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Saudi Arabian Teen Arrested For Online Videos With American Blogger (theguardian.com)
Mazin Sidahmed and Nicky Woolf, reporting for The Guardian: A male Saudi Arabian teenager has been arrested in Riyadh over a series of online videos of conversations between him and a female Californian streaming-video star that went viral. A Riyadh police spokesperson, Colonel Fawaz Al-Mayman, said the teenager, known online as Abu Sin, was arrested on Sunday for engaging in "unethical behaviour" in videos with Christina Crockett, a popular broadcaster on the conversational live-streaming site YouNow. Abu Sin's real name is not known. "His videos received many comments and many of the commenters of the general public demanded for him to be punished for his actions," Al-Maymann added, according to the Saudi Gazette. The two amassed thousands of fans on the YouNow network, and later on YouTube after videos of the two speaking were uploaded there. The videos featured Abu Sin -- a nickname given to him for his broken teeth -- and Crockett communicating despite their significant language barriers. The popularity of the videos of the two of them surprised Crockett, she told the Guardian in an interview. As a broadcaster on YouNow, she can invite her fans to join her broadcasts on split-screen, which is known as "guesting."
So they had conversation. So what is the problem? It didn't come clear in this post at slashdot.
He talked with a woman! Unclean! Unclean!
Are there any news sources that actually describe the specific "unethical" thing he did? The summary and article don't.
What's the behavior he is guilty of?
Exhibit A why we should get off oil: no more money for that fundamentalist wacko government.
This is the sort of thing that SJW's should be fighting against......instead they decide to focus their efforts on restricting speech in some of the most liberal places on Earth.
If you post as Anonymous Coward, don't expect a reply.
I'm confused, even after reading the article. Nowhere does it mention what law was broken in Saudi Arabia causing the kid to be arrested. Forgive my ignorance on Saudi Law, but it does come as a surprise to me that simply engaging in a conversation with an attractive white female from the U.S. was grounds for arrest.
It will be interesting to see whether continuing incidents like these over the next several years spark enough domestic and international outrage that totlitarian regimes are forced to change their governing practices.
Is coming. To the US and all other nations.
Extradition to another country for violating their laws, religious views or sexual morals.
Glad I am retiring, and becoming a tech luddite.
I think its terrible and I dont think he deserves it
which is a pretty reasonable response, but what most Americans don't understand or for that matter tend to respect are cultural differences. Theyre quick to point out the injustice of the Saudi criminal code yet conveniently overlook the fact that it is a criminal offence to dance at the Jefferson Memorial, or that until 1967 interracial marriages were illegal in a plurality of states. Transgender Americans can still face prosecution for simply using the toilet in 5 states, and it wasnt until 2015 that gays could be married in the land of the free.
Abu Sin knew what he was doing. Sometimes incarceration is a risk you take to try and make a cultural change or statement.
Good people go to bed earlier.
But the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation has accepted tens of millions of dollars in donations from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Algeria and Brunei â" all of which the State Department has faulted over their records on sex discrimination and other human-rights issues.
The department's 2011 human rights report on Saudi Arabia, the last such yearly review prepared during Mrs. Clinton's tenure, tersely faulted the kingdom for "a lack of equal rights for women and children" and said violence against women, human trafficking and gender discrimination, among other abuses, were all "common" there.
Saudi Arabia has been a particularly generous benefactor to the Clinton Foundation, giving at least $10 million since 2001, according to foundation disclosures. At least $1 million more was donated by Friends of Saudi Arabia, co-founded by a Saudi prince.
Source: New York Times.
VOTE HILLARY 2016! A vote for Hillary is a vote for the Saudis. A vote for Hillary is a vote for the Trans-Pacific Partnership. She supports both of these causes, if you agree with her, then she is definitely your candidate.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
"The Internet treats freedom as damage and routes around it."
That much better fits the world of 2016 than his original form.
It will be a long time in the future and I'm not likely to be here. It would be nice to see the Saudis pulling their Mercedes and Rolls Royces across the desert using camels. The future is for countries to invest in a diverse economy with the ability to quickly adjust to changing times. So far the Saudis and others only have an economy based on liquid potential energy and sand.
Your entire post makes no sense. First off there is no law about dancing at the Jefferson memorial, it is however an issue to demonstrate without a permit and then refuse to leave when the police order it. As for everything else in your post, how is anyone ignoring it? Is american law perfect, no. But it is still a fuckton better then laws in the middle east.
Also on the gay thing, there is a vast difference between "marriage is not permitted" and "public beheading". Even if you don't support gay marriage, there is no moral dishonesty to say that murdering them may be slightly overkill.
Abu Sin knew what he was doing. Sometimes incarceration is a risk you take to try and make a cultural change or statement.
