um let me run this scenario by you. you're finishing up your long 226 legal brief in Microsoft word. you go to click file save, but the directory you are saving to has 400 files. windows does some internal file processing and starts eating up the final 10k of available physical memory. swapping begins to occur until your sound card that was playing your favorite midi throws an error because windows did not feed data in time. the sound card drive freaks out, and returns a failure to the midi app. the midi app, not prepared for this, starts an infinite loop eating all of your available memory. eventually you overflow the stack and your windowing system is hosed.
you shake the mouse and click repeatedly hoping to unfreeze the computer. you hit control alt delete, nothing happens. you reset the computer silently hoping word's autosave worked for once.
now, my question to you.. is the above story what you are implying is happening here? (answer this question honestly before you continue)
because that is what happened back in Windows 3.1. Since the creation of modern operating systems, we have learned to take advantage of advanced hardware and separate each application into its own memory space (see: Intro to Operating Systems at your local community college). Thus, a single application should NOT take down your entire system. If an application is causing a BSOD and there is no funky kernel-mode hardware access going on.. the fault is on the hardware or OS (to include drivers as well). Period.
If you wish to debate this, remember that I may have just found a way to compromise your system.
Or it may even be native to the service itself (i think gnutella or edonkey.. one of the two). Anyway, the point is if you search for a certain file and the hash for specific blocks are identical, Shareaza will attempt to download that copy as well. So if you download, say, a 4mb tupac song and suddenly see a 2.5mb britney spears song in the list.. don't cancel the download. It could be that the 2.5mb britney spears song is actually the same tupac song that was renamed and incomplete.
However, there is no reason why the current generation of bittorrent clients don't already support this via DHT...
All you had to do was google trademark and you'd find USPTO which explains how trademarks work. Corporations need trademarks, otherwise I could register a company say i'm releasing gmail before gmail is released and, uh oh, now i'm the trademark holder for gmail. Life doesn't work that way. I for one am quite pleased with the trademark process (this coming from somone having his own company and trademarked name).
Gaim has no right to keep the name if they don't want to fight it. So goes life. Maybe I'm biased because I retain a high profile lawyer and fights like this would not last more than two certified letters.. but if they really thought they weren't breaking AOL's trademark, they could easily find lawyers willing to fight for them. But, I know the gaim team and they are quick to run away with their tails tucked between their legs
remember when AOL threatened about the smiley faces? "upper management" forced the smiley removal from cvs and iirc from a few releases (it was later readded when other projects defied AOL and included smiley faces in their aim-compatible products). that was about that time when i quit the gaim team. adium x seems to be better managed, alas they're strictly OS X:(
Although, i dont understand why you cant change your ISP - what kind of communist neighbourhood do you live in where you can pick your own? Do they regulate your long distance plan too? Your water usage? How Gallons Per Flush your toilet is, and how many FPD (flushes per day) you use?
Something about cable companies paying a metric fuckton in taxes to the local city for non-compete agreements. They don't stop YOU from switching companies, you are welcome to do that. They just don't easily allow any other companies IN to switch to. On a similar note; I'm sure you've heard of alternate energy sources.. maybe even received a few fliers FROM YOUR OWN POWER COMPANY about how to switch away from them. I'm also sure you don't have any alternate energy sources unless you live out in the sticks.
Alas, the people are not exercising their power and we allow it to continue. Write your senator sometime..
To: Graff From: BlizzardAnnouncement@blizzard.com Reply-To: BlizzardSupport@b1izzard.com Subject: Blizzard can no longer find your stored password
Dear World of Warcraft User,
We are unable to find your stored password. As you know, you should only have to input your username and password once to connect to our WoW servers from your gaming machine. Unfortunately, it would appear that you have done one of the following:
- Reinstalled Windows or erased a critical part of World of Warcraft
- Allowed your system to be compromised
- Are playing World of Warcraft from a guest computer (eg. Internet Cafe, etc)
To resolve this problem, simply respond to this email with your initial full name, telephone number, username, password, and last 4 digits of your credit card that you used to sign up. A Blizzard support representative will contact you within the next 48 hours to ensure your system is free of malware and verifies your identity.
