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Utah Governor: 'Porn Is a Public Health Crisis' (cnet.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Utah Governor Gary Herbert said on his Facebook page: "Pornography is a public health crisis. The problem is rampant, yet it thrives in secrecy and silence." He emitted this thought on signing a resolution which says porn is "a public health hazard leading to a broad spectrum of individual and public health impacts and societal harms." In addition, it "perpetuates a sexually toxic environment." The resolution doesn't just stop there. It goes on to say "due to advances in technology and the universal availability of the Internet, young children are exposed to what used to be referred to as hard core, but is now considered mainstream, pornography at an alarming rate." The resolution says pornography "equates violence toward women and children with sex and pain with pleasure, which increases the demand for sex trafficking, prostitution, child sexual abuse images, and child pornography." It requests "the need for education, prevention, research, and policy change at the community and societal level in order to address the pornography epidemic that is harming the people of our state and nation." In the words of Gov. Gary Herbert, "Today's bills will start an open discussion." I couldn't agree more...
This is just the continuation of the "public health crisis" excuse to ban something people don't agree with. Smoking, Sugary drinks, guns, etc. The slippery slope continues.
That's a bold statement... If he's got proof, I'd like to see it (for free, obviously)
If only we had a way to instruct these children about responsible sexual practices. If only we could gather children together 5 days a week in public buildings and teach them sexual education along with math, science and history to demystify sex so that porn isn't their only reference.
If only...
https://virtuoussociety.com/20...
Can't they just let it go and get over themselves?
The problem with slashdot is that most of its users were bullied and stuffed into lockers as kids!
Another attempt by the far right to legislate its religious morality. Maybe we should call religion a public health crisis. It damages people's ability to think rationally. Porn is like any other film; it's staged. Of course, the right doesn't call action movies a public health crisis, even though they tend to contain plenty of violence; action movies don't violate their religion's morals.
He sounds like some sort of fusion between a tumblr socjus and a bible nut, using several "power words" from both sides.
That's a bold statement... If he's got proof, I'd like to see it (for free, obviously)
Science would be great here, although any limitations are going to be severely limited by both the first amendment.
I remember hearing a few years ago that the effects of internet pornography were difficult to study because it is too difficult to find a control group.
I feel that they are painting porn with a bit of a too broad of a brush. This is as simple-minded as saying all videogames are inherently violent.
Granted children should not have access to this kind of material, but that is a whole different story.. I'm not entirely convinced that if little Timmy is exposed to pornography he is more likely to support the sex trafficking and child pornography industry.
... is like a PG-13 rated film. Or, maybe a non-Republican political ad.
Uh oh.. I think the kid next door is patient zero.
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Exposure to politicians and their desires to push their own ideals on others is a public health crisis.
WE should outlaw politicians at once!
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
It gives us what we want when we want it, no work required, it makes us highly addictive people.
proof: you all came here because it is easier than doing something else
Utah has the highest consumption rate of porn, and there really hasn't been a good explanation for it.
On the plus side, it's nice to see the religious right taking on the mantle of anti-porn crusaders again from feminist, as the you can only get so far with claims of misogyny.. Erototoxins are where its at.
Unfortunately for him, this discussion already took place in 1969 (snark), via the President's Commission on Obscenity and Pornography. Thus far, I haven't heard much in the way to contradict their findings.
And then there is that pesky free speech issue, which regardless of public health problems, the courts haven't seen fit to abridge.
I'll be the first to admit I'm dismayed at the prevalence of porn now, but simply asking people to use more discretion isn't nearly as headline grabbing as claiming porn is a health crisis.
Maybe he can look into why there is such a problem in his own state and get back to us?
- the worst in the nation, those Mormons are. Porn never killed anyone. Except that kung fu guy.
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sure, porn has its share of problems. Just like alcohol, smoking, religion, fast food and democracy.
Yet I do not see him calling for "the need for education, prevention, research, and policy change at the community and societal level in order to address the alcohol/smoking/religion/fast food/democracy epidemic that is harming the people of our state and nation." .
Any public servant who is this vocal and proactive in trying to ban pornography should be required to release their full, unedited browser history into the public record.
That would put a stop to this shit real quick. (And probably lead to a few criminal convictions I'd wager)
=Smidge=
Where do these guys come from? Someone must be kicking over the rocks for them to escape into the wild. Why not tackle real issues like hunger, torture, spying on citizens, wars, military budgets, infrastructure, climate change, etc? All he is doing is opening up another rabbit hole for society to run down when we need to put our energy in extinguishing fires that other idiots have started.
