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Iran Is Arresting Models Who Pose Without Headscarves On Instagram (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Tehran cybercrimes court said the country has arrested eight people working for online modeling agencies deemed to be "un-Islamic." The women models were arrested for starring in photos on Instagram and elsewhere without wearing their headscarves, which has been required in public since 1979. A total of 170 people have been identified by investigators for being involved in online modeling, including 59 photographers and make-up artists, 58 models and 51 fashion salon managers and designers. The court's prosecutor Javad Babaei announced the the threats on TV, claiming modeling agencies accounted for about 20 percent of posts on Instagram from Iran and that they had been "making and spreading immoral and un-Islamic culture and promiscuity." He added, "We carried out this plan in 2013 with Facebook, and now Instagram is the focus."

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  1. There was a time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Iran wasn't so stuck in the past. But then again we have Mein Trump today so it can happen anywhere.

    1. Re:There was a time... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Iran wasn't so stuck in the past.

      Indeed. Before Iran became an Islamic Republic, it was an enlightened American client state, ruled by Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, a really great guy, who provided his people with the most modern instruments of torture, and housed his political prisoners in state of the art facilities. It is surprising how ungrateful the Iranian people are toward America, since we installed and unselfishly supported this wonderful regime for nearly three decades, and we gave them plenty of advice on how to build and run the prisons that kept all the troublemakers locked up. All we asked for in return was plenty of cheap oil.

    2. Re:There was a time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Face it, Bill: Human 'civilization', at it's current state of development, is a joke. There are too many humans treating too many other humans like absolute crap. When it comes right down to it, we're just animals, slightly smarter than the other animals on this damned rock, with a bunch of toys, but still acting like animals. Some days I get so disgusted with my own race, that if you handed me the Big Red Button to blow it all up, I would do it without hesitation. Of course I'd rather have an Arrow of Slaying vs. All Assholes, but that would also probably take out about 90% of the human population, too, so same difference. The only thing that keeps me from slitting my own wrists in utter dismay at the horrible state of things on this planet, is the awesome power of denial, shielding me enough from all the bullshit, so I can actually enjoy some parts of my life, appreciate the company of people I actually care about, and otherwise just give me some simple respite from the continual stream of fail that is paraded past me by the news services, day in, day out.

    3. Re:There was a time... by reboot246 · · Score: 2

      And I laugh when people complain about Baptists!!

      Not even in the same ballpark.

    4. Re:There was a time... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Iran wasn't so stuck in the past.

      Indeed. Before Iran became an Islamic Republic, it was an enlightened American client state, ruled by Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, a really great guy, who provided his people with the most modern instruments of torture, and housed his political prisoners in state of the art facilities. It is surprising how ungrateful the Iranian people are toward America, since we installed and unselfishly supported this wonderful regime for nearly three decades, and we gave them plenty of advice on how to build and run the prisons that kept all the troublemakers locked up. All we asked for in return was plenty of cheap oil.

      Seems like what they have now is so much better :|

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    5. Re: There was a time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please explain how nuclear power leads to nuclear weapons, because the same material is not used in both.

    6. Re:There was a time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen to that (sic). Keep up the denial.

    7. Re: There was a time... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Dispatching black helicopters...

    8. Re: There was a time... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      nuclear power
      nuclear powen (extend the last line of the "r")
      nuclear wepon (swap two letters)
      nuclear weapon (add "a")

    9. Re: There was a time... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Nuclear power is a "gateway drug", it leads to nuclear weapons in the same way that smoking pot leads to heroin addiction, obviously!

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    10. Re:There was a time... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      It wasn't that long ago that Christians were burning each other at the stake for being the wrong kind of Christian.

      It doesn't take much for religionists to regress to this kind of mentality.

    11. Re:There was a time... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So if you wonder why the Iranian people don't rise up against the bullshit: They learned that it doesn't matter, it ain't like anything better follows.

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    12. Re: There was a time... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      There is at least a theoretical problem, in that there are different kinds of reactors where some may be used to produce weapons grade nuclear material. As long as you can ensure that this cannot happen and as long as you can account for all the material a country has, there is nothing to worry about.

      The problem is exactly that: Knowing what nuclear material they have and ensuring it stays where it belongs. The thing is, you can use some of the tools in nuclear power plants to create weapon grade material. Can't really use it for anything else, and it's not exactly pocket sized so you can smuggle it into the country without anyone noticing, so not having a nuclear power program makes it rather difficult to acquire these things without raising suspicion.

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    13. Re:There was a time... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Give it time, the US isn't a theocracy yet!

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    14. Re:There was a time... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Before Iran became an Islamic Republic, it was an enlightened American client state, ruled by Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, a really great guy, who provided his people with the most modern instruments of torture, and housed his political prisoners in state of the art facilities.

      Oh yeah, and Iranians are so much better off today! The problem with the Iranian Revolution is the revolutionaries were revolting to put a far worse group in power. Great job!

    15. Re:There was a time... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Of course I'd rather have an Arrow of Slaying vs. All Assholes, but that would also probably take out about 90% of the human population, too, so same difference.

      It sounds like based upon your attitude towards your fellow man that the arrow would slay you as well.

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    16. Re:There was a time... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Baptists are free to live by their rules that alcohol is not allowed, it is when they try and make other people live by that rule that we have issues with them.

      Dry counties are anti freedom.

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  2. Perhaps... by Type44Q · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps some enterprising Persian can invent headscarves that look like... hair.

    1. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps some enterprising Persians can quit blaming women for their inability to control themselves.

    2. Re:Perhaps... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      You don't have to go to Iran to find men who justify their ill behavior because of what they view as women being over-provocatively dressed. I've seen that exact claim made on /.

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    3. Re:Perhaps... by tombak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But in iran this idea is codified in the legal system, its not a fringe idea expressed by a weirdo on an internet forum. That's the difference.

    4. Re:Perhaps... by tombak · · Score: 1

      Most enterprising Persians have escaped Iran and are living somewhere in California now, and they couldnt give less of a F@#% about what happens back home.

    5. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can go to Europe now and find that easily. In fact, they are having teaching the Muslims how not to treat women

      How fucking backwards is a culture when you have to be taught not be a complete fucking animal?

    6. Re:Perhaps... by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

      Perhaps when they're finished teaching European Muslims how to behave, they can come to Slashdot and teach the men here how to react when the Nebula Awards picks women authors for leading awards.

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    7. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Islamic men have no faith in the strength of their God, so they must defend God themselves, using extreme violence.

      Islamic men have no faith in themselves, so they outlaw any sort of temptation and punish it with extreme violence.

      Islam is the faith for the faithless.

    8. Re:Perhaps... by haruchai · · Score: 2

      It certainly sounds fucking backwards but then you don't have to go back very far in many advanced Western cultures to find mistreatment of women, children, animals, minorities, homosexuals & cripples.

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    9. Re:Perhaps... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Dare I ask what our Sunni friends must think of these heinous atrocities? Will they cross the border to rescue them? Have no fear, damsels in distress! Help is on the way

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    10. Re:Perhaps... by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good comparison. Obviously the sad puppies or whatever are directly comparable to groups that stone women for things that aren't even crimes here. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is Hitler, right?

    11. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, I'm not clear- are you suggesting that it is ok to mistreat women, children, animals, minorities, homosexuals, and cripples today in Western cultures? Or are you suggesting that it should not be tolerated no matter which culture, because it is no longer the fucking past? ...or are there different rules if it is brown people?

      You liberals are mindbendingly racist with your racism of lowered standards.

    12. Re:Perhaps... by haruchai · · Score: 2

      I'm not a liberal, well except when being compared to a rabid rightwingnut with execrable reading comprehension.

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    13. Re:Perhaps... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Yes because everyone knows that picking something because of their sexual identity is the true meaning of quality and should be lauded for it. And you should never, ever, select something based on the merit of something.

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    14. Re: Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love these how to teach men statements.
      It really shows me how sexist people can be, and yes, even against men.

      How can we teach all men not to rape?
      First, go "fix" all those other countries you SJWs keep making excuses for that treat women like crap. That makes you rape enablists!

      Secon, how can we teach all women to accept money for sex, problem solved.
      Just look at bonobos, it works for them.

    15. Re:Perhaps... by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Fringes are also banned/have to be covered up.

    16. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps some enterprising Persian can invent headscarves that look like... hair.

      Sadly enough, this used to be a thing in Turkey when government officials were banned from displaying any clothing which indicated their religion (so that as representatives of a secular state, they would not create the appearance of favoring one religion over the other). Some women would wear wigs over their headscarves.

      The West was so broken up over this that they supported the "Moderate Muslims" in power to change such bans of personal expression. Now Muslim state employees can exercise their freedom to display their religion any way they want. It is silly to assume, as some do over there, that way this will pressure other women to cover up. Emboldened by their ability to do such things against the founding principles of the republic, it can be clearly seen that the government over there has increased all freedoms, including those of the press, political dissidents, etc.

    17. Re:Perhaps... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >But in iran this idea is codified in the legal system, its not a fringe idea expressed by a weirdo on an internet forum.

      Considering how frequently it is expressed by lawyers in court defenses (all of them), and how often it succeeds (most of the time) there is nothing fringe about it in the USA either and for all matters of practicality it IS enshrined in law. If you want to actually be different: make it a law that you CANNOT ask the accuser in a rape case what she was wearing because it cannot EVER be relevant and the mere question is prejudicing the jury.

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    18. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely. The entire world seems to have lost the concept of severity.

      In Iran you can be executed for being gay. In some states in the US they make certain types of gays use the restroom they don't want to use. So obviously both countries and anti-gay and terrible.

      When comparing two places and saying "You can find that here too . . .", always consider two factors:

      1. Severity
      2. Frequency

      If you can find the same general sentiment but to much less of a degree, or in far fewer people, then it's not really the same thing.

    19. Re:Perhaps... by EnsilZah · · Score: 1

      This actually happens in orthodox Jewish communities.
      Married women are forbidden of having their hair seen by strangers or something of that sort, so they all walk around wearing wigs.

    20. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a T-shirt that has the following text: "please fuck me, i want it, here's my home address and this the pin number to my home lock"?

    21. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feminists point out that women being over-provocatively dressed occurs in most of Europe.

    22. Re:Perhaps... by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Unless you know whether it was being word ironically or legitimately, it still doesn't matter......that still isn't consent.

    23. Re:Perhaps... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Those are also the same Jews that like to throw rocks at cars driving around during Yom Kippur and that play fucking musical chairs on airplanes so they can be sitting in an appropriate religiously approved arrangement. They are not what one would call the main stream and it is not backed by governmental law and force.

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    24. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It certainly sounds fucking backwards but then you don't have to go back very far in many advanced Western cultures to find mistreatment of women, children, animals, minorities, homosexuals & cripples.

      Making the same mistakes in your own past doesn't make it okay for others to make them now does it?

      "Look at those countries stoning women to death for adultery. No, we shouldn't get involved, it's just a phase. They'll get through it. We went through that phase ourselves once after all!"

    25. Re:Perhaps... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Hey, if female authors don't want to be torn to pieces on the 'net, they should just publish under a male pen name, like female authors have always done!

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    26. Re:Perhaps... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Agree that ultra-Orthodox Jews are assholes. Disagree that they are "not backed by governmental law and force". Orthodox Jews in Israel are definitely given special status, exempted from military service, etc. One of my biggest problems with Israel is that they don't follow an ideal of separation of church and state.

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    27. Re:Perhaps... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I did not know about the special status.

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    28. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orthodox jews are very much backed by government, they waste a ton of money on their "religious" education and "social welfare" that they receive automatically as orthodox jews are not required to work. Half the the defense budget is spent on defending all the imbecille terrorist activities these orthodox idiots do in occupied territories. These people can't live without provoking palestinians and make their lives miserable and they live of hard working israeli communities like parasites.

    29. Re:Perhaps... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Asking to change in a year or two things that took decades of free speech persuasion to change here is indeed asking a lot.

      Don't ask, don't tell was not a compromise with just Republicans. Sam Nunn, Democrat, took cameras on tour of a submarine, oh look, they share bunks in shifts. What if your son had to sleep in the same bunk as a gay man? Oh dear!

      So a country that is closer to 1950s US, or 1850s, should change overnight?

      Keep in mind much political shifting is due to older generations dying off and more liberal youngsters dominating the vote. You have decades to go in this case...assuming it is even changing, which it may not be.

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    30. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Interesting that Israel is expected to have Muslims live alongside Jews within Israel proper, while West Bank & Gaza are expected to be Judenfrei

    31. Re:Perhaps... by agm · · Score: 1

      Wearing something so you don't offend an imaginary being seems pretty ridiculous to me. Being offended by the top of a person's head is also ridiculous. Outlawing the exposure of your head? That's a crime against humanity. The sooner these childish beliefs end the better.

    32. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps some enterprising Persian can invent headscarves that look like... hair.

      The crazy Ayattollah and his band of Revolutionary guards. None of his people want him, so why doesn't he just go away. He doesn't inspire anyone except the Revolutionary Guards.

    33. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a fat nerd with an ileostomy. Unless she directly flirts with me, she put that shirt on thinking of Tom Hiddleston, Justin Bieber, or "that cute guy in her English class". Even if she directly and willingly flirts with me, she almost certainly won't know about the stoma until my shirt's off (or I tell her), and deserves the chance to back out when she does discover it.

      Hell, for all I know she's living a variant of Die Hard 3, has to wear the shirt because of a terrorist, doesn't mean a word of it, and in an hour we'll be gathered at the last pay phone figuring out how many went to St. Ives.

    34. Re:Perhaps... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Um, you should learn your terms.

      Not all transexuals/transvestites are gay, in fact it is no guarantee that males dressing as females, or males who go through the surgery even like men, and the same for the female side.

      Also, only one state passed a law to that effect, and it was because there were legitimate complaints of men cross dressing to perv out in the women's room. If you don't draw attention to yourself, no one else in the bathroom will have any idea of the equipment you are packing.

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    35. Re:Perhaps... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Um, you do realize that picking a book for an award simply based on the sex/race of the writer is bigoted don't you? It doesn't matter if it is for white men or against white men, both are equally racist and sexist. The puppy movement is about getting away from politics and celebrating good science fiction, not the politics of the writers.

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    36. Re:Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to switch to decaf.

  3. Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    All it seems to exist for is as an excuse to exercise control over people's lives, and as an excuse for violence. My philosophy? So long as you're not breaking any laws or causing anyone else harm, do whatever pleases you. Why does it have to be any different than that?

    1. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But they were breaking laws.

      Stupid laws, yes, but they were being broken.

    2. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Define "stupid" law.
      Or let me be more precise. Here are some "smart" laws in California: http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/california

      Sunshine is guaranteed to the masses.
      It is a misdemeanor to shoot at any kind of game from a moving vehicle, unless the target is a whale.
      Women may not drive in a house coat.
      No vehicle without a driver may exceed 60 miles per hour.
      Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship.
      Bathhouses are against the law.

    3. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For religious leaders, yes, religion exists to control others. For religious followers, religion exists to make life seem meaningful, rightly-directed, and to provide emotional support for grief. Religion continues to flourish not just due to ignorance, but due to the high demand for a meaningful and righteous existence.

      The fact that religion provides meaning through delusion is secondary, since believers don't realize they are deluded.

    4. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As mentioned, this *is* a law. But laws can be changed.

      Women can be, and have been, elected to national political office in Iran. In fact, 84 of 435 (19.3%) of their national representatives are women. That isn't that great, admittedly, but at least it's--

      Oh wait, those are the US house of reps numbers. Our senate has 20 women out of 100 senators, roughly the same ratio.

      Meanwhile, Iranian women MPs are 21 of 290, or 7%. But before you argue how backwards that is compared to the US, reflect that it is roughly the representation the US had in the early 1990s.

      So there's hope for a more representational government, both for Iran and the US.

    5. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by ewibble · · Score: 2

      Dump the breaking laws part and replace harm with significant harm and you got it.

      Laws can be made up to be anything the rulers want it doesn't make them just.

      Most actions a person makes affects someone else and may cause harm to someone else. if I go out in public showing my face some people may be offended, that can be construed as harm. However I don't consider being offended as significant harm. One of the things I see more and more people thinking they have the right not to be offended. I believe this should never be a right.

