This isn't offtopic really. People made a big deal about Safari, but ABrowse (my current beast of a project) has been using KHTML since around 98-99. I'm currently working on the update so our render engine can be more compatible.
Fair enough. Well I am one of the developers from Syllable (Syllable-Net team leader to be exact) so maybe I can answer your question.
The argument of "what's out there isn't good enough" doesn't fly either. You have the source to fix it and make it better!
Have you ever played with the linux internals? Or hacked on X or KDE? If you have, you know its a mess. Syllable is a consistent system built on modern ideas. We don't have 20 years of cruft to fight with everytime we need to make a change or add a feature. This alone is worth the effort.
Now most importantly: Our main developers code on Syllable because its fun. I have a blast throwing ideas back and forth between Vanders, Rick, Kaj, and all the others. If someone has a problem with some specific widget (recently the tab issue in our terminal), we work together to fix it. I don't think any of us are working on this to get rich. For the most part its also the whole "scratch an itch" philosophy. Just because we work on this OS, doesn't mean we'd work on another one. Thats like saying that just because I pirated a copy of Windows that I cost MS $200 because I would of bought it anyway. The world doesn't work like that.
We have a great community, a great project manager in Vanders and great developers. All of us keep our eyes on the user's needs, not on what we as developers want. As time goes on and more infrastructure is laid down, you'll see Syllable become more mature. Simple things that can be a hassle on Linux (gui consistancy, simple application notification through a central Registra, etc) will be in place.
Anyway, don't give up on Syllable yet. In the future it will be much different from Linux, BSD, Windows or anything else. Remember we're not even a year old yet (although AtheOS has been around for a while).
That has nothing to do with the population increasing. People have been having children since we evolved... its what we do.
What is causing this is that people are living longer. More babies + less deaths = More people. However, there is a limit to how long people can live (I believe 120 years and then cells stop regenerating). So no the population isn't going to grow exponentially forever.
Well sure... but do your firewalls have 4 billion year uptimes?
I think its time we start thinking about upgrading to Ozone 2.0. Sure it'll be tough but its backwards compatible and I really like the UV filter that comes installed.
We're talking about a domain name, fucking grow up. This isn't rape. Rape is when someone says no and you do it anyway. This is Laos saying "Hey, pay us and you can use.la". I seriously doubt that LA pressured a country into giving it a TLD. I mean thats just stupid. Its not rape if Laos said yes. Now prostitution maybe... but not rape.
Trial of the Millenia: Day 47 It is now day 47 in the trial that rocked the geek world as SCO prepares to offer 5 more lines of evidence. Opinions have been mixed, has SCO now is suing IBM for mental anguish while Linus Torvalds has responded "[Expletive Deleted] SCO and their [Expletive Deleted] code". Defending lawyers are believed to try and have the case thrown out on the grounds of insanity on SCOs part. Stay tuned for more minute by minute coverage after these commercials.
Something like that? Come on lets add some day time television drama to this.
We certainly have put up quite the discussion;). I know its often used, but what would people rather order? A computer at $200 that does everything they want, or a computer at $350 that does everything they want. With Microsoft, the only option OEMs have is the $350 machine. Except Walmart.
Looks like Hearst paid Mussolini to write articles and tried to pay Hitler also. Thats the first link I could find... Just do a search for Mussolini, Hitler, Hearst and payroll. Hearst was certainly a strange guy. His mansion in california had(has?) kangaroos living in the yard that were imported from Australia.
I'm not saying that Microsoft is the only shitty company. Most companies if not all to a degree crap on each other and their customers. However at one point MS screwed over or has tried to screw over everyone of them.
IBM: OS/2 (it started as a joint venture, MS split to do NT).
Gateway, HP, Dell: Run yes, ship with no and thats Microsoft's fault. Don't even bullshit about how Linux wouldn't sell. Lindows pcs are currently Walmart's top selling product on their website.
Netscape: obviously and was the start of the anti-trust suit.
Lotus: "Windows isn't done, til Lotus won't run"
Sun: Java anyone?
Be: At least they would of had a chance, I'm not saying they had some right to dominate the market or that they would of.