We are extremely sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused you and we will credit your account with a free month of service upon reactivation.
no just a long time lurker. i should have a uid in the 5 digit range, but i always posted as AC. when i finally decided to register an account, it was already in the 400,000 range. similar with icq, k5, and audiworld
Judging by your UID, i will assume you are new here and new to IT in general. In The Real World(tm), patches are not applied as soon as they are released. You must test them, most managers are clueless to OS level patches and require the same testing process that, say, application testing goes through. I have seen patches take a week to be approved and put into production and I have worked with companies that have a 30 day delayed patch release schedule.
With that said, no one should be running any insecure applications in production..... but people/organizations do. X servers running as root with all hosts allowed to connect. Passwords with abc123. This is entirely the fault of the admin, but sometimes cannot be altered without beauratic hoopla (all you can do in this case is CYA and make it visible to upper management).
Lastly to quell all these "ZOMG SOLARIS IS TEH SUX0R" comments.. Solaris 10 only enables telnet when the admin specifically requests it during installation. Let me say it again, the admin has a choice to install telnet and enable it during installation. Plus who installs Solaris by hand when you have Flash Archives/Jumpstart to do the work for you?>
you think its okay for media companies to extort helpless people?
example: if someone tried using bittorrent but didn't know anything about firewalls, they could possibly never connect to anyone because they didn't know their machine is firewalled. they live the client running for a day expecting results and they don't transfer a SINGLE byte, in the meantime their client is pinging the tracker. they get pissed at bittorrent and remove it from their computer and return to itunes. a few weeks later they get a letter in the mail saying to pay $1500 or face court. they get scared and paid the $1500 out of little timmy's school fund. this person did not do anything wrong. he made an attempt to do something illegal, but never commited the act. should he still be punished. (analogy warning) if his yugo couldn't do over 55mph but he tried and tried his hardest to break the highway speed limit, should he get a ticket for ATTEMPTING to break the speed limit even though he never did?
a university gets SEVERAL RIAA/MPAA notices a day. if this was a student, say conducting research work, should we allow BayTSP to get away with this? fuck no. so who do we blame? BayTSP for firing off letters to anyone on a tracker or the people who don't stand up to BayTSP and associated companies for what they are doing? Since fear rules nearly everyone, they sure aren't goign to stand up and say they did it (would YOU admit to ordering a RealDoll if the order was messed up and sent to your neighbors?). We need to rally to the government about these companies, but until that happens this is going to be a normal occurance.
btw pick a better analogy, because there's nothing wrong with pot (if you want to have a flamefest we can compare it to legal drugs that do more harm, read: nicotine, alcohol) and i will enjoy wasting your money and my own to get arrested and released until someone realizes our money can be spent in better areas. like our education system
i am crazy in the fact that i like to do extra work at home. akin to reading ahead when i was in school. i get more work finished in a day, then i get to sit back and not be as stressed out at work the next day. all of my coworkers wonder why i'm so upbeat at work. its because i'm not worrying about missing a deadline all day and pissed off when i get home that i'm backlogged with work.
welcome to the world of dynamic loading libraries. crash course time; 1) shell tells os to execute/bin/rm. 2) os notices/bin/rm relies upon/lib/libc.so (among others), loads dependant libraries, links them at runtime and continues to execute/bin/rm 3)/bin/rm removes all files, including/lib/libc.so and/bin/rm (remember they are run from memory not disk.. See How Operating Systems Work 101) 4) you are greeted with a prompt 5) the system hoses itself shortly after*
* - the system can actually hose itself during a race condition while/bin/rm is running. say a kernel thread attempts to access a dependant (non-opened) file that was erased by/bin/rm, etc. best to do rm -rf / while running in single user mode
Its nice how you cut out the remainder of my statement where I specifically say it's like Wordperfect Help in previous versions of Office. I.E. it will say "ARE YOU TRYING TO DO xyz???" and give you instructions on how to do it with the Ribbon. Your "classic" menu is still there, but you are learning how to use the Ribbon at the same time.
You are hideously miseducated. Allow me to bring in some words of wisdom.
I've seen radical departure in Microsoft's IE7, couldn't completely figure it out. Vista (Remember IE 3?)
