I was wondering this also. After installing iTunes, the installer calls the QuickTime installer - I already have QuickTime installed from the old version of iTunes. It'd be nice if they at least packaged them separately.
That's great.. Can you (or you and your band) play 15,000 songs? While you're riding the bus to work? Or waiting in line for the movies? Can you do all that while not disturbing the people around you who may not necessarily want to hear your music?
And how much does all that musical equipment cost? Who's being taken to the cleaners here?
Device manager will remain cryptic to most, but there are definitely two 6800 series GPUs in there. Despite the name, the system is definitely not running Linux.
Sometimes a hostname is just a hostname.
I'd imagine it'll have similar Linux support to the other Nvidia cards on the market.
That's the point. Unix tools are like Tinker Toys. Each piece has some nominal value in its own right, but are really pretty inadequate. Their real power comes in being able to combine them in novel ways to create your own structures.
Apple has always used custom ROMs aboard which the most basic portion of Mac OS has always resided. To my knowledge, which I admit is a bit dated, even G5-based Macs use a proprietary ROM tailored for Mac OS.
Apple stopped using those ROMs several years ago, I believe when they made the transition from m68k to PPC. There's actually a ROM image of the old Mac toolbox ROM on the hard disk (I think Classic MacOS used it).
As for a BIOS, modern Macs have all used Open Firmware. Sun also uses this, and apparently IBM, if what I read earlier is in fact true. Sadly, I've read that Apple has stated the new Macs will NOT use Open Firmware. The dev systems are using a crappy Phoenix BIOS, but I'm hoping the actual released systems will use Intel's EFI, or something similar to Open Firmware.
I agree that the G5 is a great CPU (I'm kinda sad to see Apple moving away from PPC, actually). I was only speaking Altivec. I think the vast majority of apps written to take advantage of the Altivec unit was pretty low, and of those, the number that could NOT be re-written to target SSE2/SSE3 instead, and achieve similar performance, was lower still.
I can't even find any mention of Altivec on the Powermac G5 page anymore.
Apple loved to pull Phil Schiller onstage to do side-by-side speed tests showing how much faster in real life the G4s and G5s were than their Pentium equivalents. Was that so much BS?
Not really. But, how many things REALLY take such advantage of Altivec that its worth keeping it around?
yet Intel's 64-bit chips -- Xeon and Itanium -- are high buck items aimed at servers, not iMacs.
Someone wanna tell this guy about EM64T?
Where the heck is AMD?
Maybe Apple talked to AMD, and Intel offered a better deal. Maybe Apple wanted to ensure there'd be no supply problems (I'm sure Intel fabs a lot more CPUs than AMD does).
Why announce this chip swap a year before it will even begin for customers?
I wondered about this one too. Especially after Jobs showed how easy it is to port apps.
Is this all really about Digital Rights Management?
Gah! I sure as hell hope not!
The vaunted Intel roadmap is nice, but no nicer than the AMD roadmap, and nothing that IBM couldn't have matched.
Could have, but would they? I sincerely doubt it. IBM is more interested in all the CPUs they're going to put into the next generation gaming consoles. They'll sell far more CPUs, AND they won't even have to worry about making them faster.
Enter Apple. This isn't a story about Intel gaining another three percent market share at the expense of IBM, it is about Intel taking back control of the desktop from Microsoft.
what Apple really needs to do is to port Xcode and Cocoa to Windows and Linux, and get developers on those platforms to write applications to their APIs, and allow existing Xcode developers create apps which will run on Windows and Linux.
Several years ago, NeXT ported the OpenStep APIs to Windows (and other platforms). I wonder if Apple has been keeping that port up to date too, along with their OS X x86 port.
Nah, the last thing we need is something like Safari cluttering things up. Mac users hang onto it for the same reason most windows users use IE, it's what came with the OS. I cant see anyone switching TO Safari if it wasn't preinstalled.
Web designers could use it to test for Safari compatibility. Mac users could use it on their Windows PC at work, for familiarity. Maybe some people just want a KHTML-based browser. Choice is always good.
Actually, according to Apple, they're hope to have the ENTIRE Macintosh line transitioned to Intel CPUs by the end of 2007.
"Mac OS on Intel is to be given to developers (ADC "Select" and "Premier" members) now and to customers "this time next year." The transition will be completed in less than 2 years, by the end of 2007."
What exactly isn't elegant about FreeBSD? The ports system, the separation of the base system from the rest of the OS, the nice new RC scripts are all things I find MORE elegant about FreeBSD over Linux.
It may not look pretty (omg it doesn't have a pretty splash screen to hide all those nasty boot messages halp!!1111), but, not elegant?
I think it could be a smart move. Think of it. The XBox and the PS3 will be going all out to steal each others' thunder, and the consumer market for consoles will be split.
Except all signs point to the PS3 being released in 2006 also.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony launch the PS3 AFTER the Nintendo "Revolution".
