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Los Angeles Gets Own TLD

DM420 writes "On June 9th, Los Angeles officially becomes the world's first city to have its own Internet domain.Great to hear since one day I hope to be an owner of my own TLD and this is a step in the right direction. ;) The registry is located at www.la and further details at DMnews.com" Looks like an Irish firm made a deal with Laos to use the .la TLD. Looks to be on the pricier side of domains, though.

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  1. Article by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wait wait wait, "officially"? Isn't the .la TLD still officially assigned to Laos, and they've just cut a deal with some company to promote it as a Los Angeles TLD, just like the TLDs of Western Samoa, Tuvalu and Belize are promoted as "Web Site", "Television" and "Business" respectively? Does the City of Los Angeles even know about this?

    Seriously, this isn't worthy of a news article. It's just a country trying to make money and a company trying to make more money by trying to trick people into believing that anyone cares. If ICANN had assigned a TLD to a city, THAT would be news.

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    1. Re:Article by MikeFM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These deals always strike me as lame. I can understand why poorer countries do this but I count the companies that cut the deals among the cheesier entities online.. right after spammers and porn sites. Do we really want to advertise for these clowns?

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    2. Re:Article by ergonal · · Score: 1

      I agree with everything you've said, but one wonders about how much of a slice the Laos Government is actually getting? I hope the % they're getting is a lot higher than that of your regular RIAA-affiliated artist.

    3. Re:Article by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These deals always strike me as lame. I can understand why poorer countries do this but I count the companies that cut the deals among the cheesier entities online.. right after spammers and porn sites. Do we really want to advertise for these clowns?

      I agree. This is the second completely retarded article I've seen in 6 hours.

      They're trying to promote "hooker.la" and "coke.la" as "premium names" for $100. It doesn't get much sleazier than that.

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    4. Re:Article by sumbry · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wait wait wait, "officially"? Isn't the .la TLD still officially assigned to Laos, and they've just cut a deal with some company to promote it as a Los Angeles TLD, just like the TLDs of Western Samoa, Tuvalu and Belize are promoted as "Web Site", "Television" and "Business" respectively? Does the City of Los Angeles even know about this?

      Not only is this old news, but it's years old. This company has been registering .la TLDs with the Los Angeles spin for *years*.

    5. Re:Article by SEE · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope the Laos Government is getting totally screwed. Laos's government is one of the sixteen Most Repressive Regimes on Earth.

    6. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Whether or not the actual event was dumb, I don't see that having a slashdot article about it is. Plenty of people may want to know that companies are doing this sort of thing -- and slashdoters love to 'discus' disliked companies.

    7. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may not know this. But you can check it out and get microsoft.la before microsoft hears of it.

    8. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that was meent to be 'discuss' by the way.

    9. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't it look fishy to you that USA are not on this list? Well guess what, the list was compiled by... Americans. Go figure!

    10. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USA is not one of the sixteen most repressive regimes on Earth. The political climate here may be depressing, and certainly it does need to improve and we should do something about it, but you have to admit that people in some other countries have it much worse.

    11. Re:Article by Archie+Steel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's also one of the poorest. A good case can be made that if the country hadn't been bombed back to the stone age by the U.S. during the Vietnam War (for no really good reason, either, since the U.S. lost anyway), then perhaps they'd have a nicer country to live in. War and widespread destruction will damage a country's social fabric, you know...that kind of environment can sometimes be good breeding grounds for totalitarian regimes.

      I do hope that Laos is getting a good deal out of this, but I also hope that Laotians in general will benefit from some of it.

      In the meantime, check out the Jhai foundation, they do some pretty good stuff. The chair of the Jhai foundation actually participated as part of a bomber crew during the Vietnam war. Having brought pain to this part of the world, he now wants to make amends by bringing peace and the internet to Loatian villagers. He's also part of Veterans for Peace and a really decent guy.

      In any case, it'd be some sweet irony that one of the poorest nations on Earth would get some money for selling TLDs to one of the richiest part of the world... :-)

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    12. Re:Article by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And even beter, look at the source of the FA: The Online Newspaper of Record for Direct Marketers. They sound like a group we'd all like to help promote their scummy plan to deprive a whole fourth world country of their domain (yes, I know they bought it, so did 18th C slavers when buying their merchandise). So now there's a "yahoo.la", etc, etc. That really fills a need.

    13. Re:Article by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 0

      I hope the Laos Government is getting totally screwed. Laos's government is one of the sixteen Most Repressive Regimes on Earth.

      Amen brotha. God willing, one day all repressive regimes will end up like the Saddam regime - blown to bits.

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    14. Re:Article by GreenHairedDave · · Score: 1

      In related news, I just registered Microsoft.la

      Heh. I couldn't resist. I know it's a hundred bucks. But think of what I could get for it on ebay!

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    15. Re:Article by citog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... mainly the ones that the USA 'frees'? :-)

    16. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone that's ever been to Los Angeles knows the city is really no big deal.

      Most parts of the city look like shit. Sunland, Pacoima, The Strip (South LA)

      And please, will somebody please tell me what is at Hollywood & Vine other than a crosswalk, traffic signal, and bald, fat lakers-jersey wearing gangbangers (which seem to infest most of the city)?

    17. Re:Article by MikeFM · · Score: 3, Funny

      Remind me to get crapo.la. The perfect name for the perfect TDL. :P

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    18. Re:Article by DAVEO · · Score: 1

      Or the lawsuits through WIPO, unless you agree to unequivocally hand over rights to the domain upon notification from the MS legal department!

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    19. Re:Article by PyroMosh · · Score: 1

      Hey! Now that was uncalled for!

      As a porn site owner, I find being lumped in with spammers and these clowns a bit offensive.

    20. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'll go for fa-la-la-la-la-la-la-la.la -- it'll be just the thing to kick-start my online Xmas biz!

    21. Re:Article by Uart · · Score: 1

      That link presents an interesting question to me... Why does the UK have 2 TLD's? .uk and .gb???

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    22. Re:Article by binary+tr011 · · Score: 1

      man where do you live?
      I am so impressed that you knew about the shithole where I live :)

      I actually got a flyer in the mail awhile ago to register a page though I threw it away.

    23. Re:Article by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Why does the US have 3, .us .gov .mil ?

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    24. Re:Article by sumbry · · Score: 1

      man where do you live? I am so impressed that you knew about the shithole where I live :)

      In South Los Angeles, born and raised
      on the playground is where I spent most of my days

    25. Re:Article by outsider007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      namb.la

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    26. Re:Article by pork_spies · · Score: 1

      If ICANN had assigned a TLD to a city

      They have ... http://www.checkurl.info/standard/tld/va

    27. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because one if the United Kingdom (.uk) and the other is Great Britian (.gb) They're two different things, but it isn't worth explaining it right now because it simply wouldn't be that interesting to someone outside of the UK/GB. Ah well.

    28. Re:Article by Uart · · Score: 1

      technically, aren't .com .org and .mil universal TLDs?

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    29. Re:Article by mpe · · Score: 1

      These deals always strike me as lame. I can understand why poorer countries do this but I count the companies that cut the deals among the cheesier entities online.. right after spammers and porn sites.

      Also the original poster calls this a "step in the right direction". IMHO this is yet another step in the wrong direction.
      If people in California were to start aquiring Laotian telephone numbers and postal addresses no-one would think this was sensible. Most likely they'd think that any business doing this was highly dodgy. If the city of Los Angeles wants it's own domain what's wrong with la.ca.us or even the-angels.ca.us ?

    30. Re:Article by thales · · Score: 1

      Since the vast majority of US Bombing was aimed at the Ho Chi Minh trail, a "stone age" road that met the needs of the NVA rather than serving as infrastructure for the Lationan peoples, the "case" that it's America's fault that Laos is poor dosen't hold water. Laos was a poor nation before the war, and likely would have remained poor even if the Hanoi regime hadn't involved them in thier "war of liberation" by using thier territory to provide operational and logistic support for the war in South Viet Nam.

      A Far better case can be made that if the US had prevailed the Lation government would be far less repressive than the current regime. The repressive nature of the Pathet Lao was known 40 years ago, befor the first bomb fell, but that didn't stop the Left from aiding thier rise to power by underminning the US war effort in SE Asia.

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    31. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope the Laos Government is getting totally screwed. Laos's government is one of the sixteen Most Repressive Regimes on Earth.

      With quite a few of those listed at least part of the problem is interference from Western governments. Specifically the USA, UK and France. There are also some obvious omissions e.g. Israel and USA (Hawaii).

    32. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USA is not one of the sixteen most repressive regimes on Earth.

      But it is responsible for creating and sustaining several of these.

      The political climate here may be depressing, and certainly it does need to improve and we should do something about it

      That's putting it mildly. When a substantial part of the US Congress appears to put the interests of a foreign government ahead of the interests of the USA far stronger terms might be appropriate.

      but you have to admit that people in some other countries have it much worse.

      There are also countries which have a more democratic political system than the US, a freer press, etc. The difference is these countries don't tend to go around claiming to be the "land of the free" whilst at the same time passing laws to restrict people's freedoms; bankrolling opressive governments and terrorist groups; invading countries which don't have the ability to defend themselves; etc.

    33. Re:Article by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      technically gov and mil are, but the us hoardes them anyway

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    34. Re:Article by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1

      They even had shitty TV adverts back in 2001, saying that "some things are just cool", like James Dean, blah blah blah, and LA, and obviously a .la domain would be cool too. Looks like that didn't work very well, given that they're re-launching now and pretending that never happened.

    35. Re:Article by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

      Does the city of Los Angeles really need a top level domain when the state of California already has .cx?

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    36. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If ICANN had assigned a TLD to a city, THAT would be news.
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    37. Re:Article by sharkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      namb.la
      You're a Brando look-alike?

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    38. Re:Article by Archie+Steel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tens, if not hundred of thousands of Laotian civilians were killed in U.S. bombing runs over Laos. I'll bet ya they weren't all right on the Ho Chi Minh trail, whose strategic importance was later minimized by the U.S. government itself. You may think that thousans upon thousands of civilian killed, entire communities being wiped out by carpet bombing, doesn't have an effect on a country's development. I tend to disagree, and so do most sensible people.

      The U.S. "war effort" in SE Asia was a misguided and unjust colonial war, perhaps one of the last of its kind. I find it puzzling that some people still try to defend it. The "red scare" arguments can't even be used, since it's now generally accepted that the main reason that Ho Chi Minh went Communist is that the U.S. sided with France.

      This was not a communist revolution, it was a war of liberation for the Viet-cong. The only reason they went for communist support is that these were the only one who would help them. This is why the vietnames people overwhelmingly supported the North, even in the South, a fact that the U.S. failed to understand and which led to its resounding (and costly) defeat.

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    39. Re:Article by Skjellifetti · · Score: 1

      Laos owned it? I'd always assumed that .la was assigned to Lower Alabama. Learn something new every day.

    40. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you should go talk to S Vietnamese people before claiming that most people in the south supported Ho Chi Minh. I've not spoken to anyone from the south who thought Ho Chi Minh was better than their existing corrupt regime.

    41. Re:Article by WinterSolstice · · Score: 1

      Ouch. It is so sad that I not only recognized that obscure reference, I actually snickered.

      I can't believe that is still taking up room somewhere in the dark recesses of my skull...

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    42. Re:Article by bastardadmin · · Score: 1

      It's not only not worthy of an article, it isn't even news. People in and around Toronto have been doing this with .to (Tonga) since 1997.

    43. Re:Article by mal3 · · Score: 1

      "invading countries which don't have the ability to defend themselves"

      That's everybody. I suppose we could throw a few wars just to make you feel better though.

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    44. Re:Article by operagost · · Score: 1

      I wonder which is worse, South L.A. or West Philly. Now, West Philly is ghetto, but it's better than the North side, which is unsafe at any speed.

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    45. Re:Article by Archie+Steel · · Score: 1

      Support for the Viet Cong in the South during the war was so high that the U.S. had to bomb the countryside in order to provoke mass exodus towards refugee camps, where contacts between the general populace and the "enemy" were much more difficult. And I can no longer talk to S Vietnamese people, since Viet-Nam is now united. We are talking about what was the situation during the war, not what it is now. Please pay attention.

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    46. Re:Article by Xandar01 · · Score: 1

      Technically, USA has more than three of the global TLDs "sponsored."
      http://www.icann.org/tlds/

      My question is why do you feel that "technically gov and mil are, but the us hoardes them anyway" is a bad thing?
      (as you posted below in http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=67464&cid=6189 441)

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    47. Re:Article by mattsucks · · Score: 1

      some others ...

      hu.la - every link circles right back to the home page
      shino.la - sister domain to sh.it
      ebo.la - as if Outlook doesn't provide virii enough
      lo.la - La la la la lo la
      cocaco.la - surely this is taken
      mazo.la - yeah, but we call it maize
      ayatol.la - the FBI/CIA/DepHS will be all over you
      lego.la/s - okay, this is stretching a bit for a LoTR reference
      eno.la - for WWII buffs

    48. Re:Article by Squonk01 · · Score: 0

      It's never too early to go Christmas shopping:
      falalala.la

    49. Re:Article by N3WBI3 · · Score: 1

      Yea its not like we built the damn internet why should we have .gov and .mil who started arpanet...

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    50. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn! We came in at 17.

    51. Re:Article by JamieF · · Score: 1

      What?

      Oh, I get it. Hey, that's pretty funny.

    52. Re:Article by no+reason+to+be+here · · Score: 1

      eno.la

      that's so gay!

      *ducks*

    53. Re:Article by MCZapf · · Score: 1

      Los Angeles already has http://www.la.ca.us/, which is a beautifully succinct, yet detailed, URL, IMHO.

    54. Re:Article by darien · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. The US loves to brag about the ideals of its constitution, but on the international stage it consistently betrays them. It teaches its children that "all men are created equal", but in practice it exploits
      many millions of people worldwide for its own benefit. I find it sickening.

      This isn't intended as a dig at any ordinary American citizen; the many Americans I've met have generally been intelligent, genial, generous and self-effacing. But I have nothing but contempt and hatred for the arrogance and hypocrisy of the US government.

    55. Re:Article by thales · · Score: 1

      " Tens, if not hundred of thousands of Laotian civilians were killed in U.S. bombing runs over Laos" Did you pull that range of numbers out of your ass, or off some leftwing web site? The figures I seen most often for the Laotian war was 50 to 60 thousand dead about a third killed by laotians fighting laotians, and about two thirds killed by the NVA invaders.

      "The U.S. "war effort" in SE Asia was a misguided and unjust colonial war" You are correct about it being a colonial war, but dead wrong about which side was the Imperial power. The Hanoi regime not only subjegated the southern half of Viet Nam, but also reduced the Pathet Lao to a puppet government, and after the 1979 invasion removed the even more deplorable Khemer Rouge, turned Cambodia into a virtual Colony of Viet Nam.

      "This was not a communist revolution, it was a war of liberation for the Viet-cong" The Viet Cong never recovered from the losses sustained in the Tet Offensive in 1968. From then on the brunt of the war fell on the NVA either fighting as NVA units, or as "replacements" in Viet Cong units. It wasn't a revoulation or a war of liberation, it was a military conquest by an expanionist power in Hanoi.

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    56. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is China and that has Most Favoured Nation status!

    57. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just find it interesting that this classification is given by `Freedom House' which is 100% American, and I quote `All united in the view that American leadership in international affairs is essential to the cause of human rights and freedoms' (Appendix C).

      Well and good. Now how is it that we find the old American nemesis in the list: Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, Lybia, China (twice!), North Korea, Syria, Somalia, Russia (plus a number of ex-USSR republics) and of course Laos? I noticed the old American dubious allies did not make it in the list: Indonesia, Pakistan for example.

      OK, all of the 16 countries are bad, but I've been to Laos, China, Burma, Morocco and Vietnam ; and I've also been to Pakistan -- on the ground it seemed at the time that Pakistan was the worst. No way I could live there. To me this classification is possibly a bit dubious.

      I would trust an independent international report on that subject a bit more. Maybe the Amnesty International reports?

    58. Re:Article by Archie+Steel · · Score: 1

      Obviously we're of a different opinion on this. BTW, 50 to 60 thousands falls in the range between 10 and hundred thousand, so what's your point? I think you pulled that one-third/two-third figure out of your ass, though - typical for apologists of the war in southeast asia. Since you must have serious sources, why don't you give a link for them? Oh, and "some rightwing website" won't do...

