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FreeBSD Announces Contest To Replace Daemon Logo
An anonymous reader submits "The FreeBSD core team has announced a public competition to design a new logo to replace the current BSD daemon logo. The new logo will be used on the FreeBSD website, software media labels, printed media, hardware equipment, and more. The winner of the contest will receive $500." It's too early for an April Fool's Joke; according to the contest page, "this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view,
but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional
products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside."
How about the little red devil jabbing his pitchfork into a patent lawyer's behind?
You are in error. No-one is screaming. Thank you for your cooperation.
Microsoft has stupid logo-like things. Clippy, that search dog, their MSN butterfly, etc.
The religious issue I cannot believe actually warrents changing the logo and I see nothing particularly unprofessional about the daemon.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
Remember the previous competition? NetBSD Announces Logo Design Competition
For 500 bucks and a free copy of FreeBSD.
Gimme that booze you little pumpkin pie hair cutted freak!
It's just those peeps who have some kind of inferiority complex that feel they should force a change.
Tee Hee.
a Tombstone.
BSD was dying in '98, it's gotta be dead by now, right? =)
occultae nullus est respectus musicae - originally a Greek proverb
New non-hideous /. BSD section theme to follow...
...is anything like the netbsd logo I'm going to scream! What's wrong with the demon?
Silly rabbit
Instead of the devil how about a drunk Irishman with keg of beer. Free as in Beer Logo.
Here you go!
I've already submitted my entry. I've got my fingers crossed!
- tristan
There are other contests to replace Linux's Penguin, GNU ñu, mysql seagull and so on?
It's OK for football teams, canned ham spread, and vacuum cleaners, but not for an operating system?
You can't talk about Wikipedia's flaws on Wikipedia
i like it. and i don't think it should change.
The daemon's stupid. Problem is the daemon is what people associate BSD with. And it's a logo people remember. Adopt a new logo or mascot or whatnot, it probably won't stick in the public consiousness, and neither will FreeBSD anymore. How many people remember that SUSE lizard or whatnot? Yeah, that's what I thought.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-Breath-OOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOO!
I love the demon, it's been a BSD icon for Ages.. Replacing that would be really disheartening, frankly.. I understand the business appeal, but it would really gut my soul. I'd feel a loss inside.
Perhaps it's inevitable that thigns grow up. Unix isn't about people having fun anymore, it's about business.
maybe a devil dancing with bill g. will look more professional ???
Having a cool logo is one of the reasons I liked BSD. Plus the ports, stability, and ease of instalation. I can't believe they would change the logo. This is seriously weak. Given that BSD is dying, I think changing the logo might be enough to finally kill it off. I suggest someone make them a nice RIP tombstone with some pretty daisies.
Great. We'll probably end up with some corporate-style logo that I'll totally hate.
This would be an argument for changing, you realize.
Hey thats funny - you are dying too! So am I!
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How about a tombstone with a pitchfork and the caption "Netcraft Confirmed It"
should be executed by a million tiny daemons.
The "professional products" can go to hell, so to speak.
Practically, I can see where the horned devil might make certain religious people uncomfortable.
But if you're going down that road, then you might as well steer clear of offending other religions world-wide. That's right, no pigs, camels, or graven image idols, etc.
Consider how many Jews and Muslims have avoided learning Perl because of the offensive beast on the cover of the O'Reilly book!
"Provided by the management for your protection."
The logo will go in concert with beastie but will also be seperate. This helps with official letterhead and small "powered by freebsd" logos where beastie doesn't show up very well. Beastie is still the mascot and will be displayed on the web site and t-shirt...
(nt)
BSD is known by the BSDaemon. Why would you erase such powerful branding? This is absurd.
Plus, the Daemon is way cuter than the Penguin or that stupid butterfly.
I nominate Jesus. Not only would this show the world that FreeBSD has turned around from its evil, dying state, but also it will represent that, having died between 1998 and today, it is born again.
Is a penguin any better? Is it a religious thing?
The BSD Daemon is cute and instantly recognizable (to anyone who's dealt with BSD), not to mention it's a creature from the underworld to appease the Netcraft folks. Why change?
A daemon *wearing* a tux!!! yeah!! ;-)
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kind of a shame...the little daemon with a fork() is to go by the wayside.
remember when he got his sneakers ? (ffs, fast file system).
What is up with that?
:)
I mean it could not have been any worse unless they picked a cute picture of a flightless water fowl for their logo.
I mean we all know that would never fly with corporate America.
ACK
Got Milk?
or, in the words of my grandfather:
"You can't tittyfuck an A cup"
this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside.
This does not make any sense. At all. What language was this translated from, exactly?
Anyways, I always liked the little daemon. It's cute, and it has a very indy feel to it - of course, I guess that's what they're trying to get away from.
Discworld.
Wuh?
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I think that earth tones should be emphasized, to make it environment friendly: New FreeBSD Logo
Linda Branagan is an expert on daemons. She has a T-shirt that sports the daemon in tennis shoes that appears on the cover of the 4.3BSD manuals and The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX Operating System by S. Leffler, M. McKusick, M. Karels, J. Quarterman, Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Reading, MA 1989. She tells the following story about wearing the 4.3BSD daemon T-shirt:
Last week I walked into a local "home style cookin" restaurant/watering hole" in Texas to pick up a take-out order. I spoke briefly to the waitress behind the counter, who told me my order would be done in a few minutes.
So, while I was busy gazing at the farm implements hanging on the walls, I was approached by two "natives." These guys might just be the original Texas rednecks.
"Pardon us, ma'am. Mind if we ask you a question?"
Well, people keep telling me that Texans are real friendly, so I nodded.
"Are you a Satanist?"
Well, at least they didn't ask me if I liked to party.
"Uh, no, I can't say that I am."
"Gee, ma´am. Are you sure about that?" they asked.
I put on my biggest, brightest Dallas Cowboys cheerleader smile and said, "No, I´m positive. The closest I´ve ever come to Satanism is watching Geraldo."
"Hmmm. Interesting. See, we was just wondering why it is you have the lord of darkness on your chest there."
I was this close to slapping one of them and causing a scene--then I stopped and noticed the shirt I happened to be wearing that day. Sure enough, it had a picture of a small, devilish-looking creature that has for some time now been associated with a certain operating system. In this particular representation, the creature was wearing sneakers.
They continued: "See, ma´am, we don´t exactly appreciate it when people show off pictures of the devil. Especially when he´s lookin´ so friendly."
These idiots sounded terrifyingly serious.
Me: "Oh, well, see, this isn´t really the devil, it´s just, well, it´s sort of a mascot."
Native: "And what kind of football team has the devil as a mascot?"
Me: "Oh, it´s not a team. It´s an operating--uh, a kind of computer."
I figured that an ATM machine was about as much technology as these guys could handle, and I knew that if I so much as uttered the word "UNIX" I would only make things worse.
Native: "Where does this satanical computer come from?"
Me: "California. And there´s nothing satanical about it really."