And not only Porn! Also:
- Videogames
- Role playing games
- Rock
- Divorces
- Sodomy
- Being black
- Heresy
- Witchcraft
- Barbarian..ism?
There's a reason why this clusterfuck exists http://www.cdc.gov/teenpregnancy/about/index.htm and it isn't what Herbert thinks it is.
yes, porn has some very direct problematic outcomes but one part why they're that much of a problem is that all attemps to improve things are constantly harassed and or blocked.
"pornography...equates violence toward women and children with sex"
Sounds like the FBI ought to have a look at what's on his computer. He's been a bad boy. /snark
Seriously, pornography is a lot more obtainable that it used to be. No more sneaking around with magazines, today's teens just type in a couple of well-know internet addresses. Society will adapt; largely has already adapted. It really does sound like the guy is having trouble himself, and is projecting his personal problems onto everyone else.
Related: Some people here are calling for a ban on laser tag, apparently because they think kids are going to start shooting random people.
Unless someone is seriously mentally ill, they do not mix up fiction and reality. Not when it comes to video games, not when it comes to porn, not when it comes to laser tag.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
If porn bothers you so much, stop watching it?
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
Seriously, far worse crap in this world.
Utah Governor: 'Porn Is a Public Health Crisis'
Why would porn cause a pubi-
Oh, public. Never mind.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
For the same reason he can't actually do anything about pornography. The 1st Amendment.
I agree. you should watch less porn.
There, FTFY.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
I wonder what happens when his Facebook page gets infected...
Seems to me this is done for women, because they don't want their husbands to spend money on porn.
This is my attempt to understand religion:
https://docs.google.com/docume...
Thank you, Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden and so many others, for courageously defending humanity, my freedom and more!
First of all, it's odd to assert that something is true in a resolution. Either it's true or not; making it a resolution doesn't make it true. More importantly, though, this seems like a testable hypothesis. As far as I know, scientific evidence points to the opposite being true; on a societal level, higher porn consumption seems to be correlated with fewer incidence of sexual violence.
agreed, it's also the muslim view, and that of many other long term civilizations.
Following that logic, the bible tells about stoning child marriage which could lead to child abuse and thus should be forbidden too. And Utah.
America has what, 70% ? Christians, and we don't routinely stone people in the streets for infidelity and other loose morals.
And that ignores that under the remaining 30% there is a significant percentage Muslims and Jews that share the old testament.
Damn, right when I was about to watch Mormon MILFs vol 7 and Polygangme vol 3.
Whenever I've been in a serious relationship and can't have sex for a while (ie: travel, menstruation, etc), porn has always been the answer to keep me from cheating. Take away porn, and I'm sure the infidelity rate will skyrocket.
Isn't that the state where ordinary people are allowed to have multiple wifes? It's always the hypocrits who are the worst.
He's purdy much right. In fact, one of my wives swears up & down she'll be taking me to porn addicts anonymous meetings. As soon as she's old enough to drive. In about 3 years. Provided she is pregnant. Again.
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
Troll or stupid? Slashdot has become a puzzle-site these days...
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I was expecting "Climate change is causing porn health crisis" since everything seems to be caused by climate change. lol
the governor of Utah will make a law making it mandatory that everyone in the state of Utah wear the mormon;'s magic underwear
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
Time magazine just did a big piece on this. I didn't read it, but I gather they had some non-religious science-y type folk talking about porn's adverse affects on the brain and/or actual sexual relationships with humans.
Not sure I agree with their conclusions, but I mention the research to point out that this isn't solely something being pushed by the religious right.
When I hear the word crisis my BS detector goes up. Almost nothing that is described as a crisis nowadays isn't.
In fact to the contrary, the use of hyperbole instead of just-the-facts-madam arguments to make the point betrays that even for the proponent the situation isn't that serious and hence the overreach.
is a public health crisis in Utah, and it seems to be spreading.
All indications I have show that religion in various forms is a lot worse for your health than porn will ever be. It kills every day, and if it doesn't kill you today, at least causes serious lack of judgement and deformed perception of reality.
Perhaps the Senator should reset his priorities and fix the religion issue first? The world will be a better place without religion, thank you.
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Which is the bigger public health crisis in the U.S.? Discuss.
Could also be said to also enforce most of these ideas.