    6. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      due to the high demand for a meaningful and righteous existence

      I don't want or need some asshole in a funny hat dictating to me what is 'righteous' or 'meaningful', I find those just fine all by myself, thank you very much, and it does NOT involve some asshole Invisible Sky God.

    7. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...since believers don't realize they are deluded.

      Neither do non-believers.

    8. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Religions have always been about control, they're the original "big brother", don't do anything wrong because "god" is watching you and listening to your thoughts 24/7. Failing that, you can confess your transgressions and receive "absolution". But when you get the evil fuckwits who promote this bullshit into actual political power, then the stupid gets turned up to 11. Religions should be banned, they should just be recognized as the cons they are and banned.

    9. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by meerling · · Score: 1

      Since laws are enacted but do not expire in this country, sometimes one that was perfectly reasonable for an issue at that time becomes nonsensical to later generations. You can bet the whole banning of shooting animals from moving vehicles unless it's a whale is a leftover from the age of whaling when they wanted to shut down stupid yahoos hunting from cars because they shot up some peoples houses by accident or something similar.

      In the city I'm in, it's illegal to hang the wash out to dry on one particular day of the week. Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it. Back when it was made, that day was the official trash burning days as it was before landfills and the recycling centers. Some idiots kept hanging their laundry out to dry on that day, and then raised hell over it getting dirty from the soot & ashes of burning trash. Well they couldn't ban the public from dealing with the garbage in the only way available to them, so they banned the idiots from doing the same stupid thing they kept doing every week.

      Again, there are often good reasons behind laws that now seem really stupid.
      Though the sunshine guarantee needs more explanation to me, along with the house coat, but the automated vehicles limited to 60mph is based on flawed reasoning to begin with if it's the one I think it is.
      So yes, there really are stupid laws that were made for or by stupid people, but you can't just assume that was the case right off the bat.

    10. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by meerling · · Score: 1

      Though I highly suspect it is a large decrease of what they used to have, especially during the time period when women could go to real colleges and get actual education instead of the advanced homebody crud they force them into now.

    11. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by sexconker · · Score: 1

      No vehicle without a driver may exceed 60 miles per hour.

      Is that an "instantaneous" rate? Or is it really a limit on the number of miles traversed in one hour? What if the vehicle goes in a circle? Are we talking gross miles or net?

    12. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it necessary to be someone to represent them?

      Or does that explain why our representatives only represent their own interests?

    13. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Seems like a dumb law to begin with. The answer is "well don't hang out your wash on that day" not to fine them for doing so.

    14. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by bane2571 · · Score: 1

      I believe the answer to "don't do that" in the US is "it's a free country, I'll hang my washing out when I want"

      Hence the law saying it's not a free country in this very narrow circumstance.

    15. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Well said. We should not close our minds to the good things, even if there are many things we may dislike about a specific nation or culture. However, it we also have to allow legitimate criticism, and it is obviously wrong to dictate how people choose to look or dress, whether it is making it mandatory to wear headscarves or banning the same. This is wrong simply because it runs against the diverse nature of people; some women clearly feel more comfortable with a headscarf or other traditional dress items, and others don't want it - it is wrong to impose something that causes discomfort to individuals, unless there is very good reason to do so.

      I think this also ties into a wider issue about tolerance and its limits. Here in UK we had a brief bust-up about alleged anti-semitism in the Labour party; as an outsider to the political parties I found the whole argument rather strained. I think it was already obvious that none of the mainstream parties were hotbeds of racism in any form. But it has to be possible to criticise Israel, even in strong terms, without automatically being called 'anti-semitic'. It isn't anti-semitic to be against Zionism - one of the arguments I heard, in a rather shrill voice, was the "the Jews have a right to self-determination"; well of course they do, but so do we all, including the Palestinians. And the Iranians, not least. If you want to criticse others and be listened to, you have to be willing to receive criticism as well.

    16. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Sun · · Score: 1

      If you claim that Israel is a racist country by the mere fact that it is a Jewish state, you are doing exactly that: denying Jews the right of self-determination.

      If you are repeating Holocaust deniers' false "historical" claims, you are either painfully uninformed, or doing so on purpose.

      Both of those have nothing to do with criticizing Israel.

      Shachar

    17. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by jandersen · · Score: 1

      If you claim that Israel is a racist country by the mere fact that it is a Jewish state, you are doing exactly that: denying Jews the right of self-determination.

      I would like to hear the details in that argument - I don't see how criticising the state of Israel for allowing illegal settlements (not to mention actively building them) or practising what looks increasingly like apartheid means that you are calling Israel racist by "the mere fact that it is a Jewish state", or how that logically leads to the conclusion that Jews have no right to self-determination. I am willing to let you convince me - with logical arguments, please,

      As for whether Judaism is inherently "racist", I'll let other judge; the three religions that have sprung from the tradition of Abraham have in common the idea, that their followers are God's chosen people, and all others are pagans and inferior to the in crowd. It certainly sounds a lot like the things coming out of racists. But you should judge people on their own, individual merits, not on their lineage, skin colour or choice of life-lie; that's what I do. And even Jews can sometimes be idiots, sadly.

    18. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      One of the things I see more and more people thinking they have the right not to be offended. I believe this should never be a right.

      Freedom of speech is a fundamental right, and that includes saying you find things offensive. It's an absolutely fundamental right in all modern, progressive countries, and absolutely should be. It's fundamental to democracy.

      What isn't a right is to stop others offending you.

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    19. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Sun · · Score: 1

      If you claim that Israel is a racist country by the mere fact that it is a Jewish state, you are doing exactly that: denying Jews the right of self-determination.

      I would like to hear the details in that argument - I don't see how criticising the state of Israel for allowing illegal settlements (not to mention actively building them) or practising what looks increasingly like apartheid means that you are calling Israel racist by "the mere fact that it is a Jewish state", or how that logically leads to the conclusion that Jews have no right to self-determination. I am willing to let you convince me - with logical arguments, please,

      It's one thing to say "Israel should not build settlements over the green line". That is legitimate criticism (one, BTW, I share). It would have been a legitimate criticism to accuse Israel of operating an apartheid regime, had that accusation not been based on completely and utterly incorrect facts, and the people making that accusation usually being unwilling to discuss those base assumptions, often redefining what "racism" and "apartheid" mean. Personally, I see neither of those basis of criticism as inherently antisemitic (though the second one is definitely flawed). Neither of those, however, are critical of Israel "by the mere fact that it is a Jewish state", which is what I was referring to.

      You do hear people claiming that the state of Israel is inherently racist, not necessarily because of anything it does, but by merely declaring itself as a Jewish state. That claim is actually claiming that Jews are not entitled to self determination, as any state via which the Jews realize their self determination is going to be a Jewish state.

      Shachar

    20. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Pragmatically speaking the language of the U.S. is English, but we don't have an official language.

      Does Israel really have to officially declare themselves a Jewish state?

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    21. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      What are you, a frickin' Wiccan? "The only law is, 'do no harm'!" Actually, I agree with this philosophy; law is just a codification of types of harm and what the punishment should be for various types of harm. The problem with religious extremists is that they regard "I read somewhere that this pissed God off!" as the most serious type of harm. The Mohammed I believe in doesn't lose his shit just because somebody draws a cartoon of him -- he just shakes his head at their ignorance, and walks away.

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    22. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I am appalled by any country that doesn't practice the principle of separation of church and state, Israel is no exception. Letting a vocal minority of Orthodox Jews make all the decisions is just _wrong_. But then, I'm not an expert on Israeli politics.

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    23. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Can't they be a secular state with a majority Jewish population, and still have self determination? Of course, the real reason for their apparently discrimination against Palestinians is their fear that non-Jews might actually become a majority in Israel. Most countries try to avoid the problem by defining themselves as secular states that protect the rights of minorities. Israel "avoids" the problem by defining themselves as a Jewish state, with special status for Orthodox Jews.

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    24. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by jrumney · · Score: 1

      It would have been a legitimate criticism to accuse Israel of operating an apartheid regime, had that accusation not been based on completely and utterly incorrect facts, and the people making that accusation usually being unwilling to discuss those base assumptions, often redefining what "racism" and "apartheid" mean.

      OK, I'm willing to discuss. Israel exercises control over the land and maritime borders of Gaza and West Bank, severely restricting the movement of goods and people. They continue to build and extend settlements in the West Bank, and build separate roads linking them to Israel which Palestinians are not allowed to use. They also strongly oppose any attempt to recognize a Palestinian state at any international level. But on the other hand, they do not give residents of Gaza or West Bank any of the rights of Israeli citizens, which would at least be consistent with the view that the Palestinian state is not legitimate and the land part of Israel. That looks pretty close to apartheid to me.

    25. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're talking to yourself again. It's very rude, you know.

    26. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You can be a representative as long as you wear a habib. Otherwise we'll use that as an excuse to rape you, then use that defilement as an excuse to stone you to death."

      "You can be a representative."

      You're seriously equating those two? Really? That's fuckin' amazing.

    27. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by agm · · Score: 1

      Non-believers tend to have the scientific process to back them up. Believers have faith, which means believing in shit without good reason.

    28. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Sun · · Score: 1

      First of all, from the fact we moved on to other issues, I take it I've convinced you on the "antisemitism" claim.

      That looks pretty close to apartheid to me.

      Apartheid: racial segregation

      I've snipped all the definitions that are only related to South Africa, and I'm sure we agree those are irrelevant here.

      Your accusations include controlling borders and movement (called "a siege", not racial segregation), building settlements (not racial segregation) and opposing a Palestinian state (negotiation stance, not racial segregation) while not giving full citizens rights (occupation, not racial segregation). The only accusation that has any racial segregation tint to it is the separate roads claim.

      To see whether this is a result of racial segregation or not, I suggest we have to consider two questions:
      1. Is the separation based on race, or on other criteria?
      2. Is there any other reason, beside racial, for this separations?

      I'll start with the second question. Israel claims that the separate roads are due to security concerns, and not due to racial reasons. Do you have anything to counter that claim?

      The first one is even simpler to disprove. Are Palestinians who ARE Israeli citizens also segregated? The answer is a resounding "no". The law prohibits discrimination based on religion and race, and there are Israeli Arabs in the Knesset, in the government, as judges in court (including in the supreme court, including presiding over cases where the defendants are a former prime minister and a former president), as doctors, including managing divisions where the other doctors are Jewish, etc.

      Given all that, the only way you can say that Israel is an apartheid state is if you ignore the facts AND what apartheid actually means.

      And precise meaning is important. Apartheid was a policy enacted by South Africa where whites would keep blacks away from white's lives. It carries an appalling association to any moral human being who cares about equality. The Palestinian propaganda is bastardizing this term to mean "whatever it is that Israel is doing", because they want you to carry those sentiments, rightly associated with apartheid, and associate them with Israel.

      Shachar

    29. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Sun · · Score: 1

      Self determination: free choice of one's own acts or states without external compulsion

      The form of government you suggest is not the form of government the Jews chose. This has a bunch of historical reasons, but those are irrelevant. Saying "choose what you want, so long as it is this model that works for a completely different group of people" is, by definition, not self determination.

      I'll also add that the current liberal fashion is to frown upon nation states. This has not been the case in 1948, when Israel was formed. Looking at the trends currently taking place in Europe, I doubt this fashion will still be around in ten years' time. In fact, quite a bit of Europe's current problems are due to the fact that this fashion took hold enough for Europe to change the definition for its member states, which were, almost all of them, nation states up until that change. That happened about ten years ago. You tell me how well that worked for them.

      You will excuse me if I don't give my vote to parties suggesting Israel make the same change in any upcoming elections.

      Shachar

    30. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Sun · · Score: 1

      Politics aside, please note that the "Jewish" in "Jewish state" is not the religion. Israel is, by and large, a secular state. The Jewish term refers to the Jewish people. From the opening to Israel's declaration of independence:

      ERETZ-ISRAEL [(Hebrew) - the Land of Israel, Palestine] was the birthplace of the Jewish people.

      (emphasis mine)

      Later on, it lists the founding principles for the state:

      THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

      So, first sentence ensures that any Jew can immigrate. Second sentence ensure equality to everyone. Third sentence tries to make sure that there is no "official state religion".

      The Orthodox Jews in Israel do get a lot of power, but this is not a result of the definition of the state. It is simply a result of internal politics. By and large, in actual practice, Israel's every day life is secular for people who so choose to live their lives.

      Shachar

    31. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Sun · · Score: 1

      My answer to Locke2005 covers most of your question. Just one additional point, though. You do realize that Israel has two official languages, right?

      Shachar

    32. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Maybe if we could get some other word such that "Jewish" doesn't have 3 or 4 separate meanings that you can usually use to trip up people...

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    33. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Sun · · Score: 1

      When the Zionist movement only started, some considered calling the nationality "Hebrew" (a term used in the Bible in that context). I don't remember reading about why the proposal was eventually rejected. I'm guessing that 2000 years of calling yourself by another name took precedence.

      A few die hard leftists tried petitioning the supreme court to define their nationality is "Israeli". The supreme court rejected it, IMHO, correctly. It claimed they can point to no national identifiers that "Israelis" have that distinguish them from Jews.

      By and large, complaining about the name of something is a waste of time. Yes, the fact that Jewish is both a national affiliation and a religion is confusing, but whether justified or not, it is what it is.

      Shachar

    34. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      http://www.craveonline.com/sit...

      Look at #3, that was never a sensible law.

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    35. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Does Israel declare themselves a Jewish state? Last I checked, Israel had a rather large population of Muslims and Christians, and they are not second class citizens and can vote, and are represented in government, so is it a Jewish state, or is it a non secular state?

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    36. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Sun · · Score: 1

      More complete answer here.

      The short answer is that Israel is a Jewish state, in much the same way that Cyprus is a Greek state. Non Jewish citizens have equal rights. The two are not contradicting.

    37. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Thank you, that helps with understanding.

      Now if we could get the Palestines to integrate, and the rest of the middle east to stop trying to destroy what appears to be the only free country in the region.

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  4. Disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I fell for the lurid description and clicked the links, but the girls in the photos all had their scarves on :(

    1. Re:Disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you must have missed the one where that one chick was showing just a hint of ankle [drool]

    2. Re:Disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean, "you must have missed the one where that one chick was showing just a hint of ankle [feelin' stabby]"

    3. Re:Disappointed by sexconker · · Score: 1
  5. This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a religious cult gets state powers...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

     

    1. Re:This is what happens... by tombak · · Score: 1

      "Race and intelligence"??, what does that have to do with anything? are you implying Iranians are stupid? Do you understand that the Iran government is an autocratic system and that they dont get elected into office? They have taken over the government through some shrewd political gymnastics and assassinations immediately after the Iranian revolution. The Iranian people would not vote for them if it was up to them. There has been countless uprising against the islamic regime and there is a strong reformist movement in iran. I think you should read some history texts instead of just chalking this up to "race and intelligence".

    2. Re:This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, any citizenry that puts up with an Islamic form of rule is stupid.

      Of course, we're putting up with a full-on oligarchy, so there's that.

    3. Re:This is what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet when muslim flee these countries and seek refuge in our haram society, they wish to enact sharia and petition to government with that purpose. Don't pretend that they are victim of a evil dictatorship. THESE PEOPLES DID CHOSE ISLAM. It is our duty to reject them and their sick cult.

      And if you want to argue that they did not chose islam. e.g.: that islam was forced into them by muslim conquest... well that is islamophobic. But IMHO, that is a reason more to reject them with all the force necessary.

  6. In China... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you kiss a girl on the street, you could be arrested...Go figure.

    1. Re:In China... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you kiss a girl on the street, you could be arrested...Go figure.

      How about if you kiss her on the mouth?

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  7. Re:This is the future Republicans... by kheldan · · Score: 1

    No, what I think a fair portion of them want is to return the United States to something like Pleasantville.

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  8. snap-hijab by tombak · · Score: 5, Funny

    We should make an islamic instagram app that automatically superimposes hijab/niqab on all females in a given shot. Hek it just removes all females from pics. Also it additionally gives men long beards and a unibrow for extra piety points.
    H

    1. Re:snap-hijab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are all born naked, regardless of the religion we are born into. Requiring a head scarf seems pretty stupid when you think of it that way, unless everyone is born sinning which is also stupid.