Somewhere along the line here, the waitress noticed my predicament--but these guys probably outweighed her by 600 pounds, so all she did was look at me sympathetically and run off into the kitchen.
Native: "ma´am, I think you´re lying. And we´d appreciate it if you´d leave the premises now."
Fortunately, the waitress returned that very instant with my order, and they agreed that it would be okay for me to actually pay for my food before I left. While I was at the cash register, they amused themselves by talking to each other.
Native #1: "Do you think the police know about these devil computers?"
Native #2: "If they come from California, then the FBI oughta know about ´em."
They escorted me to the door. I tried one last time:
"You´re really blowing this all out of proportion. A lot of people use this `kind of computers." Universities, researchers, businesses. They´re actually very useful."
Big, big, big mistake. I should have guessed at what came next.
Native: "Does the government use these devil computers?"
Me: "Yes."
Another big boo-boo.
Native: "And does the government pay for ´em? With our tax dollars?"
I decided that it was time to jump ship.
Me: "No. Nope. Not at all. Your tax dollars never entered the picture at all. I promise. No sir, not a penny. Our good Christian congressmen would never let something like that happen. Nope. Never. Bye."
How about a guy in a leather jacket jumping his motorcycle over a tank full of sharks?
Linked page says it is not yet announced
I am trolling
I suggest a tuxedo
Best get my BSD Daemon tattoo done before it's too out of date :)
Yeah, no shit.
Like the people who think writing in plain English is "unprofessional". JoelonSoftware (.com) has some choice words for them. (He wrote the Excel technical specs at Microsoft in the mid-1990's.)
Don't they already have a new logo?
I tried for 5 years to come up with a clever sig...only to realize that I am not clever.
What We Can Learn From BSD
By Chinese Karma Whore, Version 1.0
Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.
Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.
These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.
As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study.
Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar, rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.
The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.
it won't be as bad as the mascot from OpenOffice.org's Schools Project.
bytesmythe
Hypocrisy is the resin that holds the plywood of society together.
-- Scott Meyer
How about the same logo, with a submachine gun, a big dick, and a burned cross around his neck?
Seriously, people need to stop being such pussies. Beastie kicks ass.
A bit off topic..
But I keep wondering if it pronounced
1) Dee-mon
2) Dae-mon
or some other variation.
and Tux is far more "Professional"...
Some misguided individuals have taken offense to the daemon character.
Well whatever they go to, I hope they have a good promotional product to accompany it. Because I remember when I was at Comdex and they were handing out the little devil horns to everyone, well that really made my day >:-)
http://rfitch.net/images/tessin.jpg His name is Peter Tessin.
I know it's only $500, but wouldn't this be better spent on development, or even marketing?
--
Earn a free iRiver
Earn a free iRiver
Time for my medication...
Stick Men
Great, yet another assault by Christian Terrorists
http://tinyurl.com/48ws5
I think that about says it all. :-)
--- Ban humanity.
"...to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside"
"FreeBSD inside" - that has a ring to it, don't you think? What about "FreeBSD Inside" with - get this - a circle around it?
Oh wait...
I nominate this picture.
Hello,
Recently I've been introduced to an operating system known as FreeBSD.
Lured by its low cost, I replaced Windows 98 on my computer with FreeBSD. Unfortunately the more I use it the more I fear that this "FreeBSD" may be an insidious way for the Dark One to gain a stronger foothold here on Earth. I know this may be a shocking claim, but I have evidence to back it up!
To begin with, FreeBSD runs numerous background processes. These processes are usettlingly termed "demons." Furthermore in order to start or stop these "demons" a user must execute a command called "finger". By "fingering" a "demon" one excercises an unholy power, much the same way that the Lord of Flies controls his black minions.
Also consider some of these other FreeBSD commands: "sleep", "mount", "unzip", "strip" and "touch". All highly suggestive in a sexual nature. I know that our Lord cannot approve of these, and I urge them to be renamed to something appropriate to the Christian community.
Third, FreeBSD uses a flavor of DOS known as Bash. Bash is an acronym for "Bourne Again Shell". On the surface this would appear to be supportive of the Lord. However, remember that even Satan can quote the bible for his own purposes! While I believe FreeBSD may be born-again, its obvious by the misspelling of "born" that its not born-again in an Christian church. Will the lies ever cease?
Additionally, one of the main people involved with the GNU Free Software Foundation supports contraception and abortion. His web site even advocates government support of contraception. He also wears fake halos, and has quips about his made-up church that relates to his free software. I find such blasphemy to be extremely unsettling.
One must also remember that the creator of FreeBSD, a college student named Linux Torvaldis, comes from Finland. I'm sure all the followers of Christ are aware of the heritical nature of the Finnish: from necrophilia to human sacrifice, Finnish culture is awash in sin. I find little reason to believe anything good and holy could arise from this evil land.
Finally, let us remember that there is an alternative to using the Satan-powered FreeBSD. I think history has shown us that Microsoft is quite holy. I'm told that its founder, William Gates is a strong supporter of our Lord and I encourage my fellow Christians to buy only his products to help keep the Devil at bay.
I wish I had more time to expound upon my findings. Unfortunately a family of Jews has moved in across the street and I must go speak to them of Jesus Christ before they are condemned to eternal hellfire.
Please investigate this as you see fit and I'm sure you'll reach the same conclusions that I have.
Thank you for your time.
Not necessarily a Shoggoth, but demons and devils are not unheard-of in corporate identities.
Underwood's devil trademark dates from 1870, and is the oldest US food trademark still in use.
"The original red devil was a real he-goat, half man, half goat, with horns, pronged spear and a tail. He was a leering demonic Lucifer, frequently portrayed in early ads dipping a whole ham into a boiling caldron as flames roar in the background and Satan's sons dance with glee. The current red devil has been stripped of evil. He is a happy Satan, smiling, carrying his spear, and apparently waving at the potential customer. His footwear appears to be elves slippers. The logo appears prominently on Underwood's entire line of meat spreads, chunk meats and sardines.
Advertising showing the little red devil began to appear nationally as early as 1895. It has become and icon of American culture. "
Keep the demon, but - if someone's got his panties in a bunch - make it a grown-up one, not a cute one like George Lucas would insert into his movies.
Or maybe the BSD logo could incorporate a cute chunk meat.
September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area Cocoa Programmer Quincy, MA
its a deamon (little helper), not satan.
It is a rhythm as old as life itself, and is an integral part of the evolutionary process.
The classical symptoms of a species in crisis include:
- Increased aggression
- Sexual dysfunction
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And disease.
It is a fact: FreeBSD is dyingThis is truly sad. I can just imagine the new logo being along the same lines as the crap parodied by eNormicom.
I have an idea for another contest. Design a sentence for the FreeBSD logo contest page that is comprehensible.
Our intelligent designer has never created an animal that we couldn't improve by strapping a bomb to it.
Somebody get a high qual img of the Daemon over to Fark. Let's get a photoshop trail going.
Just the way its written.
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
1) They get a whole bunch of crappy logos and have to back away slowly away from the contest idea because to pick one would be to turn in a good logo for a bad one; or
2) They pick one logo that half the users like, and the other half hate, and it forks FreeBSD, causing chaos, a plague of locusts, cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria.