      "Subjugated" the south? The south supported the Viet-Cong, not the puppet regime propped up by the U.S. Nice try rewriting history - or should I say, repeating the official line the U.S. government back in those days kept repeating. Who are you, a former member of the Lyndon Johnson cabinet? Even McNamara now concedes that the war was a mistake - get over it!

      It wasn't a revoulation or a war of liberation, it was a military conquest by an expanionist power in Hanoi.

      Yeah, sure. Fighting to kick out a foreing invader who had no business in that part of the world is a "military conquest by an expansionist power." I bet you believed Bush when he said that he had "solid proof" that Saddam had stockpiles of WMDs ready to be used at any moment!

      The american right-winger's first commendment: never admit when you're country's been wrong. The second one: find a way to blame everything on those "whining liberals." The third one: the end justifies the means, even if the means require the slaughter of thousands of innocents. The fourth one: the market is king, and governments should never interfere, except of course when it comes to military spending. The fifth one: when in doubt, blame Clinton. The sixth one: whatever happens, there is no greenhouse effect. The seventh one: even though they've been robbed of a future for 35 years, Palestinians are responsible for their own plight, and Israel must not be criticizes. The eigth one: always say that the media is liberal, even though it's not true. The ninth one: retort to personal attacks when facts aren't with you. The tenth one: if all fails, accuse opponents of being anti-american.

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    59. Re:Article by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Because mil and gov are supposed to be international domains, and not just restricted to american agencies

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    60. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YHBT. YHL. HAND.

    61. Re:Article by alexo · · Score: 1

      > Having brought pain to this part of the world, he now wants to make amends by bringing peace and the internet to Loatian villagers.

      Nice to know that somebody got their priorities straight.

    62. Re:Article by Archie+Steel · · Score: 1

      Communication is an important aspect of being part of the international community. Obviously, no one can bring peace and prosperity all in one package. What's important is that those who want to help do their little part, according to their ability.

      I see much irony coming from you, but ask yourself: have you done your part?

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    63. Re:Article by alexo · · Score: 1

      > Communication is an important aspect of being part of the international community.

      Indeed. However, I am sure that these Laotian villagers that you've mentioned would prefer, say, a better road system to the internet. I also suspect that better telecom and electricity infrastructure would be needed. (source).

      > Obviously, no one can bring peace and prosperity all in one package.

      Obviously, no one can bring peace and prosperity period. Those have to be "generated" by the people. I agree that they can use all the help they can get but see below.

      > What's important is that those who want to help do their little part, according to their ability.

      Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

      > I see much irony coming from you, but ask yourself: have you done your part?

      Yes, I do ask myself this question sometimes, then I answer it and so far I have been reasonably satisfied with my answer. Of course, not having bombed anyone "back to the stone age", I don't have much to atone for.

      As Galen put it: Primum non nocere.

    64. Re:Article by Archie+Steel · · Score: 1

      We don't disagree - I also think that it's more important to have food, shelter, healthcare and power than pedal-powered Internet. But it serves a purpose, and it was what the Jhai Foundation could offer. In any case, the Laotian villagers seem happy. I have to say, I've always been amazed at how quickly the Internet has caught on in developing countries (mostly because of e-mail, really - after all, it offers quick communications often at a lesser cost than the telephone, especially when contacting family members overseas). I remember being in India 15 years ago, and seeing photos a friend took of some of the same places I visited then as the look now: "Internet cafes" everywhere!

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  2. A more deserving city does not exist by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Funny
    I can't wait to see the logo for the official city site, a wonderful college in honor of such an amazing city: A pimp strolling down the av', jack-slap cocked and ready, aimed at a cowering hoe..... The blurred image of a 1990 Honda Civic racing through Watts - gang bangers adorned in blue dew rags and wielding automatic weapons hanging from the windows, teeth capped in magnificent gold..... A heavily armed police officer forcing a terrified black youth to the pavement amidst a flurry of panic - night stick held high and proud, ready to strike.

    A finer city does not exist, and a no city deserves it's own domain more then the great Los Angelas.

    1. Re:A more deserving city does not exist by cruppel · · Score: 1

      LA College? I think they have whole Universities there.

      On the other hand, that scene you described would make a fine collage.

    2. Re:A more deserving city does not exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats obviously what he meant. You are teh ghey.

    3. Re:A more deserving city does not exist by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      A pimp strolling down the av', jack-slap cocked and ready, aimed at a cowering hoe

      Hey, I lived in the L.A. area for a long time, and I have only seen one hoe the entire time. Just one.........and she was too damned expensive.

    4. Re:A more deserving city does not exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, it's funny. If you had said the same kind of thing about a downtrodden [city | ethnic group | nation | continent ]...well...you wouldn't have, because people don't do that anymore. It's not socially acceptable.

      Exceptions: white people, the U.S., Europeans, fundamentalists, [and now, L.A., apparently] or any other group deemed acceptable for general group bashing.

      I know you were trying to be funny. But my point is that it wouldn't have been funny if you were talking about blacks, asians, Buddhists, Swaziland, Calcutta, the poor, or any other group on the "sensitive" list.

      The double standard is getting old. And no, just because there was a reverse double standard for hundreds or thousands of years doesn't make it right to turn it around. It's wrong because stereotype-bashing is wrong, period.

    5. Re:A more deserving city does not exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely. LA City College turned into Cal State University, Los Angeles a long time ago. =)

    6. Re:A more deserving city does not exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm... Los Angeles is a collection of suburbs.

      It's not a real city.

    7. Re:A more deserving city does not exist by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      I nominate one of these images: http://nofuncharlie.com/LA/fear.html

    8. Re:A more deserving city does not exist by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      Well you're not looking in the right (or wrong, depending on your perspective) places. There are tons of hoes in LA. And depending on how you define hoe... well, let's just say there are oodles of hollywood hotties who will do anything to get close to the entertainment industry. Whether that makes them hoes is really about interpretation.

    9. Re:A more deserving city does not exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get it, sorry the others are too dense.

    10. Re:A more deserving city does not exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm... Los Angeles is a collection of suburbs.

      That's because Los Angeles means at least three different things.

      1. Most people outside of California use L.A. (or Los Angeles) to mean the whole Southern California area, which includes Ventura, Riverside, San Bernardino, Los Angeles, and Orange Counties. Basically everything between Santa Barbara and San Diego.

      2. When Southern Californians say L.A., they usually either mean L.A. County (in which case, you're right, L.A. county is a collection of suburbs), or

      3. L.A. City, which is very much NOT a collection of suburbs. It's an urban area like any other (except it has really crappy mass transit).

    11. Re:A more deserving city does not exist by mattsucks · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the promo trailer for the next Grand Theft Auto.

  3. And .uk = ucky? by NumberField · · Score: 2, Informative
    This isn't a Los Angeles domain anymore than the .TV domain is for TV stations. (FYI, it's for the island of Tuvalu, which gets a bit of revenue by letting VeriSign control its domain.)

    Using this argument, I guess the .uk domain is reserved for ucky food?

    1. Re:And .uk = ucky? by Cliffy03 · · Score: 1
      Using this argument, I guess the .uk domain is reserved for ucky food?

      One Word "Marmite"
      --
      In Soviet Russia, Nigel makes plans for you!
    2. Re:And .uk = ucky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here I thought .TV was transvestite...
      Maybe .LA will be the same?

    3. Re:And .uk = ucky? by mlk · · Score: 1

      to replace .uk or to be guest of honour under it?

      Maybe they can work the cost based on taste, thus marmite.uk would be free, as would mcds.uk while drpeppers.uk would cost a small fortune.

      --
      Wow, I should not post when knackered.
    4. Re:And .uk = ucky? by Malc · · Score: 1

      "ucky" food? What language are you talking? Is that like "yucky" food?

    5. Re:And .uk = ucky? by red+floyd · · Score: 1

      I guess the .uk domain is reserved for ucky food?

      Isn't that kind of redundant, given the general stereotype of British cuisine?

      --
      The only reason we have the rights we have is that people just like us died to gain those rights. -- Cheerio Boy
    6. Re:And .uk = ucky? by Jellybob · · Score: 1

      "British" cuisine... it doesn't exist.

      It's just a mix of other country's cuisine, with the odd bit of clotted pig's blood in the mix.

      (And I live here)

  4. LA????? by Got-Tea-Rolls · · Score: 5, Funny

    Won't this be confusing when the state of Louisiana gets its own domain?

    1. Re:LA????? by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Won't this be confusing when the state of Louisiana gets its own domain?

      Not at all, because Louisiana already has .la.us, and .la will be quickly forgotten. :-)

      --
      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    2. Re:LA????? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Louisiana's domain will be .cajun y'all.

    3. Re:LA????? by thynk · · Score: 1

      So... does this mean that once it's forgotten I can snag up la.la for a kids teletubby fan site?

      HOLY COW these things are expensive. I just registered a .org name today (stfrancis-of-assisi.org) for $8.95/yr and they want $50.00 a year for 2 years for a .la according to www.la . DAMN, that's kind of high.

      Some other TLDs I'd like to see... .WTF .RTFM .RTFA .BOFH .FNG .SNAFU .FUBAR

      --

      Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.
    4. Re:LA????? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Louisiana already has .la.us Which makes the point that LA's domain really should be something like .la.ca.us

    5. Re:LA????? by tilrman · · Score: 1

      What'll really be confusing is when Georgia tries to get .ga and finds that it had .ge all along.

    6. Re:LA????? by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

      It already is la.ca.us. Take a look.

      Now, Louisiana needs to hijack the TLD from Norway, so that its finest city also has its own TLD!!

    7. Re:LA????? by NihilSmurf · · Score: 1

      Even more confusing is that .la.us can be pronounced "la-us", which sounds like "Laos".

  5. Pr0n connection? by slagdogg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Given that most of the world's porn comes out of the Los Angeles area, I'm pretty far from surprised.

    --
    (Score:-1, Wrong)
    1. Re:Pr0n connection? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      Yeah take a look at the "premium" domains for sale at double the fee - one of them is "hookers.la"

    2. Re:Pr0n connection? by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not most of the world's watchable pr0n. My vote goes to Prague ;-)

    3. Re:Pr0n connection? by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough, I just pointed my browser to the home page for L.A. and saw a list of recently registered domain names.

      fizzyco.la
      sluts.la
      infosec.la
      insu.la
      motor cylce.la

      Number 2 is entirely appropriate for this sordid little topic.

      And I'd hate to be the sucker who's just signed up for a mis-spelled domain name at $50/year. Wonder how long it'll take before his kind friends point out that motorcylce.la is somewhat, errm, unlikely?

    4. Re:Pr0n connection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recently registered:
      sluts.la

    5. Re:Pr0n connection? by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Oola.la!

      --
      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  6. oh MAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who's dick do I have to suck to get la.la.la .. oh boy.. I need that domain!!

    PS: If this article was written before June 9 I think /. is a little behind in the submission queue...

    1. Re:oh MAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      http://do.re.me.fa.so.la/ti/do

  7. Should they be promoting this? by pgpckt · · Score: 5, Funny


    From the www.la page.....

    Premium Names

    coke.la $100.00
    hooker.la $100.00
    pharmaceutical.la $100.00
    consultancy.la $100.00

    Could raise some "red" flags.

    --
    Lawrence Lessig is my personal hero.
    1. Re:Should they be promoting this? by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Note that this TLD has absolutely nothing to do with the City of Los Angeles; the city probably doesn't even know about it.

      --
      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    2. Re:Should they be promoting this? by cscx · · Score: 4, Funny

      hooker.la $100.00

      Yeah but .la is really Laos.

      Me so horny! Get it...remember...the war? Nevermind... :D

    3. Re:Should they be promoting this? by Kris_J · · Score: 1
      Could raise some "red" flags.
      Red lights more likely.
    4. Re:Should they be promoting this? by billatq · · Score: 1

      From the www.la page.....

      Premium Names

      coke.la $100.00
      hooker.la $100.00
      pharmaceutical.la $100.00
      consultancy.la $100.00

      Could raise some "red" flags

      There are a number of other amusing ones on their "premium domains page":

      http://www.la/premium.cgi

      Oh, and I got a good laugh at the ones it generated for me:
      condom.la
      studio.la
      smog.la
      governor.la

    5. Re:Should they be promoting this? by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      The real question is how long it will be before goatse.la gets reserved.

    6. Re:Should they be promoting this? by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Coke.la is gonna be a big red flag even of itself. The Coca-Cola Company has been good at buying up every one of its trademarks in all of these TLDs that get sold towards the USA audience defensively so that nobody can try to cybersquat them or further deminish their "Coke" brand with drug references...

    7. Re:Should they be promoting this? by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Interesting
      the last 50 registered .la domains:
      fucknut.la, gilligan.la, sip.la, motels.la, hotbodies.la, agent.la, boob.la, dotcom.la, professionals.la, techsupport.la, friends.la, boyfriends.la, transexuals.la, fags.la, classifieds.la, nguyen.la, intercoo.la, main.la, main-street.la, postproductions.la, 90210.la, dirtysluts.la, zil.la, specialfx.la, mediatemple.la, jump.la, hel.la, teens.la, easylistening.la, microsoft.la, milf.la, thisdomainsucks.la, exit.la, wrestling.la, lazoo.la, disney.la, lay.la, phantom.la, standup-comedy.la, kenpo.la, decoro.la, areo.la, wann.la, designs.la, guess.la, limited.la, filmeditor.la, musica.la, allure.la, concerts.la

      A classy neighbourhood (or should that be 'hood)

    8. Re:Should they be promoting this? by tcopeland · · Score: 1

      > Get it...remember...the war?

      Whatever you do, don't mention the war!

    9. Re:Should they be promoting this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot a few:
      faggotsrus.la
      queer.la
      gayh-clinton.la

    10. Re:Should they be promoting this? by JamieF · · Score: 1

      Ah, and now the brillance of the .la scam is revealed: Big Dumb Companies will immediately buy their domain name under your TLD just to protect their name. Try going to http://www.microsoft.la/ or http://www.cartoonnetwork.la/ ... nuttin' (at the time I write this, anyway). if it were cheaper I'd be tempted to register la.la, so I could create la.la.la.la.la.la.la.la.la.la and tra.la.la etc.

    11. Re:Should they be promoting this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like Malaysian English gone wild!

  8. pffbt. by ergonal · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Laos can do what they like with their CTLD. They can whore it out to whoever they want. Seen the prices on the "good" .tv domains? Think .tv domains are used for Tuvalu citizens?

    1. Re:pffbt. by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2, Informative

      If by "used for Tuvalu citizens" you mean "pull some money into a dirt-poor country so that maybe the economy will grow and everyone can afford running water and electricity someday" -- then yes.

      --
      And the brethren went away edified.
  9. Why not? by eidechse · · Score: 1

    It's a separate country...or maybe even a planet. ;)

    1. Re:Why not? by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a separate country...or maybe even a planet. ;)

      Do you mean Los Angeles or Laos?

      --
      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    2. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could someone explain to me why this was modded up as funny?

  10. That's just stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry, but it is. We should be moving away from geographical boundaries. And the fact is, there's already .ca.us, which I'm sure could have a .la.ca.us domain.

  11. Re:If this is not the first post... by sebmol · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    enjoy

    --
    "Light is faster than sound." - "Is that why people tend to look bright until you hear them speak?"
  12. Sounds lucrative by Mannerism · · Score: 5, Funny

    In related news, Cambodia has changed its name to Nymbodia and applied to ISO for a new digraph.

  13. Look closer by bcwalrus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On the right hand column at www.la, it lists the recently registered. Guess what? The first one is adultsonly.la, the second one is adults.la.

    Great.

  14. Hey hey by Raul654 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't you know an urban warfare training ground when you see one?

    --


    To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
    --E.C. Stanton
  15. Why do they need top domains? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    Why do we need more top level domains? It's already getting too expensive to protect sites - I ain't a freaking money making corporation, and I don't want folks that troll my site to take out my domain name with a new TLD suffix in order to slam my site when it comes up in a google search.

    That's all I need - some Hollywood guy grabbing my .com/.net/.org name under a .tv or .la domain then using deep pockets and lawyers on call to sue MY site away from ME.