I'm not sure if you are Mormon or Protestant, but either way I presume you hold the Bible sacred. My Bible says in I Peter 4:15-16 not to be a busybody or meddler in other people's decisions. It's sort of a well known passage because it's one of only three places that the Bible uses the word "Christian," but somehow I think a lot of people have missed what it says not to do.
Being extremely religious, I take the Bible and this passage extremely seriously. I suggest you do start doing so as well. You're making things difficult for the rest of us.
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
I would just like to point out that shipadick.com DOES offer its services into the great State of Utah... I'm sure they'd be happy to deliver a giant 29" cardboard dick directly to the Governor's Office. Just sayin'.
Porn-fried brain on display. Go watch some more degeneracy, I'm sure it works wonders for your IQ.
Porn is a public health crisis! If you beat off too much you will get blisters! Beat off blisters are the worst!
Or maybe he just needs a few moments in private to relieve himself. The real question is does he really believe this nonsense or is he saying it to get political power among an unfortunate electorate. This same garbage keeps getting spun over and over again. Go back to 1960 and the loonies were convinced that Playboy Magazine would send us all to hell in a hand basket. Go back to 1930 and some states had laws against hearing saxophone music as the nuts in that era felt that the tone of the saxophone lured women into promiscuity. Or how about a few years further back when women had to make certain their ankles did not show as the sight of an ankle was considered as overly stimulating to males? Will the dirty pee-pee people simply shut up and die already!
No it doesn't.
It thrives cause there is a market.
It is widespread and everywhere.
The only secrecy and silence he must be talking about is in the governors own office.
They've all been restricted to some extent, with attempts made to expand the restrictions.
The way you can tell if something is actually a public health issue is to figure out if it is a cause or problems or a symptom.
The problem is that sugar is needleslly subsidized so their economic cost isn't realized in their market price. Some consumption of sugar is fine but as a society we've gone WAY beyond what is demonstrably healthy. So over consumption of sugary drinks is a public health crisis because it is a significant factor in obesity, diabetes and other conditions common in the population. Eat too much sugar and you get fat and/or diabetes and/or other illnesses. Cause and effect.
Smoking IS a genuine public health crisis. There are innumerable diseases with clear causal relationships to smoking. It's not even a debate that it is a public health issue. Smoking clearly causes illnesses
Porn is NOT a genuine health crisis. Arguments to that effect are people looking for an excuse to interject their own morality in most cases. At most it is a symptom of people who have genuine mental health issues but the porn isn't the cause. Porn doesn't cause mental health issues but mental health issue might result in porn. You won't make the mental health issue go away by suppressing or removing access to porn. Even nasty stuff like kiddie-porn does not cause mental health problems - it merely shows us where they already exist.
He tried anal sex with light spanking with his wife and did feel the pain with the pleasure as his wife was going too deep with it. He immediately started to think calling a professional sex educator to show the merry couple how it is done right.
...equates violence toward women and children with sex and pain with pleasure...
Implying....men are the perpetrators, amirite?
I am tired of the implication that all men, everywhere, are just busting at the seams to violate and hurt women and children ( no one seems to imply or care if they hurt each other, after all ), only we don't out of some fear of punishment. That's incredibly disrespectful and sexist towards men AND it infantilizes women. As if neither gender has any agency of self.
It's still sexism if it's against men. Hell, it's sexism even if the men are white.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
/. loves (and use) porn.
even more than they love agw, sjw, musk, etc., or hate outsourcing, trump, m$, etc.
Governor, thou protest too much. I'd be willing to bet that this guy is a raging porn freak. Countdown until his porn addiction/prostitute habits/many mistresses come into the public's view in 3....2.....1
Government Is a Public Safety Crisis
Either that, or you have an irrational hatred of feminists, probably due to deep and perfectly valid feelings of inadequacy, and try to blame them for everything.
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
To sociologist Gail Dines, a self-identifying radical feminist and “anti-porn advocate,” these findings added to a body of evidence that she deemed conclusive. Dines believes that non-coercive pornography cannot exist in a capitalist society, where sex-based media will always lead to an industry that becomes a violent manifestation of structural inequalities. In The Washington Post this weekend, Dines wrote a column that spread widely: “Is Porn Immoral? That Doesn’t Matter: It’s a Public-Health Crisis.”
The divisive proclamation was occasioned by a bill passed last month in Utah declaring pornography to be “a public-health crisis.” The bill, like the phrase, traces back to Dines, who has spoken and lectured on the evils of pornography around the world.