Let us all pray that BSD really is dying. It may be our only hope.
The world's only surviving livewriter.
I was told by a BSD insider at the last IETF that this was being done becuase of complaints from religious conservatives that the old mascot was satanic.
Sigh...
[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]
When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.
Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.
FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.
It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.
So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.
Discussion
I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.
From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.
There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.
Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.
Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?
Shouts
To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.
To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It
The religious issue is stifling growth. I've grown up in the part of the States people commonly refer to as "The Bible Belt." It's kind of hard to get people aroudn here to give *BSD a try when they see a demon on the cover.
And it doesn't matter how many 'a's you cram in there. A red guy with horns, tail, and a pitchfork is a demon.
*new* freebsd logo
One of the women in the NOC at the last HOPE conference had the FreeBSD daemon tattooed on her shoulder...man, that's gonna be a long story to tell the grandkids.
It the shoes. Make him look business ready. Put him in a suit. The tuxedo worked for the penguin, right?
We don't hear much about the PC of the right, but this is it. PC has long been associated with idiotic bending-over-backwards to not offend causes that the left likes (minorities, disabled, etc). This seems a prime example of an organization bending to the whims of the right.
It seems just like Fox changing the name "Best damn superbowl roadshow" to "Best darn superbowl roadshow"
AccountKiller
Ceren. 'Nuff said.
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
BSD was dying in '98, it's gotta be dead by now, right? =)
Netcraft hasn't confirmed it yet, so watch out with these assumptions.
Is there any plan to make their logo visually similar to one of the other BSDs? Or do the logos really matter to anybody except marketing geeks?
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/new89/satan.773. html
But what about the booth babes? Won't somebody think of the booth babes?
"Slashdot is about legos and staplers." -Cmdr. Taco
sorry, you did not comply with this one: * The logo should be vector graphics, not bitmap image.
except for Beastie. In that spirit, i'm going to be realeasing a new BDS distro shortly: BeastieBSD.
It will be exactly the same as FreeBSD, except it will still get new users based soley on the awesomeness of its logo.
No more little demon...
BSD Diva:
http://members.shaw.ca/zerone/img/BSDiva.png
How about a little guy (gal) in a hard hat and overalls and boots and work gloves. Some kind of tool in one hand. Sort of reflective of the blue-collar ethic of the goals of that operating system.
Best regards.
they don't think the logo is professional enough?
that logo is fine the way it is.
that logo is what got me to try freebsd in the first place.
this is what happens when companies listen to marketing wonks instead of their clients.
they wind up wasting money on stuff that doesn't need fixing in the first place.
Is it 5:30 yet?
Unlike OpenBSD (and I'll never forgive them for the damn fish), NetBSD has *not* moved away from beastie. A mascot is not the same as a logo. NetBSD has opted for a daemon-less logo, but still keeps the same mascot. I hope FreeBSD is doing the same. I think it's pretty reasonable, given the amount of religious nuts out there.
Prescriptive grammar:linguistics
Wait, did someone just say that there is a contest to fork? Oh, I'm sorry, FreeBSD wants a new logo. If Linux has a penguin, then why can't FreeBSD have a daemon. Come on. Leave it along. I like the daemon -- complete with a badge on my PC. This is stupid.
The views expressed are mine own and do not express the views of my employer.
If you're a "professional," are you going to make a rational decision--that is, to use it or not--based on the logo, or the performance?
If they want a new logo, that's perfectly fine. But if they want a new logo because people might think it's "cute," they need to take a step back and think for a moment.
The demon logo bugs the suits? So don't put it on a box, honestly, they'll never know, what are they going to do, go to a truly technical website?
I say we all submit a ton of _truly_ offensive logos, and send the idea of changing the demon back to the overly religous cultural backwater it came from.
Seriously, these people are insane. Click that last link and scan down to where it says "Apple Macintosh". Religious fundamentalists are, once again, doing their best to destory science, intellectual discussion, and human society. We must all work to stop them.
"this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside."
I'm sick and tired of everything in the tech world needing to be made palatable to suits and PHBs.
I realize that complaining about it will be about as effective as trying to hold back the tides with a sheet of plywood, but that doesn't mean that we have to like it or accept it quietly.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
"The designer also certifies that the logo does not infringe
upon the rights of any third party and that it does not
violate any copyright."
Only way to certify that is to do a copyright/trademark search. I hope you guys are gonna pony up the money to assure due diligence on your idea.
http://www.badeagle.com/journal/archives/Bushgirls .jpg
My suggestion: something to remind people who use freeBSD of the long hours and hard work put into the product by all of its programmers:
Z Y-POSED.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jtalbotski/images/SCHLIT
Since OpenBSD and NetBSD dropped the daemon, it's now synonymous with FreeBSD. You can't put a price on deep-rooted brand recognition like that. It makes it seem like FreeBSD is the last "real" BSD.
How about a nice little orange flag with the logo underneath?
Heh, what a dumb idea, what was I thinking.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html
I have the original 4.3 BSD manual, VAX-11 edition from 1986. It's 6 rainbow colored volumes plus two copies of the Master Index in a sophisticated brown. The cover of each features a cartoonish devil poking a bubble marked UNIX with a pitchfork. The part that I always found interesting is that the inside of the cover credits the design to John Lassetter, Lucasfilm, Ltd. Lucasfilm! How cool is that? That same year, he wrote and directed Luxo Jr., Pixar's first short and the origin of their logo. Here's his page on IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005124/
Hail Satan! Er...I mean...uh...
Brandon Reinhart
What is this with software development groups? I wonder if vacuum cleaners loose any sales because they have "Dirt Devil" brand name (Beware the power of a dirt devil). What about the New Jersey Devils, the hockey team? Or Tasmanian Devil from WB cartoons? They dont' seem to be losing money, customers or auditory because of "unholy connotations".
If anything, this pondering to non-existant "offended" customers is a sign that a project is diverting its attention from real to imaginary problems. Logical step in a sequence of events that took FreeBSD from the true original to the project it is today.
We can't be letting this happen again.
No need to create a new one. Use this one.
When you get to hell -- tell 'em Itchy sent ya!
I say those who care about keeping the devil mascot should fork Free BSD into a special "devil may care" version that maintains the soul-selling culture that has allowed Free BSD to blossom into what it is today.
The flag just makes more sense than the constitution. - Judas Gutenberg
Remember, two things came out of Berkeley during the sixties, BSD and LSD. Coincidence? I don't think so.
http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/announce.txt
My favorite quote:
"And this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside."
STICK WITH THE DAEMON!!
Nobody is suggesting that Beastie should cease to be the FreeBSD mascot; this is about selecting a new logo.
The reasons for this include not just that some people consider the daemon to be offensive, but also legal issues: The daemon image is owned by Kirk McKusick and right now if companies want to use the image, they need to get permission from him. A "powered by FreeBSD" logo which is actually free for everybody to use would make things much easier.