    It's fricking BOGUS - It's just a way to milk large corporations for money to protect the copyright, and it ends up screwing the little guys like me.

    --
    _ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
    1. Re:Why do they need top domains? by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why do we need more top level domains?

      This isn't a new TLD, it's an old one that's been sold.

      Personally, the new TLD I'd like to see is "movie", as in www.spider-man.movie or www.matrix.movie or www.lotr.movie. It should be available to movie producers only (not just Hollywood studios, but independent and foreign as well).

      Every movie has a web site now, and none of the URLs are consistent at all. If they had a .movie TLD, maybe they could quit polluting .com?

      --
      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    2. Re:Why do they need top domains? by bfree · · Score: 1

      Sorry but if you are silly enough to try and protect your domain by buying up all the TLDs then you already had the .la and if you don't buy them all why would you suddenly buy the .la now just because one company is trying to promote the domain?

      --

      Never underestimate the dark side of the Source

    3. Re:Why do they need top domains? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      .la was already out there?

      Where's the full list of top level domains?

      --
      _ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
    4. Re:Why do they need top domains? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld.htm for more info...

      http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm if you don't want to read the info...

    5. Re:Why do they need top domains? by mlk · · Score: 1

      all the country codes + org, net etc

      http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm

      --
      Wow, I should not post when knackered.
    6. Re:Why do they need top domains? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Personally, the new TLD I'd like to see is "movie"... Every movie has a web site now, and none of the URLs are consistent at all.

      Most of the movie sites disappear shortly after first release. It's a drag when you hit on a lot of dead links to a movie you find on TV or DVD and want to find out more.

      Sometimes the page just directs to something like "movietitle.sony.com", which would be fine, but aften that 404s too. So a ".movie" domain would just be a graveyard of evanescent sites. TLDs are just a way to sell addresses, totally unreliable to organise information. I just use a movie site like rottentomatoes, IMDB, or of course Google.

    7. Re:Why do they need top domains? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      Yeah, there's a clear need for "my.home.movie", "sex.movie", "armageddon.com.movie".

      Why not buy something like "movieredirect.com", and sell subdomains to Hollywood (and other) producers?

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    8. Re:Why do they need top domains? by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, there's a clear need for "my.home.movie", "sex.movie", "armageddon.com.movie".

      I was envisioning strict rules governing who can get a .movie domain. Perhaps one stipulation could be that porn movies wouldn't qualify. I haven't given a lot of thought to what the rules should be.

      --
      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    9. Re:Why do they need top domains? by yobbo · · Score: 1

      .us for united states

      lol

      Show me one american company that doesn't consider .com to be the US domain.

    10. Re:Why do they need top domains? by mlk · · Score: 1

      Most British companys also conisder having a .com vital (to the point of them being ripped of with uk.com).

      --
      Wow, I should not post when knackered.
  16. So much for my Diablo fan page... by Longinus · · Score: 1

    ...keke.la is already registered :(.

    1. Re:So much for my Diablo fan page... by cioxx · · Score: 1

      but ZergRush.la and WillGiveSOJ.la are still available

  17. Better yet by John+Jorsett · · Score: 2, Funny

    www.We'reBrokeSoWe'reRaisingYourTaxes

  18. oola.la by baba · · Score: 2, Funny

    Darn, it's already taken.

    1. Re:oola.la by TiMac · · Score: 1
      Well...you could always offer to buy it from them for more moo.la

      Oh....I crack myself up :)

      --

    2. Re:oola.la by PygmySurfer · · Score: 1

      Well, how about oohla.la?

    3. Re:oola.la by R-66Y · · Score: 0

      Perhaps a fan of Oola living in Los Angeles? *shrug* It could happen.

      Later,
      Patrick

    4. Re:oola.la by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      I guess I just don't know what all the hoop.la is about. :)

  19. Golden Gate Bridge? by bschmitt · · Score: 1

    Hey I think that was the same people trying to sell me the golden gate bridge....

  20. Open NIC Open Source TLD's by Lord+Prox · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just a quickie to plug OpenNIC. It's nifty, like www.yournamehere.geek. Or even create your own TLD altogeather. Someone should tell LA about this. I already emailed the mayor of Long Beach (just south of LA) but she is an idiot. Talked to her a few times, then helped another canidate with his campagne aginster her. I'm just getting off topic hre aren't I. The point being I am having a tough time getting any local govt to listen to reason to open source/alternate IT/anything not sole by a big name crop.

    Drives me insane. Sorry for the rant.

    1. Re:Open NIC Open Source TLD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because you're a fucking tool? OpenNIC is such a ridiculous idea... it's like anarchy for the Internet.

    2. Re:Open NIC Open Source TLD's by great+throwdini · · Score: 0, Troll
      [OpenNIC]'s nifty, like www.yournamehere.geek. Or even create your own TLD altog[e]ther ... I am having a tough time getting any local govt to listen to ... alternate IT.

      And yet your personal /. link is a .net - so nifty you're trying to talk local governments into adopting it, not nifty enough to use yourself. What to make of this, I don't know.

    3. Re:Open NIC Open Source TLD's by Lord+Prox · · Score: 3, Informative

      And yet your personal /. link is a .net - so nifty you're trying to talk local governments into adopting it, not nifty enough to use yourself. What to make of this, I don't know.

      A valid question, with a valid answer...

      1. Starting your own TLD isn't quite like a domain. It is a significant commitment to that TLD and all the domains that might register in it. That is more work than I wanted to do for the sake of ego. In addition there is a ratifacation process before you can reg the TLD (to ensure it will be put to good use of name space and prevent TLD squatting)
      2. I have thought of reg'ing a domain in the .geek TLD... responsibilities for that are much less. (I would only have th be responsible for the hosts and running the authoritive DNS for that) 3. An entity like the City of Long Beach would have the resources and use for a full TLD, coupled to the fact that they are trying to attract tech business away from neighboring SoCal cities it would be a good choice for them (at least I think so) and it would be a big boost for OpenNIC as well.

      Mabey it would be good. Mabey not. There may be technical considerations I am not aware of or other things (non-technical) as well. It was a suggestion.

      Note: My earlier reference to the mayor O'Neil being not-so-bright was not based on this matter. Rather on several other interactions I have had with her. Including her reference to the city of Long Beach as being land locked. We have (I think) the second busiest port in california and a request for suggestions to help with the cities budget problems, to which I suggested GNU/Linux, OpenOffice etc, that fell on deaf ears. As well a few financial mini-scandals involving a retirement funds and street lights.

      At last we have the fact that supporting OpenNIC is going to irratate ICANN. I don't like tyrants, I thinking that ICANN is looking more and more like that.

    4. Re:Open NIC Open Source TLD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OpenNIC is a silly idea that should have every one of its root level DNS servers disconnected from the entire internet, and then razed to the ground. Seriously. Take your anoying namespace poluting anarchy elsewhere.

    5. Re:Open NIC Open Source TLD's by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      OpenNIC is also opennic.glue:
      OpenNIC but the trouble is that you have your computer configured to use their domain servers, or you can't see any of the .glue, .geek, etc. TLDs.

      --
      Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
    6. Re:Open NIC Open Source TLD's by Takeel · · Score: 1

      An entity like the City of Long Beach would have the resources and use for a full TLD, coupled to the fact that they are trying to attract tech business away from neighboring SoCal cities it would be a good choice for them (at least I think so) and it would be a big boost for OpenNIC as well.

      Kickin' it in tha' .lbc, awwwwwwwww yeah.

    7. Re:Open NIC Open Source TLD's by happystink · · Score: 1

      Maybe you aren't taken seriously because of your spelling. Seriously.

      --

      sig:
      See the "..for smart people" banners Wired runs here? Look elsewhere guys.

  21. Look out... by eidechse · · Score: 5, Funny

    New York is gonna be pissed.

    1. Re:Look out... by trainsnpep · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I'm sorry that you take this so lightly. New York City is the financial capital of the world. Yeah, I know .la wasn't done "correctly," but where the heck is the .nyc TLD?!

      --
      --<Mike>--
    2. Re:Look out... by cscx · · Score: 1

      It already exists... it's called .biz

    3. Re:Look out... by NickV · · Score: 1

      Well if it makes you feel any better, I think NYC is the only city in America that has a second level domain name under .gov for itself... (ie the official NYC gov web site is nyc.gov).

      So yea.. and our MTA (and i'm sure there are a ton of organizations called MTAs) is just mta.info :)

    4. Re:Look out... by ShadowDrake · · Score: 1

      phoenix.gov

      (Phoenix, Arizona)

      --
      It's just like a fascist dictatorship, without the punctual rail service!
    5. Re:Look out... by SpaceCadetTrav · · Score: 1

      Los Angeles has mta.net.

    6. Re:Look out... by nfsilkey · · Score: 1

      But nyc.gov is sexy.

      Yeah.. a little too sexy.

  22. bah by Wakkow · · Score: 5, Funny

    What crapo.la. It can be yours for only $50! Too bad I don't have that much moo.la to spare.

    Sorry.. That was really bad.

    1. Re:bah by wessto · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm a sucker...I just registered hoop.la just because I could. Oh well. What do I do with it now?

    2. Re:bah by Ratcrow · · Score: 1

      I could think of a number of other possibilities, like the pig-latin Linux fansite:

      inux.la ...or the browser project page:

      mozil.la

      I think it's time to just do a (grep "la$" /usr/share/dict/words) and simply register everything that appears.

    3. Re:bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thank you, that was the funniest thing I have read all day. you have brought a smile to my face as I sit here toiling on my phd dissertation. thank you.

    4. Re:bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wondering how much return on investment you could get out of registering payo.la.
      Just watch out for those "protection" visits.

    5. Re:bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obvious: Vhosts :D

  23. Why not under .us? by unsinged+int · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cities should not have TLDs. There's too many of them. At the very least they should be under a .us domain or, even better, under a .ca.us domain.

    1. Re:Why not under .us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already have la.ca.us. The city government domain even has a web page.

    2. Re:Why not under .us? by psykocrime · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cities should not have TLDs. There's too many of them. At the very least they should be under a .us domain or, even better, under a .ca.us domain.

      Why are there too many? Why should there even be a limit on the number of TLD's? If you really think about it, what significance does a TLD really have? It's just one small part of a globally unique identifier...

      I mean, yeah, nominally the TLD's mean something... but in practice, whatever geographic or functional distinctions are supposed to exist between the TLD's, are ignored. Take my own website for example... it's registered in .co.uk, even though I live in Chapel Hill, NC, USA, not Great Britian. They (the registrars) don't seem to enforce many (if any) restrictions on TLD's, so why worry about them?

      As long as it's unique, I don't see any reason why I shouldn't be able to have a domain like:

      phillip.rhodes.loves.elisabeth.shue

      or whatever.

      --
      // TODO: Insert Cool Sig
    3. Re:Why not under .us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, this'll be the most sensible thing to laypeople, even if it's a bit longwinded....

      ********.losangeles.ca.us
      ********.newyork.ny.u s
      ********.friendsville.tn.us
      ********.london.uk
      ********.montreal.on.ca

      Very close to what a snailmail address sounds like, easy to remember for people who have had that nomenclature hammered into their brains all their lives.... could even set up a double system where someone can use the zip code, like *****.10102.us . And it's enforceable, you just verify the zip code from the billing address of the client.

      But, that's just common sense, so it'll never fly :)

    4. Re:Why not under .us? by The+Monster · · Score: 2, Informative
      Why are there too many? [TLDs]
      For the same reason why you have directories on your hard drive. There's no reason in theory why you must have them, but a hierarchical delegation of namespace prevents unfortunate collisions. It allows grouping of files based on software packages - dare I say that the Windows scheme of \Program Files\Vendor Name\Product Name is actually pretty decent, because it has a clear delegation of authority, and only sucks because typing long names with spaces at a command line is unfun? (Cygwin saves my sanity with bash tab completion... how hard would it have been to call it \Programs, and leave the extra word out?)If every software vendor insisted on having a [/\]Product Name directory, your root directory would be a mess.

      When the Internet first started out, it was a project of a USGOV agency. As soon as it became international, there was a recognition of the fact that governments like to exercise this thing called 'sovereignty' over their territories. So, in addition to the 3-letter TLDs that they started out with, they assigned 2-letter country codes so that every country on the planet could feel like it exercised sovereignty its part of the Internet.

      Now, here's the tricky part... Since the government of the City (or County for that matter) of Los Angeles has no sovereignty -- no authority other than what is delegated to it by the State of California and the Constitution of the United States of America, there is no reason for there to exist a separate TLD for it.

      Unless and until the court decision of Grant v Lee (look it up - it was decided at Appomatox Courthouse) is reversed and Los Angeles secedes from the Union to form a city-state, .la.ca.us is just fine. It spells out exactly the lines of authority.

      It positively drives me nuts, for instance, that my state's Department of Revenue is ksrevenue.org instead of revenue.ks.us like it should be, and the main site for state info is accesskansas.org . . . ORG? Please.

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    5. Re:Why not under .us? by Jardine · · Score: 1

      ********.montreal.on.ca

      Uh, .on? Where did you learn geography? Montreal is in Quebec so their domain would be montreal.qc.ca

      Good concept though and something used by most cities in Canada.

    6. Re:Why not under .us? by tilrman · · Score: 1

      I've found http://www.tcl.tk/ rather handy. Anybody know any good sites for other (more useful) scripting languages in St. Helena (.sh), Poland (.pl), Paraguay (.py), etc.? Or maybe some good linker help in Sierra Leone (.sl) or Somalia (.so)? Sound files from Australia (.au)?

    7. Re:Why not under .us? by psykocrime · · Score: 1
      It positively drives me nuts, for instance, that my state's Department of Revenue is ksrevenue.org instead of revenue.ks.us like it should be, and the main site for state info is accesskansas.org . . . ORG? Please.

      That's a good example of what I'm talking about. The TLD's aren't being used the way they were meant to be used anyway, so why bother caring about them. Besides, you don't browse the 'Net in the same sense that you browse the directories on your hard drive.... At least in my experience, most of my 'Net surfing is driven through:

      • hyperlinks from another site
      • bookmarks
      • memorization (of a specific url)
      • search engines
      albeit not necessarily in that order. So, for me at least, the thing about having the 'Net organized like a hard drive is pretty much irrelevant.
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    8. Re:Why not under .us? by nachoboy · · Score: 1

      sucks because typing long names with spaces at a command line is unfun? (Cygwin saves my sanity with bash tab completion... how hard would it have been to call it \Programs, and leave the extra word out?)

      Command line completion has been a native feature of Windows since Windows 2000. Simply add a registry key
      [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor]
      "CompletionChar"=dword:00000009
      to use the tab key for auto completion. You can also add the key to the HKLM tree to apply to all users. Just make sure you're using the real command processor (cmd.exe) and not its bastard step-sibling from the 9X line (command.com).

      On a side note, the reason this is not the default is because the programmer in charge of this area thought that there may be users with a legitimate use for typing a tab on the command line, like grep'ing for something with a tab character. Someone made the point that 1) there is probably a significantly larger number of users who would gain more use of the tab key for completion and 2) those users who *would* want to actually type a tab character are probably the ones savvy enough to change this setting to their liking. The point was taken, and the tab key is indeed the default completion character in Windows XP and above.

    9. Re:Why not under .us? by arth1 · · Score: 1
      Why are there too many? Why should there even be a limit on the number of TLD's? If you really think about it, what significance does a TLD really have? It's just one small part of a globally unique identifier...

      The reason is the same as why you have an index in a book. You can scan all the pages until you find what you want, but it's much easier to look it up. It's even easier to look up "Word" by looking up "W" first.

      The way the DNS system works, it delegates the lookups based on the top level domain to other servers, who sometimes delegates them again. If everything was in one big list, it would slow down lookups quite a bit.

      Right now, a company in Germany, let's call it geschellschaft.de, would not burden the root nameservers with looking up all hosts for this domain. Instead, once a nameserver has looked up .de, it caches and knows for future reference that everything under .de should be asked for on one of the servers dedicated to serve .de. A query for geschellschaft.de won't have to hit the root name servers at all if someone earlier queried for bier.de. This greatly reduces traffic, and also tends to keep country-based lookups local.

      For over-used top level domains like .com, the lookup times can be much higher, because of the high load, and inability to quickly look up every single name under them. Even with hashing, it takes time to look up millions of entries.