As I said, I have always been able to buy a PC w/o an OS. If you are talking about restrictive licensing deals, that is not a monopoly. Ever been to a Honda/Toyota dealer? You might want to check out how Coke and Pepsi negotiate for shelf space at your local store as well.
Yeah you could. And I could too. Is Grandma going to though, even though she would save money or use a potentially better product? No... because when it comes to the uninformed, there is no choice.
Interestingly enough, I would say "Oil." The economy would continue w/o computers. Shut off the oil, we wouldn't have any juice to run the computers anyway.
Shut off the computers and you're not getting any oil:).
Sorry, I meant Germans. Then again Hearst wanted war with the spanish in the spanish-american war too. Maybe I'm thinking of an incident from then... its been a few years so I may be a little hazy on it.
I heard it awhile back in AP History... so I can't quite come up with it. I may be wrong... if so I apologize. However the sinking of the Lusitania was definitely suspicious and Hearst definitely wanted war with the spanish. some stuff here
I'll keep looking, I would hate to think that something I think is right actually is wrong:/.
Ma Bell is AT&T. Want to know how big they were? Verizon, Bell South, Lucent and the current AT&T all were created from the breakup after they lost the anti-trust suit.
How about you go ask IBM, Lotus, Novel, Be, Apple, Dell, Gateway, HP/Compaq, AOL, Netscape, Sun and Real what they think about Microsoft?
When I have to worry about my office product being compatible with Microsoft Office, thats a problem.
When I have to worry if I can use my bank's online processing because I'm not using IE, thats bad.
If computer manufactors are threatened to lose their precious Windows rebates if they sell computers with other operating systems, thats an illegal monopoly.
When Microsoft pays the game stores to plaster customers with XBOX stuff, thats also bad.
What Microsoft wants to control everything that runs on a computer, thats scary.
Don't get me wrong, I used to love Microsoft. Then I used to think they were funny. It was just funny watching them walk around doing whatever they want. You had to love the arrogance. But once the anti-trust stuff happened, it wasn't funny anymore.
But, somehow people on/. are shocked that the good guys might be the target of a suit without merit. Should have thought about that when M$ got sued.
For someone who knows about Standard Oil and Hearst and his paper empire, you sure are clueless when it comes to Microsoft. When Standard Oil was big, what was the most important "tech" then? Industry and more importantly Oil.
Hearst is a non-issue, he was just an asshole (his home in california is beautiful however). When the lusitania was blown up and his paper printed it 5 hours before it happened, thats pretty fucked up.
Now what is the most important industry? Now what company over the last 20 years has been the most influencial in said industry? Now what is the current state of that industry?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying things are fucked because of Microsoft. But they do play a key role and the illegal monopoly charge was very deserved.
For Microsoft, the $750 million payment is not exactly a significant dent in its cash hoard of more than $46 billion.
Do you realize how much money that is? So how did this work? Microsoft use's its monopoly to establish another one in web browsers through unfair business practices (which they were because Microsoft is a monopoly) and years later just pays $750 million to make it go away.
Essentially Microsoft just bought the browser wars . Thats a scary thought... and makes me wonder, has the US ever seen a company quite like Microsoft? Someone that expands and conquerors so easily. Someone who in a few years could hold a monopoly on 3 or more different industries. This is nuts. I doubt Standard Oil was ever this big. Maybe AT&T but even thats streching it. Hell, Microsoft even won its anti-trust case.
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This isn't offtopic really. People made a big deal about Safari, but ABrowse (my current beast of a project) has been using KHTML since around 98-99. I'm currently working on the update so our render engine can be more compatible.
Fair enough.
Well I am one of the developers from Syllable (Syllable-Net team leader to be exact) so maybe I can answer your question.
The argument of "what's out there isn't good enough" doesn't fly either. You have the source to fix it and make it better!
Have you ever played with the linux internals? Or hacked on X or KDE? If you have, you know its a mess. Syllable is a consistent system built on modern ideas. We don't have 20 years of cruft to fight with everytime we need to make a change or add a feature. This alone is worth the effort.