Tarsnap: Online backups for the truly paranoid
*cue standard text here*
IANAL and all that, but if I have to conduct a trademark and servicemark search, and "certify" that the logo does not infringe -- thereby making me liable for FreeBSD's use of the logo -- then $500 is chump change.
Sorry, pass.
The religious issue I cannot believe actually warrents changing the logo and I see nothing particularly unprofessional about the daemon.
How about changing the logo to a dog pissing on priest's leg?
I was immediately reminded of this story, pasted from: http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~bilke/pub/FreeBSD/texas _daemons.html
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Last week I walked into a local "home style cookin' restaurant/watering hole" in Texas to pick up a take-out order. I spoke briefly to the waitress behind the counter, who told me my order would be done in a few minutes.
So, while I was busy gazing at the farm implements hanging on the walls, I was approached by two "natives." These guys might just be the original Texas rednecks.
"Pardon us, ma'am. Mind if we ask you a question?"
Well, people keep telling me that Texans are real friendly, so I nodded.
"Are you a Satanist?"
Well, at least they didn't ask me if I liked to party.
"Uh, no, I can't say that I am."
"Gee, ma'am. Are you sure about that?" they asked.
I put on my biggest, brightest Dallas Cowboys cheerleader smile and said,
"No, I'm positive. The closest I've ever come to Satanism is watching Geraldo."
"Hmmm. Interesting. See, we was just wondering why it is you have the lord of darkness on your chest there."
I was this close to slapping one of them and causing a scene -- then I stopped and noticed the shirt I happened to be wearing that day. Sure enough, it had a picture of a small, devilish-looking creature that has for some time now been associated with a certain operating system. In this particular representation, the creature was wearing sneakers.
They continued: "See, ma'am, we don't exactly appreciate it when people show off pictures of the devil. Especially when he's lookin' so friendly."
These idiots sounded terrifyingly serious.
Me: "Oh, well, see, this isn't really the devil, it's just, well, it's sort of a mascot."
Native: "And what kind of football team has the devil as a mascot?"
Me: "Oh, it's not a team. It's an operating -- uh, a kind of computer."
I figured that an ATM machine was about as much technology as these guys could handle, and I knew that if I so much as uttered the word "UNIX" I would only make things worse.
Native: "Where does this satanical computer come from?"
Me: "California. And there's nothing satanical about it really." Somewhere along the line here, the waitress noticed my predicament -- but these guys probably outweighed her by 600 pounds, so all she did was look at me sympathetically and run off into the kitchen.
Native: "Ma'am, I think you're lying. And we'd appreciate it if you'd leave the premises now."
Fortunately, the waitress returned that very instant with my order, and they agreed that it would be okay for me to actually pay for my food before I left. While I was at the cash register, they amused themselves by talking to each other.
Native #1: "Do you think the police know about these devil computers?"
Native #2: "If they come from California, then the FBI oughta know about 'em."
They escorted me to the door. I tried one last time: "You're really blowing this all out of proportion. A lot of people use this `kind of computers.' Universities, researchers, businesses. They're actually very useful."
Big, big, BIG mistake. I should have guessed at what came next.
Native: "Does the government use these devil computers?"
Me: "Yes."
Another BIG boo-boo.
Native: "And does the government pay for 'em? With our tax dollars?"
I decided that it was time to jump ship.
Me: "No. Nope. Not at all. Your tax dollars never entered the picture at all. I promise. No sir, not a penny. Our good Christian congressmen would never let something like that happen. Nope. Never. Bye."
Texas. What a country.
Have you painted a shed today?
To heck with Enterprise and the wales. Somebody save the daemon.
--- Location Unknown
Put bandages on the current logo's little crotch, and the folks at Planned Parenthood would become major supporters of UNIX!
FTA:
Okay, am I the only one who thinks this is totally ridiculous? FreeBSD churns away quietly and quickly in backoffices everywhere...since when did we start to care about "powered by" stickers and logos? What we care about is the fact that we install these boxen, turn out the lights and walk away.
Yes, I know I'm ignoring the marketing hype and all that happy crap, but c'mon, it's kind of a stretch to think that a pretty little logo is going to change any PHB's opinion on an "already dead" o/s any ways
But, hell, that's just me, and I'm dumb.
You ain't learnin' when yer talkin'
The older I get, the less I like everyone else.
"this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside"
I have no idea what the hell that is supposed to mean. After the comma the sentence just fell apart.
The only permissible submission under these requirements is a square with color #808080. And even then, I'm not sure; someone somewhere might find squares or grayness offensive, after all.
The right way to say this is "must not be patently offensive to any large number of reasonable individuals." and leave it at that. But the way it's written, it's basically impossible to do anything. Even the null logo will be offensive to some people who will insist that there should be something there. You can't simultaneously avoid offending every single human being on the planet. Why try? Beastie's been good enough for 20 years; why change now?
check it out
This makes the message pretty clear huh!
You are offending my believes by giving the daemon a label of bad and satanic.
I believe in helping spirits being neither good nor bad nor other predefined state.
The good/bad state depends on what _you_ ask the spirit to help _you_ with.
How would you feel if I would demonize your believes? Remember that your public expression of religious believes may offend somebody else there believes.
About the swastika, you do know that in India and many other countries this symbol is deeply settled in their culture? Congrats you just offended 1 billion people...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Buffett's company Berkshire Hathaway owns GEICO, which uses the gecko as its most recognizable corporate symbol.
I'd think customers would want professionals dealing with their auto insurance claims, yet GEICO (and Buffett) think a little gecko is just dandy.
Actually, we all know the accepted way to advertise to IT professionals is to either use gratuitous T&A, or else use one of those omnipresent stock-photo guys: the Asian guy with the spiky hair and the dark glasses, or the ultra-nerd guy who shows up in IT job ad sections, as if we like being insulted with a stereotype.
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-- RLJ
I'd have to say that penguins are far less professional than demons. I'd rather have my business associated with the later for sure.
Few if any /. comments result in my laughing outloud, my hat goes off to you.
Seriously. Shouldn't this be about recognition? I don't find Tux any more or less "professional" and it doesn't seem to hurt or harm Linux any more or less. This sounds like a real waste of $500. The BSD Daemon has established recognition. If anything, why not come up with an aditional mascot/logo along w/ the classic?
*** Sigs are a stupid waste of bandwidth.
Interestingly www.demon.net change from their devil tail insignia to a halo. They are one of the UK's bigger and oldest isps.
I couldn't agree more. This is a quinessential case of free software selling out it's heritage/principles to satisfy a mainstream business climate.
But of course, that mainstream is inherently hostile to those principles. Compromising with them will lead only to co-option, bastardization, and corruption.
------- Was it just a coincidence I got moderator points the first time I logged on to
An ant, a red ant would work just fine.
I remember this logo. I thought it looked pretty damn good.
Well, that's their user base.
Currently FreeBSD kicks penguin arse!... lets keep it that way whatever the new logo ;o)
"but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside"
Sending it through babelfish into French, Japanese, Greek and back again gives no better result.
Oof.