      In this case, .la.ca.us would make much more sense, as the lookups would be mostly from US users, of which the largest part would be Californian users, of which the largest part would be Los Angeles users. The users most likely to access the domains there would get much quicker responses, and increase the usefulness of caching.

      As for reassigning country domains for other use, I consider it criminal -- the worst TLD mess-up since Internic (later Network Solutions) turned the blind eye to registrations in .org and .net for people, businesses and organizations that didn't qualify. The statutes clearly stated that .org was for non profit organizations only, and .net for network providers only. I'm surprised they haven't started selling .gov and .edu addresses to everyone too.

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    10. Re:Why not under .us? by mandalayx · · Score: 1

      Doesn't the Constitution say that all rights not explicitly granted to the federal government are not within the jurisdiction of the federales?

    11. Re:Why not under .us? by Dusabre · · Score: 1

      There is a theoretical reason to have directories on your drive.

      To allow multiple files to share the same names. And differ in their content and usage.

      Now I know that all files can have different names but this would require everybody using a computer to register the file names they create to a central register. Otherwise - massive file overwriting.

    12. Re:Why not under .us? by mpe · · Score: 1

      Why are there too many? Why should there even be a limit on the number of TLD's? If you really think about it, what significance does a TLD really have?

      Why bother with country and area codes in telephone numbers? Why bother with having postal addresses?
      The point is that a well designed hirarchical system is that it is relativly easy for humans to understand.

    13. Re:Why not under .us? by mpe · · Score: 1

      Right now, a company in Germany, let's call it geschellschaft.de, would not burden the root nameservers with looking up all hosts for this domain. Instead, once a nameserver has looked up .de, it caches and knows for future reference that everything under .de should be asked for on one of the servers dedicated to serve .de. A query for geschellschaft.de won't have to hit the root name servers at all if someone earlier queried for bier.de.

      There is an urban legand that the .de system was so logical that the German post office could deliver "snail mail" with just an email addres on the envelope.

    14. Re:Why not under .us? by The+Monster · · Score: 1
      Doesn't the Constitution say that all rights not explicitly granted to the federal government are not within the jurisdiction of the federales?
      Yes, but the court settlement to which I alluded, Grant v Lee, was a key precedent in changing the interpretation of those words. Under the Interstate Commerce Clause, Congress can (and I believe already has, to some extent) take control over US Internet activity. After all, it was DOD that originally designed and funded it.

      As much as I'd love to have the Supremes find a fundamental right to exchange ones and zeroes in the penumbra of the Constitution, I don't think it's going to happen. In fact, I think we're going the opposite direction...

      Welcome to the US Constitution.
      Please login: root
      Password:
      drugs

      # passwd

      Please enter new password for 'root': terrorism
      Please re-enter new password: terrorism
      #

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    15. Re:Why not under .us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PQ (Province de Québec) not QC. Montréal, PQ, Canada => montreal.pq.ca.

    16. Re:Why not under .us? by catfood · · Score: 1
      It positively drives me nuts, for instance, that my state's Department of Revenue is ksrevenue.org instead of revenue.ks.us like it should be, and the main site for state info is accesskansas.org . . . ORG? Please.

      Actually, it should be revenue.state.ks.us, as state agencies have .state.$STATE.us reserved.

      But don't get me started on atrocities like cityofcleveland.org.

    17. Re:Why not under .us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Province de Québec...

      Province du Québec, and it is dot qc dot ca.

    18. Re:Why not under .us? by theanorak · · Score: 1

      I know that the TLD regulations were relaxed, then them more or less abandoned, and that many places (including the UK) aren't that bothered if people from outside the UK register URLs there, but... I think it makes sense to restrict the number of TLDs for the very practical reason that a limited number of domain endings are more memorable. Yes, I know there are such things as favourites/bookmarks, but still - thinking something.com, something-else.org or whatever is possibly more user friendly than having to remember "this-is-my-website.loadacrap" or whatever.

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    19. Re:Why not under .us? by cureless · · Score: 1

      Why are there too many? Why should there even be a limit on the number of TLD's?

      Scalability

      DNS has a hierarchical structure so it can scale. If everybody had TLDs then then root servers would get swamped with queries.

      cl

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    20. Re:Why not under .us? by Spunk · · Score: 1

      Take my own website for example... it's registered in .co.uk, even though I live in Chapel Hill, NC, USA, not Great Britian.

      Ok, I gotta ask. Why?

    21. Re:Why not under .us? by Jardine · · Score: 1

      Which, when you think about it, is kind of weird. The postal abbreviation is actually PQ.

      pq.ca redirects to paidsurveysonline.com and "may be for sale". Damn squatters.

    22. Re:Why not under .us? by legojenn · · Score: 1
      It's even more frustrating when you work in a government. I work for the Canadian Department of Justice. Our domain is justice.gc.ca. It makes sense like the US version is justice.gov. However, when trying to get information from provincial Departments of Justice, it gets confusing. There is no consistency.
      • Newfoundland - http://www.gov.nl.ca/just/
      • PEI - http://www.gov.pe.ca/oag/index.php3
      • New Brunswick - http://www.gnb.ca/0062/index-e.asp
      • Nova Scotia - http://www.gov.ns.ca/just/
      • Quebec - justice.gouv.qc.ca (gov.qc.ca is an alias for gouv.qc.ca)
      • Ontario - attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca
      • Manitoba - gov.mb.ca/justice/
      • Saskatchewan - saskjustice.gov.sk.ca/
      • Alberta - http://www4.gov.ab.ca/just/
      • BC - gov.bc.ca/ag/
      • Nunavut - http://www.gov.nu.ca/Nunavut
      • NWT - justice.gov.nt.ca
      • Yukon - justice.gov.yk.ca/
      What is so hard about being consistent? Why can't it be justice.PROVINCE/GC.ca? So much time is wated digging. If we can't do it here, I can't imagine the US being able to to it with 9 times the population and 3-1/2 times more federal divisions.
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  24. couldn't agree more. by Vellmont · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it rather sad that this gets posted as news on slashdot, given that slashdot is supposed to be run by geeks. I'd expect this from my local newspaper, but CowboyNeal should know better.

    Having said that, what happens when the people of Laos decide they want to use their TLD? I know it's a small mountainous country with very little technology, but I just heard a story yesterday about how the small country of Bhutan just got cable TV (a country where Buddhist monks outnumber soldiers). Point being it'll probbably happen eventually.

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    1. Re:couldn't agree more. by claar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Said Vellmont:
      I find it rather sad that this gets posted as news on slashdot, given that slashdot is supposed to be run by geeks. I'd expect this from my local newspaper, but CowboyNeal should know better.

      Said CowboyNeal:
      Looks like an Irish firm made a deal with Laos to use the .la TLD.

      I think it was fairly clear.. the submitter is the only one who used the word "officially", unless you count the headline -- and headlines are just attention-getters that are rarely factual (and usually fairly effective in their purpose).

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    2. Re:couldn't agree more. by Another+AC · · Score: 4, Informative

      Having said that, what happens when the people of Laos decide they want to use their TLD?

      Actually, Laos reserved a bunch of .la domains for use within the country.. com.la, net.la, mil.la, gov.la, and about 140 more.

      I believe they're getting something in the range of 20% of all revenues from the domains.

      Maybe they can use the money to pay for those laonix pcs..

    3. Re:couldn't agree more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's so odd about Buddhist monks outnumbering soldiers? Personally, it's the countries where soldiers outnumber those who teach peace and understanding that I find weird.

    4. Re:couldn't agree more. by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

      It seems that internet domains are becomming a natural resource for some small countries, just like forestry or mining. If you're not going to use them, just sell them to a richer country!

    5. Re:couldn't agree more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "a country where Buddhist monks outnumber soldiers"

      Dude, monks can kick. And they can jump, like, 20 feet in the air. A country with lots of monks doesn't need soldiers!

    6. Re:couldn't agree more. by JamieF · · Score: 1

      >I find it rather sad that this gets posted as news on slashdot, given that slashdot is
      >supposed to be run by geeks. I'd expect this from my local newspaper, but CowboyNeal
      >should know better.

      Absolutely! This flies in the face of Slashdot's long tradition of journalistic excellence and integrity. Where stories are carefully fact-checked, duplicate stories are eliminated, spoilers are never found in the lead paragraph, misinformation is corrected...

      Oh, wait...

  25. Most recently registered: by lpret · · Score: 1
    adultsonly.la
    adults.la

    That's classic. God bless America...

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    1. Re:Most recently registered: by rice_web · · Score: 1

      I just registered www.me-gusta-ver.la

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  26. crapo.la by Sick+Boy · · Score: 1

    As of this posting, crapo.la is still open. If only it wasn't way out of my vanity domain purchacing budget...

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  27. Hmm.... by GreyOrange · · Score: 1

    I think this is nice, but I thought that primary domains were sacred and were meant to be kept that way. I guess after all those countries sold their rights to domains like .tv etc this should of been seen as the next logical step. I just hope it doesn't cause problems if this repeats several thousand times.

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  28. Hot Domains... by Thomas+M+Hughes · · Score: 1

    I find it amusing that one of the premium names listed for sale on the right is "hooker.la".

  29. Soon every city will have its own domain by Faust7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Won't that be nice? I'll be able to readily tell websites in Burnt Scrotum, NM from those in Navel Lint, IA. I'll never know how I got along before.

    1. Re:Soon every city will have its own domain by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      I think you mean Nutt, NM, the bar-cafe in the middle of nowhere. (I lived 7 miles from there, it was the nearest thing on a map)

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  30. woah woah woah by CanSpice · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Holy See (Vatican City) has its own TLD, .va, and it's a city. I think the calls that Los Angeles is the first city with a TLD are a little premature.

    1. Re:woah woah woah by cscx · · Score: 1, Informative

      Sorry to break the news to you, but the Vatican City is a country, too.

      Just like Australia is both a country and a continent.

    2. Re:woah woah woah by HeghmoH · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And doesn't Singapore have a TLD?

      I think it would be better to say that Los Angeles is the first city that is not also its own independent country to have a TLD. Although lots of jokers are going to argue with that part about not being its own country.

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    3. Re:woah woah woah by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 3, Informative

      No. Holy See is it's own country, comprised of one city, Vatican City.

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    4. Re:woah woah woah by d3faultus3r · · Score: 1

      However, Vatican city is also technically a country, so it doesn't count.

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    5. Re:woah woah woah by CanSpice · · Score: 1

      And The Holy See is a city as well as a country, so it is a city that has a TLD. It had a TLD before this .la thing came along saying Los Angeles is the first city with a TLD. I fail to see your point.

    6. Re:woah woah woah by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 1

      yep, the papel state is the only country you can walk around in an hour

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    7. Re:woah woah woah by dpp · · Score: 1
      Sorry to break the news to you, but the Vatican City is a country, too.

      But it is still also a city, so the original poster has a point, even if he is being buttock-clenchingly pedantic! The www.la website says:

      "Los Angeles is the world's first and only city to receive its own unique Internet address; .la."

      where from what you're saying they should strictly have said "...first and only city that is not also a country..." :-)

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    8. Re:woah woah woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, its not a country. It is a state.

    9. Re:woah woah woah by cscx · · Score: 1

      Oh, heh, yeah... sorry, I'm tired.

    10. Re:woah woah woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So did Singapore and Hong Kong. Nothing to see here, move along.

    11. Re:woah woah woah by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

      What about Hong Kong (.hk)?

    12. Re:woah woah woah by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

      they should strictly have said "...first and only city that is not also a country..." :-) Which is still not true as Hong Kong still has it's .hk ccTLD.

    13. Re:woah woah woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Vatican is a sovereign nation. check your facts. Also, .la is the tld of, I think, Laos, this is just a cute deal like .tv and stuff.

      And personally I think a country which pulls this kind of stunt (the .la stunt; I don't so much mind .tv) ought to have their tld revoked and be assigned to the fools.int 2nd level domain.

    14. Re:woah woah woah by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

      In other news, the Pope has been in consultation with the Governor of Virginia about selling the TLD.

    15. Re:woah woah woah by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      I think it would be better to say that Los Angeles is the first city that is not also its own independent country to have a TLD.

      Hong Kong (.hk), Macau (.mo), both in China. And LA of course DOESN'T have a TLD, .la belongs to Laos, and it could revoke any of these at any time. The .la names just being sold by some cheesy direct marketing company, nothing "official" (in the implied sense of being endorsed by the city of LA) about it.

    16. Re:woah woah woah by asb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do not forget Singapore .sg and Monaco .mc.

      Dr Dre should buy out Monaco and start selling .mc domains to upstart rappers.

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    17. Re:woah woah woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pfft San Marino, also in Italy. Smaller than Holy See. =)

    18. Re:woah woah woah by first+axiom · · Score: 1

      It's more like a city block.

    19. Re:woah woah woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't address your snailmail to Vatican City, Rome, Italy, you address is to Vatican City.

    20. Re:woah woah woah by customiser · · Score: 1

      Isn't "Vetican City" really a country, with its own currency (version of euro anyway) and flag
      ?

    21. Re:woah woah woah by DavidpFitz · · Score: 1
      And doesn't Singapore have a TLD?

      Umm... Yes... Why wouldn't it?

      Please don't tell me you thought Singapore was not a country...


      Are you American, by chance?

    22. Re:woah woah woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Australia is a country not a continent.
      Australasia is a continent that includes other countries such as New Zealand.

    23. Re:woah woah woah by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      Try to work on your reading comprehension.

      In my post, I said "and doesn't Singapore have a TLD?" because Singapore is a city. Another example of a city with a TLD. Like Vatican City, it is also a country.

      Yes, I'm American, what does that have to do with anything? You totally misunderstood my post. And you go right off and make this wonderful example of an intelligent and insightful post. You moronic America bashers will look anywhere for an excuse to make the US look bad, but when you pull idiotic stunts like these it just makes you look bad. Maybe you ought to try understanding what people are saying before you point and say "Look, an American! Look how stupid he's being!"

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    24. Re:woah woah woah by d3faultus3r · · Score: 1

      Hong Kong was a quasi-state at the time ICANN made all of those up. I assume it was before England gave it back to China.

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    25. Re:woah woah woah by DavidpFitz · · Score: 1

      Singapore is a country, you fool! It's capital is also called Singapore... but it most certainly a country.

      And the Vatican City is a country, usually referred to as "The Holy See" in UN terms.

      David.

  31. Be ahead of the Christmas rush by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Funny

    register Falalalalalalaaalaaa.la

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    1. Re:Be ahead of the Christmas rush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      falalalalalalala.la is already taken, although if you hurry you might get falalalalala.la.

    2. Re:Be ahead of the Christmas rush by mandalayx · · Score: 1

      rofl

      too bad I have no mod points..

    3. Re:Be ahead of the Christmas rush by Pope · · Score: 1

      Or as we used to sing in elementary school: falalalala.etc

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  32. What happens when these countries get wired? by astrashe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's going to happen when these countries who sell out finally get wired? What will they do for domains?

    1. Re:What happens when these countries get wired? by yerricde · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Several developing countries have sold pretty much their entire second-level domain space to interests in developed countries. These include Laos, Niue, Tokelau, Tonga, and Tuvalu. I'm guessing that those countries have reserved *.com.??, *.net.??, *.edu.??, and *.org.??. Or they could charge non-residents much more than residents, as for example the Bahamas NIC does.

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    2. Re:What happens when these countries get wired? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nationalize them. Power to the people!

    3. Re:What happens when these countries get wired? by Imperator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they want those domains back, they'll simply take them. Country TLDs can do whatever they want subject to the laws of that country.

      And I won't be shedding any tears over it either. This is similar to the rape of poor countries for raw materials and natural resources that the locals are not developed enough to exploit themselves. Once the country is ready to take over, they usually just nationalize that industry. The foreigners who made a killing (no pun intended) off local labor and land whine, and sometimes the rich country will step in with coercion.

      For an example, google for United Fruit and Guatemala. It's that sort of shit that caused 9/11 and continues to cause widespread hatred of America.

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    4. Re:What happens when these countries get wired? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      Maybe they'll realize that it doesn't really matter if they own a TLD?

    5. Re:What happens when these countries get wired? by smallpaul · · Score: 1

      .com, org, .net. Whatever.