I've seen a radical departure in Gaim's interface, still scratching my head. I will agree with you, why they didn't model Adium's interface is beyond me. Not to mention, it doesn't really follow any kind of UI standard and leaves the user mindless clicking through all the menus looking for a certain option.
The gist of the discussion was we "had to have" a file menu, and it had to be on the top left of the application even though there was no notion of "File" for this application. The rationale? Because that's the way Microsoft did all of their applications. Microsoft UI Design document recommended a File, Edit and Help menu for all Windows applications. If you don't have it, you risk users thinking your product is inferiour since it doesn't adapt to The Windows Standard(TM). If you still think this is crazy, just boot up your favorite linux distro sometime and look for a UI design standard across the apps.. there is none (or if there is, its loosly enforced giving the presentation of a mismash of second-rate products.
I give Microsoft credit for taking a chance on a radical departure from what I've always thought was a stilted and stupid "required" interface (menus)... I hold little hope they get (got) it right considering Microsoft carried the old standard into the 21st century. Remember Office 6.0 to Office 2000? That was considered a R-A-D-I-C-A-L change. I remembered telling myself I would never learn it and refused to use it for the longest time. After being dumped into the environment I learned it was actually a welcome change. With the Ribbon, I think it has a chance. There will be people who hold onto XP, 2003, etc until Office 2012 comes out.. but they will eventually make the switch and the old UI will look ancient.
I find it curious they offer no way to use the old menu system. I'd be inclined not to want the old way, but for the sake of familiarity, it'd seem the more sane thing to do to offer the old menu interface as an option. Now you're just talking out of your ass. Anyone that's anyone that used Office 2007 knows they can press the Alt button and get all of their old menu's back. Think along the lines of Wordperfect Help that was part of Office 6.0 and 2000.
which begs the question, would we be safe if exposed to bird flu? i personally think i'd get pretty damn sick if bird flu came around.. compared to my roommates who have had a flu vaccine.
it also depends on size as well. we did a digital library project and benchmarked our app with mysql, postgresql, sql server, oracle and db2. the winners? oracle, sql server and db2. postgresql gets an honorable mention. i laugh at mysql.
Don't store any code or anything important on there (like, decryption routines or anything) but at the same time use it as a way faster cache for texture data and sounds.
my 1995 mazda protege did not. my 1995 mazda mx6 does not. my 2000 audi does. however, i can downshift a gear to spool up the turbo while still keeping the a/c engaged when doing things like climbing a mountain or passing a truck. power+cooling on a 4banger budget.
it is not unheard of for the a/c clutch to disengage when the driver commands full throttle
it was for me until i got my last car. and i'm pretty sure this wasn't standard on econocars until the last 5 or so years considering civics, for instance, didn't implement drive by wire until 2001
thats because its cheaper to develop the hardware functions in software. winmodems were a clear example. wireless is the next winmodem. winmodems were held by few market leaders and they made bank off of it, when winmodems were reverse engineered.. clones came out along with a level playing field for unix. the problem is, most of the device is located in the driver. release the driver, companies can make their own cheap wireless devices at broadcom's (for example) expense*.
Intel PRO wireless chipsets do in fact require firmware to be uploaded to the chip before it is used. the solution here is to get the firmware and distribute it with the OS. can't do that with linux because linux Has To Be Free(TM). FreeBSD has it and it works great (</shameless plug>). The long and the short is, a company needs to invest into and prod various hardware vendors to release drivers for a specific OS. IBM (OS/2) did it. Novell (Netware) did it. Redhat is kinda doing it for the server environment. Microsoft is doing it all over the board.