The developers are just paying proper respect to the ages-old tradition that computers are a black art. Hell, just ask any user, they'll tell you. It's all magical thinking and cargo-cult mumbo-jumbo.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside
Microsoft used it for its TCP/IP stack and a few CLI utilities - they didnt have any problem with the Daemon logo !!
A "powered by FreeBSD" logo which is actually free for everybody to use would make things much easier.
We already have apowered by FreeBSD logo, but I'm not sure if it's free or not.
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cLive ;-)
-- Trinity in high heels carrying a whip: The donimatrix - there is no spoonerism
The original Drawing that started it was:
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http://www.unixprogram.com/images/img3.jpg
With these little creatures running around doing things in the computer. IE: Daemons not demons.
Here is my proposal for a new Logo:
http://www.unixprogram.com/images/daemonet
Just for a hoot check out this one:
http://www.unixprogram.com/churchofbsd/
I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso
Wait, you mean that the only place that Beastie is currently seen in some companies is on a sysadmin's bookshelf, or his screen when visiting FreeBSD.org, and that no one else in the entire company will ever see it (or even know what FreeBSD is or how their company uses it)? Dang! Guess I'll be making an appointment with my proctodermatologist.
Seriously, how is this even an issue? I told my boss that I'd be installing FreeBSD back when I was first hired and started migrating away from Windows servers. I doubt that he even remembers which flavor of Free Unix I went with, and I'm 99% sure he has no idea (or interest) of the fact that their logo has a cartoon daemon. Does this actually matter to anyone?
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
"this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside."
Does this sentence make any sense to anyone?
And then there's their FUD about the sexual proclivities of Tinky Winky and Spongebob Squarepants.
Hey, I have an idea. Let's play to the fundies.
Make the new BSD mascot be a cutesy "head of John the Baptist on a silver platter".
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Say it ain't so. But Berkeley hippies have been selling out to The Man for a long time now.
likely pressure from the same jackasses that had them rename route 666 out here in the west.
i feel saved already...
To the FreeBSD Staff:
Here is my entry:
FreeBSD
Sweet and to the point. I'd like my $500 in small, unmarked $20 bills. Thanks.
This one's already won the competetion...
Well, then, we should change the Linux logo, too, right? Cause according to the latest news, they tend to be gay and some religious groups might be offended... :)
Doomie
It was ways overdue for FreeBSD to use a more professional logo. I am very pleased that this finally happens.
The FreeBSD core guys are saying that the "announcement" is a rough draft and officially the contest hasn't been announced yet.
This brings back the memories. When I was in high school they tried to change our school mascot. The Devils was a name hated by all the local churches. The proposal was to rename our football team to "The Yodelers." Luckily football is more important than other religions in my home town, and the proposal was crushed.
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Blue dot! What kind of sacreligious heretic are you! Everyone know that the blue dot is a sly reference to the mysterious blue liquid they use for maxi-pad commercials. And we all know that menstrating women are unclean. Arrgh, now I've got to go wash my filthy eyes.
Why change?
Beastie is one of the coolest one around and i cant really see a reason for changing it.
Besides it's not the logo that determines popularity...it's usability and the end results of the "product".
So i'll cheer on with my friend Soffi "Save Beastie!"
-- Isak Ben.
FreeBSD logo = devil
devil = bad
!devil = !(bad) = good
good = angel
then...
FreeBSD logo = angel
Profit!
Consider how many Jews and Muslims have avoided learning Perl because of the offensive beast on the cover of the O'Reilly book!
:o)
You say that like it's a bad thing.
*Anything* that stops people from damaging their brain with Perl is a good thing.
... facts are facts. ;)
FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."
NetBSD:
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep 2004)
OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
*BSD in general:
..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.
OO!! OO!! The TAZMANIAN devil!! Perhaps we could call it, "The FreeBSD Tazmanian Demon"
-AC
The PC weasel logo is much more explicit (and funnier), and it does not seem to have harmed sales or perception.
Leave the poor Devil alone!
...on a lot of levels.
First off towards the religious zealots that have no problem shoving their theology into your face, but will simultaneously raise a stink over your "imagined" alignment.
Second off, towards the Mac dorks with their kneejerk references of "THEY ALREADY HAVE, HAR HAR HAR" and posting links to pics that reference OSX. OSX is NOT FREEBSD. If you really believe that, then you just don't understand the UNIX philosophy. Go back to your art-fetish lickable computer and troll some other forum.
Third off, for squandering the the rebellious merits of the OSS and BSD community to get in bed with big business, which will undoubtedly turn into domination, regulation and corruption.
I have a few more but i think i've stepped on enough toes already. This actually makes me a little bit angry.
do() || do_not();
that somebody would nix the "Kandalf" character from KDE. It's similarly unprofessional, and I really applaud the people from FreeBSD for making such a mature decision. While they're at it, they could also get rid of the Devil motif as well. As progressive as I am, somehow I just don't think they will ever go mainstream with such a model character.
I call it "Daemon without horns". Hope that's innocent enough. Oh, the gun he's carrying is not a weapon. It's an antivirus.
Is Ceren Ercen going to look cute in it?
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
Imagine if *nix background processes were called haetlers (pronounced Hitlers), instead of daemons. If you're a Jew you can accept the fact that homonyms exist, but could you ever consider BSD if the mascot is a cute little Adolphish dictator, even if he is caricatured (short, stumpy with unkempt hair)? Some might accept it, but many could never see it as anything but repulsive.
If you're not in the shoes of the offended person, there's no need to mock. If 500,000 people (or even 1000) are like me and holding back on BSD because of the controversial logo, then why not change it?
The professional version uses a Red Hat as a logo. The penguin is the mascot.
Orcas eat penguins...
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
It has nothing to do with George W. Bush (nice random bash).
I wouldn't want some cartoon devil character showing up on my company's computers either. It looks unprofessional and odd. I work in a real estate office. Would I want to have Bugs Bunny as the boot logo on all the machines in our computer room?
The word "bothering" in this case has nothing to do with the religious aspects and everything to do with the silly image in a professional setting.
...a friendlier version of the devilish logo?
Does anyone else think that $500 is sad? I know that it's OSS and that it probably comes from someone's pocket, but in my opinion, it's better to have no reward at all than have $500. At least, with no reward, you could say people are doing it for the fame...
Send email from the afterlife! Write your e-will at Dead Man's Switch.
Why is FreeBSD listening to a bunch of vocal morons? These nuts think everything from Proctor & Gamble to Apple Computer have satanic logos. (And I believe this site is the real deal, not a hoax). This is nothing but the Political Corectness of the right. Why is anyone listening to these fanatics?
AccountKiller
With beastie logo: yum .
Without beastie logo: ick.
Don't take away the beastie...
-c
Do it for da shorties
That long ramble of bible quotes gave me an idea. Has anyone ever created a program that will scan a text for bible quotes and site them? Match any string of text in the processed document with any string of text in the bible, say three words or longer? Could be hilarious. Maybe have it start searching the bible at random locations for each attempt just to mix it up.
I think Bush and Cheney seem to be mixing quite well ;)
Technology, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.