This isn't the first time feminists have teamed up with the far right to restrict freedom (see: horseshoe theory).
Porn is addictive and habit forming, and some people have problems with it that cause significant difficulty in their lives.
It should be handles responsibly by society, as should alcohol, gambling, drugs and other addictive practices.
What we ought to be paying attention to, instead of the "porn is a public health crisis", is the companion bill that sets up criminal penalties for tech workers if we don't turn in customers that have illegal material on their devices. Sure, "its okay because its targeting pedophiles" for now. But they are taking power over us, attempting to claim that they can punish us for not helping them. And once they can punish us for not tattling on pedos, it won't be long before we're also punished for not turning in someone for their ISIS beheading video propaganda, or rape-themed porn. The power to compel people to turn on eachother is a big deal, and we're not even discussing what we want in return.
Interesting article by Dr. Marty Klein (licensed marriage & family therapist and certified sex therapist for over thirty years) who adresses this topic rather well... http://www.skeptic.com/eskepti... ....and yes, there are problems, but no, they are not critical.
should've been this one:
http://www.theatlantic.com/hea...
Let the record show that Hank Hill... er, Gary Herbert... really knows his pornography.
Honestly this is something ISIS would say.
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I have determined that my sig is indeterminate.
I seem to remember some studies that suggest that porn watching among teenagers *in the US* does in fact tend to bias them towards more extreme activities likely to induce pain, humiliation, etc.
As I recall though, those same studies suggested a much more practical solution - stop treating sexuality as a taboo subject. It's arguably the single most important biological drive, and as that drive gets activated as teenagers hit puberty they're naturally going to seek out information and stimulation. In the US today, that pretty much means pornographic depictions of often dubious activities*, since depictions of healthy, well-adjusted sexuality are banned from general media, and are insufficiently titillating to be the focus of much porn.
*I should clarify that I have nothing against "dubious activities" between consenting adults. But it makes for very poor education of what a healthy baseline sexual relationship looks like.
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"equates violence toward women and children with sex"
I take this to mean that gay porn is OK, so we got that going for us.
Conservatives used to declare things to be "immoral" and they could mess with people's lives to their hearts' content. That doesn't work anymore. But the left came up with something much better: declare something a "health crisis", and all of a sudden anything goes. As a bonus, many feminists have the same screwed up views of pornography as Mormons.
Utah must have fixed all their other issues if the governor has all this free time to worry about porn's impact on his constituents. Except he's a Republican, and they have a history of being sexually repressed yet interested in what other people are doing in the privacy of their own homes.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
Perhaps we could regulate the access to pornography with some kind of oauth which maintains an age in the identity? But then this will just be faked and we will end up back where we started.
I don't have kids so its hard to see what the problem is. I hold this opinion due to the fact that when I was growing up porn was EASY to access.. I mean dads sock drawer isn't exactly a secure vault. And from the early days of bulletin boards before we had the current implementation of the internet, porn has ALWAYS been prevalent. I remember downloading CGI porn line at a time hoping that she was standing on her head at to get the beaver in view quicker.
Go ahead and demonstrate that porn isn't a public health crisis. There's a plausible causal link between the availability and consumption of porn, and there are plausible links between that and many of the changes in families that are disastrous for young adults. Just because you don't believe them doesn't magically make it not the case. I don't happen to believe so, but there are some major changes which may have affects.
Sorry for the word play. But sex robots will pull some attention away from porn. That should make them happy by both reducing consumption of porn as well as reducing acting out of it.
I'm sure they'd have no argument there.
When you pry it from my cold, dead, sticky hands.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
> "...Porn is NOT a genuine health crisis..."
evidence please. While I do not have evidence either it would seem to me that it is a giant social experiment right now which no one knows the outcome. No one knows if it is 'safe'. I know that researchers are having difficulty finding unexposed controls. Furthermore there is a high consumption rate with mostly unknown hazards. Again, no one knows if it is safe or not and platitudes against 'interject their own morality' is shooting the messenger.
As a group smokers are the worst litter offenders known to man. How many times have I been driving and seen someone throw one out the window? As anyone who has ever had to sweep a parking lot and they will tell you that there are always cigarette butts. I know not all smokers are this bad, but there are so many who are that it's pathetic.
most nudity that is porn portrays abusive behavior and feeds a need in the viewer that probably is not healthy.
People are horny whether or not they have access to porn. "Portrays abusive behavior"? In some cases sure but the porn isn't the cause, it is the result.