    2. Re:snap-hijab by meerling · · Score: 1

      Stop giving them ideas!

    3. Re:snap-hijab by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      We should make an islamic instagram app that automatically superimposes hijab/niqab on all females in a given shot. Hek it just removes all females from pics

      There would be multiple markets for that app.

    4. Re:snap-hijab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We are all born naked, regardless of the religion we are born into.

      I was born in Monopoly man clothing complete with top hat. I now vote Republican. Coincidence?

    5. Re:snap-hijab by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      .. unless everyone is born sinning which is also stupid.

      Well, stupid or no, that is actually one of the core tenets of Christianity; that we're all born sinning, and thus can only find salvation through repentance. Literally, according to the doctrine, I believe its defined that only Christ's mother was free of sin.

    6. Re:snap-hijab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe its defined that only Christ's mother was free of sin.

      False

    7. Re:snap-hijab by rizole · · Score: 1

      Hijabagram?

    8. Re:snap-hijab by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      It depends which branch you ask. According to Catholics, the set size is 2 for { Christ, Mary }. Presumably Narcocide has questions of the definition of "being born" and the nature of Christ in mind for his count.

      Other branches that note the lack of evidence* for this whatsoever other than "church leaders say so" limit it to just { Christ }.

      * Okay "evidence" in this discussion is a bit...overloaded. I mean the Bible.

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    9. Re:snap-hijab by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure Mother Mary was guilty of premarital sex...

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    10. Re:snap-hijab by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      There are newspapers that represent the Orthodox Jewish viewpoint, both in Israel and the US. They *do* remove women from pictures. Remember the photo of President Obama and the Cabinet in the Situation Room watching the Bin Laden raid? Those newspapers printed that image modified to remove Secretary of State Clinton and another female in the back of the room. Something about "preserving their modesty".

    11. Re:snap-hijab by agm · · Score: 1

      Nobody is "born into a religion". Everyone is born an atheist because at the time of birth they don't believe in any gods.

  9. Re:This is the future Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't listen to him. Trump will make headscarves illegal! Make America great again!

  10. Re:This is the future Republicans... by MightyMartian · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Of course, Trump, like the Iranian theocrats, also happens to believe that most women are absolute shit.

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  11. Are you trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    to turn the comments into a hate filled racist cesspool?

    There's no reason at all for this to be here. Just because it says instagram doesn't mean it's tech news and you can troll with this crap.

    1. Re:Are you trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to censor?

    2. Re:Are you trying by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Its a typical geek/nerd thing, random deep interest in a particular subject. So why specifically women's hair and why not men's hair. What happens if you shave you head and are bald, do you still require the covering. How about if you shave you head and wear an artificial wig, it's not your hair, so do you still need to cover it. What happens if you shave you head and displays the leftover hair, do you cover your head or that hair. If it is women's hair what happens if a bald man, wears a wig made of women's hair, does he now have to cover his head. How about if you are a man and cover your head, hiding you hair, is that a crime ie pretending to be a woman? Are any particular hair styles more subject to legal intervention than others. Overall the rules seems really arbitrary and nothing more than a forced control to limit the rights of one group in preference to the other group not bound by the same control, so the control has no function beyond enforcing that control and reminding those being controlled, that they are subject to control and should mind their place.

      In the case of tech sites and the application of technology. What happens if you wore a head covering and is was digitally removed and replaced with something that just looks like hair, has a law been broken on not. How about counter measures, should the rest of the world flood Iran with, Iranian looking websites with women with their hair exposed, so as to leave them running around in circles looking for culprits.

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  12. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stick it to the Man, ladies! Wear a face-concealing headscarf in a nude photo. Then sit back and watch as hilarity ensues.

  13. Re:This is the future Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is a totally legitimate statement and can be supported by dozens of direct quotes, right, Hillary fanboy?

  14. Nuke 'em from orbit, salt the earth.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Muslim country is repressing half its population. Inmates firmly in charge of the asylum. More news at 11.

    1. Re:Nuke 'em from orbit, salt the earth.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up for a truly Islamic solution to an Islamic problem!

    2. Re:Nuke 'em from orbit, salt the earth.. by meerling · · Score: 1

      It's a lot more than half. They repress more than just the females.

  15. Re:This is the future Republicans... by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

    Regarding theocrats, see patriarchy. In fact, I can't think of a single theocratic country that is run by women...

  16. Re:This is the future Republicans... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1
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  17. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about time those sluts got what they deserved. Showing their hair to strangers!? The decadence!

    What's next? Horses eating people? The absolute moral decay of civilization as we know it? Thank Allah for you, moral police, leading us into a brighter future since 1979.

  18. This is a bad sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That the Islamo fascists are going to try to kidnap and "re-educate" models who they think are former iranians..

    That is a good way to get killed by 20 fucking steroided out body guards with nothing better to do.

  19. Re:This is the future Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It turns out that "Republicans" is a very large set of people, and they don't all agree with each other about what they want their country to be like.

    The same goes for Democrats.

    In both cases the groups wind up polarizing on political extremes, because that is the "drift" that they all have in common. This is very unfortunate, since extremes in either direction tend to be harmful, and this polarization leaves no room for moderates.

  20. Where's the beef? by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cops in the US will arrest women for going topless in public. What's the difference?

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    1. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Only in some places. In Manhattan, for example, it's completely legal to go topless. Check this out and your State:

      Times Square in New York:
      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/nyregion/topless-in-times-square-a-legal-view.html

      Topless in other places:
      http://gotopless.org/topless-laws

    2. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the difference?

      Men don't have to wear hats, skullcaps, or otherwise cover their hair in public.

      ... arrest women for going topless ...

      On a purely logical level, men are allowed to expose their nipples (which are sexual organs) in public, why can't women? France, PNG and several African countries allow bare breasts.

    3. Re:Where's the beef? by meerling · · Score: 1

      I know for a fact that it's specifically legal in my city when it's warm/hot out.
      Of course, nobody wants to go topless when it's freezing.

    4. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference is that they're not hunting down people who are topless in pictures posted online and seek them out and arrest them.

    5. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people like you always try to pretend that Islam is "really not any different" than other religions or the way things are here in the US?

      It's ridiculous to make the claim. OMG women can be arrested for being topless in some places in the US. Well, not arrested of course. The cops will ask them to cover up and if they don't comply they *might* arrest them. Even if they somehow get arrested it's a misdemeanor and a small fine. I don't agree with it but to make the idiotic statement you did is just some sort of SJW thing because Muslims are a protected class somehow.

      What is the penalty under Sharia law for these women? What is the penalty for being topless in public in an Islamic country?

    6. Re:Where's the beef? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      If you look a tiny bit deeper into the alliances we keep, you just might realize that religion and terrorism also are bullshit issues, purely a distraction. I don't understand the obsession.

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    7. Re:Where's the beef? by cupnoodleboy · · Score: 1

      When news about an oppressive and unfair practice in a far away country is shown in Slashdot, it seems that there are a number of posters who would rush to claim that US is also oppressive and unfair in some way. While maybe their purpose is to bash and criticize the US, their words also has the effect of trivializing the oppression and unfairness in the far away country, and thus defending the continuation of the oppression and unfairness in the far away country. If you honestly do not know the difference between Iran and US in this case, in Iran women cannot decide not to wear headscarves and cannot decide to be topless, while in US women can decide not to wear headscarves.

    8. Re:Where's the beef? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      *sigh* Feel free to read my other comments in the thread...

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    9. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >What's the difference?
      Do you need it spelled out?

    10. Re:Where's the beef? by quenda · · Score: 1

      Cops in the US will arrest women for going topless in public. What's the difference?

      Degree. Yes, some parts of the US are a little bit like a Theocracy. But even your example is stretching it. Only a few states have laws against toplessness.
      Sure there a lot of fucked-up things in the US. Like those guys arrested for posting reviews of sex workers. What free speech?
      But you can't seriously claim that the abuses of power are in the same class as Iran, one of the more repressive countries in its region, let alone the world.

      (And yes, it was probably worse when it was a US client state.)

    11. Re:Where's the beef? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The difference is that they're not hunting down people who are topless in pictures posted online and seek them out and arrest them.

      Perhaps someone should make a program that automatically photoshops pictures of random people to remove the scarf from the image, and make it look as if they're not wearing one.

      Then release the edited images as a clone feed on Instagram, so it will be impossible for the gov't to tell WHO was not wearing a scarf VS who was.

    12. Re:Where's the beef? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Depends on the jurisdiction, and there is a movement to get equality for going topless everywhere (#freethenipple). It's a discrimination issue, women's breasts are fetishized while men's are not, so men don't need to cover theirs up.

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    13. Re:Where's the beef? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >The difference is that they're not hunting down people who are topless in pictures posted online and seek them out and arrest them.

      So the difference is not a difference. Be consistent. Everybody here would reject a patent when it just "ancient idea 'on a computer'" - well it's not a difference just because you don't punish people who do it on a computer but DO punish them in the streets.

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    14. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At it's root, no difference. But an arrest for toplessness in the US is most likely a $100 fine. In Iran you get stoned to death or beheaded, after getting raped and beaten repeatedly in prison.

    15. Re:Where's the beef? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Funny as hell... It's like Saudi Arabia doesn't even exist. But of course they are much more, how would you say, 'considerate' of our needs, right?

      Judiciously applied propaganda, works every time...

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    16. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I appreciate that you read and replied to my AC post, completely ignoring your own signature.

      Be consistent.

      Also be less wrong.

    17. Re:Where's the beef? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      No, "on a computer" doesn't cover this. It would be equally dumb if they had cops out on patrol, specifically looking for topless people to arrest.

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    18. Re:Where's the beef? by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Just bear in mind that this would be exposing those random people to retribution from the religious crazies. It would be like swatting.

    19. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #picsoritdidnthappen

    20. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. Bigotry is perfectly okay if it is done politely.. by friends

    21. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that they're not hunting down people who are topless in pictures posted online and seek them out and arrest them.

      Perhaps someone should make a program that automatically photoshops pictures of random people to remove the scarf from the image, and make it look as if they're not wearing one.

      Then release the edited images as a clone feed on Instagram, so it will be impossible for the gov't to tell WHO was not wearing a scarf VS who was.

      They will just arrest everyone and not give a fuck

    22. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure they do, if they are under 18 or believe the pictures could be seen by anyone under 18.

    23. Re:Where's the beef? by dwye · · Score: 1

      Yes, but France bans head scarves (on hopes that they make an exception for chemotherapy patients), crucifixes or Stars of David when visibly worn.

    24. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You definitely DO NOT WANT pics.

      The only women who go topless are uggos whose boobs you don't want to see. Never the hotties you do want to see.

  21. Re:This is the future Republicans... by tombak · · Score: 1

    You are drawing some very unfair parallel between Trump and the Iranian theocrats. Trump has a big mouth, he is equally a jacka$$ to men as he is to women. But he is not for honor killings, stoning rape victims, etc.

  22. Stop living in the past. by SilverBlade2k · · Score: 1

    Iran should think about joining the 21st century in policy and laws before they adopt 21st century technology.

    If they want to live in the year 600, they shouldn't be wanting to use the internet and technology in general.

    1. Re:Stop living in the past. by tombak · · Score: 1

      Good point, but for some reason Islamists love social media. The "top brass" in ISIS spend half their times posting on twitter/instagram. I think there is a teenage girl inside every fundamentalist waiting to come out.

    2. Re:Stop living in the past. by alcmena · · Score: 1

      I think there is a teenage girl inside every fundamentalist waiting to come out.

      I think you got that backwards.

    3. Re:Stop living in the past. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'd have to discard Islam in order to do that. A good first step would be re-embracing Zoroastrianism, which is what they were before the Samanid rulers

  23. Two wrongs don't make a right by presidenteloco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Both of those regimes are/were messed up in their own special way.

    It's too bad that sheeple put up with such tyranny, in either case.

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    1. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by currently_awake · · Score: 0, Troll

      When in Rome, follow Roman law. You want to play with fire, try starting a Communist party in the USA (illegal), or offering end to end encryption email with no back doors in England.

    2. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Try starting a Communist party in the USA (illegal)

      O rly???

    3. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      When in Rome, follow Roman law. You want to play with fire, try starting a Communist party in the USA (illegal), or offering end to end encryption email with no back doors in England.

      No, the US isn't Europe. We don't ban any political parties from existing or saying whatever backwards shit they want to say, which is inclusive of anything from Communist to Fascist parties. The thing is, it's borderline impossible for them to have it their way, because the amount of support they need to be able to do anything is astronomical compared to what is needed in Europe (and is hence one of the downsides of a parliamentary system.)

    4. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      try starting a Communist party in the USA (illegal)

      I'd like to believe you're simply ignorant rather than intentially telling a falsehood. We don't ban political parties in the US. Granted, we haven't always lived up to that ideal, like the McCarthy-era witch hunts - perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

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    5. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Europe has more freedom than the US. We have paedophile political parties and stuff like that too. We also have much more positive freedom, that is where the state is obliged to protect people to some extent. The US kinda has it in some back-door ways, like the requirement to scrape people off the street after an accident and do the bare minimum require to keep them alive Since Europe has had problems with specific groups (e.g. Nazis) in the past, it is judged that on balance banning them in certain countries (Germany) is justified.

      US schools force children to pledge allegiance to the state. The pledge contains the phrase "under god", even though there is supposed to be separation of church and state. Don't tell me that the US has more political freedom than Europe, it's a gross over-simplification and untrue.

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    6. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Just because the law isn't actively enforced doesn't mean it is any less bad that the law exists, which it does.

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    7. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 2
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    8. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ahem, Ahem, a-fucking-hem: you bloody well DO ban political parties in the USA and have SPECIFICALLY banned communist parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The law has never been enforced, and was found unconstitutional by one state supreme court (but because nobody appealed the finding it has never been nationally decided by the federal supreme court) but the law DOES exist.

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    9. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by ZiakII · · Score: 2

      Did you even read what you linked?

      "In 1973 a federal district court in Arizona decided that the act was unconstitutional and Arizona could not keep the party off the ballot in the 1972 general election (Blawis v. Bolin). In 1961 the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the act did not bar the party from participating in New York's unemployment insurance system (Communist Party v. Catherwood)

      However, the Supreme Court of the United States has not ruled on the act's constitutionality. Despite that, no administration has tried to enforce it. The provisions of the act "outlawing" the party have not been repealed. Nevertheless, the Communist Party of the USA continues to exist in the 21st century.

    10. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 1973 a federal district court in Arizona decided that the act was unconstitutional and Arizona could not keep the party off the ballot in the 1972 general election (Blawis v. Bolin)

      The supreme court doesn't need to decide if everyone agrees that the lower federal court's decision is correct. Your argument is absurd; the law exists but it's unconstitutional and unenforceable. By definition it's not possible to enforce this law without breaking the law, and it's that way by design.

    11. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      I did. I even mentioned those facts in another comment. None of it changes anything. A law doesnt cease to be a law because it is not enforced.
      Only an idiot would claim this law has not had a stiffling effect just by existing.

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    12. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      If it's found unconstitutional, then it's not law.

    13. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      It has only been found unconstiutional in Arkansas. It remains law in the other 49 states and all territories.
      Had the federal supreme court ruled it would be different but they have not and since the law is unenforced probably never will because nobody has standing to bring a case.

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    14. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Like I said, during the McCarthy-era witch hunts. Did you not even read to the end of the post? I was assuming the poster was talking present-tense. Because we also literally hunted and tried witches in the past, which we don't tend to do now in the present either.

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    15. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by GTRacer · · Score: 1

      *reads thread* *reads your response* *reads your sig*

      Define "ever" please ^^

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    16. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Try making a Muslim party today, it's not like witch hunts are a thing of the past. The very least you may expect is that three letter goons are going to be all over you and anyone daring to join will have a really hard time getting a sensible job anywhere.

      The US doesn't really outlaw political parties or speech anymore. They just make it very, very, VERY unpleasant to not toe the line.

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    17. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Separation of church and state. You cannot have a Christian party either (and there is not one). You can, however, have a party that holds the values of a religion without explicitly naming that religion. That said, I am an Atheist, so I would prefer a party that holds Atheistic views (so, I am sure as heck not going to vote for Republicans given their recent track record on things that matter to Atheists).