    6. Re:What happens when these countries get wired? by powerlinekid · · Score: 1

      We're talking about a domain name, fucking grow up. This isn't rape. Rape is when someone says no and you do it anyway. This is Laos saying "Hey, pay us and you can use .la". I seriously doubt that LA pressured a country into giving it a TLD. I mean thats just stupid. Its not rape if Laos said yes. Now prostitution maybe... but not rape.

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    7. Re:What happens when these countries get wired? by mark2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not Loas saying anything - that would indicate some kind of democracy in action. It's some wealthy autocrat getting a kickback...

      So it's not rape, but it is still selling something you perosonally don't own in the first place.

    8. Re:What happens when these countries get wired? by nmg196 · · Score: 1

      Well, some guy in California has bought laos.com and he will probably sell them subdomains for a thousand dollars. :)

    9. Re:What happens when these countries get wired? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try looking the word up in the dictionary. You might be surprised that it also has other definitions.

    10. Re:What happens when these countries get wired? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      For an example, google for United Fruit and Guatemala. It's that sort of shit that caused 9/11 and continues to cause widespread hatred of America.

      Funny, I could have sworn the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi, not Guatemalan. If I didn't know better, I would think you were trolling.

      And do you honestly think corporations with ties to countries other than the United States don't do this same shit? Greed knows no national boundaries.

  33. What's next? by d3faultus3r · · Score: 1

    Could anything more complex than a single celled organism get its own TLD? Hell, why not every single celled organism too? One for every molecule? sure thing!

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    1. Re:What's next? by gearheadsmp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      With IPv6, you could probably assign an IP to every mammal* on the planet. 4 billion * 4 billion * 4 billion, as I recall it being said 4 billion * 4 billion * 4 billion times on Slashdot. *excluding every organism but mammals

    2. Re:What's next? by cruppel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "What's Next?" you asked... IPv6 is next.

    3. Re:What's next? by sn00ker · · Score: 1
      With IPv6, you could probably assign an IP to every mammal* on the planet.
      Not just every mammal, but every molecule on the planet. Several times over, I believe.

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    4. Re:What's next? by aziraphale · · Score: 1

      Hmm... I think that might be a slight overestimate. There's 7.9E28 addresses in the IPv6 address space. Avogadro's number (the number of atoms in a mole (no, not the mammal, the quantity of matter) is of the order of 6E23. So, IPv6 has enough addresses to give one IP address to each molecule in about 1.3e5 moles of molecules.

      1.3e5 moles of molecules have a mass of (1.3e5 x (the average atomic mass of the molecules in question)) grams, or 130 x the average atomic mass kilos.

      Say your sample of molecules consisted mostly of water (like most biological matter), the average atomic mass of the molecules would be pretty close to 18 atomic mass units, and the mass in question would be around 2340kg.

      In other words, IPv6 has a large enough address space to give an IP address to every molecule in about 2340kg of water. At a guess, I'd say that was about the mass of a medium sized whale (the big blue ones get into five figure masses, but we're talking more like a young humpback here).

      So no, not quite enough for every molecule on the planet - sorry.

      If it makes you feel better, it is enough to give over a billion IP addresses to every grain of sand on every beach on the planet, which just goes to show quite how amazingly small atoms turn out to be.

    5. Re:What's next? by morcheeba · · Score: 1

      Oh, that's great if everyone has just one computer. I currently use 5 IPs, plus 1 for my phone, and share IPs on 2 routers. Pretty soon, they'll require you to adopt some mammal for every IP you use. Sure, the lucky early-adopters will scramble to adopt all of the Pymgy Shrews, but the late ones will get stuck with odd-toed Tapirs

  34. Not the first city after all by worst_name_ever · · Score: 5, Informative
    I wonder how they can claim that L.A. is the first city with its own TLD, when the Vatican, which is a city as well as a country, has had its own TLD for a few years now...

    Now, "First city with a TLD and drive-through breast augmentation" - that I would believe.

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    1. Re:Not the first city after all by dhovis · · Score: 1

      You could make the same argument for Singapore.

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    2. Re:Not the first city after all by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now, "First city with a TLD and drive-through breast augmentation" - that I would believe.

      What?!? They don't do that in the Vatican? Damn!

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    3. Re:Not the first city after all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheers to your sig.

    4. Re:Not the first city after all by morganjharvey · · Score: 1

      I wonder how they can claim that L.A. is the first city with its own TLD, when the Vatican, which is a city as well as a country, has had its own TLD for a few years now...

      Yeah, but your chances of registering hotsexyteens.va are probably somewhat slim.

    5. Re:Not the first city after all by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      No. At the Vatican you have to get out of the car to get your boobs done.

    6. Re:Not the first city after all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how they can claim that L.A. is the first city with its own TLD, when the Vatican [vatican.va], which is a city as well as a country, has had its own TLD for a few years now...

      Singapore is a city-state as well. Monaco? Lichtenstein? Andora? San Marino?

    7. Re:Not the first city after all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idem: Luxemburg. City and country

  35. Harness the TLDs by mnmn · · Score: 1

    That gave me a shocker, thought ICANN is being controlled by the Republicans now. Such deals between countries and companies is becoming and thats all fine if more than half of that countrys population agrees with it. I wonder what happens if after the next election (or revolution) in Laos, the next leader asks for their TLD back.

    I still doubt many people will actually use it, as most of .tv and others are used for port and cheap personal site hosting. More formal pages in the US just use .com and ones up here in Canada use .ca, but few would want to fork out for a weird TLD unless they have a good idea like http://cr.yp.to

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  36. Your TLD. by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Funny
    Great to hear since one day I hope to be an owner of my own TLD and this is a step in the right direction. ;)

    Due to the fact that you fantasize about things like this, let me guess...

    .nerd

    Heh.

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    1. Re:Your TLD. by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know if you remember, but CmdrTaco, has day dreamed out loud about having his own TLD. He wants, ".dot".

      So it would be: ech tea tea pea colon slash slash slash dot dot dot.

    2. Re:Your TLD. by sn00ker · · Score: 1
      Too late.
      The Kiwi geek community has already beaten you to it

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    3. Re:Your TLD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Great to hear since one day I hope to be an owner of my own TLD and this is a step in the right direction. ;)"

      Yes, maybe someday you can move out of your parents' basement and own your very own first-floor dwelling. :)

    4. Re:Your TLD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you, esr in disguise? Aunt Tillie is a long way from Aunt Tillie-type mainstream acceptance (plus it's a stupid expression).

  37. Recently Registered by sabNetwork · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hahaha this is a great feature. Check out the type of domains that are already being taken.

    TRASH: 16
    (including porn, hair-transplant, breast/penis enlargement, lasik surgery, and other spam)
    CORPORATE: 37
    (companies such as FOX trying to reserve their trademarks under every TLD possible)
    DICTIONARY/GENERIC: 28
    (dictionary words and other obvious domain name real estate such as "1.la")
    OTHER: 137
    (names that I didn't recognize or didn't fit into these categories)

    Wow, I have too much time on my hands.

  38. One day... by Sick+Boy · · Score: 1

    I really hope that one day I can start my own country and get the wn domain, so my email address can be sh@wn. That'd rule!

    Next valentines day, maybe someone can hook thier geek lady up with "c@r.la".

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  39. domains I want are reserved or registered, already by Artifex · · Score: 2, Funny
    I wanted "la.la," of course.

    Just imagine:
    • myname@la.la.la would be a great address to give when I have to give one to tech support drones,
    • my private streaming music server could be at falalalala.lala.la.la,
    • I could start a fan site,

    • etc.


    Hm... a.la, ah.la and al.la are already registered, too. so I can't start that e-biz project, Mumford's Sandwich and Magic Shop, either.

    This sucks!

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  40. First .tv, now .la by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  41. Somebody better come clean... by milkmandan9 · · Score: 1

    Who stole slashdot.la?

  42. I agree by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You couldn't be more right. But if someone's going to call .la the TLD for Los Angeles, then perhaps they should also consider these other "city-specific" TLDs, most of which have been around far longer than the Laotian domain: .au - Austin, Texas, USA (actually Australia) .ca - Cardiff, Wales (Canada) .be - Berlin, Germany (Belgium) .br - Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA (Brazil) .br - Brussels, Belgium (Brazil) .lv - Las Vegas, Nevada, USA (Latvia) .no - New Orleans, Louisiana, USA (Norway) .pa - Paris, France (Panama) .pe - Perth, Australia (Peru)

    Just blows the "Los Angeles is first" argument out of the water doesn't it?

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    1. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What an utterly stupid fuckwad you are.

    2. Re:I agree by AvitarX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Noone I know calls Austin, Texas au the same can be said for every single one of the cities you listed.

      OTOH,
      LA is a very reconizable term for Las Angeles, At least it is here in the US.

      A few of the ones you listed would work for states here. But if I said I was going to AU to visit a family I would get a retarded stare.

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    3. Re:I agree by JeffTL · · Score: 1

      And while we're at it, how about marketing .de (Germany's TLD) for Delawarians? The sort of idiots who buy novelty domains won't know what the bloody hey "Deutschland" means, but they might think it has something to do with the Dutch...but unless they see the original meaning on Wikipedia or somewhere (like this calibre of people would go there) they will just think that .de is a reference to Delaware and not Germany.

    4. Re:I agree by ottawanker · · Score: 1

      How about .to (Tonga) for Toronto? That sounds like it should be the next one.

    5. Re:I agree by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      My, my, aren't you the eloquent one?

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    6. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Witty comebacks like this don't make you less of a fuckwad.

    7. Re:I agree by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      And posting anonymously doesn't make you any less of a fool.

      Got anything else to add?

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    8. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this new use for for TDLs will be great! It will lessen our terrorist problems too, because soon ALL addresses will resolve to rich American cities!

    9. Re:I agree by JediTrainer · · Score: 1

      Actually, a *lot* of Toronto, Ontario (Canada)-based companies have been marketing their web sites at least for the last year with the TLD of .to

      So while .to is not dedicated to Toronto, Ontario, it's been used as if it is for quite a while now around here. So I'd still say that it's a bit .late.

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    10. Re:I agree by pizen · · Score: 1

      Noone I know calls Austin, Texas au the same can be said for every single one of the cities you listed.

      Except for New Orleans (NO)

    11. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      toronto should be .sars ha ha ha ha ha ha

    12. Re:I agree by smithmc · · Score: 1

      LA is a very reconizable term for Las [sic] Angeles, At least it is here in the US.

      Interesting. Is North America the only place where cities/states/provinces are typically (i.e. as in conversationally) referred by initials? e.g. NYC, MA(aaah-ssachussetts), LA, K(ansas) C(ity), S(an) F(rancisco), TO(ronto), B(ritish) C(olumbia), etc.?

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    13. Re:I agree by Boiled+Frog · · Score: 1

      Do you have any examples of which .ca domains are being used by Cardiff? If I recall correctly, .ca has fairly strict citizenship/residency requirements to use the .ca TLD.

  43. Definitely not the first city by jsse · · Score: 5, Informative

    Los Angeles officially becomes the world's first city to have its own Internet domain

    What about .hk? Hong Kong is a city of China(before that HK is a British colony city) and has its own TLD for years.

    1. Re:Definitely not the first city by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about .hk? Hong Kong is a city of China(before that HK is a British colony city) and has its own TLD for years.

      While Hong Kong is a city, Hong Kong also includes large amounts of land surrounding the city. Hong Kong isn't all dense urban city.

    2. Re:Definitely not the first city by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While Hong Kong is a city, Hong Kong also includes large amounts of land surrounding the city. Hong Kong isn't all dense urban city
      Which makes it different to LA in what way?

  44. Sure is pricey by saintjab · · Score: 1

    I looked up a simple three letter domain name, and it was available, so there are probably quite a few good ones left. Thatâ(TM)s the good news. The bad news is it was $100 a year! This should prove very lucrative for LA. I personally wouldn't pay that much for a domain, especially since .la isn't all that cool or unique, but I'm sure there are lots of people who will.

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  45. Holy see, Batman! by yerricde · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If ICANN had assigned a TLD to a city, THAT would be news.

    Two words: Vatican City. Two letters: va.

    As pointed out by CanSpice.

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    1. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ahh, but ICANN didn't assign .va to Vatican City, the IANA did! It's a ccTLD, not a gTLD, and was assigned before ICANN existed (ICANN was created in 1998; the .va TLD was assigned in 1995). And yes, it would have been news, in 1995.

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    2. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Cplus · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Vatican is a country. It may be in the shape of a city, but it is entirely an independant entity and the smallest in the world. It's population is under a thousand, it's official language is latin, it has it's own currency, and a radio station. Don't know why I know all of this.

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    3. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the smallest [country[ in the world
      Surely that would be Sealand?

    4. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Steven+Blanchley · · Score: 1

      Indeed. How long until Sealand gets its own TLD? I can't think what it would be, though; according to this page, .se, .sa, .sl, .sn, and .sd are all taken.

    5. Re:Holy see, Batman! by arth1 · · Score: 1
      Too bad the Hutt River Principality hasn't been able to buy .hr from Croatia yet.

      As for the smallest ccTLD, that would probably be .bv -- the Bouvet Island, with no population.

    6. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but it is entirely an independant entity

      What do they use for currency? What electric power grid are they on?

      They are politically an independant country, but in practice they are a part of Italy.

    7. Re:Holy see, Batman! by ergonal · · Score: 1

      Well, Zouth Africa got .za, so Zealand can get .ze?

    8. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Uh, none of that matters in the slighest. The U.S has power lines to the upper states that are sourced from Canadian power supplies; does that make them part of Canada?

      Some Easten European countries use the Euro as their official currency, even though they are not part of the European Union.

      "Politically" is all that matters. Vatican City is an internationally recognised country in every way, shape and form possible.

    9. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Jellybob · · Score: 1

      It's tiny place with it's own TLD, and they couldn't give their official radio station a .va address?

    10. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Erik+Hensema · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The vatican doesn't have it's own currency, though it does have a country-specific side on their euro coins, as every euro country has. But since there are so little of them (vatican euro coins), they are almost all in the posession of collectors.

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    11. Re:Holy see, Batman! by the_germ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, it's not entirely correct, but it's not incorrect either.
      The Yugoslav republic of Montenegro uses the Euro as its official currency (although they are a federal state of Yugoslavia, the Yugoslav Dinar is not an official currency there).

      Have a look at the Factbook page for Yugoslavia.

    12. Re:Holy see, Batman! by aziraphale · · Score: 1

      No, Zuid Afrika got .za

    13. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the weirdos living on that concrete hellhole think it's a country. It ism't.

    14. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Shimbo · · Score: 1

      Indeed. How long until Sealand gets its own TLD?

      I dunno - haven't checked the long range weather forecast for hell lately.

    15. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you mean that Zuiland would then get .zu ?

    16. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Holy See and various papal states have a millennia-long history, and at present Vatican is recognized as a sovereign state by just about every country on Earth. IIRC Sealand is not officially recognized by anyone, their only claims to countryhood being that 1) a British court declined to enforce British law there in the sixties, and 2) a German diplomat once negotiated a hostage situation on Sealand. They've got a long way to go before they can be recognized as a sovereign state in any context except their ad copy and Slashdot.

    17. Re:Holy see, Batman! by Oaktree_b · · Score: 1

      They're actually pretty cool, I've seen them on the vatican.va website.

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  46. I was going to register.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    falalalalalalala.la but its already taken.

    Damn it.

    so is la.la, of course.

    1. Re:I was going to register.. by cybin · · Score: 1

      HAH! I got falalalalalalala.la before joo did. :)

      seriously.

      tiz the season to be jolly.