* - broadcom drivers are indeed software based. Watch your cpu usage as you use a linksys compared to, say, and old school lucent card
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um let me run this scenario by you. you're finishing up your long 226 legal brief in Microsoft word. you go to click file save, but the directory you are saving to has 400 files. windows does some internal file processing and starts eating up the final 10k of available physical memory. swapping begins to occur until your sound card that was playing your favorite midi throws an error because windows did not feed data in time. the sound card drive freaks out, and returns a failure to the midi app. the midi app, not prepared for this, starts an infinite loop eating all of your available memory. eventually you overflow the stack and your windowing system is hosed.
you shake the mouse and click repeatedly hoping to unfreeze the computer. you hit control alt delete, nothing happens. you reset the computer silently hoping word's autosave worked for once.
now, my question to you.. is the above story what you are implying is happening here? (answer this question honestly before you continue)
because that is what happened back in Windows 3.1. Since the creation of modern operating systems, we have learned to take advantage of advanced hardware and separate each application into its own memory space (see: Intro to Operating Systems at your local community college). Thus, a single application should NOT take down your entire system. If an application is causing a BSOD and there is no funky kernel-mode hardware access going on.. the fault is on the hardware or OS (to include drivers as well). Period.
If you wish to debate this, remember that I may have just found a way to compromise your system.
Or it may even be native to the service itself (i think gnutella or edonkey.. one of the two). Anyway, the point is if you search for a certain file and the hash for specific blocks are identical, Shareaza will attempt to download that copy as well. So if you download, say, a 4mb tupac song and suddenly see a 2.5mb britney spears song in the list.. don't cancel the download. It could be that the 2.5mb britney spears song is actually the same tupac song that was renamed and incomplete.
However, there is no reason why the current generation of bittorrent clients don't already support this via DHT...
All you had to do was google trademark and you'd find USPTO which explains how trademarks work. Corporations need trademarks, otherwise I could register a company say i'm releasing gmail before gmail is released and, uh oh, now i'm the trademark holder for gmail. Life doesn't work that way. I for one am quite pleased with the trademark process (this coming from somone having his own company and trademarked name).
:(
Gaim has no right to keep the name if they don't want to fight it. So goes life. Maybe I'm biased because I retain a high profile lawyer and fights like this would not last more than two certified letters.. but if they really thought they weren't breaking AOL's trademark, they could easily find lawyers willing to fight for them. But, I know the gaim team and they are quick to run away with their tails tucked between their legs
remember when AOL threatened about the smiley faces? "upper management" forced the smiley removal from cvs and iirc from a few releases (it was later readded when other projects defied AOL and included smiley faces in their aim-compatible products). that was about that time when i quit the gaim team. adium x seems to be better managed, alas they're strictly OS X
Although, i dont understand why you cant change your ISP - what kind of communist neighbourhood do you live in where you can pick your own? Do they regulate your long distance plan too? Your water usage? How Gallons Per Flush your toilet is, and how many FPD (flushes per day) you use?
Something about cable companies paying a metric fuckton in taxes to the local city for non-compete agreements. They don't stop YOU from switching companies, you are welcome to do that. They just don't easily allow any other companies IN to switch to. On a similar note; I'm sure you've heard of alternate energy sources.. maybe even received a few fliers FROM YOUR OWN POWER COMPANY about how to switch away from them. I'm also sure you don't have any alternate energy sources unless you live out in the sticks.
Alas, the people are not exercising their power and we allow it to continue. Write your senator sometime..
To: Graff
From: BlizzardAnnouncement@blizzard.com
Reply-To: BlizzardSupport@b1izzard.com
Subject: Blizzard can no longer find your stored password
Dear World of Warcraft User,
We are unable to find your stored password. As you know, you should only have to input your username and password once to connect to our WoW servers from your gaming machine. Unfortunately, it would appear that you have done one of the following:
- Reinstalled Windows or erased a critical part of World of Warcraft
- Allowed your system to be compromised
- Are playing World of Warcraft from a guest computer (eg. Internet Cafe, etc)
To resolve this problem, simply respond to this email with your initial full name, telephone number, username, password, and last 4 digits of your credit card that you used to sign up. A Blizzard support representative will contact you within the next 48 hours to ensure your system is free of malware and verifies your identity.
We are extremely sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused you and we will credit your account with a free month of service upon reactivation.
Thank you for choosing Blizzard
Blizzard Support
BlizzardSupport@b1izzard.com
no just a long time lurker. i should have a uid in the 5 digit range, but i always posted as AC. when i finally decided to register an account, it was already in the 400,000 range. similar with icq, k5, and audiworld
Costs $25 for a brand new Lexmark printer complete with ink cartridges. Costs $35+ for new ink cartridges. Cheaper just to buy a new printer.
i don't know if its changed, but ink refill kits in the mid 90s sucked and has ruined any positive perception I may have for them now.