I'd just like to say how angry and upset I am. The daemon logo is a historical symbol, and has made a great logo for the project all these years.
t ml
I'm really annoyed about the fact that this is occuring because of a few trolls on mailing lists. The logo itself is NOTHING to do with religion.
People always seem to think their religion gives them some sort of moral highground to bitch and complain about this and that. Something always offends SOMEONE.
It'd really be a shame to demote the beastie logo to a "mascot" only, and shove it away in some corner.
Please sign the petition to save the daemon logo... (for what it's worth):
http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.h
This might change your mind.
(Note for those of you at work: link leads to photoshopped pictures of women.)
nothing can save FreeBSD now.
long live NetBSD and Linux.
BSD has the best mascot out there and they're going to get rid of him?! BOOOO I say!
Keep Austin Weird!
How about a small blue square with white squiggly lines on it (if you squint you can just make out "The system is either busy or has become unstable ...") and a big red circle with a line through it on top of the square?
Y|
Can't believe nobodys mentioned this yet...
What are these poor folks going to do?
the BSD daemon is dying.
Choose ye this day whom ye shall serve.
I *like* Chuck "Beastie" Daemon!
As much as religious primitives may fret about it, it's not evil nor was it intended to be evil. If my creaking ancient organic memory serves, when John drew it and gave it to Kirk, everyone thought it was really cute and funny, and no one thought it would distress anyone.
But that was a more tolerant age.
Let's keep Chuck. The worry-warts don't HAVE to use it.
What Symb said, a crotchety old man. White beard, glasses, long hair, scowl on face. I know a guy who could model for this. It's perfect.
Best regards.
BSDI's lizard logo got accused of being satanic because the three lizards looked like three "6"es to some poor fellow.
sigh
It's the end of an era. Maybe I'll go back to the Amiga...
Last week I walked into a local "home style lookin' restaurant/watering hole" to pick up a take out order. I spoke briefly to the waitress behind the counter, who told me my order would be done in a few minutes.
So, while I was busy gazing at the farm implements hanging on the walls, I was approached by two, uh, um... well, let's call them "natives". These guys might just be the *original* Texas rednecks - -complete with ten-gallon hats, snakeskin boots and the pervasive odor of cheap beer and whiskey.
"Pardon us, ma'am. Mind of we ask you a question?"
Well, people keep telling me that Texans are real friendly, so I nodded.
"Are you a Satanist?"
Well, at least they didn't ask me if I liked to party.
"Uh, no, I can't say that I am."
"Gee ma'am. Are you *sure* about that?" they asked.
I put on my biggest, brightest Dallas Cowboys cheerleader smile and said, "No, I'm positive. The closest I've ever come to Satanism is watching Geraldo."
"Hmm. Interesting. See, we was just wondering why it is you have the lord of darkness on your chest there."
I was this close to slapping one of them and causing a scene -- then I stopped and noticed the T-shirt I happened to be wearing that day. Sure enough, it had a picture of a small, devilish looking creature that has for quite some time now been associated with a certain operating system. In this particular representation, the creature was wearing sneakers.
They continued: "See, ma'am, we don't exactly *appreciate* it when people show off pictures of the devil. Especially when he's lookin' so friendly."
These idiots sounded terrifyingly serious.
Me: "Oh, well, see, this isn't really the devil, it's just, well, it's sort of a mascot."
Native: "And what kind of football team has the devil as a mascot?"
Me: "Oh, it's not a team. It's an operating-- uh, a kind of computer."
I figured that an ATM machine was about as much technology as these guys could handle, and I knew that if I so much as uttered the word "unix" I would only make things worse.
Native: "Where does this satanical computer come from?"
Me: "California. And there's nothing satanical about it really."
Somewhere along the line here, the waitress has noticed my predicament -- but these guys probably outweighed her by 600 pounds, so all she did
was look at me sympathetically and run off into the kitchen.
Native: "Ma'am, I think you're lying. And we'd appreciate it if you'd leave the premises now."
Fortunately, the waitress returned that very instant with my order, and they agreed that it would be okay for me to actually pay for my food
before I left. While I was at the cash register, they amused themselves by talking to each other.
Native #1: "Do you think the police know about these devil computers?"
Native #2: "If they come from California, then the FBI oughta know about 'em."
They escorted me to the door. I tried one last time: "You're really blowing this all out of proportion. A lot of people use this `kind of computers.' Universities, researchers, businesses. They're actually very useful."
Big, big, BIG mistake. I should have guessed at what came next.
Native: "Does the government use these devil computers?"
Me: "Yes."
Another BIG boo-boo.
Native: "And does the government *pay* for 'em? With *our* tax dollars?"
I decided that it was time to jump ship.
Me: "No. Nope. Not at all. You're tax dollars never entered the picture at all. I promise. No sir, not a penny. Our good Christian congressmen would never let something like that happen. Nope. Never. Bye."
Texas. What a country.
From: http://harlie.idsfa.net/~john/humor/BSD.DEMON
One, or both, of them was in a small hick town somewhere eating at a diner and they book was out in the open. They kept on getting stared at by the locals.
Eventually one of the local came up them and asked something like, "Are you boys Satanist?"
They were stunned of course, but eventually figured out that the book cover was, well, rather open to interpretation. They tried to explain about UNIX daemons but it was going nowwhere. "Demons?"
I believe they paid up and left quickly.
Huh?
According to rumor, every time the MPAA came back with an objection to some bit in South Park, the Movie, Matt and Trey tried to make the bit 10 times worse. Surprisingly when their modifications were returned to the MPAA, no further objections were returned. Likewise in Fight Club, Marla says "Jesus, I haven't been fucked like that since grade school!" at one point. Originally the line was supposed to be "I want to have your abortion," but someone didn't think that was politically correct enough. I bet they wish they hadn't said anything...
It's serve the PC Crowd right if the logo was replaced by a picture of a giant flying penis...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
How about putting him in a flight suit on an aircraft carrier in front of celebrating troops?
When I first entered middle school we were known as "The Satans". We had a cute little kid devil as our mascot. The wierd thing about being known as "The devils" or "The Satans" was when playing sports the team would huddled up before the game to pray. After saying "Amen" we would all yell "GO SATANS!".
Looking back on it it's hard to believe a conservative town in North Carolina would let there middle school be known as "The Satans". It was changed to the falcons in my final year, though. However, the high school is still known as the Red Devils.
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Aren't the geeks that like the cute little daemon now in charge of IT departments and budgets? So, who exactly is going to see that logo as "unprofessional"?
As an atheist, you may believe that there is no God. However, do you know everything there is to know about everything? Obviously not, no-one can. It is possible that God exists outside of your own sphere of knowledge. Possible yes, proving either way would be impossible. Based on that reasoning, I'd suspect you're not really an atheist, but an agnostic - someone who doesn't know if God exists or not. To hold a belief that no God exists, when in fact God could possibly exist outside of one's knowledge is illogical.
Agnostic:
- One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
- One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
Funnily enough, even though one cannot prove the existance of God to another either, many still believe in God due to personal experience of said God.