    18. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      It has only been found unconstiutional in Arkansas. It remains law in the other 49 states and all territories.

      The Supreme Court only NEEDS to get involved if it disagrees with the lower court's decision, or two different federal courts issue contradictory rulings. Otherwise the Court doesn't need to arbitrate.

    19. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      It is still the law. Right now. In the present tense.

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    20. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Since my post does not include the word "ever" (in the direct thread) I do not know which use in which comment you refer to and cannot clarify the contextual meaning as I do not know what the context was.

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    21. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Arkansas courts cannot strike down laws outside arkansas anymore than the california supreme court can strike down south carolinas bathroom law.

      But the supreme court is a court: it cannot rule on anything unless somebody brings a case. It hasnt ruled on this case because the state never appealed the arkansas decision. The supreme court has no right to rule on any law that unless somebody brings a case challenging it. It is a court not a legislature.

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    22. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US schools force children to pledge allegiance to the state.

      It's unfortunate. I myself was stoned to death for refusing to recite the pledge of allegiance one day.

    23. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Your sig says "I don't read or reply to ACs. Ever." but you replied to an AC.

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    24. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Had I noticed I wouldn't have.

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    25. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      > Europe has more freedom than the US

      Some places in Europe have some freedoms that the United States does not. Lacking a Bill of Rights means that Americans would see it pretty opposite- no first amendment shuts down debate ("it is hate speech!"), no second amendment shuts down the natural right of self defense, no fourth amendment puts very little limit on what can be searched, etc. If you pick and choose around Europe, you can find counterexamples, but if you have to pick any one place at a time, I don't think the task is very easy.

      > like the requirement to scrape people off the street after an accident

      What in the living fuck are you talking about?

      > US schools force children to pledge allegiance to the state.

      Not since 1943:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      > The pledge contains the phrase "under god"
      So don't fucking pledge allegiance to the American flag.

      > Don't tell me that the US has more political freedom than Europe

      I really don't buy that. Given how much speech is illegal in various places in Europe.

    26. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, then how about a party that wants to impose all the things $religion thinks is great but just without calling it a $religion party.

      Pretty much what the GOP turned into for the Christian faith, just for a different religion.

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    27. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Freedom of speech is a guaranteed right under the ECHR. A constitution isn't the only way to codify rights.

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    28. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the love of christ, you people have laws against things like "antisemitism" or "questioning the holocaust". In america, when the cops come to arrest me for something like that, I can shoot a few of them with my shotgun before they put me down. In europe you guys just fold instantly when the state lightly taps on your door.

    29. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by dwye · · Score: 1

      Are you stating that it is illegal to start a party which supports nationalizing all companies and major private assets without compensating the current owners, or that it is illegal to start a party advocating seizing all governments from the Federal to the local school authority boards by force to do the same?

      Obviously, it is illegal to start a "Communist Party of the United States of America" for the same reason that it is illegal to start a "Walt Disney Corporation" -- violation of trademarks held by the incumbents -- but I assume THAT is not your problem.

      PS: If "I don't read or reply to ACs. Ever." how did you decide to reply to your post's parent? Hypocrite!

    30. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by dwye · · Score: 1

      US schools force children to pledge allegiance to the state. The pledge contains the phrase "under god", even though there is supposed to be separation of church and state.

      Non-specific Deism is not establishing a religion. Furthermore, if the child has religious objections to pledging allegiance, like certain sects do, they can refuse to say the Pledge, and even leave the room if their mere presence offends them (i.e., their parents). The phrase "separation of church and state" is merely shorthand, like "Lincoln freed the slaves" (ignoring little things like the US Army and, later, both houses of Congress, had a hand, as well) and has no legal force or effect, ignoring that it is wrong.

    31. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >Are you stating that it is illegal to start a party which supports nationalizing all companies and major private assets without compensating the current owners, or that it is illegal to start a party advocating seizing all governments from the Federal to the local school authority boards by force to do the same?

      I am saying there is a law that says you cannot start or be a member of a communist party. You gave two examples of what a Bolshevist party would do, apparently you don't know that there are hundreds of varieties of communism and literally EVERY other variety rejects that approach and most of them would make the government far smaller than even the wettest republican dream (quite a lot of them are forms of anarchism). Now whether the law in question defines communism, whether it defines it as Bolshevism or whether it blanket-covers all of them I do not know, nor do I care much.

      >Obviously, it is illegal to start a "Communist Party of the United States of America" for the same reason that it is illegal to start a "Walt Disney Corporation" -- violation of trademarks held by the incumbents -- but I assume THAT is not your problem.

      >Obviously, it is illegal to start a "Communist Party of the United States of America" for the same reason that it is illegal to start a "Walt Disney Corporation" -- violation of trademarks held by the incumbents -- but I assume THAT is not your problem.
      Did I say I have a problem ? I have no problem. I don't even live in America so I really don't care what laws you make for yourself. I just think you should know what laws you live under and not go bragging about your superiorty to the world when there are laws on the books which contradict your claims. The communist control act was passed, it was signed into law by the president, it has never been repealed and it has never been federally overturned. It is, still, the law of the land in the USA.

      >PS: If "I don't read or reply to ACs. Ever."
      Because the sig-length limit left me unable to add "when they reply to me" - which is true. I never know about AC replies to me because I have a mailfilter that deletes them so I never get the notifications because I do not care to read them.

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    32. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Laws against the Communist Party are illegal here in the US.

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    33. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Non-specific Deism is a religion in the terms of establishment. Even if you don't mind Congress establishing something broad enough to only exclude the non-religious, there are non-monotheistic religions.

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    34. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Tell that to congress. They passed one.

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    35. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me when Congress or a state Legislature passes something unconstitutional. Also unfortunately, there appears to be no penalty for doing so, even in the most egregious manner.

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    36. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by dwye · · Score: 1

      Non-specific Deism is a religion in the terms of establishment.

      Incorrect. I leave you the exercise of looking up the Supreme Court decisions where this phrase that I quoted (without quote marks, sorry) was specifically cited as acceptable given the Establishment clause.

      there are non-monotheistic religions.

      As for polytheists, most will accept the term to mean either the head of the pantheon or the pantheon as a whole. It might be an interesting question in the cases of Manicheans worshiping Ahriman or Satanists, I grant you.

      In any case, you ignored the rest of my reply about the original form without "under god" being acceptable, as would silence or even absence in some cases. I just thought of another case -- foreign citizens obviously cannot make the Pledge, and I suppose must remain silent. Unfortunately, I cannot ask my one-time office mate how his wife and brother-in-law handled it as German citizens whose parents were here on work visas. When I last saw him, neither had made any efforts to becoming US citizens.

    37. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      You're right about that, and I don't dissagree. But to claim a law doesn't exist because it should never have been passed is still disingenuous. You can't fix problems if you don't acknowledge them first.

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    38. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      While I don't know the details, doesn't the law to which you refer have a name, paragraph and clause number which would be cited on the charge sheet were the la ever enforced? For example, here in th UK, the police's "catch-all" charge is "public disorder as per Section 5 of the Public Order Act of 1986" (which basically means anything the officer, or anyone else, wants it to).

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    39. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Indeed it does and I cited them all elsewhere on this page as well as provided a link to the wikipidia entry on it.

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  24. Sure, but what about Israel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This smacks of Islamophobia. Let's not forget that Israel, a free, egalitarian, and democratic society in the region, is oppressing everybody just by existing. Islam is the religion of peace and Muslims are our friends! Keep your focus on the real enemy.

    1. Re:Sure, but what about Israel? by Rei · · Score: 2

      For those on the other side of the pond who've never heard of it, the world's largest annual music competition - Eurovision - just voted a muslim woman as the winner. Of course, that was more a slam at Russia than anything else, since she's a Tatar and was singing about how the Russians ethnically cleansed her great grandmother.

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  25. Everywhere? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a big ass world and Instagram pretty much covers all of it.. so where are they going to stop?

  26. Soggy knees by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    It's all fun and games until women are literally subjugated.

    http://addictinginfo.org/2014/...

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    1. Re:Soggy knees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually according to new feminism, being forced to wear the headscarf is empowering and pro women.

      In fact, everyone here is an islamophobe for commenting and even suggesting that Iran is being sexist.

      I am not kidding. This is not a troll. Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

    2. Re:Soggy knees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which should prove to all that the mainstream, establishment-promoted feminist movement is not about equality of the sexes, but about control, manipulation, and subjugation. Just twist any scenario to fit your needs and name-call any who call you out for bullshit.

  27. News For Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw this news earlier on Google News and Yahoo! News and some other places. No offense but, is this really Slashdot relevant? It's interesting news, sure, but what is still separating Slashdot from any other news website anymore?

    1. Re:News For Nerds by meerling · · Score: 1

      Why do people keep making those kinds of statements? Nobody at slashdot cares and won't change what they feel like putting up just because somebody is going to question whether it should be there or not. It's even more lame than firsties.

    2. Re:News For Nerds by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      I saw this news earlier on Google News and Yahoo! News and some other places. No offense but, is this really Slashdot relevant? It's interesting news, sure, but what is still separating Slashdot from any other news website anymore?

      Not really but it mentions instagram so it's fair game.

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  28. Trump is the future by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Trump is the creation of people like you, that called every mild person you disagreed with Hitler, and thus were all vanquished.

    You got exactly what you wanted, all of the mild people banished, and replaced by hard men and women who punch back twice as hard when challenged because it's the only way to stand up to people calling you Hitler - they obviously will not listen to reason, only louder bluster.

    It's obviously what you wanted as you worked so hard for this to com to pass. Strange that you sound unhappy.

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    1. Re: Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because Muslims are desperately trying to escape America... Not break in for welfare and jihad... Right, you fucking dipshit?

    2. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lol. Trump may not be Hitler, but to pin the rise of Trump on people who care about the common good? Nonsense. No, Trump is the creation of the rights brand of histrionic finger-waving. The Fox News dumbing down of America. The manufactured acceptance of Palin-style bullshit to feed your racist, bigoted agenda. Trump is your creation, your problem, and will be your downfall. I will laugh when he either loses or actually pivots so much to the left (where his policies have lain for the greater part of his life) that he may as well be a Democrat. (Which, of course, he is.)

      Lol.

    3. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump has gained his support for one reason. He is not part of the entrenched bureaucracy that has basically run the country into the ground. Clinton is the complete opposite. She has been at the highest level of government ever since she served two terms as co-President. She also served as Secretary of State where she accomplished nothing besides show how inept the government is.
      The vast majority of her campaign donations came directly for Wall Street and others with deep pockets. All of the donors expect a ROI on their investment. Her only goal is to become the first woman President. However, if Trump was to win he really cannot fuck things up worse than they already are. And he is running for President not for Emperor. The checks and balances between the three 3 branches of government keep the President on a short lease. Trump cannot fire Congress if they don't do what he wants. He cannot dismiss any Supreme Court judges because they rule against him. And if Trump wins he will be under constant threat of impeachment if he really screws something up. His own party doesn't like him and combined with the Democrats would make impeachment easy.

    4. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gods I'm so glad to see you saying that.

      War Hero John McCain runs... we can't let him win or lose, we'd better say he's waging a WAR ON WOMEN and is SEXIST!
      http://inthesetimes.com/articl...

      Romney runs, a governor with a reasonably liberal history, especially regarding women's issues? One who wants to be SURE that women get representation in his possible future administration that he gets started, early, on the task of making a list of qualified women? That becomes "binders of women". Romney is waging a WAR ON WOMEN and is SEXIST!
      http://www.theguardian.com/wor...

      So, there's no longer any benefit to being a Republican who isn't sexist. Liberals will call every Republican sexist, no matter fucking what they do. Just go ahead and remove "is not overtly sexist" from the requirements list for being a Republican.

      These people have been BEGGING for Trump. Refuse to compromise. Call everyone a bigot who doesn't agree with you. Insist it is your radical SJW bullshit way or the highway. Deny any voice at all to moderates and conservatives alike. Make no room for them at any table, wage a goddamned war. Richly deserved IMO.

    5. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Trump isn't about being a conservative. He isn't running on a conservative platform. The Republicans who voted for him aren't voting for him because they think he's some right wing conservative. He just smashed the shit out of every right wing conservative in the fucking party, some of them so hard that they are refusing to support their own fucking nominee. The people who vote for Trump won't be disappointed with Trump, and is it really pivoting left if he doesn't have a right wing position to start with? All Trump has to do is not take guns and build a wall, and he's in for 8 years straight and will be more beloved than any Republican since Lincoln.

    6. Re: Trump is the future by war4peace · · Score: 1

      They're simply trying to help you free yourselves from the upcoming repressive regime :)

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    7. Re: Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The comparisons he mentioned would be prior to WWII, and were focused on Hitler's rise to power.

      Now, what did Hitler think of the Jews?
      And his does Trump view Muslims?
      See the similarity?

      The Jews fleeing part came later...
      That's what you would learn if you cracked a damn history book once and a while.

    8. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " if Trump was to win he really cannot fuck things up worse than they already are"
      How wrong can you be?

    9. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... all of the mild people banished ...

      This started a long time ago. The only country that says its citizens are entitled to disagree with the government, is also the only country to ban socialism. Other countries kept it for 2 reasons: Avoiding the slippery slope ('When they came for the communists ...') and allowing government control, like gun registration. Guess what sort of countries are healthier and happier than the USA?

    10. Re:Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure about Hitler - but comparing him to Verwoerd is a spot-on accurate comparison - except that the latter was a LOT more eloquent.

      The thing is - as somebody who lived under the only fascist government to ever rule a country for a significant period WITHOUT being simultaneously at war with major powers... I heard every variation of fascist rhetoric. From the absolute hatred of communism to blaming other races for your hardships, blaming liberals for every evil in the world and filling people with fear of the brown-boogeyman under the bed and the red boogeyman next door.

      Trump isn't LIKE the fascists I lived under, he IS them. If he had run in a South African election in 1976 it would have been a fucking landslide victory for him.

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    11. Re:Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting three rather important little words: Nuclear Launch Codes.

      And you want to give them to somebody with all the tact, social grace and diplomacy of a hungry crocodile in a penguin-tank.

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    12. Re:Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Liberals will call every Republican sexist, no matter fucking what they do

      That's easy to fix: support paid family leave, childcare assistance, guaranteed maternity leave, promise to leave abortion rights untouched and fight AGAINST state governments that try to restrict it, stick to the small government thing enough to get the fuck out of women's wombs entirely in fact - leave that between her and her doctor, and stop fighting against letting women have ready access to birth control, make ending rape culture a goal - and that includes ensuring every rapist gets the punishment he deserves and actually BAN victim blaming as an attempted defense in court.

      Republicans have been consistently on the wrong side of every one of these issues and every now and then they go even further and pull a Todd Aiken on top of it. Those things are what is described as the war on women. You will NEVER escape that accusation unless you change on ALL those things. You cannot stop being accused of a war on women unless you stop FIGHTING one.

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    13. Re:Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      >The only country that says its citizens are entitled to disagree with the government,

      You are right on every part except this one - this is true in many countries and hell the USA wasn't even the first. You could argue they were the first in the modern world but only by less than 10 years since the French republic after the revolution was built on the same principles and then rapidly exported it across all Europe.

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    14. Re: Trump is the future by Talderas · · Score: 0

      Now, what did Hitler think of the Jews?

      That Jews were responsible for significant portions of the economic woes that Germany was facing and had no worthwhile qualities.

      And his does Trump view Muslims?

      That there is an alarming high number of Muslims that believe that Muslims in the US should be able to live under Sharia law rather than our laws as well as an alarming high level of hostility towards the US by Muslims who believe in Jihad and this reaction by Muslims justifies restricting immigration to the US of Muslims under the situation is better understood and contained.

      See the similarity?

      Not really. Hitler was using the German Jews as a bogeyman frequently using highly affluent Jews, like bankers and lawyers, as the main scapegoats while using that to fuel hatred against Jews in general. Trump's statements are reminiscent of isolationism and only seem to target foreign Muslims rather than domestic Muslims.

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    15. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      End rape culture - done. We've also conquered Atlantis and shot Bigfoot. No biggie.

      Ensure every rapist gets the punishment *he* deserves - sure. Do they need to be guilty of something first, or should we just go ahead and punish them? Should these rules also apply to women, or should we abolish that part of the law?

