The government represents the people much in the same way that the consumer's choice is reflected in their purchaes...
The people are limited in their choices for representation in government much in the same way that people's choices are limited when dealing with business..
My point was simply refuting the parent posters point of the market being the final determination of the will of the people..
The only clear fact is that the people are severely limited in their choices.
Don't kid yourself, this really is a small fine for a company the size of Microsoft. For all companies, small fines are just the cost of doing business. They'll just raise the price of some of the products elsewhere to cover the loss in profit.
$5 million a day equates to over $1.8 billion a year.. even for MS, $1.8B annually is more than just a cost of doing buiness.
While the tilting scroll wheel is a nice add.. why don't they just make it a mini track ball for scrolling purposes... you know that's where it's going anyway.
google is in the business of making money, not helping you find things on the internet - that is just a side effect.
Google also knows that part of business is public perception. Google's public perception is one of integrity, and that it one big reason people like them. Yes they are in a business to make money, but one eventually must ask: If their success is being based on integrity and quality of product, how does bending their own rules affect them and their business in relation to public perception.
I know you were joking but wouldn't it be interesting to say have a wind up generator, this would solve two problems, it would generate power for the controller and provide kinetic energy for the rumble pack...
Kills two birds with one stone...
However, I have the feeling that they will just have recharge stations or something similar to Logitechs MX1000 mouse which has a very handy battery level LED on the unit itself.
The source of emissions would be more controlled rather than spread out and implementation of pollution controls would be much easier.
Personally speaking I would much rather have a single point of emissions creating electricity for thousands of vehicles than thousands of vehicles being tiny little pollution emitters on their own.
Not only that but with a more common power source methods of generation and storage would advance at an increased rate...
FreeBSD (used on the private business' backoffice server that nobody except the sysadmin sees)
Like I said.. the image that it has as you so eloquently illustrated is home/small office.. they want to change that into something larger and more recognizable to the general public and to corporations.
football teams (watched in the home) canned ham spread (eaten in the home) vacuum cleaners (used in the home)
While I have no real problem with the BSD daemon, to me it doesn't *feel* like a professional branding, and lets face it..no matter what the underlying technology there is something to the image of a product when decisions are made.. just look at Apple for proof of that.
Didn't I read somewhere that it was possible to use your home's electrical system for networking purposes.
it seems to me that something like that would be ideal for sound systems considering the fact that the speakers need to get power from somewhere... even if signal transmission became completely wireless.. amplification will (AFAIK) always require a cable.. even if it's a short one connecting to a wall jack behind the speaker.
..and Bungie said there was no deal with Microsoft days before they were bought out. Point being, you cannot trust business press releases..EVER.. they have no obligation to tell you the truth and they may very well be under some form of NDA...
YOU sir have bought into consumerism.. YOU were the one who exhaulted WalMart.
I'll agree that software doesn't rank as a public need.. but a public service YES..
If that's what you want, great, but don't get too full of yourself that free software is like free soup kitchens and shelters.
I'm sorry you've come to that assumption. It's completely wrong, but hey.. you're welcome to your own opinions. You've also completely missed my point as I believe we are discussing two completely different things... and before you start speaking about people getting too full of themselves, you should look in the mirror first... Personally speaking you sound a little arrogant.. as I probably do to you... and since we both are probably speaking from completely different viewpoints about completely different things while refusing to listen to the other person, I really don't see any reason to continue this thread...
As soon as you make business your main focus, you fail. What makes these games great was the dedication that went into making them. They were great games because the designers WANTED them to be great. When you add a business man to the mix it goes from what the developer wants to be doing to something he has been instructed to do. The job that was great now becomes a 9 to 5 drudgery and it shows... ask anyone who was does anything creative.. once the work is no longer your own, you pretty much lose the desire to make it great and just count the minutes until you can get home to the projects you really love.
This business man is just wrong... I've seen it too many times... change the focus to money and you lose the soul of the product.