Judging by your UID, i will assume you are new here and new to IT in general. In The Real World(tm), patches are not applied as soon as they are released. You must test them, most managers are clueless to OS level patches and require the same testing process that, say, application testing goes through. I have seen patches take a week to be approved and put into production and I have worked with companies that have a 30 day delayed patch release schedule.
With that said, no one should be running any insecure applications in production..... but people/organizations do. X servers running as root with all hosts allowed to connect. Passwords with abc123. This is entirely the fault of the admin, but sometimes cannot be altered without beauratic hoopla (all you can do in this case is CYA and make it visible to upper management).
Lastly to quell all these "ZOMG SOLARIS IS TEH SUX0R" comments.. Solaris 10 only enables telnet when the admin specifically requests it during installation. Let me say it again, the admin has a choice to install telnet and enable it during installation. Plus who installs Solaris by hand when you have Flash Archives/Jumpstart to do the work for you?>
Joker
except it's not... (at least not as of the 10/06 release)
you think its okay for media companies to extort helpless people?
example: if someone tried using bittorrent but didn't know anything about firewalls, they could possibly never connect to anyone because they didn't know their machine is firewalled. they live the client running for a day expecting results and they don't transfer a SINGLE byte, in the meantime their client is pinging the tracker. they get pissed at bittorrent and remove it from their computer and return to itunes. a few weeks later they get a letter in the mail saying to pay $1500 or face court. they get scared and paid the $1500 out of little timmy's school fund. this person did not do anything wrong. he made an attempt to do something illegal, but never commited the act. should he still be punished. (analogy warning) if his yugo couldn't do over 55mph but he tried and tried his hardest to break the highway speed limit, should he get a ticket for ATTEMPTING to break the speed limit even though he never did?
a university gets SEVERAL RIAA/MPAA notices a day. if this was a student, say conducting research work, should we allow BayTSP to get away with this? fuck no. so who do we blame? BayTSP for firing off letters to anyone on a tracker or the people who don't stand up to BayTSP and associated companies for what they are doing? Since fear rules nearly everyone, they sure aren't goign to stand up and say they did it (would YOU admit to ordering a RealDoll if the order was messed up and sent to your neighbors?). We need to rally to the government about these companies, but until that happens this is going to be a normal occurance.
btw pick a better analogy, because there's nothing wrong with pot (if you want to have a flamefest we can compare it to legal drugs that do more harm, read: nicotine, alcohol) and i will enjoy wasting your money and my own to get arrested and released until someone realizes our money can be spent in better areas. like our education system
i am crazy in the fact that i like to do extra work at home. akin to reading ahead when i was in school. i get more work finished in a day, then i get to sit back and not be as stressed out at work the next day. all of my coworkers wonder why i'm so upbeat at work. its because i'm not worrying about missing a deadline all day and pissed off when i get home that i'm backlogged with work.
only if you have a first gen dreamcast. the 2nd iteration solved this problem
EE, how goes it fine sir? :-)
/bin/rm should be statically linked effectively killing step 2, but the above method is still possible if its not a static binary.
welcome to the world of dynamic loading libraries. crash course time; /bin/rm. /bin/rm relies upon /lib/libc.so (among others), loads dependant libraries, links them at runtime and continues to execute /bin/rm /bin/rm removes all files, including /lib/libc.so and /bin/rm (remember they are run from memory not disk.. See How Operating Systems Work 101)
/bin/rm is running. say a kernel thread attempts to access a dependant (non-opened) file that was erased by /bin/rm, etc. best to do rm -rf / while running in single user mode
1) shell tells os to execute
2) os notices
3)
4) you are greeted with a prompt
5) the system hoses itself shortly after*
* - the system can actually hose itself during a race condition while
Its nice how you cut out the remainder of my statement where I specifically say it's like Wordperfect Help in previous versions of Office. I.E. it will say "ARE YOU TRYING TO DO xyz???" and give you instructions on how to do it with the Ribbon. Your "classic" menu is still there, but you are learning how to use the Ribbon at the same time.