Now most importantly: Our main developers code on Syllable because its fun. I have a blast throwing ideas back and forth between Vanders, Rick, Kaj, and all the others. If someone has a problem with some specific widget (recently the tab issue in our terminal), we work together to fix it. I don't think any of us are working on this to get rich. For the most part its also the whole "scratch an itch" philosophy. Just because we work on this OS, doesn't mean we'd work on another one. Thats like saying that just because I pirated a copy of Windows that I cost MS $200 because I would of bought it anyway. The world doesn't work like that.
We have a great community, a great project manager in Vanders and great developers. All of us keep our eyes on the user's needs, not on what we as developers want. As time goes on and more infrastructure is laid down, you'll see Syllable become more mature. Simple things that can be a hassle on Linux (gui consistancy, simple application notification through a central Registra, etc) will be in place.
Anyway, don't give up on Syllable yet. In the future it will be much different from Linux, BSD, Windows or anything else. Remember we're not even a year old yet (although AtheOS has been around for a while).
Fine. Semantics. At one point we were much more "ape-like". Happy?
We reproduce. Thats what we do. But since you need it spelled out:
At some point some apes evolved into what could be classified as "Human".
Humans have been having children ever since then (otherwise we wouldn't be here).
Hence, People have been having children since we evolved.
I may not have used the best grammar but the message is there.
That has nothing to do with the population increasing. People have been having children since we evolved... its what we do.
What is causing this is that people are living longer. More babies + less deaths = More people.
However, there is a limit to how long people can live (I believe 120 years and then cells stop regenerating). So no the population isn't going to grow exponentially forever.
Well sure... but do your firewalls have 4 billion year uptimes?
I think its time we start thinking about upgrading to Ozone 2.0. Sure it'll be tough but its backwards compatible and I really like the UV filter that comes installed.
We're talking about a domain name, fucking grow up. This isn't rape. Rape is when someone says no and you do it anyway. This is Laos saying "Hey, pay us and you can use .la". I seriously doubt that LA pressured a country into giving it a TLD. I mean thats just stupid. Its not rape if Laos said yes. Now prostitution maybe... but not rape.
Hey editors and who ever submits these stories:
Can we do this OJ style? For example:
Trial of the Millenia: Day 47
It is now day 47 in the trial that rocked the geek world as SCO prepares to offer 5 more lines of evidence. Opinions have been mixed, has SCO now is suing IBM for mental anguish while Linus Torvalds has responded "[Expletive Deleted] SCO and their [Expletive Deleted] code". Defending lawyers are believed to try and have the case thrown out on the grounds of insanity on SCOs part. Stay tuned for more minute by minute coverage after these commercials.
Something like that? Come on lets add some day time television drama to this.
No and no, :).
I don't see a problem...
I'm pretty sure I can make the odds of someone dying in an auto accident about 100%. I can't do that for the lottery.
so you'll be thumping your nose at those people who told you lotteries are for people who are bad at math
You mean after they haven't won and have spent $5 a day for 20 years?
Personally I'd like to have my 36,000.
Q) What is a lottery (in the US sense of the word)?
A) A tax for people bad at math.
I'm pretty sure that was covered by step 2 ;).
You are right, check my reply to my own comment :).
We certainly have put up quite the discussion ;).
I know its often used, but what would people rather order?
A computer at $200 that does everything they want, or a computer at $350 that does everything they want.
With Microsoft, the only option OEMs have is the $350 machine. Except Walmart.
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Looks like Hearst paid Mussolini to write articles and tried to pay Hitler also. Thats the first link I could find... Just do a search for Mussolini, Hitler, Hearst and payroll.
Hearst was certainly a strange guy. His mansion in california had(has?) kangaroos living in the yard that were imported from Australia.
If true, thats certainly interesting. Can you back that up with any links?
I'm not saying that Microsoft is the only shitty company. Most companies if not all to a degree crap on each other and their customers. However at one point MS screwed over or has tried to screw over everyone of them.
:).
IBM: OS/2 (it started as a joint venture, MS split to do NT).
Gateway, HP, Dell: Run yes, ship with no and thats Microsoft's fault. Don't even bullshit about how Linux wouldn't sell. Lindows pcs are currently Walmart's top selling product on their website.