      BAN victim blaming as an attempted defense in court - sure. Should we destroy the *entire* legal system and leave it to Twitter to find the guilty parties or should we have a pretend court remaining for those Friday on-TV trials? What do we do with Judge Judy?

      You know, when I hear about war, I traditionally associate that with bombs and missiles and death, not 'presidential candidate does not agree with me'.

    16. Re:Trump is the future by utahjazz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      These people have been BEGGING for Trump.

      Yes, and they succeeded. Now they will win the presidency by a landslide, and probably take back the senate too.

      Richly deserved IMO.

      Exactly how are liberals suffering from Trump's success? It's the best thing that ever happened to them. Hillary goes to bed every night praying for Donald's continued good health.

    17. Re:Trump is the future by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      and replaced by hard men and women who punch back twice as hard when challenged

      And you're that "hard man" who is going to throw the punch?

      Your brown shirt bluster really is entertaining Ken, I'll give you that.
      But I bet you don't even know what happened to the brown shirts.

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    18. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Slashdot has become a dumpster of conservative idiocy. It is the Republicans who have refused to compromise, whose racist and extremist bullshit lead to Trump. Blaming this on the liberals is the worst sort of victim blaming and you should all be ashamed. Instead, just know your opinion will ultimately lose to the hard rock of reality, and fuck off.

    19. Re:Trump is the future by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      AC
      Refuse to compromise. Call everyone a bigot who doesn't agree with you. Insist it is your radical SJW bullshit way or the highway.

      silentcoder
      long list of liberal platform requirements
      You will NEVER escape that accusation unless you change on ALL those things.

      So basically the point of your post is that you agree with the AC's caricature.

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    20. Re:Trump is the future by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      No, "rape culture" is not completely imaginary. I grew up in the 70s, when getting women drunk and/or high in order to make it easier to get into their pants was considered all part of the game. In fact, some women would flirt with men in hopes of getting the men to turn them on to drugs, but that's more akin to prostitution than rape. The real problem we have now with rape is that without physical evidence, it becomes a "she said/he said" argument. We need to make victims strong enough to immediately show up and let evidence be collected. Accusing someone of rape 20 years after the fact is kind of bullshit; it makes you look more like you're looking for a payday than looking for justice or looking to protect other people from becoming victims!

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    21. Re:Trump is the future by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      The only thing Hillary doesn't pray for is for The Donald to be miraculously cured of his foot-in-mouth disease!

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    22. Re:Trump is the future by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly. A lot of people just aren't getting this. Trump isn't really conservative, and he's proving that many Republican voters aren't either. They don't care for the religious BS that idiots like Santorum push (like trying to ban contraceptives), and they're not for the hardline economic conservatism that "let's eliminate taxes on the billionaires" candidates like Marco advocate. They apparently don't even care much about which bathroom trans people use. They don't see the Democrats as working for them instead of the Wall Street bankers and Hollywood, and they're usually not college educated and are having a hard time with employment, so Trump is the first candidate in a long time who seems to speak for them, so that's why they're rallying around him no matter how much he flip-flops.

    23. Re:Trump is the future by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Hillary's unfavorability ratings are just as high as Trump's, and she does *not* inspire young people to turn out to vote. Bernie does, but Hillary's campaign and the DNC have done everything they can to sabotage him and push him aside, leaving Bernie voters angry and disillusioned, and extremely unlikely to vote for Hillary, and some of them likely to vote for Trump out of disgust (others will probably vote Green, yielding the highest votes that party ever got in a Presidential election). Meanwhile, Republican voters are famous for being reliable voters, and also for despising Hillary.

      Sorry, but there's a very good chance Trump will win the Presidential election, and it'll be the Democrats' fault for pushing such a horrible candidate. You'd think they would have learned from experience over the last few decades, but apparently not: pushing a generally disliked candidate with no charisma is a losing proposition. Bill Clinton was highly charismatic, and won. Gore was not: he lost. Kerry was not: he lost. Obama was, and was hugely popular with the youth: he won. Hillary is not. Are Democrats still angry and envious about Nixon winning or something? (Nixon wasn't too charismatic either, but managed to win.)

    24. Re:Trump is the future by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      8 years of Trump and the US is pretty much like China. A small elite who has everything with a huge group pf plebs who are their slaves.

      Works for me, I'm in Europe, I'd really like more cheap crap to buy! China needs some competition if you ask me!

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    25. Re:Trump is the future by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, he can. And I really, really, REALLY hope he wins.

      At least we over here in Europe might get spared a similar fate. For some odd reason it's popular to push corporate leaders into political positions over here, too, maybe if Trump runs the US into the ground and reduces the majority of people to wage slaves we have something to point at as a "do not want" example, so we would be spared.

      In other words: VOTE TRUMP!

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    26. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? You're saying that liberals should be/should have been more politically correct?

      Liberal politicians have been getting the labels of "commie, terrorist, traitor, deviant, pervert, criminal" for years to decades, but "sexist" is a bridge too far? Making it clear what you think and what you mean in your speech is an American Virtue except when those scum dare to do it?

      It's really disappointing to hear all the tough guys who don't care who they offend turn into exactly the blubbering children they rail against when the vitriol starts to flow in their direction.

    27. Re:Trump is the future by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Who said anything you you caring for the common good? Obviously someone who hates on people who disagree with them, instead of accepting other people have different beliefs, is in no way acting for the common good. Hate is never "good", as much as you try to define that it is.

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    28. Re:Trump is the future by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      This isn't about me you moron, it's about Turmp. His "punching" if you will is all verbal, which is far roe effective.

      Too bad you can't even understand basic writing. Not going to serve you very well over the years as you cower in fear from threats of your own imagining.

      As for myself, I'd vote for Sanders if I could but since I'm pretty sure that will not be possible, Trump is the next best choice.

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    29. Re: Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      The point if my post is that if you wage a war on women you cannot complain about being called out for it.
      And since absolutely every item on that list is the fundamental right of ownership over your own body - no they are not negotiable. No way you would support any policy as invasive into a man's life as these are for women so you cannot support them and claim not to be an autocratic dictator.

      Your logic is about on par with taking people's stuff and complaining for being called a thief.

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    30. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your username is even relevant!

    31. Re: Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And since absolutely every item on that list is the fundamental right of ownership over your own body

      Oh, they are?
      >support paid family leave
      Forcing companies to pay for personal decisions is now not merely "body ownership", but it is "fundamental"?

      > childcare assistance
      Forcing everyone to pay for personal decisions is now not merely "body ownership", but it is "fundamental"?

      > guaranteed maternity leave
      I guess this is separate from family leave, because it is specifically just for women. Also somehow related to body ownership, I guess. The only thing this is "fundamentally", is sexist.

      The only other item on your list, which you froth about for several sentences, is abortion. Its also the only one that is related to "fundamental ownership of body".

      If every Republican is automatically sexist, then don't be surprised when you get the logical result of removing sexism from the list of disqualfiers. If every anti-choice player- which includes a pretty big number of Americans, including women- is waging a "war on women", then you are just trying to redefine anti-choice / pro-life as being something hyperbolic. Americans who are opposed to abortion almost universally arrive there as a result of a fundamentally different belief about religion, souls, and people. Calling this a "war on women" is liberal gobblydegook. But, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

      The wages of your hyperbolic intolerance is Trump, and you richly deserve him.

    32. Re: Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "ownership over your own body" ... unless your body happens to be inside someone else's body at the time (through no fault of your own). In which case: FUCK YOU, that's why!

    33. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you call men sexist for being Republican, you lose the word when you deal with an actual sexist.

    34. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting. You _say_ it's about sexism, but you're all about restricting freedom.

      > support paid family leave
      > childcare assistance
      > guaranteed maternity leave
      none of these are sexism issues, these are about freedom - the company owner's decision whether that's a cost he or she want to pay, and the employee's decision to decide between higher pay or benefits package. If this were as impactful as you believe, more companies would offer it, and more employees would take it. Instead, it seems most employees exercise their freedom to take higher pay without this benefit. You actually wish to restrict freedom by forcing people to a) provide these benefits and b) to not have the option of taking a higher salary without these benefits. Genius.

      > promise to leave abortion rights untouched and fight AGAINST state governments that try to restrict it, stick to the small government thing enough to get the fuck out of women's wombs entirely in fact
      This is the only point you make that increases freedom. I hate having to agree with an idiot like you, but I guess even a stopped clock can be right twice a day.

      > stop fighting against letting women have ready access to birth control
      Women already have ready access to birth control. You're talking about restricting freedom by forcing other people to pay for it.

      > make ending rape culture a goal - and that includes ensuring every rapist gets the punishment he deserves and actually BAN victim blaming as an attempted defense in court
      In a she-said-he-said situation with very little evidence, there is no other way to defend against false allegations. Without the ability to defend in some way, you're talking about restricting freedom by sending people to jail simply on an accusation. That's even worse than the rest of your freedom-restricting fascist trash.

      I can see you're obviously an idiot, and I'm not even a Republican, so I don't feel a need to defend myself against you. No, I'm posting simply because you have no clue what sexism is. Sexism is about rights - e.g. the right to own property, engage in business, vote, govern. It's not about the right to have your shit paid for. Nobody has that right.

    35. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed the point completely, but you can still miss it further by calling them a virgin manbaby MRA misogynerd.

    36. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is the creation of people like you, that called every mild person you disagreed with Hitler, and thus were all vanquished.

      No, Trump is the creation of Trump. He became the front runner by vanquishing his competitors with his persuasion skills. One tactic he used was to call those who disagreed with him names (lying Ted, low energy Jeb)

      You got exactly what you wanted, all of the mild people banished

      Trump is actually more moderate than his image implies. He has one or two controversial policies (the wall, keeping Muslims out) but the rest aren't too different from what you might find in another Republican candidate such as cutting taxes. But then he has positions that even Democrats could agree with such as not touching SS and Medicare. Trump also isn't particularly pushing hard on the old wedge issues like gay marriage or abortion. The episode when he said women ought to be punished, but then he backtracked, actually helped him as it showed that he can be reasoned with instead of being some crazy radical

      In that respect, Trump is more moderate than the other Republican candidates he defeated.

      In short, calling names does work, but it didn't get rid of the moderates. It got rid of the Republican establishment. If only Bernie was a bit more like Trump that could have happened to the D side too.

    37. Re:Trump is the future by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Originally I chose it as a joke.

      I never really thought I'd turn so cynic that it was actually apt. But what can I say, it's 10ish years later and here I am. At some point, all you have left is wanting to see the world burn, for it does not deserve not to.

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    38. Re:Trump is the future by Cederic · · Score: 1

      make ending rape culture a goal - and that includes ensuring every rapist gets the punishment he deserves and actually BAN victim blaming as an attempted defense in court.

      The only rape culture in the US is in the prison system. It's good that you support ending this atrocity, but I'm confused that you've mentioned it when describing 'the war on women'.

      Asking a rape victim (or claimed rape victim) challenging questions is not victim blaming, it's justice. But I guess you don't want justice.

    39. Re:Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >The only rape culture in the US is in the prison system

      Guess you don't read much do you ?
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/11...
      Those are just the top-two links on a simple google search. Rape culture is the way society constantly tries to excuse rapists.

      >It's good that you support ending this atrocity,
      Oh, you do have sane thoughts sometimes.

      >but I'm confused that you've mentioned it when describing 'the war on women'.
      What men experience in prison - is the entire WORLD if your'e a woman.

      >Asking a rape victim (or claimed rape victim) challenging questions is not victim blaming
      "Were you drinking ?"
      "What were you wearing ?"
      And similar are not challenging questions and they are NEVER relevant to a rape case. If the girl was drunk that CONFIRMS guilt on the accused's part (so if the law was followed there is no way a sane defence attorney would ever ask that question anyway - that they do, that alone proves rape culture). Even if she showed up naked that does NOT constitute consent. Those questions are the epitomy of victim blaming.
      Here is the only question you can ask a rape victim that is relevant to a trial: "Did you say you wanted it to happen ?" You can ask related questions to test whether the victim is lying (unlikely) but that's it. It's the only thing that has ANY legal relevance to the trial. NOTHING the victim could POSSIBLY do is relevant to the defense. Even if a girl is giving somebody a blowjob it's STILL rape to penetrate her unless she consents to being penetrated. If she says "only with a condom" and you stick it in without one - that's rape because she did NOT consent to sex without it.

      >But I guess you don't want justice.
      At MOST 1 in 8 rapes are ever reported, and the conviction rape is unbelievably low. So it's unlikely more than one in 20 rapists ever get punished. Justice is exactly what I DO want. Rape culture is why we can't get it.

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    40. Re:Trump is the future by Cederic · · Score: 1

      The raw statistics do not back up your fearmongering. Women do not suffer anywhere near the rate of rape suffered by men in US prisons, and the supposed rape culture is a myth espoused by liars with an agenda.

      Sounds like you're one of them.

    41. Re: Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Saying it does not make it so.

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    42. Re:Trump is the future by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Frankly, if you want to see modern rape culture, just look at India, or certain middle eastern countries, that is what rape culture looks like. What we have is over-sensitive people who want to control everything and don't understand that there is such a thing as consensual sex.

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    43. Re:Trump is the future by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      support paid family leave

      What? What are you even talking about?

      childcare assistance

      Because it should be a company's problem that you had a kid, not your choice that you make knowing what the costs will be? Are we adults, or is the state our nanny?

      guaranteed maternity leave

      Get a real job, and it is part of the benefits, work at McDonalds, and they will just replace you. It is really telling that you aren't pushing for parental leave, but only maternity leave.

      promise to leave abortion rights untouched and fight AGAINST state governments that try to restrict it,

      Because we should keep legalized murder around, it is so effective in controlling all the issues in the inner cities. Perhaps we should even expand it to be until 18 years of age, and give the man a say in it too.

      stick to the small government thing enough to get the fuck out of women's wombs entirely in fact

      And

      and stop fighting against letting women have ready access to birth control

      Are entirely opposite points of view, and you don't even realize it do you? NO ONE has tried to stop women from having access to birth control, many people however feel that they shouldn't have to pay for your promiscuous lifestyle, that it should be your damn problem to buy contraceptives.

      make ending rape culture a goal

      Because this totally exists in the US...you want rape culture, look at India, the US doesn't have a rape culture except in the minds of small minded people.

      and that includes ensuring every rapist gets the punishment he deserves and actually BAN victim blaming as an attempted defense in court.

      So, you want to interfere in people's fair trials to insure that every ACCUSED rapist is punished and that anyone accused of rape isn't allowed to defend themselves, even from false accusations. I see, you just hate men :)

      You really should clean up your attitude, your bigotry is showing.

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    44. Re:Trump is the future by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Um, you do realize that it was Obama's refusal to compromise that led to the past few government shutdowns don't you?

      Also, the racists I see are on the Democratic Party's side, you don't see too many Republicans focusing on race or sex like the Democrats do most of the time. In fact, the republicans didn't have a whitewashed lineup, while every Democratic candidate for president was white. So who is racist now?

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    45. Re:Trump is the future by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      paid family leave

      - that's a form of payment that can be provided instead of a higher salary. This is completely up to each individual to negotiate with the employer, government has no place in it.

      childcare assistance

      - there shouldn't be any welfare, any form of theft through any form of taxes and redistribution to anybody, including to people with children. You don't have money for your children? Shouldn't have them.

      guaranteed maternity leave

      - same thing. In lieu of higher wages you want to have this? Ok, negotiate with your employer. Government has no place in this.

      promise to leave abortion rights untouched

      - people should be free to abort whatever.

      stop fighting against letting women have ready access to birth control

      - as long as she is buying her medication on her own, it's nobody's business.

    46. Re:Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Every other country on earth has figured out you are wrong about every one of these things, and they are all getting the benefits.

      Sorry pal but your ideology is never going to be perceived as anything but an assault on half the population's ability to pursue happiness and equal opportunity and for the oddest reason, this is going to shock you, you'll never have guessed why: because that's exactly what it ends up being. It doesn't MATTER if that's the INTENTION, the RESULT matters.

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    47. Re:Trump is the future by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Ha ha, every country, ha? Well, we'll see how this goes now, when every country involved in all of this theft and redistribution sees their standard of living crash through the floor because the world is global today and it is possible to avoid having the money you make being stolen. But the point is, people get lower wages because they accept something else as payment.