It doesn't have anything to do with this discussion, but I'm really tired of this attitude. How does your average Joe benefit from linux? Maybe some lower costs to web hosting? A bit more secure servers? Less vendor lock in? Big deal.. Walmart saves consumers money, but no one argues this somehow benefits society.
Yeah Walmart saves you money at the *expense* of other people. Walmart passes savings on to you by taking advantages of desperaition of others... The Linux community offers themselves freely to benefit the whole. THAT's the difference and why Walmart is hated and Linux is not...and yes.. Linux does contribute to society because of the things you mentioned, not because it's anything special but because it's offered freely...
To put it a different way... say some people volunteer to paint houses for low income people and do a damn good job at it... You're point of view seems to be, "Hey! The guy that charges me a few thousand dollars to paint my house never gets any sort of recognition, and he does the same thing those volunteers do!"
I think the whole point you're missing is that no one is really saying that it's wrong to sell software, nor is it wrong to give it away for free for the benefit of society... The point is that the comment about the Linux community somehow matching Gates contribution is somewhat unfair... The Linux community is ALREADY contributing to the good of society and doesn't have the means to do it twice over. The only difference is that Gates has just transferred some of the wealth that was acquired by MS from the people who bought the products and giving it to third world children, giving himself a healthy dose of glorification in the process.
I have no doubt that this is a relatively good thing, but it also feels like a PR stunt regardless of his actual motives.
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Lucas should ask Pixar to make the next Star Wars film..?
Personally speaking I think it would be interesting to see what Pixar would do with something dark and semi-serious.
The government represents the people much in the same way that the consumer's choice is reflected in their purchaes...
The people are limited in their choices for representation in government much in the same way that people's choices are limited when dealing with business..
My point was simply refuting the parent posters point of the market being the final determination of the will of the people..
The only clear fact is that the people are severely limited in their choices.
Perhaps the customers ARE deciding via their elected government..
You know.. a government is supposed to REPRESENT THE PEOPLE.
$5 million a day equates to over $1.8 billion a year.. even for MS, $1.8B annually is more than just a cost of doing buiness.
While the tilting scroll wheel is a nice add.. why don't they just make it a mini track ball for scrolling purposes... you know that's where it's going anyway.
Google also knows that part of business is public perception. Google's public perception is one of integrity, and that it one big reason people like them. Yes they are in a business to make money, but one eventually must ask: If their success is being based on integrity and quality of product, how does bending their own rules affect them and their business in relation to public perception.
...why can't the just place a label.. must be at least X age to play this game.
For a second there I thought this was the patch for World of Starcraft... wait a minute, this is 2005 isn't it?.. nevermind.
Sometimes I lose track of time!
I know you were joking but wouldn't it be interesting to say have a wind up generator, this would solve two problems, it would generate power for the controller and provide kinetic energy for the rumble pack...
Kills two birds with one stone...
However, I have the feeling that they will just have recharge stations or something similar to Logitechs MX1000 mouse which has a very handy battery level LED on the unit itself.
As opposed to what benefits of the current system over a more centralized power generation system?
Not necessarily....
The source of emissions would be more controlled rather than spread out and implementation of pollution controls would be much easier.
Personally speaking I would much rather have a single point of emissions creating electricity for thousands of vehicles than thousands of vehicles being tiny little pollution emitters on their own.
Not only that but with a more common power source methods of generation and storage would advance at an increased rate...
..and without looking.. what are the brand logos for each of the above...
I don't know them, do you!? In other words.. if they're meant to be high profile, they certainly aren't doing a very good job of it.. AFAIK.
IT: MS Security Chief Says Windows is Safer Than Linux....