I've done a lot of counseling sessions with people whose relationships and lives were ruined by the persons addiction to porn.
Addiction is a real problem but it doesn't follow that porn = public health crisis because some people cannot manage their libido effectively. Alcoholism is a disease but that doesn't make alcohol a public health problem. It makes alcoholism a public health problem. See the difference? Alcohol consumed responsibly is a non-problem. Alcohol consumed to excess routinely and/or in an irresponsible manner (i.e. alcoholism) is a problem.
Seriously, this is a Mormon lawmaker trying to legislate his own morality on others. Let's not pretend there is any credibility to calling this a public health crisis because it isn't.
I have yet to do a single one where sugary drinks, for example, caused it.
And exactly how do you get to the conclusion that obesity and diabetes are conditions best treated by counseling?
The resolution says pornography "equates violence toward women and children with sex and pain with pleasure, which increases the demand for sex trafficking, prostitution, child sexual abuse images, and child pornography."
I don't know which sites the Governor has been sampling, but my tastes are much more tame.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
There used a be a law that any tv programming aimed at minors had to have bumpers before & after the commercial breaks (after these messages we'll be right back) because people were concerned that children wouldn't understand the difference between the entertainment and the advertising.
Apparently we aren't concerned anymore.
Mr. Van Driessen: And this, class, is the computer that will act as Highland High School gateway to the information super highway. Now, I know that all of you will use this responsibly. But the school board as worried the some with you we'll be tempted to access adult services. Some of which do contain pornographic images.
Butt-Head: Whoa.
Mr. Van Driessen: That's why the faculty will be taking strict measures against anyone who abuses the computer. okay. Any questions
Butt-Head: Uh... so uh... how do we get porn?
Mr. Van Driessen: Very funny Butt-Head. Okay, there aren't any questions he'll back to class, okay.
Butt-Head: Whoa. Free porn.
Beavis: Yeah. Yeah. How do we get it.
Stewart: Yeah, yeah, yeah sure you can install it but I like to see download anything else with only four megs of RAM.
Butt-Head: Welcome to the future. here's your free porn.
Beavis: Yeah.
Butt-Head: Uh, hey Stewart, we need a get us some with that free porn.
Stewart: No way guys. You heard Mr. Van Driessen. We'll get in big trouble.
Butt-Head: No we won't.
Beavis: Yeah. Porn is good for you. Did you know that?
Stewart: Come on, guys.
Butt-Head: Uh... get us some porn.
Beavis: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, let's check it out. Come on. Butthole.
Stewart: Guys, can't we just hang out?
Butt-Head: Uh, no. Uh, then we promised us. Uh, a really long time ago, then you were gonna get us some porn.
Beavis: Yeah, yeah you promise.
Stewart: Guys?
Butt-Head: Come on, Stewart, everybody does that.
Beavis: Yeah, yeah we'll be fine.
Butt-Head: Come on, Stewart, get us some porn.
Beavis: Yeah, yeah come on, get us some porn. Here we go. Porno, porno, porno, porno.
Stewart: Please leave me alone.
Beavis: Porn, porn, porn.
Butt-Head: Come on, Stewart.
Stewart: But I... okay, okay.
Butt-Head: Uh... well that's a start.
Beavis: Yeah, yeah keep going. We wanna see naked chicks. Butt naked yeah. Eh, hey what about that one.
Stewart: Oh, no. That one's illegal in the state.
Beavis: Come on I wanna see it, I wanna see it! Damn it!
Butt-Head: Yeah, come on, Stewart, do it.
Stewart: Oh, okay guys. [Stewart typing on the computer to search for porn and he press enter and he closed eyes]
Butt-Head: Whoa.
Beavis: Whoa?
Stewart: Oh, my god?
Butt-Head: Come to Butt-Head.
Beavis: Yeah.
Lady: What in gods name is going on here? Oh, my lord! [She fall back down on the floor]
Butt-Head: Uh... I think you killed her Stewart.
Mr. McVicker: Uh... Now as you boys know, we have strict rules, about accessing computer pornography from the library. So before, I sentence you to an extremely harsh punishment, I want to know how you little punks did it! Uh... Come on. You idiots can save yourself a lot of trouble if you just tell me who helped you log on!
Butt-Head: I did that myself. But Stewart got us the porn.
Stewart: What?
Beavis: He's pretty good.
Stewart: But... but... but I...