Of course, MS could always encounter some of their typical delays, and all three consoles could launch in '06:)
Yes, let's resort to childish name-calling, that's mature.
Because, moron, MS DID fund SCO's bullshit lawsuit, albeit in a roundabout way (which is exactly the way these things are done.)
Oh that's right, so did Sun too! buying software licenses leads to terrorism I imagine, too! MS couldn't just be buying insurance to protect themselves because there's UNIX code in SFU, and Sun couldn't be doing the same because there's obviously UNIX code in Solaris. Nope, everything's a huge conspiracy.
Maybe if I joined the unwashed masses in using Linux, I'd understand that anything critical of Linux and Open Source must be a conspiracy by corporate America to squash the commie hippies that are the Open Source movement.
Lots of people seem to be attacking the credibility of Groklaw lately, this case was carried by several online media including The Register which seemed to side against Groklaw. A conspiricy by SCO perhaps?
Why is everything a conspiracy around here? MS funded SCO's bullshit lawsuit. SCO is funding this crazy lady's attack on our precious PJ. Much as slashdot might want it to be so, the world isn't out to get open source and everything slashgeeks hold near and dear.
Sadly, most new TVs have HDMI, not DVI. Basically, HDMI is digital video and audio through one connector, along with some DRM to make the entertainment industry happy.
(Apparantly M-Audio decided the perfect time to roll up their sleeves and start making 10.4 drivers for their Mac hardware was a week after the retail release.)
M-Audio has a history of doing that. When Panther was released, it took awhile for them to get drivers out for my Revolution 7.1.
If the Ars Technica review is right, this shouldn't be as big of a problem for future Mac OS X releases. See this for more details.
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I was wondering this also. After installing iTunes, the installer calls the QuickTime installer - I already have QuickTime installed from the old version of iTunes. It'd be nice if they at least packaged them separately.
and other document formats such as PS and DVI are Linux only
Odd. When did postscript and tex become exclusive to the Linux platform?
That's great.. Can you (or you and your band) play 15,000 songs? While you're riding the bus to work? Or waiting in line for the movies? Can you do all that while not disturbing the people around you who may not necessarily want to hear your music?
And how much does all that musical equipment cost? Who's being taken to the cleaners here?
There are morons and crazy people everywhere.
Gah - another fellow who can't spell Mormon!
I thought the two spellings were interchangeable.
Please don't point this poor soul in the direction of Promise crap. My guess is he wants actual reliability in this setup.
That being said, 3ware makes some damn nice cards. Adaptec, too, though they're a bit more pricey.
My guess is it was the piece of shit Promise IDE controller. I'm convinced those things eat drives, amongst other nastiness.
Device manager will remain cryptic to most, but there are definitely two 6800 series GPUs in there. Despite the name, the system is definitely not running Linux.
Sometimes a hostname is just a hostname.
I'd imagine it'll have similar Linux support to the other Nvidia cards on the market.
That's the point. Unix tools are like Tinker Toys. Each piece has some nominal value in its own right, but are really pretty inadequate. Their real power comes in being able to combine them in novel ways to create your own structures.
I guess you haven't seen Automator yet.
That's not the point. It really is distracting to watch a coworker reach for something and you see her butt-crack tatt.
;)
Tat or no tat, I'll likely be distracted by her anyway
Apple has always used custom ROMs aboard which the most basic portion of Mac OS has always resided. To my knowledge, which I admit is a bit dated, even G5-based Macs use a proprietary ROM tailored for Mac OS.
Apple stopped using those ROMs several years ago, I believe when they made the transition from m68k to PPC. There's actually a ROM image of the old Mac toolbox ROM on the hard disk (I think Classic MacOS used it).
As for a BIOS, modern Macs have all used Open Firmware. Sun also uses this, and apparently IBM, if what I read earlier is in fact true. Sadly, I've read that Apple has stated the new Macs will NOT use Open Firmware. The dev systems are using a crappy Phoenix BIOS, but I'm hoping the actual released systems will use Intel's EFI, or something similar to Open Firmware.
I agree that the G5 is a great CPU (I'm kinda sad to see Apple moving away from PPC, actually). I was only speaking Altivec. I think the vast majority of apps written to take advantage of the Altivec unit was pretty low, and of those, the number that could NOT be re-written to target SSE2/SSE3 instead, and achieve similar performance, was lower still.
I can't even find any mention of Altivec on the Powermac G5 page anymore.
Apple loved to pull Phil Schiller onstage to do side-by-side speed tests showing how much faster in real life the G4s and G5s were than their Pentium equivalents. Was that so much BS?
:)
Not really. But, how many things REALLY take such advantage of Altivec that its worth keeping it around?
yet Intel's 64-bit chips -- Xeon and Itanium -- are high buck items aimed at servers, not iMacs.
Someone wanna tell this guy about EM64T?
Where the heck is AMD?
Maybe Apple talked to AMD, and Intel offered a better deal. Maybe Apple wanted to ensure there'd be no supply problems (I'm sure Intel fabs a lot more CPUs than AMD does).