Abu Sin was a young boy talking to a woman. To say he fully understood the ramifications of his actions is absurd. He almost certainly knew it was a social taboo, but to say he was trying to make cultural change is really stretching. We do not know his intentions, but Occam says hormonal teenager trumps activist any day.
That said, this probably happens quite a bit with teenagers, just not out in the open. Then, afterwards, after the physical and mental scarring endured, these young men learn hate. And that hate is not towards his oppressors, the regime and religion that beat him down. Instead it is twisted at women or those who do as they did, that they should suffer the same punishments. This is how these types of systems stay in place and prosper.
Silence is a state of mime.
It's in the same category regardless of the punishment. American's far from free and imprisons peaceful people routinely. I say this as someone who is persecuted by the US, and its hypocritical society. One need not commit violence to be severely punished. A severe lashing and 3 years in prison is hardly all that much relative to what the US does to many peaceful people for little more than political speech. The US is imprisoning people routinely for anywhere between 5-10 years and life for a variety of communication related crimes. The idea that it doesn't happen is a matter of perspective and a social construct/norm/expectancy. Just because we think something is horrible doesn't justify these things when nobody is actually harmed, and that is exactly the same situation as the Saudi here.
You're undoing your own argument. Culturally, nobody gives a damn if you dance at the Jefferson Memorial, though some people might give a damn if a bunch of people wasted time writing and fussing about legislation to change that law that nobody cares about. On your other topics, you've made your own counterpoint. Culturally, the west has moved very quickly on areas like gay marriage. In practical terms, it's a done deal. There will be lots of little rough edges to clean up for a few years yet. Meanwhile, the Wahabbists and their ilk in the Middle East are going full-throttle backwards into the medieval days they miss so badly.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
You'll do anything to avoid saying "Islam", won't you? You use mental gymnastics and false equivalency so you don't feel like such a racist. But you know what the score REALLY is.
> Once again religion demonstrates it's worthlessness.
Oh please, its not "religion." Its fucking human nature. Stalin was the biggest killer in modern history Mao Zedung the second and Hitler was probably third. The first two were officially atheist the last was only nominally christian because that's just what white people in germany were.
As long as you are focused on "religion" as the cause of the problem rather than just another neutral tool that can be co-opted you are never going to improve the world. Know your enemy.
Fuck it. The sooner it is wiped off this earth the better.
The world is not weird, it is the people.
Religion is not stupid, it is the people.
Nature is not insane, it is the people.
Demagogues are not the focal problem, it is the people.
People are not rational, nor reasonable. We all are delusional at the best of times. Nothing but walking bags of raging chemicals. Get used to this, accept it, see the insane asylum. Then next time an orange potato chip begins gaining popularity in an election that holds the future of people in its grip,,,, you will not be caught off guard.
As I advance into my own stoopidity, I hope I am reaching a form of intelligence.
Is it pleasant to be so ill-informed? I think it must be, there are so many people like yourself who are willing to just swallow the headlines fed to them in their bubbles rather than put in the effort to verify that what they want to believe is what they should believe.
It's important to notice that this happened because the Saudi public called for him to be punished.
When these stories circulate the focus is always about it being the fault of the government or the "religious leaders" but it's important to understand it's also what the *citizens* want. This is the pulse of Islam as a whole. It's not fringe.
It may be a matter of not sticking ones nose in another country's business: fix our own backyard first.
Meddling in the Middle East just seems to make things worse. If they wanna be medieval and keep resisting modernization, there should come a point where we give up trying to modernize them and instead focus on issues closer to home.
Table-ized A.I.
Apparently he was streaming when he was arrested (police arrives at 7:00): https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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Saudi Arabia and their stupid pointless shitty laws
Meanwhile, they have a teenage pregnancy rate that's almost 1/3 of the US'
Just saying, it does seem to have an effect.
he is just another arab, he probably was trying to set a bomb on her base or something
fuck islam, fuck medieval people
You're right... though I don't limit it to Islam. I hate all religions.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
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If all it takes is that "the general public demanded for him to be punished for his actions" then I demand that Colonel Fawaz Al-Mayman be punished for his actions, along with every member of the police that arrested Abu Sin. Who's with me?
Think it'll work? *crickets*
Between the honor killings, forced marriage and FGM happening in Saudi Arabia I can understand why their teen pregnancy rate is so low!
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
[Americans are] quick to point out the injustice of the Saudi criminal code yet conveniently overlook the fact that it is a criminal offence to dance at the Jefferson Memorial, or that until 1967 interracial marriages were illegal in a plurality of states.
I think most Americans are quick to point out stupid laws in the U.S., too, when they become aware of such laws. But most Americans are just too stupid to vote out the Congresscritters who enact such laws.
Can't hold hands, kiss in public, but they can have sex with goats/sheep, car mufflers etc and it's ok. What a backwards society!
Well, "all religions" isn't going to lash a dude for talking to a girl, so your rant is non-sequitur.