      Maternity leave is a form of payment, so people who work as permanent workers get lower wages per hour than contractors or consultants do, same with all that crap. People are already paid less because instead of cold hard cash they choose these so called 'benefits'.

    48. Re:Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >Maternity leave is a form of payment,

      That's not what is meant by these leave things. Of course it means gettiing paid less, and unused leave is paid back to you when you resign, this is not even remotely related to where the issue is. The issue is about having it written into law that no employer can DENY this leave. You should not have to face the risk of being fired for getting pregnant.
      And making it legally guaranteed that EVERY worker in the country gets at least 14 days of paid leave a year which companies are not allowed to withhold (and can be fined if an excessive amount is not taken to prevent coercion) increases the productivity of the entire workforce by several times more than what is lost to the holidays (because non-burned out people work harder).

      This has been a standard labour law in every free nation except yours for nearly a century, if it was going to cause a collapse it would have done so by now. It hasn't, it made all those countries a lot RICHER than they would otherwise have been - because fuckall any libertarian or Austrian economist says has ever been remotely connected to reality.
      And there is no theft involved, the branding of maintaining society as "theft" is a lie only your fellow idiots believe, smart people can figure out that all the advantages of living in civilized society cost money, and that paying your fair share is the only way you have any right to those advantages and that the wealthier you are the greater the degree to which you take advantage of them, thus the greater the burden of upkeep on you becomes.

      We know that it is simply a FACT that NEVER in all of history has a moderate increase in minimum wage led to joblosses - the general effect on employment is always nett-zero with rare occasions where it causes a slight INCREASE. Empirical facts is what you people lack and what makes all your ideas nothing but cultistic pseudoscience.

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    49. Re:Trump is the future by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      no employer can DENY this leave.

      - and that is the WRONG position, it is between the employer and the employee to negotiate it. An employer may as well choose to provide this particular perk in order to be more competitive if good employees want this perk. There is nothing wrong at all between 2 parties negotiating or an employer deciding to pro-actively include it into the contract to attract more or higher quality people.

      The problem is exactly as you mentioned it that government gets into it and can prevent contracts from happening where employer does not see any benefit for his company to provide these benefits. It should be left up to individuals (employers and employees) to provide it and to choose to work with it or without it. Government doing this is a tax, every tax is an additional cost of running a business and every new cost brings up the question of cost benefit, where in a system that is taxed too much the employers do something else. They hire few people, they outsource / offshore, they move.

      I am currently hiring a few more people, but I am hiring them in a country where I have an office that I set up specifically to reduce government interference with my business. I refuse to hire people where my costs are artificially increased by the coercion/oppression of government. This automatically makes people in the countries where I used to hire less productive, because they do not participate in my economy.

      - I am not an American, I lived there for some time, I lived in Canada, I lived in Germany and a few other places. I have a few employees in those countries, but the vast majority of my employees are where the government cannot force me to do things I do not want to do at all. If a person working for me asks for a leave, they get a leave, but that's my decision based on the situation, so far worked out pretty well, nobody complained.

      However my business is my private property and I will operate it the way I want to operate it, not how some oppressive political system wants to force me to buy votes at my expense.

      paying your fair share

      - fuck you, go fuck yourself, you piece of shit with your fucking piece of shit slogans. Any time a piece of shit tells me about a 'fair share' I know what a thieving piece of shit I am dealing with.

      As to minimum wage, most of my employees are below the so called 'minimum wage' set in countries where I no longer hire.

    50. Re: Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Wow. What a massively long winded rant ? You could have just said "I am a rentseeking, freeloading dickhead who deserves to die a brutal death"

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    51. Re: Trump is the future by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Everything that you deserve is coming to you, asswipe.

    52. Re: Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      By your own admission, you think people who are not in a strong negotiating position don't deserve to be able to take a little break at least once a year, if they get pregnant they don't deserve to know they will have a job to come back to in order to feed their child.

      Hell even the bloody people who CONCEIVED of the ideas you push knew that was both idiotic and brutal. That's why Hayek for example was a strong advocate of a universal basic income because, to quote him: unless there is a floor price on the labour market, the labour market can NEVER be a free market.

      Without a floor price, without some things being non-negotiable - all labour markets can ONLY turn into slavemarkets - it is the only logical outcome. By your own admission - you actively avoid treating people fairly, you don't BUY their labour at a fair price - hell you don't even pay the legal minimum wage which is in most countries about half a fair wage for a full third of somebody's adult LIFE - and I'm prepared to bet you don't limit yourself to that third either. No way do you adamantly insist your workers keep an 8 hour day and if you really need them to work more pay them proper overtime rates commensurate with the fact that they are sacrificing things that matter infinitely more than your bottom line - like seeing their familes. No you steal their lives by exploiting their desperation and lack of options. People like you are the reason the soviet union ever existed. The blood of all of Stalin's victims are on YOUR hands - without people like you, communist revolutions would never have happened. Those who sell labour - are literally selling you the most precious thing they, or you, can ever have. Their time alive. The one thing nobody can ever get back once it's lost. You can make back lost money. You can heal broken bones. You can even heal a broken heart... but time lost, is lost forever, and we really don't get very much of it - certainly not enough to sell the little we have cheaply. And nobody would, unless the risk of selling high was having less time. Nobody would work for an unfair wage unless the alternative was starving. That's not free labour. That's slavery.
      Nobody goes on a revolution against people who are not mistreating them.

      People like you CAUSED all that bloodshed, created the only kind of conditions where people would read Marx's reasoning and then IGNORE his please to use only democratic means to change things - and choose bloody revolution instead, installing dictators as revolutions usually do.

      Worker's rights exist, to keep people like you from creating the kind of conditions that inevitably boil over into revolutions like that. They exist to keep you in your selfish, arrogant, rentseeking, expoitation from causing enough misery that people become ready to sacrifice their lives - if they can just kill you. Because THAT is what your reasoning ALWAYS ends up leading to. Sooner or later.
      When you coerce people into horrible working conditions which they have no choice but to reject unless they want to starve too much... sooner or later, they turn on you and they tend to go overboard.
      Napoleon said "Religion is the only reason the poor don't kill the rich". What happened in the Russian revolution - that's what happens when the poor are finally pushed far enough to lose their religion, or just plain start ignoring it.

      Now as it happens, and to get back on topic, the specific labour laws being discussed are ones which - when absent, harm women far more than men. No man has ever been fired because he happened to get pregnant and his boss refused to give him maternity leave - men don't get pregnant. Paid family leave when missing harms men, but it harms women far more because our society still expects them to be primary caregivers. Sweatshop labour and paying less than what's needed to escape poverty punishes not only the workers - but their children. Study after study shows how poverty in childhood causes lifelong health issues and genetic changes which harms many generations - yet you claim

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    53. Re: Trump is the future by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      don't deserve to be able to take a little break at least once a year

      - nobody deserves anything unless they pay for it one way or another and I am not a charity to give you anything for free. However people working for me take breaks, we negotiate.

      if they get pregnant they don't deserve to know they will have a job to come back to in order to feed their child

      - I could not care less what you think somebody deserves or doesn't, certainly nobody deserves to have anything from me for free. Again, I can absolutely allow a good worker to come back, why not? They cannot expect it because of any government, it's between them and myself.

      I am not Hayek and I conceive my ideas without any help.

      Without a floor price, without some things being non-negotiable

      - nothing is 'non-negotiable. As to floor prices - that's pure centrally planned bullshit propaganda designed to prevent markets from figuring out ways to compete with the established businesses on price and other qualifiers of their service.

      A service or a product absolutely can go down in price, that's the entire purpose of the economy, to make things cheaper, faster, better, higher quality, with more choices. If there was a non-negotiable floor price on food, this of billions population today would starve. Since prices are going down, salaries will go down as they should as well. Inflation is expansion of money supply and in a fake money environment it is achieved by printing and unsubstantiated borrowing for consumption, this kills the economy, which then has to restart from a much lower standard of living.

      I don't force my people to work overtime, they do it to make more money, I don't pay any form of 'overtime', I pay per hour, on the hour. Don't like it? Fuck off, find a different employer.

      The blood of all of Stalin's victims are on YOUR hands

      - ha ha ha ha!!!! Fuck off, the blood of Stalin's victims are on your greedy little, worthless hands, the hands that are constantly looking for a wallet in another guy's pocket.

      .. but time lost, is lost forever,

      - I don't own people who work for me, they are there on their own volition, making hundreds of percentages more than the counterparts in their country. Until you hired a person and paid them a salary allowing them to actually fucking live, go fuck yourself, you moralizing asswipe!

      When you coerce people into horrible working conditions which they have no choice but to reject unless they want to starve too much...

      - ha ha ha ha, that's right, they work for me because I pay better than the competition, or they can start their own business, whatever. Everybody has a choice, they can absolutely take a different job and it will pay less or maybe not. Every person in this world makes choices every fucking day, you patronizing piece of shit.

      "Religion is the only reason the poor don't kill the rich

      - I think today that would be reality TV actually. But like I said, the world is global. It is not an impossible problem to move production somewhere where an effort into creating a fucking job is actually appreciate, you dumbfuck.

      yet you claim you have a RIGHT to PERPETUATE that poverty ? And what's worse you declare any attempt by the non-sociopaths in society to alleviate that a little "stealing" ?

      - HA! It is stealing. You think forcing an employer to take a hit to the bottom line for whatever reason is not stealing? You motherfucker! I am so happy that the world is global and I don't have to create jobs around your sorry ass, people who work for me compete to work for me and do whatever it takes to get to work for me because they know it is better than so many other things they could be doing.

      I absolutely flatl

    54. Re: Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >Until you hired a person and paid them a salary allowing them to actually fucking live, go fuck yourself, you moralizing asswipe!
      I do - and I pay fair wages. My cleaning lady earns roughly 6 times the minimum wage. I practise what I preach.

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    55. Re: Trump is the future by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, I guess she can run a family on that, ha? How many hours a day does she do for you, 4.. a week?

      She takes a vacation, you pay her? She gets pregnant, you are going to hire her back after a year of somebody else working for you? You are going to have 2 cleaning ladies cleaning after your dirty ass?

      Yeah yeah, preach it.

    56. Re: Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >Yeah, well, I guess she can run a family on that, ha?
      Not only CAN she do so, she does, and I subsidized her children's school fees so they can be in a better school. That doesn't count as part of her income either (meaning I don't get to claim it as a business expense because I don't write it on her payslip). That's just me being a decent human being,

      >How many hours a day does she do for you, 4.. a week?
      I pay her a monthly salary, not an hourly one. I don't care if she works 1 hour a month - as long as things are clean, her job is done, smart bosses let people go home when they've done their job for the day. Smart bosses don't punish people for being more efficient workers - they reward them by not making them sit and try to look busy till 5.

      >She takes a vacation, you pay her?
      Yes, I give her a long vacation every year, and she gets full pay for the month when she does.

      >She gets pregnant, you are going to hire her back after a year of somebody else working for you?
      I did exactly that. When she got pregnant, I got a temp in - through an agency so she will have other work after - and when she came back after 3 months, her job was waiting for her. I could have faced jailtime had it not been because it's a crime to fire somebody over getting pregnant, it's sexist in the extreme. But it was never an issue since I would never do that anyway.

      If the law requiring you to do what any decent human being would have done ANYWAY puts you out of business - that's a GOOD thing, it opens up the market for a businessman who is actually deserving of the name "human being".

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    57. Re: Trump is the future by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Well then, you are a stupid little cunt, aren't you.
      6 times minimum wage would be what, over 80k (in the USA, federal minimum is 7.25, can be more depending on a state) plus taxes puts her at around 95k plus all those benefits. In Canada that would be what, about 128k plus taxes and benefits, we are talking over 145k. In Germany your 6 times would be 106056euro plus all that the their crap. You are a millionaire at least, to be able to afford a cleaning lady at a salary that, where the amounts let me run an office with 13people in it. Sure sure, whatever.

    58. Re: Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Well I do not live in America and never said 6 times American minimum wage. I considee my countries minimum wage too low. Studies have proven that to have any chance of ever escaping poverty somebody here needs to earn r4500 a month at least. Minimum wage for cleaners is r750. I pay r4500 and increase it by r100 per year.

      That said it definitely can be done in the USA. There was a whole slew of stories recently on /. About an American company that adjusted salaries so nobody earned less than 70k. Like me that guy based the figure on studies of minimum income required to improve your quality of life. There was also a follow up showing his company profits quadrupled after doing that.
      Its an old business lesson only the smart people learn: to be the richest company you need to be the one that pays the most. Henry Ford proved it in the past as well. Its simple economics. Pay your people more than anybody else gets and they do not strike. They do not complain. They become your best customers and they give you tons of free marketing by telling their friends and family what a great boss you are - encouraging those people to buy from you and tell their friends in turn. A boss who pays best will get a large chunk of it back in new business he otherwise would never have had.

      But here is the other side of the coin. There are more slaves in the world right now than the total ever transported in the transatlantic slave trade. 70% off all chocolate are made from beans picked by children kidnapped and forced to work themselves to death. Nearly all the world's granite is mined by forced labour. I could go on and on.
      Everywhere that strong labour laws are not in place and not enforced that is what happens. Some of histories most brutal slaveholders were key figures in the very idea of individual liberty.
      Frankly I have no doubt that if you could get away with it you would be one too. In fact I fear telling you this may inspire you to relocate to one of those countries in order to do so.
      People like you do that if we let them. Thats why we need laws against people like you.
      You want gratitude for giving jobs ? Fuck you. Gratitude is reserved for things you do to benefit only somebody else. Things you do to benefit yourself do not qualify even if you think somebody else also benefits - because that is not the motovation.
      Gratitude is for gifts and charity. It is for when you harm yourself to help others. Using others to make yourself richer deserves the rxact opposite of charity.

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    59. Re: Trump is the future by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I that a bloody rupee you are talking about? An Indian giving his or her opinion on the minimum wage in the West is fucking hilarious.

      India is the epitome of off shoring for American, Canadian and many European and other countries, especially in IT. Yeah, yeah, you are hiring people with amounts of money that amount to 66USD.

      SIXTY SIX US DOLLARS that you are paying somebody in a month for cleaning and you will fucking talk about anything here? GO FUCK YOURSELF. Even my guys in Ukraine make 10-20 times as much, though of-course they are DEVELOPERS.

      You think you can run a factory floor or an IT or any other serious company and just let people come and go willy nilly? A fucking jesus christ on a pogo stick, you let your cleaning lady to go away for 3 months on maternity leave, don't you feel special.

      If your cleaning lady had to learn for 6-12 months to become a useful part of the team, you would be stuck without a cleaning lady for 3 months.

      In short, fuck you, you gigantic, gargantuan piece of stinking shit.

    60. Re: Trump is the future by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Also, FYI, you dickhead, Ford never paid his workers out of any desire to give them more than they deserved, he paid them exactly what he needed to stop turn over of highly trained, conveyor belt workers that he trained in his factories. Of-course he was completely anti-union, so am I.

      Frankly I have no doubt that if you could get away with it you would be one too. In fact I fear telling you this may inspire you to relocate to one of those countries in order to do so.

      - yeah, because slave labour makes for such a 'wonderful' work force in a company producing IT based products and services, slaves do wonders in that area.

      You want gratitude for giving jobs ? Fuck you. Gratitude is reserved for things you do to benefit only somebody else.

      - no, motherfucker, I expect a full day of work for the money I pay, nothing more than that. But you, on the other hand, you are feeling all high and mighty with being moderately well off in a country full of such poverty, that 66 bucks a month makes them lick your boots.

      Your projection is hilarious and obvious. Go die somewhere.

    61. Re: Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      The fact that you thought "India" of all places just proves the extremity of your ignorance. But then you did say "form opinions without help" so I guess your ignorance is willfull.
      India has terrible labour laws and is one of the hotbeds of modern slavery. How did you get India from me championing my country's good labour laws ?

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    62. Re: Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      You dont even have the right country so all your assumptions are laughable. And if you expect a full day of work as opposed to a projecct finished on time you are a fool. You are punishing your best workers for being better fucks sake. Work hours only make sense on an assembly line where one person cannot produce faster than the line. It makes no sense for knowledge work where no two people will ever produce at the same rate.