  47. I know the wheels are turning already.. by MrByte420 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Here's all the english words in YAWL's word list ending in .la My choice of dracu.la was unavailable but doremefasol.la is currently available. [support@andromeda yawl-0.2]$ cat word.list |grep -e '^.*la$'|sed s/la$/.la/ |tr '\n' ',' abol.la,acero.la,acetabu.la,acicu.la,acush.la,agi. la,ake.la,a.la,alu.la,alveo.la,am.la,ampul.la,amyg da.la,ancil.la,ango.la,animalcu.la,antiguerril.la, archencepha.la,areo.la,arga.la,armil.la,arol.la,ar ugo.la,arugu.la,aspergil.la,asy.la,au.la,aureo.la, auricu.la,axil.la,azol.la,bacu.la,banderil.la,barb o.la,baril.la,blastu.la,boffo.la,bo.la,bonsel.la,b oy.la,bracio.la,bresao.la,brucel.la,bul.la,caba.la ,cabba.la,cabril.la,caffi.la,cafi.la,calendu.la,ca l.la,camaril.la,campanu.la,cande.la,candelil.la,ca nel.la,cannu.la,cano.la,canta.la,canu.la,capitel.l a,capitu.la,carambo.la,cascaril.la,castel.la,caval .la,cebadil.la,cedil.la,cedu.la,cel.la,cerebel.la, cevadil.la,chal.la,che.la,chim.la,chinchil.la,chlo rel.la,cho.la,chol.la,chrysocol.la,chuckawal.la,ch uckwal.la,cica.la,cicatricu.la,cingu.la,cito.la,ci tronel.la,cladophyl.la,clarabel.la,clausu.la,clavi cu.la,clitel.la,coagu.la,coa.la,cocobo.la,codil.la ,co.la,columel.la,comatu.la,copu.la,coquil.la,cora l.la,corbicu.la,corel.la,cornicu.la,corol.la,count ergueril.la,counterguerril.la,crapo.la,crayo.la,cr ibel.la,criol.la,crota.la,cuadril.la,cubicu.la,cun abu.la,cupo.la,cupu.la,curricu.la,cuticu.la,cypse. la,dharmsa.la,dharmsha.la,diencepha.la,diverticu.l a,dob.la,dongo.la,dou.la,drosophi.la,drugo.la,eido .la,encepha.la,epencepha.la,exemp.la,facu.la,falba .la,falcu.la,fascio.la,fave.la,favel.la,febricu.la ,fecu.la,fel.la,fenestel.la,feru.la,fibril.la,fibu .la,fi.la,fistu.la,flabel.la,flagel.la,flotil.la,f ormu.la,fossu.la,fothergil.la,foveo.la,fraxinel.la ,frenu.la,furcu.la,fustanel.la,ga.la,gastru.la,gen tianel.la,gi.la,girando.la,glabel.la,gladio.la,glu mel.la,gondo.la,goril.la,granadil.la,grano.la,gren adil.la,gubernacu.la,gueril.la,guerril.la,gu.la,gu s.la,gypsophi.la,hala.la,harma.la,haustel.la,hemio .la,hexap.la,hibernacu.la,hi.la,hilahi.la,hol.la,h oop.la,hordeo.la,hu.la,hydril.la,hy.la,hyperbo.la, ichthyocol.la,ido.la,impa.la,incunabu.la,infu.la,i nfundibu.la,inocu.la,insu.la,intermaxil.la,interva l.la,inu.la,inya.la,isabel.la,jha.la,jugu.la,kaba. la,kabba.la,kafi.la,kama.la,kame.la,kami.la,kante. la,kgot.la,kib.la,klebsiel.la,koa.la,ko.la,kwe.la, .la,label.la,lamel.la,ligu.la,lingu.la,lobo.la,lod icu.la,lunu.la,macu.la,mamil.la,mammil.la,manca.la ,manda.la,mando.la,mandor.la,mani.la,manil.la,mant il.la,manzanil.la,maqui.la,marcel.la,marsa.la,masa .la,massoo.la,masu.la,matamba.la,matricu.la,maxil. la,maxillu.la,medul.la,megil.la,me.la,mesc.la,mese ncepha.la,metencepha.la,micel.la,mineo.la,minneo.l a,mochi.la,mo.la,mol.la,moo.la,mortadel.la,moru.la ,movieo.la,movio.la,mozzarel.la,mul.la,myelencepha .la,nab.la,na.la,nal

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    1. Re:I know the wheels are turning already.. by carpe_noctem · · Score: 1

      how about:

      stfu.la

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  48. WTF!!! by SkewlD00d · · Score: 1

    What about .la.ca.us ? It seems silly that some Laoatian biz people can sell out their own countrymen, so now what's the point of the TLD system? I think ill buy iraq's tld (.iq) for some smarty-pants mensa sites.

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    1. Re:WTF!!! by SEE · · Score: 1

      Er, don't worry about Laotian "biz people" selling out their countrymen. Worry about the Laotian government's of torture and repression.

    2. Re:WTF!!! by LMariachi · · Score: 1
      ICANN has done such a shitty job of administering the system we'd have been better off just sticking to IP numbers. Why bother to come up with a rational scheme just to immediately dump all over it? When was the last time .net meant "ISP" and .org meant "noncommercial organization?" (Answer: About seventeen minutes after RFC1591 was published.)

      Oh, but at least we have ".museum" now! How did we ever get along without that?

    3. Re:WTF!!! by SkewlD00d · · Score: 1

      I think that puts this whole thing into perspective. We're too worried about our next/newest tech widget than *real* people suffering and dying of preventable diseases and stoppable atrocities. Shame on the US govt and elite media for ignoring 99% of the world. So what if napster trades songs, they should be swapping the formula & plans for antibotics and water treatment plants.

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  49. Toronto: .to by Kenshin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For years and years and years "TO" (t-o) has been Toronto's nickname, so quite often you'll see some business around here use Tonga's .to TLD.

    I'd say we beat LA to the punch.

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    1. Re:Toronto: .to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure sure. But people in LA have been known as pretentious assholes LONG before you were. And they've had a smog problem longer than you. And their beaches have been polluted longer than yours. But keep trying, my little Canadian brothers... you're catching up to them on all the important fronts.

      And yes, Canada does revolve around Toronto. Much like the swirling cosmic matter around a black hole. Mmmm. Flush!

    2. Re:Toronto: .to by Kenshin · · Score: 1

      Where else is Canada going to revolve around?

      The people in Vancouver are too high to care, and the Americans hate the french, which puts Montreal outta the question :p

      Edmonton? Halifax? The Peg? Hahaha...

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  50. Who's assigned to .la now? by maliabu · · Score: 1

    In the article it says "Laos originally was assigned the name by ICANN.". Does that mean that Laos has 'sold' the whole TLD? or just leased out like .tv, .ws?

    the formality is quite important, if it was just a lease, then these domain names shouldn't be advertised as if L.A. really "receives its own unique Internet address; .la."

    Imagine if someone told you can you now purchase .iq domain name and it's a great way to show off your IQs, and you later found out it's still originated from Iraq...

  51. 'State' vs. 'sovereign state' vs. 'country' by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Same thing. The colloquial term "country" refers to a sovereign state with its territory. Speakers in the United States of America typically don't use the term "state" to refer to a sovereign state because "state" most often refers to non-sovereign political subdivisions roughly equivalent to Canadian provinces, Australian states, or possibly Japanese prefectures.

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    1. Re:'State' vs. 'sovereign state' vs. 'country' by mpe · · Score: 1

      Speakers in the United States of America typically don't use the term "state" to refer to a sovereign state because "state" most often refers to non-sovereign political subdivisions roughly equivalent to Canadian provinces, Australian states, or possibly Japanese prefectures.

      Thing is that US states do have limited sovereignty according of the Federal constitution. Things are actually a little more complex than that. Not least because one US "state" is actually an illegally occupied country.

  52. Maybe this makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It would only make sense for Los Angeles to have its own TLD if they were going to separate and form their own country. Or may they are on to something. That's it! They want their own TLD before an earthquake comes along and separates it from the U.S. mainland!

  53. Re:domains I want are reserved or registered, alre by Soko · · Score: 2, Funny

    Given that the pr0n industry is pretty much centred in LA, how about oooh.la.la?

    Meh. I'm wondering what all of the hoop.la is about...

    Soko

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  54. w007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1337.hackers.are.from.la

    www.ny, anytime soon?

    or www.nyc

  55. .LA is a SCAM. by SlashChick · · Score: 5, Informative
    Oh, man. .LA domains. Where do I begin?

    Some background: .LA has been around for several years. Here is one of the initial announcements, dated February 2001.

    I have a client who bought one of the initial .LA domain names. He paid $150 to the then-registrar of .LA domains for 5 years of service.

    Last December, he got a notice stating that the contract between Laos (the official holder of .LA) and the domain registration company had expired. The letter said, in part, "On 11 December 2002 ICANN announced its decision to re-delegate the ccTLD .la to the Lao Government, specifically the Lao National Internet Committee (LANIC). DotLA and Sterling were not aware that this change was being contemplated by ICANN or IANA, and we were not contacted by ICANN/IANA for our comments either before or after ICANN made its decision."

    The letter goes on to explain that ICANN changed the official name servers for .LA to an as-yet-unnamed company. My client's domain name continued to work, but he knew he was borrowing time.

    Suddenly, Dreamhost (the current .LA registrar) waltzed in and paid a handsome sum of money to become the official .LA registrar. Of course, they chose not to honor my client's 5-year registration, and demanded that he pay MORE money or have his domain name cease to work.

    This has been a frustrating 6 months. My client has since registered a .biz domain, which is controlled by ICANN and not by any specific company. This means that there is no "official" registrar for .biz domains, and that there aren't going to be any disputes over who owns the TLD.

    After the $150 that has been wasted by my client for a "5-year" registration, what's to say that Dreamhost won't also get into a dispute and dump .LA completely? At that point, all current .LA domain name holders would be in the same position as my client -- forced to change their web address because the company can't get it together, and losing money in the process.

    .LA is a mess. I would not recommend registering a .LA domain until the whole mess stabilizes a bit.

    1. Re:.LA is a SCAM. by Another+AC · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just wanted to point out that DreamHost is only the technical partner running the .la registrar functions, just as Afilias is the technical partner running the .la registry.

      The new company is "LANames Corporation", and they got the rights from LANIC. Apparently Sterling had never actually had the rights to register .la domains to the general public. They were only brought on to manage .la domains for Laos domestically. Laos found out what they were doing and had IANA redelegate the domain to LANIC.

      The worst thing is right when Sterling knew things were finally coming to an end, they sent out an email "promotion" to existing customers to renew at dirt cheap prices (like $150 for 5 years, $200 for 10 years). They then took the money and didn't even update the whois records to reflect the renewals (at that point they didn't even have access to them).

      I'd recommend trying to charge back the charges with your credit card company or sue Sterling directly to get the money back!

      Guy Rosbrook - rosbrook@qwest.net: he is the COO who had been illegally running .la.

      Sterling's lawyers are:

      Brad Russell, Esq
      McCullough Robertson
      Level 12 Central Plaza Two
      66 Eagle Street
      Brisbane, Qld 4000
      Australia
      email: brussell@mccullough.com.au
      Tel + 617 3233 8888
      Fax + 617 3229 9949

    2. Re:.LA is a SCAM. by tigress · · Score: 1

      The dot-biz registry is handled by a specific company, namely Neu(?:star|level). It is as much controlled by ICANN as, say, .com, .org or .se.

    3. Re:.LA is a SCAM. by flieghund · · Score: 1
      A few things:
      1. It pays to understand exactly what you're purchasing, especially when it comes to investing in foreign nations... after all, the .la TLD technically belongs to Laos. (According to some other posts in this discussion, there is some dispute as to whether the old registrar of .la was actually legally entitled to provide that service.) A little research now can save a lot of headaches later. However, that being said...
      2. Any so-called company that can't absorb a one-time $150 loss is not long for this world anyway.
      3. Any company that is willing to spend six months fussing over a trendy, atypical (i.e., not a .com/.net/.org) domain name, instead of just eating the original $150 loss and moving on, probably shouldn't be in business anyway. I mean, really, is the cute little .la really worth six months of life?
      4. Any company that really believes the particular TLD portion of its domain name somehow makes or breaks the company's name, image, or concept, is probably missing the clue train, and will likely not be around in five years anyway.
      5. In the end, five years is a long ways off in so-called Internet Time. There may not even be TLDs by then, or ICANN may finally see the light (fat chance, I know) and bust the TLD market wide open a la the rogue TLD services. Or we may all just revert back to IP addresses and use Google (or whatever manages to unseat Google) to find web sites!
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  56. Oh you know it's your fav site by Sophrosyne · · Score: 1

    So who's going to buy http://www.goatse.la and www.goatsecx.la ??
    Come on, I know you want to you!!

  57. idea! by r00zky · · Score: 1

    do.re.mi.fa.sol.la
    for a music store?


    sorry, i need sleep urgently :P

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  58. Alt DNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Might as well turn this into a posting of alternate DNS root servers... who's got some good ones.. btw: I'm drunk... yeah DNS, yeah!

  59. Singaporians are upset by the TLD by jasonhamilton · · Score: 1

    you so bad, la

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  60. ihate.la by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    still available. get it while it is hot. me, i got better things to waste $50 bucks on then making some in lala land rich.

  61. This is old, old news... by MsGeek · · Score: 1

    The .la domain has been on sale for two years now. And they have been charging that buttreamious $100/yr price for all that time. I wanted msgeek.la right when it was announced that the domains would be available. Then I found out the cost. :P

    I got msgeek-la-ca.us instead. Not sure what I will do with it, but it's mine, all mine.

    BTW they were marketing the .la tld at Louisiana too. Like neworleans.la and hotjazz.la and cajun.la and mardigras.la and so on. I wonder if they gave up on that.

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  62. Now we can pull a Serpentor by KoopaTroopa · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cobra.lalalalalalalalalala!

    This I command!

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    1. Re:Now we can pull a Serpentor by ChadN · · Score: 1

      Just saw that shitty movie for the first time last week. I HAD hoped to put the ululating out of my mind... Thanks, pal.

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  63. No need for this by codeonezero · · Score: 1
    City of Los Angeles, already uses www.ci.la.ca.us, which I believe is way better that www.la or whatever. They also have www.cityofla.org

    A much better TLD for businesses in Los Angeles would be to have something like www.business-name.la.ca.us

    Also aren't TLDs like www.la for countries?

    Frankly as a resident of Los Angeles, I am insulted by this. In fact I should be getting a discount since I'm in LA!! :)

    Also do they even check if you're actually in LA?

    I don't know if Mayor Hahn and the city council might be upset or happy about this. But they might not be able to do much about it, since probably the city government has no jurisdiction over the TLD.

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  64. Re:domains I want are reserved or registered, alre by Artifex · · Score: 1
    Given that the pr0n industry is pretty much centred in LA, how about oooh.la.la?


    French amateur porn site, maybe: "J'ai votre tour d'Eiffel dans mon pantalon, bébé!"
    (I gots yer Eiffel Tower... in my pants, baby!)

    I'm wondering what all of the hoop.la is about...


    Nope, sorry, a basketball site won't work.
    I thought about it, but you know what they're like... nothing but .net.

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  65. some of the names are already taken... by thanq · · Score: 4, Funny

    breast-implants.la
    plastic-surgery.la
    hair-replacement.la
    tittiesandass.la
    tittyandass.la
    botoxcosmetic.la

    Apparently LA is hard at work to hold up its image...
    I bet that once they decide to have a TLD .nyc, well see something along the lines of...

    laywers.nyc
    sueyourass.nyc
    eytonycomovahhere.nyc

  66. So.. by dr+ttol · · Score: 1

    As of now, goodfel.la is still available..

  67. Shouldn't this be. . . by CromeDome · · Score: 1

    from the who-gives-a-shit department?

  68. This is what I see by zakezuke · · Score: 1

    I see a bunch of money grubbing bastards flocking to the .la domain just to peforming that age old tradition of cybersquatting.

    Now don't get me wrong... I think it kicks ass in theory. Say what you will but L.A. is indeed a large media center, and is just dandy for popular stars of the silver screen to have their own place to promte them selves. Let's face it, your got comercial, then you've got L.A. it self, taking comercial to a whole new level(TM)(TM)(TM)(TM)(R)(C)

    But I also see it as mostly looking like the real LA with the web equilivent people on the street selling maps to the stars homes. Popups galore, with the usual, "would you like this crappy site to be your start page". Oh wait, perhaps this will be the place to actually get the real nude photos of britney spears.

    And ya know... it just fits! Arts, media, entertainment, crappy hotels, pornography, smog, really nasty attitude. This is L.A.! Gotta love it. Oh wait, i've never been back there, I didn't love it.

    In short, I imagine sites under this domain being considered the least creditable unless having to do with music / film / entertainment industry.

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  69. Third World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make me sad the small, indebted countries have to sell their country code TLDs to rich western capitalists.

