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XM and Sirius Merger?
chipset writes "Well, it seems Sirius and XM are in talks again. This story from FoxNews indicates they are in merger discussions and want to expand their reach into all communications from space. This includes Cell, Music, and TV. I would love to see something like this take place. Give DirecTV and DishNetwork a little competition."
By reducing competition in satellite radio? No thanks.
sulli
RTFJ.
They aren't in the same market.
Sirius CEO says no merger.
Interesting.
I hope they don't get rid of any of the superior Sirius programming. We don't need another merger like G4/TechTV (though I know, its not to that extreme).
"It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
I think the Sirius CEO denied the marger.
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Nope. Sorry.s /business/digital/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_ id=1000777229
http://billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/new
The thing I find funny is that the exact same story was submitted yesterday.l ?sid=05/01/2 6/2319240&tid=91&tid=14
http://science.slashdot.org/article.p
I mean it's the exact same story.
The link in the blurb is the same.
The blurb itself is the same.
The submitter is the same.
EVEN THE POSTER IS THE SAME.
Last time it was in "digital" and "science" and this time it's in the same sections (which are, relatedly, a totally wrong categorization, for which samzenpus should be flogged with a bundle of cat5 ethernet cables)
I emailed daddypants@slashdot.org about this, to no avail; the dupe got posted anyhow.
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I just hope they take over XM's price.
Don't worry.
It's a hoax.
"If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living."
- Seneca
Try creating a monopoly on satellite radio before the industry even gets off its feet
XM and their lone competitor merging? You can't be Sirius!
The Uncoveror: It's the real news.
Because everybody's VAX needs satellite radio for that high-quality audio sound! :)
joshua
http://billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/prin table_version.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000777229
Someone please educate this samzenpus that the "Digital" topic is _not_ appropriate for this item. (And, incidentally, that it's not appropriate for any recent item any more.)
Thanks, JAB
http://www.forbes.com/2005/01/26/0126autofacescan0 4.html
all the lovely details on the official response to this merger. The story broke this morning and not an hour later Mel Karmazin (Sirius CEO) had a response out. Its up to you to decide if that's spin control or the truth.
"I would love to see something like this take place"
You've got to be kidding me. We need competition in this market, to drive down prices and increase the quality of service. Plus, with Sirius you get a no-ClearChannel service. Can't say the same about XM.
That way for 1 fee:
Howard Stern
Opie & Anthony
awesome!
I flipped past Fox News just a few minutes ago and they reported that the president of XM had no idea where this story came from.
Technoli
Yep - the denial was reported earlier today on several sources:s /business/digital/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_ id=1000777229
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Way to stay on the news.
this has been all over the net all day.
Including for the last few hours the fact that NO they are NOT in talks to Merge.
Maybe the "Editors" should be required to hit up news.google.com to check on stuff like this *BEFORE* they post news stories.
While urbanites have plenty of cable/satellite/OTA options (for TV OR for radio), rural areas have far more limited choices. Taking away competition between the 2 sat giants (whether it's DirecTV/Dish or XM/Sirius involved), generally reduces the choices for rural communities by HALF.
No word yet on the Homer-er from the XM CEO.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
I think it's a good idea if they merge. Their real compatition is not each other, but traditional radio. Clearchannel knows this and that is why they own a large percentage of one of the companies. XM I think.
The playing field is all of media, not just satellite radio. It would be really nice if Sirius merged with XM and then another merger with Direct TV or Dish Network. The combined company would be big enough to be able to fund some really nice services. You think MyFi is nice, how about a handheld player where you can receive radio and TV at once?
For those that rant against "big corporations" this is a capital intensive business. Satellites cost a lot of money. Launching them is expensive. If something goes wrong, the entire company can go out of business. Being big is an advantage since it means you can fund redundancy and survive a catastrophe.
OK?
It would be worse than say, oh HP and Compaq merging. Less competition is a very bad thing
The one thing that I think would be really cool, but I'm not sure of the feasability of, would be to eliminate the need for a perfectly aimed dish for sattelite TV. I live in an area where it's impossible to get good line of sight for DirecTV. Does anyone know whether Sirius / XM could alleviate this problem, since apparently the radios can be used indoors? I know radio is a lot less bandwith, but I'm not sure whether that is the issue, or perhaps they use different frequencies, or possibly just have stronger signal strength.