Mr. McVicker: Oh, that's it! You're all getting detention for the rest of the year! And you've lost all your computer privileges!
Butt-Head: Stewart in trouble.
Beavis: Yeah. That's cool.
Butt-Head: Hey Stewart. Uh, after we get out of here. Can you help us get some more porn.
Beavis: Yeah, yeah. This time get us more butt shots.
Stewart: Leave me alone. You guys already got me enough trouble.
Butt-Head: Uh... so.
Beavis: Yeah, yeah we need more porn, come on Stewart.
Buzzcut: Shut the hell up!
Stewart: Would you guys please leave me alone. Here you can play with my game boy.
Butt-Head: This sucks.
Beavis: No way, Butt-Head. If we kinda like close your eyes and boried. Let's hang over there naked chicks big boobs. Check it out.
Butt-Head: Whoa. Oh, yeah. [Beavis and Butt-Head looking at the gameboy to see]
... when writing one-handed.
consumption of sugar is fine but as a society we've gone WAY beyond what is demonstrably healthy. So over consumption of sugary drinks is a public health crisis because it is a significant factor in obesity, diabetes and other conditions common in the population.
The tyrant can always find a reason.
The right to self-destructive behavior is fundamental to freedom.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Took them 30 years...
"The problem is that sugar is needleslly subsidized [economics21.org] so their economic cost isn't realized in their market price."
On this point you definitely have it backwards. Sugar is indeed subsidized but that is to enable the sugar plantations in the US to exist and compete with Caribbean and South American producers. Combined with import taxes the result is an INCREASED price for sugar. Without these subsidies the sugar plantations in the US would disappear, there would be no need for the high import taxes, and the cost would drop.
Do these sort of people consider softcore nude content (thinking of something like Playboy) as also dangerous or are they referring specifically to actual hardcore pornography? I'd be curious if any research has ever been done on more softcore stuff (like topless photos, lingerie photos etc.) Are there actually Doctors/Psychologists etc. that consider that sort of softcore stuff as being dangerous as well? I'm curious as I normally assume they are referring to hardcore stuff.
If it turns you on and it's what you like then it's what turns you on and is what you like. There is nothing wrong with people discovering what is actually the baseline for their sexual tastes rather than the puritan societal acceptance baseline some would consider healthy.
There is as much pornography depicting degrading men as there is degrading women it may even be the more popular flavor. None of this has anything to do with protecting girls.
If two individuals respect and love each other who is anyone to judge if it is exciting to roleplay something different in sexual scenarios.
The right to self-destructive behavior is fundamental to freedom.
That freedom is not unlimited when it comes at a cost to others. Self destructive behavior rarely affects only the person behaving in a destructive manner. Someone else usually has to clean up the mess.
Maybe you oughta stop watching the violent misogynistic porn such as Bible Black and watch gentle porn such as SexFriend.
That includes female Porn (romance novels). Sorry, ladies, that has to go too.
After all, porn is designed to cause sexual arousal in the consumer of said porn. And I don't think that there's any doubt that romance novels cause plenty of that.
And, BTW preacher, let's see Your Internet Search activity, shall we?
(Yes, it's a bitch when your ox gets gored, isn't it?)
What is it with Republican's obsession with other people's genitals? Jesus, these people are twisted.
I don't respond to AC's.
On this point you definitely have it backwards.
Not for the particular point I'm making though I agree with what you are saying. I'm not talking about the cost of sugar as a commodity but the cost of treating the effects of too much sugar in our diet as well as the indirect cost of lost industry. Apologies as I wasn't clear on that point. By holding the price of sugar artificially high we incur indirect costs that far exceed the added market price of the sugar itself. Furthermore the cost of treating the diseases caused by the excess consumption of sugar (and sugar substitutes) is not included in the price of sugar so it actually is arguably priced too low. We've traded price stability for a host of other more serious problems.
Sugar is indeed subsidized but that is to enable the sugar plantations in the US to exist and compete with Caribbean and South American producers.
If they cannot compete then there is no reason for them to exist. There is no reason we need to have domestically produced sugar. I believe we are probably in agreement here.
Combined with import taxes the result is an INCREASED price for sugar. Without these subsidies the sugar plantations in the US would disappear, there would be no need for the high import taxes, and the cost would drop.