About this site
This is the future site for the FreeBSD logo competiton which is meant
to create a new logo for the FreeBSD Project to supplement the current
Beastie mascot. Despite an early draft announcement that got out we
are not quite ready for the logos yet. Please watch this space and the
freebsd-announce mailing list for more information in the near future.
http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/
Evidently, they are adding a logo without removing the old, according to their site. Still, the daemon is FreeBSD and it should not be changed.
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Main examples being RedHat and SuSE (Novell). No fat penguins featured on those. And that's what many big companies buy, not boxes with fat tux's on them.
Techs just want things that work well, but once you start selling to execs it's gotta look professional as well. A fat cartoon penguin (or daemon) isn't high up in the 'professional software' design category.
Well, instead of a little imp, why not a full grown succubus?
Tasty!
it's way too late, I actually flipped across a channel some time back and heard the members of the 700 club railing against the presence of daemons in UNIX variants...
waitaminnit, offensive CAMEL?
-- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
Is FreeBSD being run by an MBA now.
Doesn't anyone understand how much money companies blow when they rebrand. It's very expensive to break continuity. I mean when large companies change names and logos they end up doing 10s of millions of dollars in advertising to keep the brand recognition. It's stupid.
It's this crap that MBAs who haven't really built the business or come up in the business do. It's the nonsense they pull in an effort to build the brand better (er... make a mark in the company for resume material and large bonuses for restructuring)
Now here's FreeBSD who must now be run by some idiot MBA like several of the large companies.
This really pisses me off.
Keep the damn demon. It's probably the best logo in computers. Fine, Jerry Fallwell won't buy. Who gives a rats ass?
Gateway tried to go away from the cow. They are using the cow box again. Look at the upper left hand corner of the web site.
Look at the travesty of a logo that netbsd has. The old one maybe could have been colored. It's nice and professional looking. Oooooohhhh. Aaaaahhhhhh.
When you think of computers, the demon, the penguin, ibm, and microsoft are probably the best known logos. In our community, we'd maybe tack on puffy from openbsd.
BTW. Buy OpenBSD CDs. It's a project that's at least smart enough to keep running with the brand recognition it has. Look at the art work for the CDs and the T Shirts. Buy a T Shirt to go with the CD http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html
The BSD logo always reminded me of 'Hot Stuff' comic book characters from the 60's
I've always been turned off by the little devil mascot for FreeBSD (and DarwinOS's Hexley), and never said anything about it. Glad this is changing.
I say "turned off" rather than "offended". I hate the devil, but I regard little devilish cartoons as naive and idiotic, not "offensive."
You should have linked to the creator's website:
Raul Fernandez Girls 2001
does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside
A lot more bloody professional than a fat penguin.
But the logo plays the role of giving visual insight for a product or company.
And the idea it conveys is "wicked fast, wicked good."
BSD is different from other OS's. It does a particular, vital job really, really well. The daemon logo works perfectly for that.
Getting rid of the logo at this point would dilute the branding and I think--if marketing means anything--hurt BSD in the long run.
At any rate, those bozos who complain about the Daemon are probably confused when the "Windows" splash screen never comes up after reboot, too...
How about a picture of the FreeBSD demon sodomizing the Linux penguin?
Linky...can't ya just hear dueling banjos in the background?
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
"More professional" may be your goal, but DON'T DILUTE YOUR BRANDING!
The new logo should have the pitchfork or forked tail in it (not unlike Dirt Devil).
Diluting successful branding is STUPID.
are there cases of people actually refusing to run it because of the logo? I mean, even if they consider it offensive, most sysadmins who _want_ to and _can_ run it, will.
FreeBSD for the impatient.
Can't they direct their energies at something more useful, say, like, you know, finally getting 5.x to a stable state with the ULE scheduler?
n/t
So BSD really is dying, or at least its logo is.
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In the country where a sizable percentage of the population actually goes to church every weekend, a demon is not a very good symbol. Neither is a penguin (because it looks stupid), but that's another story.
you're unwelcome in all of civilization. Fuck off and die, and take the muslims with you.
a very professional and disciplined corporate image...BSD Babes
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
because you're sick and tired of these morons, you want to LET THEM WIN???!!! Grow a pair of balls, you girl.
Satan is found in his symbols, his daemon symbols of bondage. Daemon bondage can be brought about when an individual is possessed, oppressed, or is in rebellion towards God (sins of the flesh). It takes God's discernment to determine which of these is producing the bondage in an individual's life.
The Bible makes it clear that there are daemons, or evil spirits, in the world that interfere in people's lives (Ephesians 6:11-19.). Evil forces, or powers, influence and control the minds of individuals, bring sickness and cause undesirable behavior, inability to function normally, and even suicide. As a result of these forces, people can become a danger to themselves as well as others.
What Scripture Says
"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee" (Deuteronomy 18:10-13).
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against daemons, principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12).
"... there met him two possessed with daemons, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.... And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out,t hey went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters" (Matthew 8:28b, 32).
"There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them with which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one" (Acts 5:16).
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (Galatians 5:19-21).
Indications of Daemon Activity
The following areas may help you to recognize your need for being released from daemonic oppression, possession or bondages of the flesh (sin):
See Bible passages under References/Homework and in a Bible dictionary and concordance for examples of the above. If you are having difficulty in discerning your problem, please seek help from a local pastor, elder or Christian counselors who will help you to discern your need and can counsel and pray with you.
What Is God's Answer?
"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set
Or if you still want a daemon, maybe this by Coop will do. I am sure that won't be offensive...
What in the name!? I really really cannot understand it. How can Beastie the Daemon be at all unproffesional? For crying out loud I have a "Dirt Devil" vacuum cleaner in the house! Why would FreeBSD throw away this mascot that is so well entrenched? In a sense it has such a strong "brand identity" already. Do they really want to end-up with something so generic as the NetBSD logo?
Wow I AM a loser, I am taking this way too seriously. I never knew I was so attached to beastie.
I guess this is similar to the way the Palm Tungsten went straight from T3 to T5, skipping T4, since 4 is an unlucky number in China (or something like that), or the way hotels often miss out on having a 13th floor?
It seems to me common sense that you should not have a logo which is symbolic of evil to a large number of people, if you want it to appeal to a wide market, unless you want your product to seem like a naughty teenager thing (similar to fcuk I guess).
It is sad that people still retain superstitions like this, and that these superstitions might actually affect their decisions to use/purchase a product, but the outrage over the change of FreeBSD's logo reminds me of the bickering between the various liberation fronts in "The Life of Brian".
(For one, I actually really like the daemon mascot - it makes a great unofficial mascot - but sadly it would be a mistake to have it smack bang on the front of a FreeBSD box in a computer store.)
great, now i'm all turned on. ...
(fap fap fap)
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Yes, the daemon makes FreeBSD look unprofessional.
Meanwhile, Linux - complete with an over-stuffed penguin - is completely trouncing *BSD, to say nothing of simply FreeBSD, commercially. I wonder why?