Mel Karmazin characterized a New York Post report of a potential XM-Sirius merger as the "third rumor" he has had to deal with in his first eight weeks as Sirius CEO. "I have not met with the [XM] chair or the CEO, so I have no idea where this has come from," he said during his firm's Wednesday morning (1/26) earnings conference call. Commenting later in the call on a question about potential antitrust restrictions for such a merger, Karmazin said he would never try to predict what the government would or wouldn't approve, adding that he thought such a merger would be a "difficult deal to get through." According to Post writer Tim Arango, the two satellite competitors have been meeting lately to talk about the possibility of a merger but the discussions have not advanced. Among the topics reportedly discussed is how to maneuver antitrust concerns that would arise from what would amount to a monopoly in the fledgling satellite radio business. To alleviate those concerns, the Post suggests the two rivals' strategy would be to convince regulators that satellite radio is part of the exploding mobil music market. Combining XM and Sirius would ease a price war for content, reduce marketing costs and provide other cost efficiencies.
WTF?
Me lost me cookie at the disco.
I wish they would give college students free satilite radio, kind of like what Penn State does with napster. It would be a nice addition. Like a few years ago, I think it was Duke gave out free ipods. So one of them, give free recivers and service.It might cut back on piracy
So we will be forced to have Clear Channel crap (They have a big part in XM) on the radio with NO choice...again? No thanks. I love my sirus and I like the fact XM is also there. It forces sirus to be always comming up with new stuff.
Why try and go after DISH/Echostar and DirectTV? Its not like there is much money there. Plus they would have to deal with those 2 long standing companys and the cable co AND now the telco's are getting in to the TV game. With fiber-to-home thats comming out soon DBS is going to be only sellable in remote areas.
I have to return some videotapes...
Why the DEC logo?
Competition? You mean after I rip out my factory radio and replace it with another radio, just to try out the other service, and then if I liked the first one....
If there was a broadcast standard there would be competition. Right now it's two proprietary semi-monopolies for most consumers.
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While this is pretty unfounded, it does open the door to further speculation. My personal choice (if I were CEO of XM or Sirius) would be to acquire Real and merge my subscriber base with the Rhapsody subscribers. One account and you can stream Rhapsody to your computer or sat radio to your reciever. Personally, I'd subscribe to such a service.
Hughs (who owns DirecTV).. also has investments in XM... so DirectTV and XM are owned alteast partially by the same company
ClearChannel used to own part of XM, but they don't anymore.
It's a good thing the merger rumour was just that because if it were true the new company would probably be named Sirius-XM. Serious sex, mmm... Now imagine a merger of the new company with SK-Earthlink... Ask a earthling: serious sex, mmm? I suspect alien involvement...
I seriously doubt their satellites are equipped to broadcast video, or anything other than satellite radio for that matter.
No, xeriously!
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This just in from FoxNews.....
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We have breaking information from FoxNews corespondant....
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OH! FoxNews is reporting.....
Damn it!
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Stay tuned...
BTW, clearchannel only owns about a 2% stake in XM, I dont' even think they have representative on the board now. Considering clearchannel has been trying to get XM to drop their localized weather and traffic channels, they have very little control over XM.
Clear water complains to FCC about XM and Sirius
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
other....why does every moron on here say XM's content is from Clear Channel.
They have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.
morons.
"Try creating a monopoly on satellite radio before the industry even gets off its feet"
I'm not sure the industry is going to get any more off its feet as far as additional competition.
This isn't exactly like a Windows -vs- Linux battle because these are both pieces of software that more often than not will run on the same hardware.
In the case of satellite radio you have to buy hardware specific to that company. I'd equate this more to Betamax -vs- VHS. Betamax may have been a superior format but for those who already had VHS, what incentive was there to buy another piece of proprietary hardware?
Of course there are kits that allow you to use satellite radio with a head unit that doesn't come satellite-ready that would allow switching, but even then you're still having to buy more proprietary hardware.
For there to be any new competition in the market, there is going to have to be innovation that takes satellite radio beyond its current form because nobody is going to care if yet another company pops up with commercial-free satellite radio that is identical to the others except for 1) Company name 2) Content offered.
But what does Sirius / XM have to do with the now defunc Digital? I think /. has some young people sorting articles now.
I really hope something like this doesn't happen.
I have Sirius, and I'm pleased as punch with it. I can't see how merging with XM (if the story is, in fact, true) would make things any better.
Sirius has some great stations with good DJs. The bigger you make the company, the more whitewashed it becomes. I don't know what XM is all about, but people who have it tell me they like it. That's fine. But a little compitition never hurt anyone. Monopolies, on the other hand, usually don't work, espically with something as subjective as music.