You are correct in your market analysis but the problem is deeper than you are indicating and the resulting problems more pernicious. The sugar subsidies have forced purchasers of sugar towards alternative sweeteners (HFCS, etc) of dubious nutritional merit which have made their way into seemingly everything we eat. While sugar is more expensive, the alternatives have actually driven down the price of unhealthy food. Low income people have high obesity rates much of which is explained by the amount of sugar in the foods economically available to them. It has driven domestic food manufacturing industry away from the US which costs FAR more than the increase in sugar prices.
of the little old ladies who ran the news-stand in New Brunswick NJ if I wanted the latest Penthouse. It was indeed a trial.
I'm not sure your position is supported by recent publications. While I agree that people define "baseline" - the current concern is that teenagers are looking to porn as "what normal is." Teenagers make up their own truth in the absence of education. For example "you can't get pregnant the first time" ... etc.
I read an article recently that young women (girls) are being "trained" by young men (boys). Boys are watching porn and they expect girls to behave the same way. Girls want to be part of the in-club and are adapting - convincing themselves (for example) that oral sex isn't sex. Free to do it at will without consequence. They are not developing a healthy relationship with sex. Other forms of sex are now entering this new base-line. Forms that girls don't really want to do - but again adapt to remain in the club.
There are fears that STDs will rise because these "new" baseline forms of sex aren't considered problematic by teens - and therefore aren't protecting themselves....because of the "you can't get pregnant" line of reasoning.
My point is that teens may not be choosing their own baseline. Peer pressure is forcing unhealthy choices on them. You can't drink until 21, some states are proposing "can't smoke" until 21. Well thought out reasoning is not a skill teens have ;-)
Teaching our young what "healthy" looks like is probably the place to start. Okay - maybe parents not literally teaching them. Open the dialog and remove the taboo.
. . . .every time there's a "Health Threat", it's based on tests with white lab mice.
So . . . ban white lab mice.
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Porn is NOT a genuine health crisis. Arguments to that effect are people looking for an excuse to interject their own morality in most cases. At most it is a symptom of people who have genuine mental health issues but the porn isn't the cause. Porn doesn't cause mental health issues but mental health issue might result in porn. You won't make the mental health issue go away by suppressing or removing access to porn. Even nasty stuff like kiddie-porn does not cause mental health problems - it merely shows us where they already exist.
How in the world can you state that it is NOT a health crisis? What scientific backing do you have that it is NOT a health crisis? Why do you completely close your mind at the slightest suggestion that modern porn might cause a problem?
Considering that children are accessing porn at a much younger rate than before. Adults are accessing far more porn than ever before and in varieties that are increasingly more and more hard-core. You honestly think that accessing something at a much higher frequency than our bodies were evolved to access won't cause a problem?
oh, wait...
So far, most of the declarations which have been made public as to what "healthy baseline sexual relationship" means that I have encountered have been not so much simply wrong, as ludicrously stupid and profoundly wrongheaded.
The way I see it is this: Informed consent between the actual parties to the act(s.) That's it. That's all of it.
As soon as some wag wants to intervene without those parties consent, now there really is a problem that can realistically be defined as anti "healthy baseline sexual relationship."
We have an additional problem because we use an arbitrary "line in the sand" in a (inevitably doomed to failure) attempt to assign informed status in a completely arbitrary manner. Imagine if we said "at 16, you magically become ready to drive a car, here's the keys, see you on the freeway." The problems would be epic. That's exactly how we "manage" sexuality. We don't care if you are informed, we just up and claim you are because magic beans or fairy dust or something. And, of course, the resulting problems are similarly epic.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Utah Governor: "I've decided to make the Internet hate me for the rest of my life"
Liberty - Security - Laziness - Pick any two.
Interfering with informed, consensual choice is obscene.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
The AMA and other medical professionals and groups have been dealing with porn for years now and they are anything other than religious. Porn is real and is more than nude pictures. Equating the two is a bit like saying a Star Wars and a snuff film are synonymous because people die in both of them.
As for all of the things you list as being the results of Mormonism being an oppressive religion, that would seem to be a simple experiment to design. Do other states that are not dominated by Mormonism have greater or lessor incidences of these things. Well, Utah is ranked 43 in teen pregnancies with 48 per 1,000. That would seem to be that if Mormonism does not encourage the practice. What about depression? Again, Utah ranks in the lower third of states. In both cases, the States one tends to think of as poor tend to have the highest incidences of both teen pregnancy and depression, so it would appear that socio-economic factors are more to blame than religion. Mormonism may have its problems, but Utah, the only state with a large percentage of Mormons, is just the most recent state to come out against pornography. There are 29 others, none of which have identified religious oppression as part of the cause.
