My objection is to the description of my family and most of my friends as drooling morons, merely because they haven't been users of various Unices for years as I assume the parent poster has been.
I personally consider text files to be by far the simplest way of configuring a system out of the two I know (XML config files I havent messed with yet) because I can back them up, copy them to other machines, and if I royally screw up, can restore the default one from the package with ease.
Would be nice, though, if IT people showed a little less contempt for people who are probably just as knowledgable as them, but in different fields.
I know I'm going to regret asking this, but what is it you don't like about Star Trek: Enterprise? I've caught a few episodes since they started airing it over here and it seems ok to me.
These 'drooling morons' have, however, figured out fairly trivial things such as regular bathing and social skills which seem to beyond some of the geniuses here.
Drooling moron? I wish you smelly, pedantic bores would realise that most people don't want to hand-hack some poorly documented config file, they want to play games, browse the web, do their taxes and all the other things that Windows allows them to do (albeit sometimes in shades of blue).
Don't diss peope like my dad just because he's got better things to do. If you took your head out of your backside occasionally you might be able to see this for yourself.
Although I would much rather pay for an off the shelf package than spend a year learning C just so I could make the UI a bit nicer. Each to their own of course.
I've got 13 years IT experience and was very very lucky to find a job and only take a two thirds drop in salary. If I hadn't got that job I would now be doing data entry or burger flipping in order to pay for a return to university, since IT is a very narrow field just like any other specialised skill. I couldn't just go and become a doctor or a civil engineer immediately I'd have to start again.
As for efficiency, anyone who has actually worked in the IT industry knows that the real problem is a lack of understanding of IT and unwillingness to listen to the people who actually know what will work and what won't by senior management.
A perfect example of this was one company I worked for who wanted enhancements to a mainframe system, were told it would take six months, so decided to buy a mainframe-only package on the proviso that it was converted to run on Solaris/NT. The deadline was 3 months, the actual time, not suprisingly was 4 and half years and the system, when I left, was far, far worse than the mainframe system it was replacing.
Every person who was asked for their opinion said it was a really bad idea, but their opinions were disregarded by egocentric management. Perhaps we should be outsourcing that sort instead of us.
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Well you are a very generous person then. I am being edged out of the only career I ever wanted to be in, because greedy corporate types consider me, rather than themselves, as the expensive part of IT.
You may feel good about helping some Indian programmers while you're flipping burgers, but I actively resent it. Perhaps if the greedy scumbags didn't just throw people on the scrapheap I would feel differently.
I've been using Linux for about 3 years now, but home experience is irrelevant to business. They want real experience.
I would like to help out on Free Software projects but my C and Java skills haven't progressed much beyond writing text editors yet.
My rather convoluted point, as well as asking for help, was that I can't just go get another job in IT like so many of the posters seem to think you can.
I know that IBM are pushing Linux on the mainframe and I have tried putting the feelers out for a change of career from Applications to Networks/Systems, but no joy so far.
I'm in a vicious circle. Limited skills in new stuff, no experience, and no way out but to start again in something else. What a waste of 13 years.
Where do I get the money to pay for the retraining into newer tech and the people to hire me in this new tech when I don't have any experience? This is the problem that you economic theorists like to ignore when babbling about the economic benefits of outsourcing.
What happens to people like me? We get classified as dead-wood and thrown on the scrapheap. Then it's back to college to compete with a bunch of 21 years olds for jobs, or a career in fast food.
I'm a COBOL programmer. I'm stuck where I am and no matter how hard I've tried to move on I can't seem to get the training in newer tech. So now I'm screwed. You can get 5 Indians for the price of me, and at 32 I don't see how I can start again when the competition is far younger and less jaded than I am, even if I had the slightest idea what career I should choose next.
No doubt I'll get a load of college students trolling me about how I should have moved into Unix/Windows, well I have been trying to escape Mainframe work for 6 or 7 years and, despite a brief flirtation with Solaris, nothing.
Any suggestions, given that you can't get a job without experience and you can't get experience without a job?
Nice as that sounds, I fail to see how taking a two-thirds drop in my salary has liberated me from anything except the dreadful chore of actually being able to afford the odd luxury or 2.
It's rarely helpful to tell the beginner how stupid they are for not already being a master.
Thats the Slashdot way. Anyone who wasn't born knowing insert obscure geek thing here is an idiot who should only be allowed to use Windows and watch Friends.
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I saw it as Fiend the first time, but then I hate dogs.
My objection is to the description of my family and most of my friends as drooling morons, merely because they haven't been users of various Unices for years as I assume the parent poster has been.
I personally consider text files to be by far the simplest way of configuring a system out of the two I know (XML config files I havent messed with yet) because I can back them up, copy them to other machines, and if I royally screw up, can restore the default one from the package with ease.
Would be nice, though, if IT people showed a little less contempt for people who are probably just as knowledgable as them, but in different fields.