The Internet is generally stupid
I think most current XM and Serius customers who already think they're paying enough money would disagree.
I think Microsoft and God should merge - that way, you wouldn't have to worry about where you go when you die.
It's a hoax
A false news report from Fox?! Say it isn't so!
It was a false news report from the New York Post, that Fox News picked up and quickly disproved.
Both companies, however, are News Corp. owned.
WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE GET THIS CRAP???
Clear Channel does not own a significant portion of EITHER company. Clear Channel, at one point, owned a SMALL AMOUNT of stock. More than a year ago they SOLD those shares. Clear Channel has absolutely no voice or control in either company.
Why do people who know NOTHING about a subject post about it?
I think this needs to happen if satellite radio will be viable in 5+ years. There's too much overhead cost involved to split what some would call a niche market. Will the FCC allow it? I'm 50/50 on it. However, I think there could be an argument that satellite radio is a "natural monopoly" similiar to cable or local telephone. Since the costs of entering the market are so high (launching satellites, content costs, programming managers, DJs, etc) I think there could be an argument for this. It's different from broadcast radio because broadcast radio serves a local market and if you only own one station, you only need to worry about content for one channel, where in satellite you have to manage 100+ channels. Just my $.02.
What would be even funnier is if the comments were the same too.
There is usually a hush-hush phase during the initial barter for mergers of this kind.
"I invented the satellite radio merger Robin." - Howard Stern
Don't worry.
If you look at the slash logos on top, you'll see the logo of Digital Electronics Corporation, and Albert Einstein's head. Now, what do DEC and Einstein have in common, besides being dead? That's right, absolutely nothing. This proves that neither the submitter, nor the slashdot editor, actually has any idea what they're doing. Therefore, this story is probably bullshit.
QED.
It is most certainly NOT a hoax. My brother's neighbor's cousin's roommate works for Sirius and he's positive he overheard something in the lunchroom about this.
I check back later and find "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along."
I don't know what the relationship is, exactly, but Dish Network already rebroadcasts/picks up the Sirius radio stations. Why bite the hand that feeds you?
m ming/sir ius/index.shtml
See:
http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/progra
I doubt the two will merge. They're the two biggest (not to mention only ones, that I know of) satellite radio companies, so I doubt that big review organization will allow the merge to go through.
Debugging? Klingons do not debug. Bugs are good for building character in the user.
Yeah, that period where the CEO of the company categorically denies that any such merger is planned and they have never even met with the other CEO. That way they totally catch the investors off guard when they announce "Psyche! I had my fingers crossed!"
Dish Network and Sirius already merged together so that would make Dish Network - Sirius - XM all as one big company sharing resources ($money$) and ideas!
**cough** **cough** **clear channel** **cough** **cough**
Besides the rarity of them with a 1 year pre paid sub makes them good sellers on fleabay.
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Who the hell is this "Samzenpus," and why in sweet Jeebus did someone give him the ability to post stories? It seems like every time I see a story that makes me say, "What the hell?" it's because he/she/it has posted it. Don't believe me? How about the illustrious Mac mini announcement?
Traditional radio is not their competition. People get tap water for free - yet bottled water still sells. How would consolidating down to one bottled water company increase the popularity of tap water?
Karmazin: Sirius CEO Scoffs At XM Merger, Stern Rescheduling Rumors
... 19 hours between just one repudiation amongst dozens.
Greg Levine, 01.26.05, 1:44 PM ET
Slashdot: Science: XM and Sirius Merger?
[ Digital ]
Posted by samzenpus on 01-26-05 20:16
So
I typed "Sirius" into Google News, and instantly discovered that the story was discredited.
Please, Slashdot editors, do something more than nothing to confirm stories!
Mel karmazin is a deek and so is stern.
Having had XM for a few months, I can not even begin to tell how absolutely sucky broadcast radio is. I know you think you know that it sucks. I thought so to. But I just didn't realize how horrid it had become until I had a wealth of listening options in my car. Just the thought of yet another inane "radio personality" (I refuse to use the term DJ... they're not) screaching at me makes me shutter. And if I have to go somewhere in my wife's car (sans XM)... ugh.
As far as a merger... well, I must admit that I'm a bit miffed with their exclusive sports contracts right now. XM has (or will have) Major League Baseball and Sirius has (or will have) NFL. I'd love to have both, but not if I have to get two sets of equipment and pay two subscription charges.
I think most of the rest of the programming (Stern and company excluded) is mostly duplicated between the two. The music selections are very similar as is much of the other programming.