Might it have something to do with the actual operating system?
Not only that, but the daemon is something which peole identify with - and have identified with. "Oh yeah, that cute little demon thing! That's UNIX! I'd like to try that."
~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
I nominate Jesus.
FreeBSD is dying, but will rise again in a few days...
NETCRAFT CONFIRMS!
Or they could go with this friendly fellow...
Heck, there's plenty of Christian friendly critters over there!
And they aren't sucky, like Unglued...
"but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside"
I have a degree in English, but no matter how many times i read this, it confuses the crap out of me. I'm pretty sure i know what they're TRYING to say, but damn....
I'm determined to reclaim my karma. Now, if I can only find a groundbreaking article and something witty to say....
The clients who come in and sit beside the agents who use the computers to find property listings. Any other questions?
Oh, give me a break. The Windows logo and the Apple logo are WORLDS APART from a big, red cartoon character devil with a pitchfork.
Again, it's no different from having Bugs Bunny eating a carrot.
I don't need to be "ashamed" for not wanting a cartoon character on the computers our clients see every day.
Next.
I swear, you have more +5's than any other troll. Others should look up to you.
The original beastie was drawn by John Lassiter. Maybe folks here have heard of him? PIXAR? Animation?
He did the artwork for the cover of "The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX Operating System", along with a few variations seen elsewhere. Take a look in the flyleaf. (I'm on page X. Heh...)
Credit where credit is due, and all that...
I mean, after all, the Daemon is holding a pitchfork. Maybe he's about to go pitch some hay into a pile out in the field. The Penguin is just sitting there watching his ass get fatter.
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That was one of the best laughs I've gotten from Slashdot in a LONG time. Nice work!
a coffin?
FreeBSD & Monty Python
--I'm not dead yet!
by a circle with a big red slash through it...?
As in, "we don't have any to deal with the Christian right wing freaks in this country..."
Humans...Jesus Baron von Christ! (Pardon the pun...)
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
...this isn't 'flamebait', it's a flame. The GP is, however, flamebait.
Since there are similarities, collaboration and trades between the 2 OSS systems, I say the Gentoo folks should ditch the pac-man "thingy" and adopt the BSD daemon. That will show them!
http://neverland.net/bellamy/good/goodies/demonett eBSD_1024.jpg
:)
I think it could work
http://www.linbsd.org/logo/freebsd_small.png
Unlike the penguin, it flies.
And, it eats penguin chicks and other carrion.
It's a shame, NetBSD I can understand, there may be some confusion when both BSDs use the same "daemony" logo style, but the other BSDs have all moved away from beastie.
IMHO NetBSD should dress the daemon as a retiarius.
That's the "Net-man" - the unarmored net-and-trident wielding gladiator of the Roman games.
(In competition with the Secutor (the sword-and-shield guy) the Retiarius has a significant advantage.)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
I guess this means no more BSD babe :(
Isn't there some sort of rule that reads, "Thou shalt not commit bikesheds?" Yeah, this is a clear bikeshed. Maybe we ought to tell whoever came up with this stupid idea, "Thou shalt not suggest bikesheds." This is beyond painting the bikeshed, patching the bikeshed's roof. This is tearing down the bikeshed. Worse, the Daemon is a brand identity.
The views expressed are mine own and do not express the views of my employer.
a dead demon!
Can we change the name from BSD to the Christ-puncher?
hehe at work I had two freebsd machines and I enabled the freebsd daemon screensaver. You know, that one that has the daemon logo that moves around on the screen. I would "accidently" leave the freebsd machine active on the kvm switch. Eventually thye got replaced by some sun boxes. :(
As horrible as that comment should be, I really did find it rather funny.
+1 Informative of course :)
The Wrong Trousers.
xkcd is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
hmmm I guess this scythe won't work... :D
http://www.toaster.net/~slazar/freebsd.gif
Sicker are the ones who don't like sex.
Sick sex is good for your health.
Go find an alligator...
A norweigian blue parrot.
Nailed to its perch.
From the site:
"This is the future site for the FreeBSD logo competiton [...]"
I see no announcement here. Move along now.
How about just using Ceren Ercen (the Latex-clad BSD babe)? :)
Remember, whatever this logo is it'll have to be used in costumes at the FreeBSD booth. Think ahead!
Sometimes less IS more!
Until 3 years ago was the SATANS. Seriously.
How about an apple core?
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
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From OSNews.com:
Update: There is now a petition to keep Beastie, however FreeBSD's own Robert Watson emailed us to inform us that they are "seeking a new logo, but not a new mascot", so that petition is really reduntant.
Update 2: Rob Watson writes:
- The announcement text was an early draft, and the contest hasn't been announced yet.
- One of the immediate pieces of feedback we got was that we need to make it more clear: this is not about replacing the beastie!
- We're looking to create a new logo that can be used with the Beastie, or by itself. One of the specific concerns we have is that the daemon renders poorly in print using one-color, two-color, etc, and we need a vector logo, not just a mascot. Another was finding a logo that could be conveniently and easily printed by vendors on packaging for products that support FreeBSD. Not all vendors are willing to stick a Daemon on their packaging!
- We anticipate releasing the real announcement in the near future, at the logo-contest.freebsd.org URL. When it's ready, we'll send out e-mail to freebsd-announce, and we'll drop you a direct e-mail.
- Once again we've been reminded of an important lesson: don't put something on the web site if it's not ready to be seen. After at least three premature postings of FreeBSD releases on slashdot due to files starting to appear on the FTP mirrors even though the announcement hadn't been sent, you'd think we'd have learned.
Robert N M Watson
Howabout a cute little daemon wearing tennis shoes and holding a fork?
How is it that we can as a nation invest soo much into games with evil sounding titles (resident evil) even make blockbuster films about it, invest heavily into Halloween but for a mascot that in no way looks intimidating or agressive we are quick to try to replace it to try to devlop a better public image?
Leave beastie alone and lets focus on what FreeBSD is about... really good system software that makes persons like yahoo and netcraft say they are proud to be powered by freebsd. Yahoo runs freebsd and they have a pretty large user base... are you telling me that christians do not use yahoo? That is absolutely absurd. We really have lost sight of our priorities and its time we started getting them back in focus and stop working on the trivial. Get back to the code not the cosmetics.
So, a swastika is a "real evil", eh?
As a matter of fact, the swastika is a symbol of good, not evil. The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.
Use of the swastika dates back at least 6000 years, and started in India. It is also a religious symbol in current use for Hindus, Buddhists, Jainists and Pagans, and usually represents the sun.
The nazis used the swastika in a specific way, that being a black swastika, rotated at a 45 degree angle, contained in a white circle and resting on a red background. Even when used on nazi artifacts such as knifes, etc it was always rotated 45 degrees. Makes it pretty easy to tell them apart if you're aware of the distinction.
Banning symbols like this is indeed stupid. How much smarter it would have been to actively engage in restoring the old meaning to the symbol in popular view, and deprive hate-mongers of a symbol to rally behind. Instead, we've made it one of the worlds most powerful and recognizable banners.
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