      But you were the one declaring that you are owed gratitude for creating jobs.

      Oh and if you are anti-union then that makes you a hypocrite in the extreme. You claim to be about free contract but you oppose workers making free contracts with each other for collective bargaining. So you really only want free contracts when you have the stronger negotiating position so you can enforce your terms. You cannot bear the thought of signing free contracts with people who actually negotiate with you as equals and can set *their* terms as well. You dont care about freedom of contract. You want freedom to exploit and so you oppose anything that intrudes on that whether its labour laws or workers choosing to bargain collectively. Businesses sign cooperation agreements all the time. All over the world there are buyers clubs where consumers band together to negotiate better prices from retailers. A worker is a business that sells labour to other businesses. Its also the only type of business most people can have so it is the absolute most important one in the economy. The economy does not exist to make anybody rich. That it can is a side effect. The entire point of having an economy is to feed the population. So if the most common business is not profitable the entire economy is a failure.
      A union is just a bunch of those small businesses that decided to merge into a cooperation (like a corporation but employee owned). In every sphere of tge economy there is value in mergers and forming corporations. Yet you oppose this one kind ? You oppose only the kind that reduces your capacity to exploit ? For you to claim you believe in freedom of contract after admitting that is laughable. The lie is exposed. The hipocracy revealed.

      At least be honest with yourself. Oh and the person who is worth less than minimum.wage does not exist but if he did he would be the boss who avoids paying it.

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  29. [Yawn] by PPH · · Score: 2

    Third world problems.

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  30. Re:This is the future Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't think of a single theocratic country that is run by women...

    True, but theocracy has a few downsides as well.

  31. But we must respect them because they're different by Trogre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Women are property with no rights, gays should be stoned to death, people who leave the faith are executed by family members. This is what life is like in Iran since the Islamists took over. This is what Islamists want for the world.

    But for some reason you gullible westerners would rather get outraged at keeping boys out of girls toilets. You almost deserve it.

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  32. Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... We carried out this plan in 2013 with Facebook ...

    It's called the Streisand effect. Facebook will also allow those dissenters to wage a campaign of civil disobedience, when the campaign gathers sufficient support. That may also cause Iran's ban on Facebook to actually be enforced by technological means.

  33. Re:This is the future Republicans... by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

    He is for torturing the family members of suspected terrorists.

  34. Horray. Yay. Wonderful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh sure. THAT we don't bomb, Saudis stoning them we don't bomb, but let a couple of women go to university and all of Iraq must be airstriked to the stone-age!

  35. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by axewolf · · Score: 0

    Why would you say that is what "Islamists" want for the world? Because the news told you?

    Your myopic view is worthless.

    People below a certain class are all considered "property with no rights" (according to the simplistic definition you imply) in all present societies (that I am aware of).

    Your entire point seems built on the assumption that somehow things are fundamentally different on the "Islamist" world (whatever that word means).
    Can you support this?

    I doubt it. "Women are property with no rights, gays should be stoned to death, people who leave the faith are executed by family members". It is exceedingly easy to find parallels for these in western society. Just because the penalty is abstracted beyond obvious death doesn't mean its just as bad, so to speak.

    IF what you claim is true, all that can be said of it is that "Islamist" nations people are executed by the community, and in the west people are left by the community to execute themselves.

  36. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by axewolf · · Score: 1

    doesn't mean its *NOT* just as bad*

  37. Re:This is the future Republicans... by meerling · · Score: 1

    Nope, Pleasantville is WAY too liberal for them.
    I wish I was joking. :(

  38. Re:don't wear that! no high heels, skirts, long ha by meerling · · Score: 1

    You're going off topic here. This has nothing to do with lgbt or any of that. In fact, I believe I've seen something saying that they are jailed or executed in Iran, but that isn't the subject. It's the Iranian government fining or arresting people for posting pictures of women without head coverings.
    Try to stay on subject, and not blasting out your own personal political rants on other topics. It's not a 'feminism' thread, it's a 'Iran is Violating Human Rights of Women' thread.

  39. Lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck Iran, fuck islam, & fuck these stupid ass muslims with their bitch ass "rules"

  40. Re:This is the future Republicans... by currently_awake · · Score: 0

    He also publicly said that women who get abortions should be punished.

  41. Can someone point to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a Muslim led country that has western values in terms of how it treats women and non-Muslims?

    1. Re:Can someone point to... by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Irrational belief is often not compatible with classical liberal perspectives.. Good luck finding one.

    2. Re:Can someone point to... by abies · · Score: 1

      USA is lead by Obama, isn't it?
      Seriously, Turkey is reasonably western and always was. Yes, it is pretty dim if you look at it from hippie western point of view, but it is a star of personal freedom compared to most other Muslim countries. At least it was since https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., it seems to be degrading in few last years from what I have heard.

    3. Re:Can someone point to... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Turkey, Indonesia, India, Pakistan... actually MOST countries with Muslim majorities have fairly good track records on human rights (at least, no worst than America). The only ones where this kind of terrible shit happens is where theocrats got themselves made government, when theocrats make the law it is always only a matter of time before only the crazy theocrats get to make the laws.

      And historically - everytime theocrats got into power in the Christian west, the outcome was exactly the same. How short our memories are that we think it's a particularly Islamic syndrome, nah, it's just been a while since anybody actually let Christian theocrats have real power, when they did - they were just as bad and if they were to gain it tomorrow they would be just as bad again.

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    4. Re:Can someone point to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. The above countries don't have a good record on human rights, and India is not a Muzzie majority country

  42. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Why would you say that is what "Islamists" want for the world? Because the news told you?

    No, because the leaders of those savage countries have said it. Go look it up for yourself.

    Your myopic view is worthless.

    Yes it is. Again, go find out about that prison for the mind for yourself.

    People below a certain class are all considered "property with no rights" (according to the simplistic definition you imply) in all present societies (that I am aware of).

    No, they aren't. They really aren't.

    I doubt it. "Women are property with no rights, gays should be stoned to death, people who leave the faith are executed by family members". It is exceedingly easy to find parallels for these in western society. Just because the penalty is abstracted beyond obvious death doesn't mean its just as bad, so to speak.

    What the hell are you smoking? Parallels in western society? That crap is in their law. In. Their. Law.

    IF what you claim is true, all that can be said of it is that "Islamist" nations people are executed by the community, and in the west people are left by the community to execute themselves.

    Nice stretch there. Wait until your daughter is forced into a burqha, the girl down the street is flogged for daring to ask to attend school and bacon is off the menu in your country and then tell me again how terrible western society was in 2016.

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  43. Islam, we'd like to introduce you to Suffragettes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your days are numbered.

    Wait til the women start 'Bobbit'ing the men. Stupid radical islamic fucktards, keep this up and people around you are going to R E B E L against your idiotic rules and practices. Wait til you've been emasculated and placed in the stockades for anyone that wants to, can come by and shove 2x4s up your asses sans lube.

  44. European Women Are Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the trash that is being imported into europe and and if you even complain about it, you are the bad guy. Islam is a disgusting joke and so is the governments of the european countries importing that shit in.

  45. ATTENTION LIBERALS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what an actual war on women looks like.

  46. Re: This is the future Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Insulting a woman doesn't make you a woman hater.

    You're a fucking moron. Not because I hate men, but because you are.

  47. Re:This is the future Republicans... by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

    Until he didn't...

    Trump has this nifty habit of changing direction, sometimes 180 degrees, depending on the audience.

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  48. Walk a mile in my caligae by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Funny

    International, US survey, or Nautical? Statute? Roman, Italian, or Chinese?

    African, or European? No, wait... that's swallows.

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    1. Re: Walk a mile in my caligae by nystire · · Score: 1

      Who swallow?

    2. Re: Walk a mile in my caligae by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yer mom!

  49. Let's all nuke Iran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step 1) Elect Trump

  50. Well, but then there's reality by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    I guarantee you that, all other things being equal, when men are making the decisions, the wearing of high heels as compared to flats, long hair as opposed to short, skirt and/or dress as opposed to pants, hosiery as opposed to no hosiery, makeup as opposed to no makeup, clear skin as opposed to visible tattoos... those things will in general result in more immediate hiring, faster career advancement, more pay, and better customer relations. As men's taste's change, the sorts of things one might accurately list will mutate slowly, but you'll always be able to fill it various do / don't items based on the current set of men's tastes. Because sexual attraction is a thing, and sexual plumage is a thing, and trying to separate those things from everything (anything) else is a hopeless undertaking.

    So here in the USA, while no one (okay, not a lot of someones, relatively speaking) is forcing a female to dress that way, that's not the same thing at all as there being no pressure (or inclination) to dress that way.

    No one says you have to answer when opportunity knocks. No one is likely to say anything. Opportunity just goes away quietly. And there is no law that can prevent this, nor will there be, until we can read minds. And if / when that happens, other problems will loom so large as to make this one seem utterly insignificant.

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  51. Ah, rights by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    I am not at all in favor of Iran's culture.

    However, the fact is that "rights" are those local things (generally nationally local) that someone is willing to put force behind to ensure. They are not some inherent, holy set of things that descend with banners waving and gilded choirs singing, no matter what anyone tries to tell you or wants to think.

    Further to that, national borders put an extremely hard stop between what one set of willing enforcers will defend, and what other sets of willing enforcers will defend.

    When said levels of defense are limited to articles in foreign press and hand-waving on Internet discussion forums, the odds of changing anyone's mind about any of this are approximately equal to the effects of contrary opinions across a Democrat / Republican divide. Which is to say, scarce to none.

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  52. You're a precious drama queen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no similarities to Hitler and Trump whatsoever.

    You think anybody who refuses to give you free college and medical care as Hitler.

    What color are your petals?

    1. Re: You're a precious drama queen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Galvanized over hate is a big similarity to their strategies

    2. Re: You're a precious drama queen by ichthus · · Score: 1

      Political disagreement is not hate.
      Lazily calling every stance you disagree with, but are incapable of arguing against "hate" is stupidity, though.

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    3. Re: You're a precious drama queen by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Obviously, it you disagree with me, it's because you hate me! (I'm pretty sure my teenage daughter uses that same logic...)

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  53. We hand over sweaters or jackets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iran should give these women a few scarves instead of arresting them. If the scarves go with the shoes, the women may wear them.

  54. Repressing half the population by fyngyrz · · Score: 1, Troll

    If a female goes outside in the USA (and many other places) without a top on, you'll get to see repression of an exactly similar nature.

    Probably shouldn't be feeling all that superior to Iran, really.

    Just a matter of degree.

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    1. Re:Repressing half the population by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      If a female goes outside in the USA (and many other places) without a top on, you'll get to see repression of an exactly similar nature.

      Probably shouldn't be feeling all that superior to Iran, really.

      Just a matter of degree.

      It may be frowned upon but in a lot of the US it's not illegal. I read this thing about a woman who goes around topless for the most part and apart from dodgy looks its mostly fine. I'm not going to search for it because I'm at work and my internet history is probably already dodgy enough. They certainly don't go around arresting women who have topless photos online though.

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    2. Re:Repressing half the population by dwye · · Score: 1

      Actually, in most of the USA it is illegal, just as is not coming to a complete stop before proceeding through a stop sign or dumping your trash in a non-approved manner or location. The woman that you read about was either in Canada, or her locale's equivalent of the Kode What'sHisName on Sister Wives, who the local police decided wasn't worth the bother of dealing with so long as it doesn't interfere with traffic.

  55. Oh, no, can't have that by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Yes, but also in Manhattan, there's this.

    And of course there's that whole "can't show up without your ladyparts / manparts covered" feature of our society as well. And this "you have have sex for free, but you can't sell it" bit. And the "you can drink your liver into oblivion, but you can't smoke pot" thing. And so on.

    We're plenty good at oppressing our citizens. But, just like Islamists, we have... "reasons." So it's okay.

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    1. Re:Oh, no, can't have that by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      You are equating getting a ticket for indecent exposure with being arrested by religious police who are allowed to beat people with sticks in public - especially misbehaving women. There are differences.

  56. Oh dear! What Iran is doing to these women! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    The Sunnis are aghast!

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    1. Re:Oh dear! What Iran is doing to these women! by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Are you saying Iran is acting like Shitte?

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    2. Re:Oh dear! What Iran is doing to these women! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      No, I'm saying we use strange metrics when picking friends and enemies. Actually that's not true. The Saudis have been very accommodating over the last few months, so I can understand why nobody wants to rock that boat (First rule about Yemen is... you know the rest). All this religious stuff and anguish over the women can take a back seat under certain circumstances. Please, this is bullshit. It's regular old provocation.

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  57. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    No, we must "respect" them because they helped us destroy Russia's oil market (and their little Venezuela, too!). Now, let's see how long their gold lasts... BWAAAAHAHAHA...

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  58. Error in summary by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

    He added, "We carried out this plan in 1013 with Facebook"

    FTFY.

  59. Here's the beef by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Oppression of the adult, informed individual is bad. If it's wrong, it's wrong. You don't get a pass because you're not quite as much of an asshole about it. Nor if there are other areas where you are just as bad, or worse.

    The US exerts oppressive coercion - which is another way to say violence - across a long list of issues that bear upon informed personal and consensual choice. Some of them with huge official penalties, some with less. Any that have legal consequences echo strongly into other parts of life, such as employment, acceptability as a tenant, where you can go to school (and who you have to tell), that sort of thing.

    Insofar as there is a defensible intellectual path for where the government should step in, it always comes down quite precisely to informed, personal or consensual choice. Only a legal system that actually has that straightened out has any leg to stand on when it comes to issues like these (and that would not be the USA.) As to whether a country with that well in hand (I'm not aware of any, someone might be so kind as to point it / them out if such exists at this point in time) has any right to impose that upon another country... that's a very nasty can of worms. Best you can do without effectively inviting them to change your own rules and regulations is to restrict trade, tourism and immigration.

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    1. Re:Here's the beef by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      As to whether a country with that well in hand ... has any right to impose that upon another country... that's a very nasty can of worms. Best you can do without effectively inviting them to change your own rules and regulations is to restrict trade, tourism and immigration.

      "Imposing" your own rules on another country (government) would be one thing, but the individuals living in that country have their own rights regardless of what their government thinks, and there is no moral dilemma when it comes to supporting others in their self-defense. You can easily do better than restricting trade and tourism, while preventing immigration away from oppressive regimes would be actively harmful. Instead, stand ready to protect those who choose to defend themselves, and offer safe passage and unrestricted immigration to an area outside the regime's influence for those willing to leave.

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  60. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by axewolf · · Score: 1

    Have you missed the reports of the total surveillance state? Have you not bothered to imagine the possible uses of this data? Have you not bothered to draw any judgements accordingly?
    Do you not see the racial and economic discrimination in the justice system?
    Do you not see the media inundating our children with violence and sexuality?
    What does the law matter? Life is a function of society and law is but a subset. One civilization may manifest directives in law, another may manifest them in culture, yet the directives may be very similar if not fundamentally identical.

    Perhaps you live comfortably and close your eyes to tyranny, but others are still suffering without hope.

    The great failure of the middle class is in their proclivity for assumption about the lives of others. They have the resources to find out the unseen the truth, yet do not use them. They have the experience to feel the truth, yet choose to forget it. And so all hope for freedom dies in their hands unheeded.

    Most people have no hope to truly contribute to society, to make anything original or innovative. They have no opportunity because they are not nurtured with resources and discipline. The lower class receives only discipline, and the middle class receives only resources. A similar scheme is found everywhere. Within the fundamentals, the discipline enforced by "islamists" and the west is the same: unconstructive pruning of behavior to keep the commoners in line with the interests of their rulers.

  61. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, man! That was heavy! Are you reading Mao or Marx? Who's your literary influence? It's very dramatic. A little cliched and dated, but hey, retro is okay...

  62. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by axewolf · · Score: 1

    "I don't want to be downmodded for my animalistic defense display but NANANANA you're wrong *stomps on ground and throws things*"

  63. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot... a daughter who MARRIES a man that her FATHER DISAPPROVES of shall be MURDERED by her FATHER.
    A daughter who has SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE shall be MURDERED by her FATHER.
    Initiating or failing to quickly conclude speaking with a WHITE CHRISTIAN is FORBIDDEN.
    Touching a CHRISTIAN or JEW is ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN during RAMADAN as they are UNCLEAN LIKE PIGS.
    Etc.