FreeBSD (used on the home server box)
FreeBSD (used on the private business' backoffice server that nobody except the sysadmin sees)
Like I said.. the image that it has as you so eloquently illustrated is home/small office.. they want to change that into something larger and more recognizable to the general public and to corporations.
football teams (watched in the home)
canned ham spread (eaten in the home)
vacuum cleaners (used in the home)
While I have no real problem with the BSD daemon, to me it doesn't *feel* like a professional branding, and lets face it..no matter what the underlying technology there is something to the image of a product when decisions are made.. just look at Apple for proof of that.
That we have equipment sensitive enough to track a probe's position to within *1* km all the way out on Titan..
saying it seems rather bland but when you think of how many millions of miles away it is, I think it's pretty remarkable.
That's all I needed.. an image of a crystallized turd floating through space....
Didn't I read somewhere that it was possible to use your home's electrical system for networking purposes.
it seems to me that something like that would be ideal for sound systems considering the fact that the speakers need to get power from somewhere... even if signal transmission became completely wireless.. amplification will (AFAIK) always require a cable.. even if it's a short one connecting to a wall jack behind the speaker.
One would think that a picture of mars would be better...
..and Bungie said there was no deal with Microsoft days before they were bought out. Point being, you cannot trust business press releases..EVER.. they have no obligation to tell you the truth and they may very well be under some form of NDA...
Dude.. get a life beyond money, people are more than just a resource.
10 to 1 says your a small business owner... or management of some sort.
YOU sir have bought into consumerism.. YOU were the one who exhaulted WalMart.
I'll agree that software doesn't rank as a public need.. but a public service YES..
If that's what you want, great, but don't get too full of yourself that free software is like free soup kitchens and shelters.
I'm sorry you've come to that assumption. It's completely wrong, but hey.. you're welcome to your own opinions. You've also completely missed my point as I believe we are discussing two completely different things... and before you start speaking about people getting too full of themselves, you should look in the mirror first... Personally speaking you sound a little arrogant.. as I probably do to you... and since we both are probably speaking from completely different viewpoints about completely different things while refusing to listen to the other person, I really don't see any reason to continue this thread...
As soon as you make business your main focus, you fail. What makes these games great was the dedication that went into making them. They were great games because the designers WANTED them to be great. When you add a business man to the mix it goes from what the developer wants to be doing to something he has been instructed to do. The job that was great now becomes a 9 to 5 drudgery and it shows... ask anyone who was does anything creative.. once the work is no longer your own, you pretty much lose the desire to make it great and just count the minutes until you can get home to the projects you really love.
This business man is just wrong... I've seen it too many times... change the focus to money and you lose the soul of the product.
It doesn't have anything to do with this discussion, but I'm really tired of this attitude. How does your average Joe benefit from linux? Maybe some lower costs to web hosting? A bit more secure servers? Less vendor lock in? Big deal.. Walmart saves consumers money, but no one argues this somehow benefits society.
Yeah Walmart saves you money at the *expense* of other people. Walmart passes savings on to you by taking advantages of desperaition of others... The Linux community offers themselves freely to benefit the whole. THAT's the difference and why Walmart is hated and Linux is not...and yes.. Linux does contribute to society because of the things you mentioned, not because it's anything special but because it's offered freely...
To put it a different way... say some people volunteer to paint houses for low income people and do a damn good job at it... You're point of view seems to be, "Hey! The guy that charges me a few thousand dollars to paint my house never gets any sort of recognition, and he does the same thing those volunteers do!"
I think the whole point you're missing is that no one is really saying that it's wrong to sell software, nor is it wrong to give it away for free for the benefit of society... The point is that the comment about the Linux community somehow matching Gates contribution is somewhat unfair... The Linux community is ALREADY contributing to the good of society and doesn't have the means to do it twice over. The only difference is that Gates has just transferred some of the wealth that was acquired by MS from the people who bought the products and giving it to third world children, giving himself a healthy dose of glorification in the process.
I have no doubt that this is a relatively good thing, but it also feels like a PR stunt regardless of his actual motives.
Just my 2 cents.