  70. Godzilla! by maliabu · · Score: 4, Funny

    can't believe no one mentioned Godzil.la yet, although it's already registered.

    but wait, zil.la is still available, so you can still have http://god.zil.la/ and this is a better choice because (1) you have a god in your URL, (2) zil is 3 characters, and is more rare than 6 characters domain names :)

    1. Re:Godzilla! by cruppel · · Score: 1

      Or (duh) Mozil.la

    2. Re:Godzilla! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, I like the part about having a god in my URL. But does it have to be so early on in the URL? I think a god would be just happy living in the end, like so: http://foo.bar.com/index.god Maybe it could be the name of the new programming language I used to make my web site dynamic: godlang. Great ideas abound, if you just look for them. This is off-topic, but the topic sucks, so don't mod me down, bitches.

    3. Re:Godzilla! by smithmc · · Score: 1

      but wait, zil.la is still available

      Nope. [sigh]

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    4. Re:Godzilla! by Ruliz+Galaxor · · Score: 0

      Uh Oh!
      These domains will not be registered:
      co.la : domain is reserved.

      Too bad :S

      sig(h)

  71. and my personal favourite: falalalalalalala.la by zptdooda · · Score: 1

    Somebody in .la has a quick Christmas spirit to have already thought and bought.

    What do you suppose they'll do with it?

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    1. Re:and my personal favourite: falalalalalalala.la by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just wanted la.la but it was taken. Then I could have a server on the domain called la.la.la

  72. San Jose by TheEternalVortex · · Score: 1

    I'm sure no one from the "Svalbard and Jan Mayen Islands" really needs a domain, so why can't San Jose have .sj ;)?

    1. Re:San Jose by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      bwahahahahahhaha

      Thank you for validating my long standing belief that SJ wishes to god it was LA but has nothing, nada zero null sip zilch in comparison to that plasticene hellhole of a concrete sprawl.

      Frankly, SJ is worse than LA, it's a freakin police state and is void of any form of culture, be it plastic or soulfull.

      Man oh man... I made the mistake of visiting there
      NEVER AGAIN!

  73. shitfromshino.la is still open [nt] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nt

  74. Hong Kong by webdevcoder · · Score: 1

    In theory, the City / Region of Hong Kong has its own tld. [.com.hk / .net.hk / .org.hk]

    1. Re:Hong Kong by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      In theory, the City / Region of Hong Kong has its own tld.

      In theory? In fact.
      HK whois

    2. Re:Hong Kong by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      Since the internet was "born", HK has only been under the People's Republic of China rule since July 1997.

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  75. Hong Kong by The+Cydonian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hong Kong, which is a city under the People's Republic of China although with a slightly different visa regime, has its own TLD.

  76. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although it's a fair guess how many would get the Singlish joke.

  77. someday by jmarkantes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is Laos gonna do in 50 years or whenever it's actually a pretty wired country? What does gov.la point to? Something's gotta give in that time.

    J

  78. fishermen have it too! by 1seconddelay · · Score: 1, Funny

    what about fish.net?

  79. Invalid Domain names by Igmuth · · Score: 4, Funny

    On the front page of www.la they have the following site listed:

    café.la $100.00

    However when you click on it to register it throws an error message becuase of the 'é' not being a valid character
    I would feel sorry for any company if they actually registered that domain since almost noone would be able type the 'é' to visit their site.

    (Yes I know there are ways of doing it, but most people couldn't figure it out)

    1. Re:Invalid Domain names by Bartmoss · · Score: 1

      Since a company that sells Domain Names should really know that such a domain is invalid, this opens up two possibilities:

      1) The company is totally incompetent and should not run anything even remotely related to DNS;

      2) The entire offer is fraudulent...

    2. Re:Invalid Domain names by StefanF · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually it's really easy to type 'é' you just press the 'Â' key (it's next to 'æ', under 'Ã' and above 'þ') then you press 'e'. :-)

      But seriously I think there are alot of companies (and individuals) that would like to use letters that aren't in the english alphabet in their domain names e.g. for sites that are not intended to be viewed outside their country.

    3. Re:Invalid Domain names by Igmuth · · Score: 1

      Well considering the site is marketing towards the Los Angeles area, I don't think the people there will have keyboards with that character set..

  80. $50 per year... by ATAMAH · · Score: 1

    ...thats a bit pricy, considering say a .com domain can be regged for $7-8.
    I wonder how much will somedomain.la cost after the original hype is gone.

  81. decatur ga by croddy · · Score: 1

    it's gonna be great once the city of decatur finishes negotiating for all that unused .de domain space!

  82. ATTENTION by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    *** !!! ***

    If you sign up for a domain name, type in some random number for the "Money Order #" method, the domain will appear to be REGISTERED! When you whois, it will say that it's been registered! This is a serious issue; even if the domain is in fact not registered until it's manually processed, people can not register that domain until its rejected (if indeed that happens, what are the chances that the registration actually goes through?)

    Use this knowledge at your own risk.

  83. Flamebait indeed.... by punkass · · Score: 1

    This line is here to foil obnoxious lame post filter...

    (Even More) Offtopic: Wouldn't it make more sense to give users more powerful message filtering capabilities than using faulty programming logic to block crapflooding (logic that also blocks legitimate posts, like code snippits or (on-topic) ascii art and poetry that happens to have uniform line lengths?

    I suppose if I really cared, I could get a book on perl and hack around with the slashcode myself...has anyone ever tried doing a blog site in EJB?

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  84. Newest registered... by mvdw · · Score: 1

    Right at the top of the "newest registrations": fucknut.la. Somehow, this seems appropriate.

  85. Thank Business.com for this crap. by Nexzus · · Score: 1

    The domain name Business.com was sold for like 7.5 million back in 99. That gave the idea to thousands of squatters that there's money to be made in them thar domain names.

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  86. Lasik is not trash by Hecatonchires · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Best thing I ever did. Clear vision is taken for granted by to many people.

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  87. .art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when i can i have my dot art ?

  88. True Web Rivalry by twoallbeefpatties · · Score: 1

    Nah, if you really want to start a domain name rivalry, let Massachusetts register .sox.red...

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  89. Re:screw you slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah, but my balls are still itchy, eh.

  90. Wouldn' that be... by djupedal · · Score: 1

    www.lala.land ...?

  91. In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TLD owns you!!

    apoligies in advance....

  92. laos should be revoked the right to .la by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I think that countries that contribute to the mess by giving away their TLDs this way do not deserve a TLD of their own, and ICANN should revoke it.

    1. Re:laos should be revoked the right to .la by cimetmc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quite on the contrary. It's ICANN that is contributing to the mess by keeping the top level doimans scarce so that there is a lot of money to make in the domain business. If ICANN would open up the top level domains, then there would be no need to misuse the country TLDs.

      Marcel

  93. Register your cheesy .la domain today! by Fragmented_Datagram · · Score: 1

    grep "la$" /usr/share/dict/words | sed 's/la$/.la/'

    Agrico.la Ange.la Ango.la Apalachico.la Aqui.la
    Be.la Bel.la
    Caligu.la Camil.la Car.la Carme.la Cinderel.la
    Del.la Denebo.la drosophi.la
    El.la Estel.la
    flotil.la formu.la
    Godzil.la gondo.la goril.la grano.la
    Guatema.la guerril.la
    hyperbo.la
    Isabel.la
    Jol.la
    Kampa.l a koa.la Kua.la
    Lei.la Li.la Lo.la Loyo.la Ludmil.la
    Mani.la Missou.la Modu.la Monongahe.la Motoro.la
    nab.la nebu.la
    Pame.la parabo.la Pau.la peninsu.la Pensaco.la
    Peril.la phy.la Priscil.la
    Rosel.la
    Savonaro.la Sca.la Scyl.la Shei.la
    Sim.la Simu.la spatu.la Stel.la
    Trichinel.la
    umbrel.la Ursu.la
    Valhal.la vanil.la Ve.la Vel.la Venezue.la
    Victro.la vil.la
    Wil.la

  94. Other city TLDs by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Informative
    If ICANN had assigned a TLD to a city, THAT would be news.

    Singapore .sg
    Monaco .mc
    Hong Kong .hk
    Macau .mo
    Gibraltar .gi
    Kuwait .kw
    Vatican .va
    Luxembourg .lu
    Saint Helena .sh

    Of these, most are indpendent city-states (or village-states), except for HK and Macau, which were European colonies and are now Chinese ones, Saint Helena, and Gibraltar, British colonies.

    1. Re:Other city TLDs by Uart · · Score: 2, Informative

      Luxembourg is larger than a city.

      Nor is Hong Kong

      they are small, yes, but note the other "dots" on those maps.

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    2. Re:Other city TLDs by bheer · · Score: 2, Funny

      root.sh would be a cool domain to have. So would vul.va but I don't think the Vatican would like that very much ;)

    3. Re:Other city TLDs by bheer · · Score: 1

      oops, my bad, root.sh already exists.

    4. Re:Other city TLDs by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      >Luxembourg is larger than a city.
      >Nor is Hong Kong

      HK is just over 1000 km2, a bit smaller than LA. It has a population of 6.8 million, a bit more than LA. Macau (.mo)is much smaller, but higher density.

    5. Re:Other city TLDs by Katchina'404 · · Score: 1

      Luxemburg and Koweit are far from being "just a city"... And you might as well have mentionned Liechtenstein and Andora.
      Because someplace isn't the size of Texas does not make it insignificant ;)

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    6. Re:Other city TLDs by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      I must disagree with you on some of those. Although the capitals of Kuwait and Luxembourg share the names of their respective countries, they also have other cities, and the TLDs are assigned to the countries, not the cities. Singapore looks somewhat questionable; the CIA World Factbook seems to suggest that it falls in this category as well, along with Djibouti and San Marino.

      Other countries whose capital cities share the name of the country include Mexico, Guatemala, and Panama.

      In any case, none of these count. ;-)

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    7. Re:Other city TLDs by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Luxembourg is most definately more than just a city. I know, I live there. Yeah, I know, it is as small as one of the big US cities, but don't diss the small things.

      Besides, did you know that Luxembourg is the only remaining Grand Duchy in the world? Bet, ya didn't.

      In short, if I would have had modpoints today, your post would lose that +5 status right away. As noted in many posts replying to you, most of these *are* countries. If you start to say that "small" != country, then where is your boundary? Belgium is small compared to some States in the US, but is it not a country?

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    8. Re:Other city TLDs by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      most of these *are* countries

      Yes, and I said "Of these, most are indpendent [sic] city-states". So what's your point?

    9. Re:Other city TLDs by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Other countries whose capital cities share the name of the country...

      That wasn't the criterion I used. I listed "tiny" districts with basically one city and no hinterland. And not being familiar with all of them, quite likely some are shaky. Since I live in Hong Kong and have spent time in Macau and Singapore, I can vouch for those.

    10. Re:Other city TLDs by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
      I'd agree that Luxembourg is more than a city, but I think that HongKong classifies -- especially now that it's been re-absorbed into China and is no longer a country/colony in it's own right.

      Note that (greater) LA is also a multi-city entity (metropolis).

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    11. Re:Other city TLDs by Varitek · · Score: 1

      Kuwait is a country, Kuwait City is a city. Monaco is a Prinipality - Monte Carlo is the city in Monaco. Luxembourg is a country, Luxembourg City is a city.

    12. Re:Other city TLDs by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      These are independent city states

      Singapore .sg

      Vatican .va

      These are semi-autonomous city states:

      Hong Kong .hk

      Macau .mo

      Gibraltar .gi

      Monaco is in effect a city-state, but the "capital" is Monte Carlo, so ...

      Monaco .mc

      These, on the other hand, are small countries about the size of US states:

      Kuwait .kw

      Luxembourg .lu

      Israel .il is of a comparable size to these, as is Jordan

      Lichtenstein (don't know TLD, much smaller than Kuwait and Luxembourg)

      An independent Palestine would go around here

      I'm not quite sure how large the island of St. Helena is.

      Andorra and San Marino are tiny states that I think could be called city-states.

    13. Re:Other city TLDs by sk8king · · Score: 1

      Canada is large geographically, but population wise, a few select U.S. cities would equal our population.

    14. Re:Other city TLDs by pne · · Score: 1

      Liechtenstein is .li

      My favourite page to look such things up is http://www.norid.no/domenenavnbaser/domreg.html

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    15. Re:Other city TLDs by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Monaco is in effect a city-state, but the "capital" is Monte Carlo

      I didn't concern myself with the "country name" vs "city name". For instance, Hong Kong's capital is officially called Victoria, though hardly anyone uses that name any more. Just whether there was a territory that basically was one city and maybe some countryside. So whether, for instance Kuwait, falls into this "city-state" category is a matter of opinion.

      I'm not quite sure how large the island of St. Helena is.

      410 sq km, over several islands. (Half the area of Hong Kong.)The CIA World Factbook is good for all those basics, including simple maps. And here is a good list of TLDs and links.

    16. Re:Other city TLDs by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was aware of all this stuff, but frankly, I didn't care enough to check the CIA World Factbook.

      Kuwait is far, far too large to be considered a city-state - it's something like 17,000-18,000 mi^2.

    17. Re:Other city TLDs by kgp · · Score: 1

      Actually these are still British Colonies and not cities:

      Gibraltar .gi
      Saint Helena .sh

      In addition to the remainder of the British Empire (the sun still doesn't set):

      British Indian Ocean Territory .io
      Pitcairn Islands .pn
      Falkland Islands .fk
      South Georgia .gs
      Ascension Island .ac
      Antigua and Barbuda .ag
      Guernsey .gg
      Heard and McDonald Islands .hm
      Isle of Man .im
      Jersey .je
      Virgin Islands (British) .vg

    18. Re:Other city TLDs by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Heard and McDonald Islands .hm

      These are Australian, not British.

      I think this must hold the record for the geographic TLD with the lowest population -- zero. Larger area than some of the cities, though.

      CIA factbook:
      These uninhabited, barren, sub-Antarctic islands were transferred from the UK to Australia in 1947. Populated by large numbers of seal and bird species, the islands have been designated a nature preserve.
  95. proper DNS form? by chemicallyreliant · · Score: 1

    I know that the DNS was designed to name network resources and this type of naming mentality is just wrong. The bad precendt was probably set years ago. Simmilar to the 'it shouldn't be www.somthing.com' but 'www.something.com.us(a?)' viewpoint. I belive that location-based names should be more geograpically based, so when read in reverse it tells you where it is to avoid confusion. city.state.(com, org, etc).country. Which if you wanted to find it you look at country 'country' find the state of 'state' and look for the city of 'city'. Like www.la.ca.com.us or www.dal.tx.com.us Who wants to see names of cities getting hijacked? We allready have enough of that with squatters and sounds-like domains.

  96. Re:I agree (Austin - au) by Davidge · · Score: 1

    Tell that to the myriad of fools from Austin who post to au.forsale (or other au. news groups), assuming it applies to them.

    Dave

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  97. Addresses Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh no...I see it now!

    www.john.smith.ca.la.90210

  98. This is news? by Daetrin · · Score: 1

    I've been hearing radio ads promoting the .la domain for months, possibly even a year.

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  99. Good News for Christmas! by bbsguru · · Score: 1

    I just checked: there is still time to grab fa.la.la.la.la and falalalalalala.la

  100. WORST ARTICLE EVER by jonhuang · · Score: 1

    Seriously. In summery: 1) .la has been around for abour 5 years. 2) .la is still laos, they just "sold" it to 3) a private company, and not L.A. 4) Vatican City and Hong Kong already had top level domains. 5) This is linked to DMNews, or "The Online Newspaper of Records for Online Marketers" This does not mean slashdot does not have many many articles that are interesting, thought-provoking, and true. Many other articles.

  101. Mozil.la... by bmwguy · · Score: 1

    ...anyone?

    1. Re:Mozil.la... by JPDeckers · · Score: 1

      Already registered, though, when I checked bugzil.la was still free. Nice for our internal developers to remember where to look.