Right now, I think they need to grow the subscriber base and I don't know as if the competition between XM and Sirius helps matters. I've heard a lot of people say that they're waiting to see which one survives before jumping on board. That's not a good thing for the long term viability of either one. In the long run, I think a merger would be helpful. They're competing against the status quo and against "free" broadcast radio. That alone should keep rates down. I don't think the XM vs. Sirius competition really means as much.
-S
--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
but what does this have to do with DEC?
/* oops I accidentally made a comment, sorry */
Are you insane? Big corporate behemoths merging together never results in competition. The elephants are mating, and customers are the grass.
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Cripes. I read about it this morning and could see it wasn't even remotely likely as it would have to cut the mustard with the feds, i.e.:
It's Ok for there to be a monopoly if one goes out of business, but not Ok if the only two merge.
That aside... that's the Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) logo up there in the corner. WTF does the defunct maker of Vaxen and PDP's have to do with satellite radio????
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You mean they have nothing to do with each other, apart from XM being part-owned by Clear Channel, right?
Stupid astroturfer.
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well, if this thing does happen, i hope it doesnt effect outq 149 on sirius. great national lgbt programing. lol. http://www.siriusoutq.com/servlet/ContentServer?pa gename=Sirius/CachedPage&c=ChannelAsset&cid=104885 9631701
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In addition to running a series of about 60 music channels of their own, Dish Network carries about 68 from Sirius Satellite Network as well. So even if XM and Sirius do merge, Dish Network would still probably carry their channels as well. As long as they don't provide a video service, neither XM nor Sirius is truly any kind of competitor to Dish Network or DirectTV. As Dish Network has realized, an audio service can be a compliment to their offerings, not a competitor. An audio-only service is not a competitor to a video service. Dish Network, DirectTV and your local cable TV franchise are competitors, but XM and Sirius are not.
The lessons of history teach us - if they teach us anything - that nobody learns the lessons that history teaches us.
Well, slashdot is reporting it as fact. Is slashdot owned by News Corp., too?
Who do we trust? Slashdot? No way. Fox News has a better accuracy rate.
What's really weird is that this ended up in the Digital topic. Not the mistake -- the fact that Slashdot still has a topic for a company that disappeared 7 years ago!
So what does DEC have to do with it? Who was the idiot that chose the "digital" logo as the icon for this story??
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
"Got their facts wrong"?
Their facts were 180 degrees polar to the truth. In fact, the entire story was fictitious, with no seed of truth whatsoever.
The only thing going for Fox News was that they didn't originate the story, the New York Post did, and Fox News quickly retracted the story and broadcast information to the contrary.
By the way, check out the definition of hoax. American Heritage's Dictionary's second listing: "Something that has been established or accepted by fraudulent means". So yes, this was a hoax.
.. they put up dupe stories, but rejected one that was submitted about the US Copyright Office actually requesting comments from the public about what to do with stuff like abandonware. With all of the copyright talk that goes on around here, one would think that an article about possible HUGE copyright change would get posted. But no, the article about the history of the space suit and then this dupe beat it out.
Article was mirrored in its entirety here
Microsoft and Apple Merger?
What on earth does a potential commercial transaction between two companies specializing in transmission of audio entertainment through satellites have to do with science ????
This has nothing to do with science; the collection of empirical data and experimental analysis to derive a physical truth. Its not a merger between two science research centers or science periodicals. It doesn't affect transmission of data between science research centers. It doesn't even affect scientific research funding. This story should have been stuck into Politics or YRO.
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It's more likeley that XM would try for a hostile takeover of Sirrus.
See http://billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/news /business/digital/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_ id=1000777229 or
:
http://tinyurl.com/4ogvq
or below for carmic whoring
Mel Karmazin characterized a New York Post report of a potential XM-Sirius merger as the "third rumor" he has had to deal with in his first eight weeks as Sirius CEO. "I have not met with the [XM] chair or the CEO, so I have no idea where this has come from," he said during his firm's Wednesday morning (1/26) earnings conference call.
Commenting later in the call on a question about potential antitrust restrictions for such a merger, Karmazin said he would never try to predict what the government would or wouldn't approve, adding that he thought such a merger would be a "difficult deal to get through."
According to Post writer Tim Arango, the two satellite competitors have been meeting lately to talk about the possibility of a merger but the discussions have not advanced. Among the topics reportedly discussed is how to maneuver antitrust concerns that would arise from what would amount to a monopoly in the fledgling satellite radio business.
To alleviate those concerns, the Post suggests the two rivals' strategy would be to convince regulators that satellite radio is part of the exploding mobil music market.