I know I'm going to regret asking this, but what is it you don't like about Star Trek: Enterprise? I've caught a few episodes since they started airing it over here and it seems ok to me.
These 'drooling morons' have, however, figured out fairly trivial things such as regular bathing and social skills which seem to beyond some of the geniuses here.
Drooling moron? I wish you smelly, pedantic bores would realise that most people don't want to hand-hack some poorly documented config file, they want to play games, browse the web, do their taxes and all the other things that Windows allows them to do (albeit sometimes in shades of blue).
Don't diss peope like my dad just because he's got better things to do. If you took your head out of your backside occasionally you might be able to see this for yourself.
Although I would much rather pay for an off the shelf package than spend a year learning C just so I could make the UI a bit nicer. Each to their own of course.
Some people will. Not me, not my family, or anyone I know. Maybe I just move in paranoid circles though.
Great, just what we need in office, someone who thinks any market problem can be solved by us all starting our own businesses.
No other group or organization has ever been this greedy
All corporations are this greedy, it's part of the ethos
Corporations have the money to adjust to changing circumstances, I don't.
I've got 13 years IT experience and was very very lucky to find a job and only take a two thirds drop in salary. If I hadn't got that job I would now be doing data entry or burger flipping in order to pay for a return to university, since IT is a very narrow field just like any other specialised skill. I couldn't just go and become a doctor or a civil engineer immediately I'd have to start again.
As for efficiency, anyone who has actually worked in the IT industry knows that the real problem is a lack of understanding of IT and unwillingness to listen to the people who actually know what will work and what won't by senior management.
A perfect example of this was one company I worked for who wanted enhancements to a mainframe system, were told it would take six months, so decided to buy a mainframe-only package on the proviso that it was converted to run on Solaris/NT. The deadline was 3 months, the actual time, not suprisingly was 4 and half years and the system, when I left, was far, far worse than the mainframe system it was replacing.
Every person who was asked for their opinion said it was a really bad idea, but their opinions were disregarded by egocentric management. Perhaps we should be outsourcing that sort instead of us.
Well you are a very generous person then. I am being edged out of the only career I ever wanted to be in, because greedy corporate types consider me, rather than themselves, as the expensive part of IT.
You may feel good about helping some Indian programmers while you're flipping burgers, but I actively resent it. Perhaps if the greedy scumbags didn't just throw people on the scrapheap I would feel differently.
Because principles don't pay the mortgage sadly.
No we won't because we still hate you ;-)
As if the US is the only country that can build these things. Just try it and see how fast we can build our own.
A "cricket pitch" figure, I like that :-)
I'm sure George Washington and Nelson Mandela damaged some property too, but no-one argues that their causes weren't righteous.
closed source software gets debugged before shipping
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha that's a good one.
They're not known as British Nuclear Fools for nothing.....
I've been using Linux for about 3 years now, but home experience is irrelevant to business. They want real experience.
I would like to help out on Free Software projects but my C and Java skills haven't progressed much beyond writing text editors yet.
My rather convoluted point, as well as asking for help, was that I can't just go get another job in IT like so many of the posters seem to think you can.
I know that IBM are pushing Linux on the mainframe and I have tried putting the feelers out for a change of career from Applications to Networks/Systems, but no joy so far.
I'm in a vicious circle. Limited skills in new stuff, no experience, and no way out but to start again in something else. What a waste of 13 years.
Where do I get the money to pay for the retraining into newer tech and the people to hire me in this new tech when I don't have any experience? This is the problem that you economic theorists like to ignore when babbling about the economic benefits of outsourcing.
What happens to people like me? We get classified as dead-wood and thrown on the scrapheap. Then it's back to college to compete with a bunch of 21 years olds for jobs, or a career in fast food.
I'm a COBOL programmer. I'm stuck where I am and no matter how hard I've tried to move on I can't seem to get the training in newer tech. So now I'm screwed. You can get 5 Indians for the price of me, and at 32 I don't see how I can start again when the competition is far younger and less jaded than I am, even if I had the slightest idea what career I should choose next.
No doubt I'll get a load of college students trolling me about how I should have moved into Unix/Windows, well I have been trying to escape Mainframe work for 6 or 7 years and, despite a brief flirtation with Solaris, nothing.
Any suggestions, given that you can't get a job without experience and you can't get experience without a job?
Nice as that sounds, I fail to see how taking a two-thirds drop in my salary has liberated me from anything except the dreadful chore of actually being able to afford the odd luxury or 2.
Vanuatu is a sovereign nation that just happens to be near Australia.
If this was in Australia it would have already been shut down given the Aussie politicos' desire to be as far up the US rectum as is humanly-possible.
Which country is this, and is it worth emigrating?
It's rarely helpful to tell the beginner how stupid they are for not already being a master.
Thats the Slashdot way. Anyone who wasn't born knowing insert obscure geek thing here is an idiot who should only be allowed to use Windows and watch Friends.