Take your alt-right political trolling and shove it up your ass.
Goddamn, the alt-right is fucking stupid.
Yes, that's ad-hominem. It's also not ad-hominem to call out dumbasses such as yourself bent on bringing /pol/ to Slashdot.
Fuck you.
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It's not Islam, it's Wahhabism. (Please stay were you are. Royal Al Qaeda assassination team have been dispatched to your location several thousands of km away.) Noooo..Wait, they will kill each other before getting into airport. Phew! Unless the coming US-Saudi lawsuit reveal a measure of collaboration between the rebellious members of the government and Al Qaeda. Noooo..
What an amazing, beautiful culture.
Saudis are some of the biggest jerks on the planet.
Their culture deserves no respect.
Fuck the cultural differences excuse. I'm not going to respect a way of thinking that perpetuates human rights violations just because it's different; that is fucking idiotic.
Reading that made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
Just saying.
In Islamic jurisprudence - where the rules of a religion are translated into applied laws of a country - there are 4 schools - Hanafi, Shafi'i, Maliki and Hanbali (talking about Sunni Islam here - there are 2 in Shia - Jaafari and Khomeni'i). Most Muslim countries in Asia follow the Hanafi school - that is countries like Jordan, Iraq, Turkey, the stans (to the extent they're followed at all), Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Kuwait. Egypt and Syria follow a blend of Hanafi and Shafi'i, since al Azhar university in Cairo is where most of Shafi'i doctrine evolved. Other than that, Shafi'i is followed in Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei. Maliki evolved in Andaluz - Islamic Spain - and is the school followed in most of North Africa, aside from the East - Egypt, Sudan and Somalia.
Wahabism is an implementation of the 4th school - Hanbali - and would otherwise be an asterisk, but it's there in 2 countries - Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Since Saudi Arabia is the country that has Mecca and Medina, that makes it unignorable. Otherwise, there are stray sects of Islam all around - like Ibadi in Oman - which nobody notices.
Saudi Arabia remains a very rich country. Its subsidized citizens are obscenely rich, but even the non-citizens are doing rather well. It has, for example, a large population of Indians, who, despite having no prospect of citizenship, like their salaries much better there, than in their own reasonably free country.
For another example, it had a large contingent of Arabs from Palestine until 1991 (when the fools celebrated Saddam Hussein's invasion into Kuwait and were summarily expelled by the Saudis over it). They too preferred Saudi Arabia over the more secular destinations (like most other Arab countries).
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Not to mention, girls are allowed to marry in their teens, under Islamic law. After all, Mohammed, when he was in his 50s, married a 6-year old girl Aisha and consummated it when she was 9. And in Islam, Mohammed is 'al insan al kamil', or the perfect model for mankind, and so there is no way they would outlaw pedophilia
Now we know your sexual orientation. Great!
Well, there's also the fact the laws mentioned have either been thrown out by the courts as unConstitutional, or exist for a good reason.
Dancing isn't illegal in the US, obviously. Dancing at the Jefferson Memorial isn't banned, either - unless you're disturbing the other tourists. In which case, of course it's prohibited, along with taking a shit in the lobby, or planking the statues.
Everyone is too busy kissing their asses to keep that sweet crude coming.
Ewww. That was a disturbing image.
Not to mention true.
How the 'souvereign state of Saudi Arabia' treats its civilians is not our concern. We have no business intervening with their internal affairs.
Now, if it were the 'islamic terrorist state of Iran' where this happened, then of course it would have been a totally different story as Saudi Arabia is an ally to the petrodollar whereas Iran is not.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
As long as S.A. keeps selling its oil in US$ the US will not intervene with anything that happens inside the country, and will protect them militarily against other countries, except Israel.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
and it wasnt until 2015 that gays could be married in the land of the free.
Of course they could. A gay guy just had to find a gay girl to marry, and it would have been perfectly legal.
Could I summarize this post as, "All countries' laws are basically equal in terms of injustice/ridiculousness?" I'm guessing not, but that's really the only solid claim i can really extract from it.
An interesting anagram of "BANACH TARSKI" is "BANACH TARSKI BANACH TARSKI"
Just like before 1967, a white person just had to find another white person to marry. The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.
An interesting anagram of "BANACH TARSKI" is "BANACH TARSKI BANACH TARSKI"
Why do I get the feeling that the teenage pregnancy rate is not a statistic we're likely to get any clarity on in Saudi Arabia? If the "official" rate is 1/3 of the US, it seems like a pretty good bet that it's even higher than that in reality.
Kind of like how Iran has no gay people.
An interesting anagram of "BANACH TARSKI" is "BANACH TARSKI BANACH TARSKI"
Saudi Arabia is not like western countries. Ignorance of this fact on both sides caused the unfortunate prison outcome.
https://sofrep.com/64697/obama-saudi-arabia-complicated/