    FUCK ISLAM.
    FUCK ALL RELIGION.

  64. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somehow, I think it's possible to have a negative opinion of both.

  65. Re:don't wear that! no high heels, skirts, long ha by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

    In fact, Iran is in an odd position. They'd rather that homosexuals get 50% free sex changes.

    Oddly, that's the most progressive policy on the planet next to folks serving life in California. But California is a silly place, not unlike Camelot.

  66. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oh im outraged. i know what you are talking about. its not just what islamists want. its what most muslims sort of would accept, as long as they arent inconvenienced. sort of like how germans turned a blind eye to what hitler did, just to get along. muslims really are a threat, when you combine violent believers, appeasers/co-conspirators like the saudis, and ordinary muslims who feel that apostacy should be punished somehow. very bad religion virus, that.

  67. Before you judge... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you live in the US, when was the last time you saw a woman out and about, without something covering her breasts?

    Don't tell me they're repressive because they make women wear headscarves that men don't have to, while in Amerika we make women wear shirts while men don't have to.

    It's a double-standard with NO OBJECTIVE RATIONALE. The reason we have it is simply this: religion.

    Tell me again how much better and more enlightened Amerika is than Iran?

  68. *sigh* Feel free to wallow in false equivalence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *sigh* Feel free to wallow in false equivalence.

  69. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this country allowed to continue to exist exactly?

  70. The real reason for the head scarf by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    is being scrubbed out of existence and re-reasoned, as it would truly be scoffed at.

    I've looked for links to what I know so if I ever brought it up I had a citation, yet to no avail. My only source is a National Geographic two cartridge VHS set titled ISLAM that I checked out of the library many years ago. The title might be different I just remember that the word ISLAM was in large bold letters, and how I read it's title, (inside ISLAM?)...

    I won't post the story without any available backup source (the cleansing is working). Only that it's worn so the bad angels won't lust after their women, as it had caused a major problem earlier.

  71. It's for the common good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We need to define "common" though. Here, since this is a US election, the common is US citizens. We aren't electing a pope or a UN official. The common does not include people from Syria or Mexico.

    1. Re:It's for the common good. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No, but "common" should include at least the majority of US citizens.

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  72. Re:*sigh* Feel free to wallow in false equivalence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *sigh* feel free to wallow in your hypocrisy and corruption. Luckily for you it has turned to be highly rewarding.

  73. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by phorm · · Score: 1

    "Why would you say that is what "Islamists" want for the world? Because the news told you?"

    Well in my case it's because people I know who escaped and emmigrated as refugees shared with me some of the scary shit that's about in those places. Is that good enough for you, or do you need a signed confession from their president (who is better than the last guy but still scary). Basically if you're not Muslim your life isn't worth 2c. In reality it seems that many Muslims in that situation are such because it's safer to "keep faith", but the hardliners are very dangerous and twisted people.

  74. Law applies to Territory - where is Instagram's? by Elixon · · Score: 2

    "The territorial principle (also territoriality principle) is a principle of public international law under which a sovereign state can prosecute criminal offences that are committed within its borders." [wikipedia]

    I would say that those women committed the picture-crime on US-based servers - no against US law. But the policemen viewing the pictures from Iran committed the immoral thing of viewing uncovered "US-based" pictures in Iran - against Iran law. I say let's sue those indecent Iranian policeman!

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  75. Sigh by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    I thought the Religious Police could no longer arrest people. Was that reversed?

    Perhaps some states could hire those guys to prevent people from entering the 'wrong' bathroom...

  76. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    "Women are property with no rights, gays should be stoned to death, people who leave the faith are executed by family members". It is exceedingly easy to find parallels for these in western society.

    Where are the parallels for stoning gays and family executions? We have almost universal equal rights for all and it's only getting more so (despite some individuals opposition)

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  77. Backwards Country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you just love these backwards countries. I am sure the majority people of these countries would just love it if they could dress how they like and sit on the sidewalk drinking coffee, listening to music, chatting with friends all in a peaceful place without fear of suicide bombs and informants (Ohhhh Look at that female, she is not wearing a scarf, quick call the fun police to arrest her). If only, these megalomaniacs could see the benefits of allowing their country to prosper and compete in the free world instead of living in stone age times and values. People are all the same and should be treated as such. Color of skin, race,creed, disabilities, religion should not have any detrimental value. We are all born the same way, we all eat the same way, we all shit the same way and we all die. No one is different. What makes me sad is that in the name of God who is shown by ALL religions to be peaceful and loving, then why do people believe that you have to kill and torture someone of a different faith in the name of God

  78. www.prophetofdoom.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But... but... Islam is a race!
    Oh, wait...

    No, Islam is a religion...

    No, it's actually a totalitarian political ideology, masquerading as a 'religion'.

  79. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Why would you say that is what "Islamists" want for the world?

    It's what Muslims want for the world. Sharia law as set down in the Qur'an and Hadiths.

  80. Unlike in Freedomerica by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Here, women are totally free to control their hair



    ...just not their own reproductive organs. On that point, US conservatives and Islamic Courts are in total agreement.

    1. Re:Unlike in Freedomerica by judoguy · · Score: 1

      Here, women are totally free to control their hair ...just not their own reproductive organs. On that point, US conservatives and Islamic Courts are in total agreement.

      What the fuck are you talking about? What woman in America can't "control" her reproductive organs? Oh, you mean abortion. I'm rabidly pro-choice, more than you I bet, but saying stupid stuff just clouds, not clarifies.

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    2. Re:Unlike in Freedomerica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when can women not control their own reproductive organs in the US? Is there something magical about the geography that makes a woman's reproductive organs take on a life of their own?

    3. Re:Unlike in Freedomerica by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Lots of US right-wingers appear to want to restrict or ban access to contraception. There was the case where Hobby Lobby argued that it should be able to exclude contraception from its medical coverage of employees (another good reason to separate medical insurance from employment).

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  81. The Hijab is Complicated by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    I know some Muslim women - including some from Iran - at my work. They choose to wear the Hijab here in the states, even though the US is their home. I've asked some of them about it and they've been open about their thoughts on the matter. One thing that surprised me to learn is that in Iran there is no hard set rule of "you must wear the hijab if you are at least X years old" or anything of the sort - aside from a loose guideline of 18. The Iranian I speak with most often (I share an office with her) decided to start wearing a Hijab around age 12.

    More to the point though, those that wear it see it as an important part of their faith - being humble in front of Allah. Some Christians wear a cross, some Jews wear a Yarmulke, some Muslims wear a Hijab. I've also noticed that a lot of Hijabs are being worn a bit further back on the top of the head, allowing the women to show some of their hair on purpose.

    Iran is certainly an alien place to Americans but the Hijab is not necessarily a terrible thing.

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    1. Re:The Hijab is Complicated by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      being humble in front of Allah

      How many of these women wear a hijab and still wear makeup? I see it all the time. Sure doesn't sound like something that someone yearning for humility would subscribe to.

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  82. shave your heads in protest by Stonefish · · Score: 1

    Mock the law, women in Iran and around the world should shave their heads in protest. If you're in a western country wear an armband so that people know why.

    1. Re:shave your heads in protest by friesofdoom · · Score: 1

      LOL. Shaving your head while living in a non-Muslim/westernized state would achieve exactly one thing: Making you look like a skinhead. If you think those desert people give one flying rats ass about you shaving your head, you have another thing coming! This is probably the most naive thing I've read on /. in a long time Hahahaha!

  83. Re: This is the future Republicans... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    >Insulting a woman doesn't make you a woman hater.

    If the insult is based on an innate experience of womenhood then yes, that's exactly what it makes you.

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  84. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    Actually - that sounded mostly like Orwell. It could have come straight out of "The theory and practice of oligarchical collectivism" - which in case you were wondering was a book within the book 1984 about what makes autocratic communism fail to be socialism and in fact turn into a complete disaster.

    Actually, you should just read 1984. Then learn that Orwel hated capitalists even MORE than he hated communists, and that he actually fought for the anarcho-socialists in the Spanish revolution - and then read the book again, and you may even understand it.

    The point of 1984 is that what the Soviet Union turned into - was never a consequence of it's economic system, but of the rise of absolute power and the surveillance capabilities to enforce that power. His point was that a capitalist Soviet Union would look IDENTICAL to how the communist one looked.

    He was right about that. And the USA is very rapidly turning into that vision.

    There is just one thing he didn't realize - because he lived in a time when that didn't seem possible anymore - which is that government and corporations would be complicit in the enslavement of man, not one or the other, not fighting each other over power, but the combination of both as an alliance of tyranny. This happened in the early past, the three first corporations to ever exist also had the three biggest armies in the world at the time and actually ruled (as the official governments) more than two thirds of the world between them, with the blessings and support of their home governments. By the 20th century, it looked like corporations would never be THAT powerful again. Today, that exact same pattern is emerging once again.

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  85. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    >for stoning gays

    Never heard of gaybashing ? It is STILL a common practice.

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  86. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

    Women are property with no rights, gays should be stoned to death, people who leave the faith are executed by family members. This is what life is like in Iran since the Islamists took over. This is what Islamists want for the world.

    But for some reason you gullible westerners would rather get outraged at keeping boys out of girls toilets. You almost deserve it.

    Why do you think that people can only be bothered by one thing?

    I agree that treatment of women as property, etc., is horrible. I also think that we should continue trying to improve the treatment of women and minorities (including LGBT, and Muslims) in our own country. Why should I have to pick only one? And, frankly, I think we have much more opportunity and even obligation to address the problems in our own country than to fix the problems in other countries, so if I do have to pick only one, I'll focus my efforts where I have a greater chance of doing some good... and where my effort or lack thereof will directly affect me.

    During the Cold War there appeared to be real reason to be concerned about a foreign entity destroying our nation and remaking us in its own image. There is no fear of that today. At worst the horrors in the Middle East will spill over on us in the form of a few terror attacks (though that seems less of a worry now that the region is so wrapped up in its own internal conflicts), or we'll get some refugees who have a hard time adapting. We can easily absorb both unless we choose to damage ourselves, as we clearly did after 9/11.

  87. Re:Law applies to Territory - where is Instagram's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't hold your breath.

  88. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    >for stoning gays

    Never heard of gaybashing ? It is STILL a common practice.

    I've heard of it as in verbal and even physical abuse sometimes, less and less so as the world becomes more accepting and people stop giving a shit about inconsequential stuff that doesn't affect them. But still it's no where near codified murder in a most particularly brutal method. Yes some people are homophobes and some even go as far as to kill but it's still illegal, punishable by law and not accepted by society on the whole.

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  89. Context is everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iranian strip clubs must be, uh, "interesting"...

  90. Equality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correct! We are entering the era where both woman and man are equal. All the time more examples of women behave as God Almighty of the prophets in the Holy Bible intended from the beginning. We all born naked and there is no shame of it. Adam and Eve were naked until acting against the commandment of God; they tasted the forbidden and suddenly their eyes were opened realizing the truth but it was too late. They got banished the presence of God and that is the state we still live in and humanity got even cursed more since started worshiping man-made god (Jesus). The harmony and equality were gone and their life continued as cursed, which still is the prevailing state of affairs. What is happening already?

    ”Set up road signs; put up guideposts. Take note of the highway,
    the road that you take. Return, Virgin Israel, return to your towns.
    How long will you wander, unfaithful Daughter Israel? The Lord will
    create a new thing on earth - the woman will return to the man.”
    Jeremiah 31:21-22 (NIV)

    Or in another version:

    “Set up signposts, Make landmarks; Set your heart toward the highway, the way in which you went. Turn back, O virgin of Israel, Turn back to these your cities. How long will you gad about, O you backsliding daughter? For the Lord has created a new thing in the earth - a woman shall encompass a man.”
    Jeremiah 31:21-22 (KJV)

    “Virgin Israel” - symbolizes the New Israel - the people who call on the true Name of God.

    “Set up signposts, Make landmarks;”- so that we may no longer be lost or led astray about the truth.

    “A woman shall encompass a man.”-the sign that the promise of God to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be fulfilled at a time when the status of all women is equal with men.

    We can see this happening today through women’s groups around the world who are standing up to claim their rights to be of equal status with men. And now these women under the pressure of the law of Islam are getting out of the box and start breath free. See this interesting deliver:

    “Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children. Do I bring to the moment of birth and not give delivery?” says the LORD. “Do I close up the womb when I bring to delivery?” says your God. “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; rejoice greatly with her, all you who mourn over her.
    Isaiah 66:7-10 NIV

    “Before she goes into labor, she gives birth” - This is not a natural occurrence – this is about a coming event. This is all about the birth of the New Israel, the New People of God.

    “before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son.” - symbolizes the calling of Maestro Evangelista when he was called by God to be His prophet like Moses to reveal His great Name. He was the first to become God’s new people. The firstborn of the New Israel of God!

    “Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment?" - because when all peoples of the world listen to the word of God that God commanded Maestro Evangelista to reveal through the Bible; accept and acknowledge that God has sent him to proclaim; at that moment, we will all be called by God as His people, His New Israel - a new nation of God!

    Did God promise to sent His last prophet like Moses?

    ”I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.”
    Deuteronomy 18:18-19 NIV

    God has said before in Deuteronomy 18:18-19, about the ONE prophet whom He will send like

  91. In public by pftpft · · Score: 0

    I would think that there is a difference between being in a picture on the internet and being "in public". They're not exactly walking around in the streets.

  92. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.

  93. This is what we will be discussing when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This and all the other SJW BS is what the west will be discussing when a mushroom cloud appears over New York or Washington, D.C.

    And don't think it can't (or won't) happen. Its too bloody easy to envision one of the Pakistani nukes 'disappearing' and making it's way via cargo container to the target city.

    The Islamists frankly have a view of both law and culture which simple is incompatible with a western, democratic, libertarian society.

    The quicker we realize this the better. What really saddens me however is that it takes an idiot like Trump to realize this and actually do something about it. Sam Harris is right, beliefs inform your actions, and the extremists are not the problem, the fundamental beliefs of Islam are the problem.

  94. Re:Law applies to Territory - where is Instagram's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your territorial principle quote doesn't say say "a state cannot prosecute offenses that are committed outside its borders."

    Interesting facts:
    The US taxes monies made by US citizens who live outside the country and working outside the country.
    The US applies statutory rape laws to US citizens who are outside the country.

    Your interpretation of the territorial principle is incorrect.

  95. Re:This is the future Republicans... by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

    Which makes sense if you really believe abortion is murder.

  96. "decided to start wearing a Hijab around age x..." by friesofdoom · · Score: 1

    This is what you call 'being indoctrinated into a cult' - it's the same reason that someone converting to Judaism "wants" to cut off some of their penis.

  97. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by axewolf · · Score: 1

    Uh have you missed the "family dysfunction" phenomenon? Pervasive single parenthood? ETC??????

    The real problem is that we have here people with no tolerance for anything different from themselves unless the state tells them to accept it. People who completely define their identity from a media-mandated template. Robots. Machines made of flesh that are incapable of asking meaningful questions because of their constant distraction with simple pleasures.

    What "rights" can such people really have? They have no self-interest, only the illusion of it. All they want is to fit in and they will make a compromise in any category if asked. Just as long is the loss can be assuaged by a flood of meaningless pleasure.

    This is western society.

  98. Re:"decided to start wearing a Hijab around age x. by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Religion is just a popular cult, cult an unpopular religion. What's your point? They all have their rituals. You could argue that the current "atheists" (I use that because they have bastardized the meaning of the word itself) have their own rituals as well.

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  99. These are the people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    President Obama has guaranteed a clear path to nuclear weapons in only a decade, and to whom Putin is selling advanced missiles to defend the associated infrastructure.

    And remember that Obama's own guy, Ben Rhodes, has now bragged they used the stupid gullible liberal journalists at liberal press outlets to mislead the public about this "deal" which was actually with the hardliner theocrats and not with some imaginary moderates.

  100. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope, never heard of it. Can't be THAT common.

  101. Re:But we must respect them because they're differ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It so common that when it happens, it is international news - as opposed to the ten second blurb on the local news every other crime gets. It is also prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

  102. asylum by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    As a good citizen, I feel it is my duty to offer my home as asylum to International models everywhere.