Why announce this chip swap a year before it will even begin for customers?
I wondered about this one too. Especially after Jobs showed how easy it is to port apps.
Is this all really about Digital Rights Management?
Gah! I sure as hell hope not!
The vaunted Intel roadmap is nice, but no nicer than the AMD roadmap, and nothing that IBM couldn't have matched.
Could have, but would they? I sincerely doubt it. IBM is more interested in all the CPUs they're going to put into the next generation gaming consoles. They'll sell far more CPUs, AND they won't even have to worry about making them faster.
Enter Apple. This isn't a story about Intel gaining another three percent market share at the expense of IBM, it is about Intel taking back control of the desktop from Microsoft.
That'd be sweet.
Remember, you read it here first.
C'mon, Dvorak predicted this years ago.
what Apple really needs to do is to port Xcode and Cocoa to Windows and Linux, and get developers on those platforms to write applications to their APIs, and allow existing Xcode developers create apps which will run on Windows and Linux.
Several years ago, NeXT ported the OpenStep APIs to Windows (and other platforms). I wonder if Apple has been keeping that port up to date too, along with their OS X x86 port.
A GOOD reason for a port!
:)
It IS a good reason - remember the days when everyone coded for IE, and pages looked like shit in Netscape? I'd rather NOT go back to that.
Just because Safari doesn't have a huge percentage of the userbase doesn't mean web developers shoudln't ensure their code looks good on it.
Assuming of course that both ports run the same on both platforms.
They should - of course, in practice, that's not usually the case...
Nah, the last thing we need is something like Safari cluttering things up. Mac users hang onto it for the same reason most windows users use IE, it's what came with the OS. I cant see anyone switching TO Safari if it wasn't preinstalled.
Web designers could use it to test for Safari compatibility. Mac users could use it on their Windows PC at work, for familiarity. Maybe some people just want a KHTML-based browser. Choice is always good.
Actually, according to Apple, they're hope to have the ENTIRE Macintosh line transitioned to Intel CPUs by the end of 2007.
"Mac OS on Intel is to be given to developers (ADC "Select" and "Premier" members) now and to customers "this time next year." The transition will be completed in less than 2 years, by the end of 2007."
They've already got a cross-platform closed-source browser - IE for the Mac.
And IE for UNIX. Of course all of the aforementioned products have been abandoned.
I'll agree the install could use some work, but once its up and running, I find it to be quite elgant :)
FreeBSD isn't elegant at all
What exactly isn't elegant about FreeBSD? The ports system, the separation of the base system from the rest of the OS, the nice new RC scripts are all things I find MORE elegant about FreeBSD over Linux.
It may not look pretty (omg it doesn't have a pretty splash screen to hide all those nasty boot messages halp!!1111), but, not elegant?
As far as too many Linux distros, I agree 128%.
I think it could be a smart move. Think of it. The XBox and the PS3 will be going all out to steal each others' thunder, and the consumer market for consoles will be split.
:)
Except all signs point to the PS3 being released in 2006 also.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony launch the PS3 AFTER the Nintendo "Revolution".
Of course, MS could always encounter some of their typical delays, and all three consoles could launch in '06
Yes, let's resort to childish name-calling, that's mature.
Because, moron, MS DID fund SCO's bullshit lawsuit, albeit in a roundabout way (which is exactly the way these things are done.)
Oh that's right, so did Sun too! buying software licenses leads to terrorism I imagine, too! MS couldn't just be buying insurance to protect themselves because there's UNIX code in SFU, and Sun couldn't be doing the same because there's obviously UNIX code in Solaris. Nope, everything's a huge conspiracy.
Maybe if I joined the unwashed masses in using Linux, I'd understand that anything critical of Linux and Open Source must be a conspiracy by corporate America to squash the commie hippies that are the Open Source movement.
I'll bet you click on spam, too...
Only if the pictures are nice.
Lots of people seem to be attacking the credibility of Groklaw lately, this case was carried by several online media including The Register which seemed to side against Groklaw. A conspiricy by SCO perhaps?
Why is everything a conspiracy around here? MS funded SCO's bullshit lawsuit. SCO is funding this crazy lady's attack on our precious PJ. Much as slashdot might want it to be so, the world isn't out to get open source and everything slashgeeks hold near and dear.
Sadly, most new TVs have HDMI, not DVI. Basically, HDMI is digital video and audio through one connector, along with some DRM to make the entertainment industry happy.
(Apparantly M-Audio decided the perfect time to roll up their sleeves and start making 10.4 drivers for their Mac hardware was a week after the retail release.)
M-Audio has a history of doing that. When Panther was released, it took awhile for them to get drivers out for my Revolution 7.1.
If the Ars Technica review is right, this shouldn't be as big of a problem for future Mac OS X releases. See this for more details.
IANAL, but wouldn't GPL violations be a CIVIL issue, and not a CRIMINAL one?