/60) isn't IBM-compatible. ;-)
Yes, I have really watched a DivX movie on a Mac. I won't say it works spectacularly well, and I won't say there are a wide variety of players to choose from. I had to load a codec from Windows Media Player 6.3 to get it to work, but it ran just fine. I expect the next release of QuickTime to completely solve the problem.
followers of Mr. Christ...
Just FYI, Christ isn't His last name. Christ in Greek and Messiah in Hebrew both mean "annointed one".