    2. Re:Mozil.la... by angrytuna · · Score: 1

      owned by [whois.melbourneit.com], according to WhoIs.net

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  102. Are porn sites spam? by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    I guess it depends how you go about your business. Most porn sites are nothing but con jobs. Take the same pics, slap an annoying tour and signup page on the front, add a few annoying ad banners.. and that's supposedly your site. I count that as spam. Brownie points if I have no spam mail advertising your site though. :)

    If you have your own models and somewhat unique pics and no cheesy sign up and ads then I'll agree that you shouldn't be lumped in with spammers. The one site I can think of off the top of my head that I think is good would be suicidegirls.com (which I found because a /.'r mentioned it). They actually seem to have fairly decent content and a low annoyance level.. though not everyone will like their taste in women. :)

    No doubt the spamming method is pretty good for cash flow but as a user it is annoying.

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  103. .to for Toronto? by duncf · · Score: 1

    I really don't think .la for Los Angeles is any different from .to is for Toronto. Certainly, .la did not come first.

    Having said that, despite being a resident of Toronto, I don't know of any Toronto .to websites, and I doubt .la will fare any better.

  104. What about the Vatican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Vatican City State, a small area in the middle of Rome has its own tld - .va

    1. Re:What about the Vatican by juan2074 · · Score: 1

      But the Vatican selling its domain would be like selling papal indulgences. The Church would never do that.

  105. hmmm by theolein · · Score: 1

    crap.o.la

  106. smog.la by aquarian · · Score: 1

    ...cough, cough...

  107. so what by erikdotla · · Score: 1

    I got erik.la a really long time ago, and it was being marketed as "Los Angeles' own domain!" way back then. Something like two years ago. I paid $100 for a year, and I believe I've renewed it at least once, so it's been a while.

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  108. Los Angeles Gets Own TLD.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So in conclusion (from the other comments)

    • .la is not officially the Los Angeles domain, it's the Laos domain.
    • Los Angeles isn't the first city to have a TLD, .sk (Singapore),.va â" Holy See (City Vatican State) and .hk (Honkong). Oh, and .mc (Monaco)
    • hookers in .la cost $100 a year, wow.
    • Microsoft is going to get WIPO on somebody's ass.(sorry, forgot who)
    • OpenNIC already runs .geek
    • Something about tities and asses, not sure what though.
    1. Re:Los Angeles Gets Own TLD.... by Cackmobile · · Score: 1

      Thats because they are all countries

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  109. dang now I have to add Laos to my RBL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I expect spam any second now from .la. :-(

  110. no need to ask... by WebCowboy · · Score: 1

    because LA already has a domain under .US. There is in fact a second one if you prefer a more verbose address. I think there are a few US cities that use the .US TLD in the .. fashion. It seems that this practise is much more common outside the US though.

  111. British TLDs by henrygb · · Score: 1
    Why does the UK have 2 TLD's? .uk and .gb???

    Just wait until England (en), Wales (cw?), Scotland (??), and Northern Ireland (ul?) get their own.

    Every World Cup (soccer) nation should have its own TLD

    1. Re:British TLDs by Uart · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't think it were nearly as odd if they did it that way. Great Britain (.gb) and the United Kingdom (.uk) are, for all intents and purposes, synonymous.

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    2. Re:British TLDs by Nexum · · Score: 1

      GB = The landmass of England, Scotland, Wales.

      UK = The above plus Northern Ireland

      Hence the proper name for the UK is - "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

      -Nex

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    3. Re:British TLDs by Uart · · Score: 1

      Hence why I said they were the equivalent "for all intents and purposes." I was very careful about my wording, as I am fully aware of that fact.

      That still doesn't justify a second TLD

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  112. That is all well and good, however... by Zathras11 · · Score: 2, Funny

    it won't mean anything when California sinks into
    the Pacific. I guess then Laos gets it back...

  113. Re:me too by mirko · · Score: 1

    Wait until we've all switched to IPv6, I bet it will soon be possible to register any UTF16 string as a domain name.

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  114. .la = Lao People's Democratic Republic by yggdrazil · · Score: 1

    On June 9th, Los Angeles officially becomes the world's first city to have its own Internet domain.

    Wrong. This is yet another domain belonging to a third world banana republic, who unfortunately have sold out their domain name to speculators.

    Who in LA would really want to flash a Laos telephone number? Or a car licence plate? Why buy a third world domain name?

    Would .la domain owners really want a lot of questions about their connections to the country of Laos? Be sure to remind them where the domain name originates, or if they've been to Vientiane.

    1. Re:.la = Lao People's Democratic Republic by juan2074 · · Score: 1

      Lots of people in LA (and elsewhere) might like to buy a license plate from Laos. That would really confuse the cops when you tell them the car is registered in Laos.

  115. Hong Kong isn't really a country anymore by U96 · · Score: 1

    So it's basically just a city in China with its own TLD: ".hk"

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  116. You forgot San Marino by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

    .sm, it is more or less, just 1 city, and not a whole lot bigger than the vatican.

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    1. Re:You forgot San Marino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now, if only we could register my website for my company "Orga" there... I'm sure we'd get lots of hits.

  117. City-state of Singapore by makanaka · · Score: 0

    has had the .sg TLD for years now.

  118. Of course you don't... by psoriac · · Score: 1

    Of course you don't have moo.la to spare. I registered it 5 minutes ago. Sheesh.

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  119. Minnesota by acidradio · · Score: 1

    Some Minnesota state offices are starting to appear as *.mn which really belongs to Mongolia. Minnesota, Mongolia, who'da thunk? And with our tax dollars too!

  120. First address registered: by willpost · · Score: 1

    la.la.la

  121. LA already reserved their name!!! by Gish34334 · · Score: 0

    Uh Oh!
    These domains will not be registered:
    fuck.la : domain is reserved.
    fucked.la : domain is already registered.

    I guess I'm fsck'ed out of luck :)

  122. oh.la.la by mousse-man · · Score: 1

    NTXT

  123. HK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did Hong Kong all of a sudden become a country, or maybe it is a village now. Could have sworn it was a city. Or maybe .hk doesn't really exist and I am just imagining all those websites.

    1. Re:HK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're imagining HK. Everybody moved to Australia and Canada.

  124. 1 million .LA domains? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
    The operator expects 1 million .la addresses to be registered over the next few years.

    That's 1 domain for every 2 or 3 families. I think that they have rather high expectations -- especially at $50/domain/year.

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  125. DNS nightmare. by The+Monster · · Score: 1
    The TLD's aren't being used the way they were meant to be used anyway
    Because doing away with the concept of a TLD turns DNS into a single directory. Just as it takes forever to do an ls in a directory with 100,000 files in it, DNS lookups in a flat namespace would be a nightmare. The way DNS works, if you can't find whatever.la.ca.us, you query .us, which in turn may direct you to .ca, then to .la, which tells you where whatever is, depending on how the DNS admins of each level want to do it. Taking away the hierarchical structure of DNS means that you have to have root DNS servers with billions of entries, instead of the hundreds now needed to simply direct you to the TLD DNS servers.

    The fact that most people don't understand the Tao of *nix

    which includes this sort of design decision that distributes configuration information into separate files instead of centralizing it into a giant, easily corrupted Registry
    does not mean that it is invalid. In the original example, the root DNS servers would have to know what .shue is, and every other word in every language that someone wanted to use as a TLD. OK, she's cute, but does she deserve her own entry in the root DNS?
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    1. Re:DNS nightmare. by bastardadmin · · Score: 1

      Indeed.
      This logic tends to be better employed outside the US (witness the more prevalent use of ccTLDs in Europe than in North America).
      The original gTLDs were short sweet and to the point... and made sense in the context of most european languages, witht he exception of .gov and .mil, which are unabashedly US centric, but what the hell it was a DARPA project after all. The ccTLDs make perfectly good sense in the context of the countries concerned (albeit rendered at times into a different alphabet).
      I have to say that even the new TLDs that have appeared (.info, .museum) are a) too english-centric for a lot of the world and b) cover ground that should probably be accounted for under an existing ccTLD or gTLD.

      But that's just my $0.02.

  126. Ethos of the internet community. by sonicsft · · Score: 1

    Is it me or does having a localized TLD counterintuitive to the ethos of the internet community? The internet as a place exists without borders and nationality. The only things that people have to use to discriminate is language and experience. Yet on IRC or USENET I'll occasionally have people who say things like you're only disagreeing with me, or you're only treating me like this because I'm >>insert a minority from where ever they are from here. We need more qualitative domain names, perhaps a process that takes into account nature of the material, organization, and language not location like .la and .us are setting the precident for. Domains like en.news.com.slashdot similar to the USENET naming style. The only place that regional information belongs is for stuff like en.us.gov.irs etc....

    Sure it takes away a lot of the marketability/familiarity of internet addresses and complicates systems like email but its just a basis for thought.

    -sonic

  127. United Kingdom, Great Britain aren't the same by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

    Great Britain (.gb) and the United Kingdom (.uk) are, for all intents and purposes, synonymous.

    The IRA and other paramilitary organisations don't think so, and have spent the well over 30 years killing people because of those beliefs. A great many other people that haven't resorted to violence would also take offense at that statement.

    To those that don't know - and I realise that this probably doesn't apply to you Uart - Great Britain comprises of England, Scotland and Wales, whereas the United Kingdom comprises of those three countries and Northern Ireland too.

    Too much has happened over the issue of Northern Ireland's sovreignty - too much blood has been shed, too many lives have been lost - for anyone to ever equate Great Britain and United Kingdom.

    I agree, it does seem that in everyday speech the two seem to be used as interchangeable terms but that's got more to do with the an acceptable level of lazyness than anything else.

    By that I mean it's generally accepted to says "Britain" when you really mean the United Kingdom, or to call someone "British", even if they're Northern Irish (although they might take serious offense depending on their political persuasion), just as it's generally accepted that the term "America" refers to the United States of America specifically, and that "American" refers to one of its citizens, rather than the broader but more accurate definitions of those labels.

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    1. Re:United Kingdom, Great Britain aren't the same by Uart · · Score: 1

      I was simply referring to its use as a TLD. I was fully aware of that -- my father is from Scotland, and won't let me ever forget that.

      Perhaps i could have worded that better, but, alas, I did not.

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  128. who runs by pahpabut · · Score: 0

    land.la.la ?
    checked the whois, and it's just an exchange, 202.456.1414

  129. I want to be cool too by p3d0 · · Score: 1
    From www.la:
    Cooler than .com and hotter than .us, a .la address lets people know not just who you are, but where you are!
    Groan. Old white ad execs in business suits should never use the word "cool".

    Seriously, though, what happens to the people and businesses of Laos? I know Toronto businesses already register .to domains from Tonga, but that's not "official", and presumably Tonga still controls the domain registration.

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  130. online turf wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Congratulations!
    This domain will be registered:
    crips.la : $50.00/year

    These domains will not be registered:
    bloods.la : domain is already registered.

  131. That explains it by tacocat · · Score: 1

    I kept going to these Chicago sites looking for something to do on the weekend and all I could ever find was talk about a dam and how to make reall good noodles.

    But now I understand where I went wrong. 'ch' doesn't stand for Chicago does it?

    1. Re:That explains it by juan2074 · · Score: 1

      What does talk about a dam and how to make reall[y] good noodles have to do with Switzerland?

  132. Paparelli alert!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Paparelli, please stop it. This is no longer funny.

    Moderators: mod parent as troll.

  133. sorry, your domain name is taken by Mynn · · Score: 1

    go to the host that is 'selling' the names and you'll see that every keycombo.la you put in is mysteriously "taken".

    Unless going to the domain registrar in charge of 'selling' the domain names and requesting to 'buy' a domain name isn't the way to go about it?

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  134. Slashdot's new domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, a popular news site has picked up it's own TLD, for more information visit http://slashdot.dot

  135. In other news... by kotj.mf · · Score: 1
    ... the Kinks have moved their official site to www.lo-lo-lo-lo-lo.la.

    Thanks. I'll be here all week, folks.

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  136. History of the change by vianetman · · Score: 1

    Here is some history from the IANA

  137. Use it with Register Multiple Names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >> If you sign up for a domain name, type in some random number for the "Money Order #" method, the domain will appear to be REGISTERED.

    Cool, now just grab your dictionary file....

  138. Newsworthy by uberdood · · Score: 1

    Let's review.

    Los Angeles steals^H^H^H^H^Hbuys a TLD == geeky newsworthy.

    President Bush falls off a Segway on level ground != geeky newsworthy.

    Yep, that's /. for you.

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    1. Re:Newsworthy by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Los Angeles steals^H^H^H^H^Hbuys a TLD == geeky newsworthy.

      No, see, that probably WOULD be newsworthy, but that's not what happened. Some company steals^H^H^H^H^H^Hbuys a TLD, then markets it as if it were supposed to be for Los Angeles in a desperate grab for cash - THAT'S what's not newsworthy.

      And GWB falling off a Segway is pretty damned amusing. Of course, this is also the guy who choked on a pretzel while watching football, fell off the couch and passed out on the floor...

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  139. Pure Dung by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree. Stupid article. Who gives a toss. Is it really THAT significant ?

    Its a pity there wasn't a .ah TLD. Yeah, we could put all assholes in here like spammers, pr0n merchants and any company involved in this whole .la crap !

  140. Re:fp!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what are you some kind of french homosexual wiping your ass with silk?

    Mais, oui!

  141. The land of clean, spring rain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't Deutchland where chicks go to get their snatch cleaned out? :)

  142. Fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    • Every US city has a domain (la.ca.us in this case), though some don't use it.
    • la is still the ccTLD for Laos, they're just delegating to a foreign registry.

    So how can the claim that "Los Angeles is the world's first and only city to receive its own unique Internet address; .la" possibly avoid being fraudulent?

  143. Did you get it from Enic? by FatAssBastard · · Score: 0

    The founder/owner of Enic.cc is a friend of a friend whom I've met before. A couple of years ago I had heard that Enic had signed the deal with Laos, then I saw this article today, and it made me scratch my head.

    Of course, he (Brian Cartmell) is kind of a blowhard, so maybe he was in negotiations and never actually sold .la domains.

    Just curious.....

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  144. bye bye LA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe LA should separate from the States and be a country.

  145. And the coolest part by devphil · · Score: 1


    It's the only country in the world that can honestly list its "average national literacy rate" at a flat freaking 100%. :-)

    And, if I'm not mistaken, the only country in the world where every single citizen is bi- or tri-lingual. Like my high-school teachers would say, talk is cheap, learn some more languages.

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    1. Re:And the coolest part by vuud · · Score: 1

      And its protected (or at least the pope is) by Swiss commandos. Also the richest bank in the world and the largest land holders. I'd get into that whole Nazi gold thing from ww2 but that would be too much

  146. Pay Attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pay Attention to the way THE UNITED STATES WORK AND THE Psyche of the general population.

    Word association is an important marketing tool.
    I've been watching www.la and I've seen lots of names dissappearing over night.

    The bottom line is no one in the USA even thinks about Laos. But they all know LA is Short for Los Angeles. This press is giving www.la just the boost that they need. And once people start going to sites ending in .la they will associate that with Los Angeles instead of Laos.
    End of Story.

    I bought one today.

    Why wait to follow when you can lead!

  147. Microsoft in position to become main registrar. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always wondered why Bill has never implemented this. Considering that whenever you type something like 'www.hotwhores.com', all this does is have your browser send a request to a master server, which then tells you the numeric equivalent assigned to that name, which then your browser uses to access that server.

    Well, considering IE is the most used browser, it would be really easy for Bill to retool it for new domain extensions. He could set up his own master list server for new domains, such as .sex, .food, .app, etc. He could include this in all new versions of every Microsoft app premptively, and then wait till there was a critical mass of installation. This wouldn't take long. The users wouldn't even know. The one day, Bill has a press conference announcing new domains for sale, and he would bypass ICANN with no problem.

  148. Re:Article - regarding .bz by valandor · · Score: 1

    As a clarification, Belize is somewhat wired and is becoming moreso since the telco lost its monopoly. The marketing of .bz as (business) rather than Belize is something most of the IT users here were against but it was also one of the country's many crooked deals that get rubber stamped before anyone else hears about it.

  149. .lax by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    It'd be interesting to see what people did with TLDs that matched the city's airport codes. re.lax, smi.lax, whatit.lax... Perth would be a bonanza: whis.per, clas.per, hop.per, chop.per, su.per, usur.per, worship.per, stop.per, whim.per, newspa.per, eavesdrop.per, gatekee.per, cam.per, bloo.per and so on (grep per$ /usr/share/dict/words).

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