Combining XM and Sirius would ease a price war for content, reduce marketing costs and provide other cost efficiencies.
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t's a hoax.
Much like your sig.
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My question is, is this someone who is just really bad as his job, or a password that got out?
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Less choice and more FOX News??? Pack up the kiddies and head for the shelter; it's the end of the world!
But Officer, I DID read the f**king article!
Because one would assume the price of bottled water would go up. At some point, it no longer becomes worth it to some to have bottled water. They then drink tap water. So the price is not determined by competitors but by what one is willing to pay before they decide that the quality difference is not that great.
If they merge, I hope they can bring back some of the old XM stations that are currently online only like On the Rocks, Special X etc.
--Joey
If they manage to convince the FTC, FCC, DOJ and the rest of the feds that they can proceed with such a merger and if they can manage to convince the same folks years later that it was not anticompetitive and if they can protect themselves from the trial lawyers who will inevitably sue claiming a la Microsoft that anticompetitive behavior harmed their customers, then it might proceed successfully. What will kill them is if satellite radio follows the mistakes of the original HBO. HBO first advertised as commercial free and later added commercials to enhance their revenue stream. It became the same as regular TV programming but had more adult content. That is, largely worthless.
Thank you Simone.
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If DEC and Einstein live on Endor, you must buy SiXMius radio-cell-TV-Internet!
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i use linux and windows oh god how can i have an opinion
See my journal, I write things there
/. is a bunch of nerds at a million typewriters. It's not a political conspiracy determined to undermine your beliefs.
Voodoo economics
It wasn't even written by a Fox staffer -- it was written by a staffer from the NY Post.
Then again, that alone should be reason to avoid it. I don't even believe the Post's sports pages.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
It won't happen for the same reasons the DirecTV/Dish Network merger didn't. The FTC just won't allow it.
I hate the notion of having to throw down $100+
bucks for a peice of hardware that is tied to
one service. What if the service goes belly up,
or decides to "upgrade" their service in a way
that makes earlier radios obsolite, thus forcing
the customer to shell out more $$$$?
I'd like to see a generic sattlite radio that
accepts smartcards, simaler to what phones do
now, so you could use any service with it.
A flash upgradable program ROM would be a plus.
/tin foil hat on
/tin foil hat off
I often listen to the oldies station to relax,
and they often have people call in to request
a song. After a while, it dawned on me that none
of the call in requests seemd to deviate much,
if at all from the standard playlist that they
used through out the day. I even made a call in
request once for an oldie that I rarely hear
on the radio anymore, and the DJ said that "I'm not sure if we can play that song tonight, but
thank you for calling us". I don't think the
song got played.
I'm not sure if it's due to licensing issues or
what, but it seems that the "requests" are actualy
handled in a manner that makes sure that they
keep to the playlist.
You have a good point there of course, but as it stands right now, if I want the broadest choice from satellite radio, I have to have two subscriptions, and two lots of equipment.
Onwards & Upwards!
Just the thought of yet another inane "radio personality" (I refuse to use the term DJ... they're not) screaching at me makes me shutter.
Wait... you think "disc jockey" is more of a honor to them than saying that they are/have "personalities?"
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Maybe Clear Channel has no major stake in XM, but Clear Channel's owners might have. All these media, communication, transportation, companies have their fingers in the others' pies. Plus they own all sorts of other companies that make other consumer products, produce and distribute porn(I have nothing against that), etc., etc. These is no competition anywhere. You can't boycott one company and expect to have any effect on them. I just hope we'll still get Howard next year.
What?
So if somebody disagrees with you, they're a fraud? Then I'm a fraud, and you're wasting your valuable time arguing with me.
Damn. I'm fresh outta mod points. This is the funniest thing I've read here for quite awhile.
They will have competition if 'gtel' gets off the ground.. Geotel communications,,, Stratalitte or something like that.
And you believe him? Read his quote carefully...
"I have not met with the [XM] chair or the CEO, so I have no idea where this has come from," he said during his firm's Wednesday morning (1/26) earnings conference call.
What he actually said was that he has not met with the XM CEO, which says absolutely nothing about any merger or merger talks since their lawyers may be meeting. It also simply says he doesn't know what the source of the leak was. Again, this does NOT say anything about a merger, pro or con, just that he doesn't know who let the information out.
I'm not saying there is or isn't a merger negtiation in the works, just that this so-called denial is really no denial at all. Given that it would have been very easy to simply say "There is no merger planned", but instead we got this convoluted non-denial, I tend to think they ARE talking merger.