You have a 3 digit UID, and you still don't read even the summary?
Welcome to slashdot, you must be new here...
You are hideously miseducated. Allow me to bring in some words of wisdom.
I've seen radical departure in Microsoft's IE7, couldn't completely figure it out.
Vista (Remember IE 3?)
I've seen a radical departure in Gaim's interface, still scratching my head.
I will agree with you, why they didn't model Adium's interface is beyond me. Not to mention, it doesn't really follow any kind of UI standard and leaves the user mindless clicking through all the menus looking for a certain option.
The gist of the discussion was we "had to have" a file menu, and it had to be on the top left of the application even though there was no notion of "File" for this application. The rationale? Because that's the way Microsoft did all of their applications.
Microsoft UI Design document recommended a File, Edit and Help menu for all Windows applications. If you don't have it, you risk users thinking your product is inferiour since it doesn't adapt to The Windows Standard(TM). If you still think this is crazy, just boot up your favorite linux distro sometime and look for a UI design standard across the apps.. there is none (or if there is, its loosly enforced giving the presentation of a mismash of second-rate products.
I give Microsoft credit for taking a chance on a radical departure from what I've always thought was a stilted and stupid "required" interface (menus)... I hold little hope they get (got) it right considering Microsoft carried the old standard into the 21st century.
Remember Office 6.0 to Office 2000? That was considered a R-A-D-I-C-A-L change. I remembered telling myself I would never learn it and refused to use it for the longest time. After being dumped into the environment I learned it was actually a welcome change. With the Ribbon, I think it has a chance. There will be people who hold onto XP, 2003, etc until Office 2012 comes out.. but they will eventually make the switch and the old UI will look ancient.
I find it curious they offer no way to use the old menu system. I'd be inclined not to want the old way, but for the sake of familiarity, it'd seem the more sane thing to do to offer the old menu interface as an option.
Now you're just talking out of your ass. Anyone that's anyone that used Office 2007 knows they can press the Alt button and get all of their old menu's back. Think along the lines of Wordperfect Help that was part of Office 6.0 and 2000.
which begs the question, would we be safe if exposed to bird flu? i personally think i'd get pretty damn sick if bird flu came around.. compared to my roommates who have had a flu vaccine.
it also depends on size as well. we did a digital library project and benchmarked our app with mysql, postgresql, sql server, oracle and db2. the winners? oracle, sql server and db2. postgresql gets an honorable mention. i laugh at mysql.
Don't store any code or anything important on there (like, decryption routines or anything) but at the same time use it as a way faster cache for texture data and sounds.
My XBOX already does this!
a byproduct of drive-by-wire.
my 1995 mazda protege did not. my 1995 mazda mx6 does not. my 2000 audi does. however, i can downshift a gear to spool up the turbo while still keeping the a/c engaged when doing things like climbing a mountain or passing a truck. power+cooling on a 4banger budget.
it is not unheard of for the a/c clutch to disengage when the driver commands full throttle
it was for me until i got my last car. and i'm pretty sure this wasn't standard on econocars until the last 5 or so years considering civics, for instance, didn't implement drive by wire until 2001
thats because its cheaper to develop the hardware functions in software. winmodems were a clear example. wireless is the next winmodem. winmodems were held by few market leaders and they made bank off of it, when winmodems were reverse engineered.. clones came out along with a level playing field for unix. the problem is, most of the device is located in the driver. release the driver, companies can make their own cheap wireless devices at broadcom's (for example) expense*.
Intel PRO wireless chipsets do in fact require firmware to be uploaded to the chip before it is used. the solution here is to get the firmware and distribute it with the OS. can't do that with linux because linux Has To Be Free(TM). FreeBSD has it and it works great (</shameless plug>). The long and the short is, a company needs to invest into and prod various hardware vendors to release drivers for a specific OS. IBM (OS/2) did it. Novell (Netware) did it. Redhat is kinda doing it for the server environment. Microsoft is doing it all over the board.
* - broadcom drivers are indeed software based. Watch your cpu usage as you use a linksys compared to, say, and old school lucent card