Netscape: obviously and was the start of the anti-trust suit.
Lotus: "Windows isn't done, til Lotus won't run"
Sun: Java anyone?
Be: At least they would of had a chance, I'm not saying they had some right to dominate the market or that they would of.
As I said, I have always been able to buy a PC w/o an OS. If you are talking about restrictive licensing deals, that is not a monopoly. Ever been to a Honda/Toyota dealer? You might want to check out how Coke and Pepsi negotiate for shelf space at your local store as well.
Yeah you could. And I could too. Is Grandma going to though, even though she would save money or use a potentially better product? No... because when it comes to the uninformed, there is no choice.
Interestingly enough, I would say "Oil." The economy would continue w/o computers. Shut off the oil, we wouldn't have any juice to run the computers anyway.
Shut off the computers and you're not getting any oil
Fair enough, we disagree.
Works for me.
My mistake... I was thinking of the U.S.S Maine and the spanish-american war.
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Sorry, I meant Germans. Then again Hearst wanted war with the spanish in the spanish-american war too. Maybe I'm thinking of an incident from then... its been a few years so I may be a little hazy on it.
I heard it awhile back in AP History... so I can't quite come up with it. I may be wrong... if so I apologize. However the sinking of the Lusitania was definitely suspicious and Hearst definitely wanted war with the spanish.
:/.
some stuff here
I'll keep looking, I would hate to think that something I think is right actually is wrong
Thanks, for calling me on this.
Ma Bell is AT&T.
Want to know how big they were?
Verizon, Bell South, Lucent and the current AT&T all were created from the breakup after they lost the anti-trust suit.
Mods, don't mod this guy down. He has some points... we do have a tendencie to bash Microsoft on slashdot without asking why.
:).
I may not agree with him, but thats why I replied
I'll call your bluff.
/. are shocked that the good guys might be the target of a suit without merit. Should have thought about that when M$ got sued.
How about you go ask IBM, Lotus, Novel, Be, Apple, Dell, Gateway, HP/Compaq, AOL, Netscape, Sun and Real what they think about Microsoft?
When I have to worry about my office product being compatible with Microsoft Office, thats a problem.
When I have to worry if I can use my bank's online processing because I'm not using IE, thats bad.
If computer manufactors are threatened to lose their precious Windows rebates if they sell computers with other operating systems, thats an illegal monopoly.
When Microsoft pays the game stores to plaster customers with XBOX stuff, thats also bad.
What Microsoft wants to control everything that runs on a computer, thats scary.
Don't get me wrong, I used to love Microsoft. Then I used to think they were funny. It was just funny watching them walk around doing whatever they want. You had to love the arrogance. But once the anti-trust stuff happened, it wasn't funny anymore.
But, somehow people on
For someone who knows about Standard Oil and Hearst and his paper empire, you sure are clueless when it comes to Microsoft.
When Standard Oil was big, what was the most important "tech" then? Industry and more importantly Oil.
Hearst is a non-issue, he was just an asshole (his home in california is beautiful however). When the lusitania was blown up and his paper printed it 5 hours before it happened, thats pretty fucked up.
Now what is the most important industry?
Now what company over the last 20 years has been the most influencial in said industry?
Now what is the current state of that industry?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying things are fucked because of Microsoft. But they do play a key role and the illegal monopoly charge was very deserved.
For Microsoft, the $750 million payment is not exactly a significant dent in its cash hoard of more than $46 billion.
Do you realize how much money that is? So how did this work? Microsoft use's its monopoly to establish another one in web browsers through unfair business practices (which they were because Microsoft is a monopoly) and years later just pays $750 million to make it go away.
Essentially Microsoft just bought the browser wars . Thats a scary thought... and makes me wonder, has the US ever seen a company quite like Microsoft? Someone that expands and conquerors so easily. Someone who in a few years could hold a monopoly on 3 or more different industries. This is nuts. I doubt Standard Oil was ever this big. Maybe AT&T but even thats streching it. Hell, Microsoft even won its anti-trust case.
This is getting kind of scary *crawls into hole*.