I would suggest, with all due respect, that based on your own admission of being an "ex-Mormon" that you still have a lot of baggage to deal with and it is coloring your perspective
Well, to be accurate, that whole "democracy" thing hasn't been a real problem in our society for some time. Nor do we face any problem with a "republic" thing.
What we actually have is an oligarchy problem.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
And we're talking about Mormons.
Coincidence?
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Answer: Interference with informed, consensual choice.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
It is always evil. Any attempts must be met with stiff resistance.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
sorry for the negative... but utah really pisses me off in general...
Burdens of proof do not work that way! Goodnight!
Just curious, which version do you use - King James, White Cloud, Cottonelle, Charmin,etc?
I honestly couldn't tell you the difference.
Unless I am reading everything incorrectly,
I'm getting the idea that Utah is being progressive with ;
"the need for education, prevention, research, and policy change at the community and societal level"
Education is the most important part of being able to have great sex IE: knowing what to do, practice with your partner(s) and get to the mutual agreed upon outcome.
Prevention for non-consensual abusive relationships and STD's
Research for how or why or what makes you happy in the sack...
if you see me, smile and say hello.
Today "Utah Governor: 'Porn Is a Public Health Crisis' .
Tomorrow "10Gigs of Hardcore Porn removed from State Offices of Utah Governor.'
End of Line.
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The problem is that a lot of gun nuts think its a good idea to carry their weapon anywhere they are allowed to carry it, regardless of who may be nearby.
SJWs: "If a man has sexual interest in women, he's a creep and a rapist!"
Fundamentalists: "If a man has sexual interest in anyone other than his female marriage partner for the strict purposes of procreation, he's a depraved sinner!"
Double-blind, peer reviewed or otherwise it is just someone's opinion.
Agreed.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
This myst be that "smaller, less invasive government" we keep hearing about.
> The problem is that a lot of gun nuts think its a good idea to carry their weapon anywhere they are allowed to carry it, regardless of who may be nearby.
The only "problem people" in this regard are thugs. Anyone else who is a potential victim actually benefits from someone being armed.
The only need to "conceal" is driven by hysterical man-children that brag about doing stupid things in response to seeing someone carry a gun. Even small children are less dangerous than your average blithering liberal.
Small children have more sense.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Yet another example of a religious nutjob trying to legislate his morality on everyone else. Tell this mormon cultist to piss off.
To call all porn bad is silly. It's like saying all food is bad, since junk food is bad.
If you're going to legislate anything here, you need to understand that basic idea.
To examine whether or not a proposal is reasonable, you should be able to replace
"porn" with "food" and see if it still makes any sense.
And the truth comes out! You're just a busybody feminist and/or homophobe who hates anal sex and blowjobs ie SODOMY. Ermahgerd!
Obviously, we have religious nuts working for the government.
Politicians want to shove their religious beliefs down our throats.
Hmmmm....sounds like a porn movie to me.
That very study is probably the impetus for this law, All the attention it has brought in the media has pissed them all off as they are shown to be hypocrites. The Mormon temple runs that state so they need to save face. That's all this is.
why not both?
You might want to look at some crime stats, that gun you are carrying is more likely to hurt someone other than the thug than it does the thug.
You stating "correlation doesn't mean causation" doesn't mean it doesn't cause it either. It's a place to start looking and you know it. This is just your usual conservative platform showing, gill. I bet you still don't think getting rid of all that lead was a good idea either, huh? Yer freedumbs and all that.
I sounds like Mormons have a really serious problem with pornography triggering some kind of latent immorality that the rest of us apparently lack.
They do. Thursdays are man-boy fuck day (because mosque is on friday so they can get forgiven) and they take vacations to Bahrain because it's the isle of sin. Allah can't see there. They do whatever they want while there with whom they want, get it all out of their system (supposedly) and then go back to being a good muslim for the rest of the year- fucking boys every thursday excluded of course. They treat it like "what happens in vegas stays in vegas". It made me sick really. Not the actions of course, fuck whichever consenting adult you like, but the hypocrisy. They thump their bible more than anyone else on this planet and surprise surprise, they're the biggest sinners.
It figures that a few dick heads ruin it for everyone.
Let's examine the real public health crisis. It is a simple matter of fact that jail is bad for your health. In fact, being arrested is bad for your health even if you don't end up going to jail as a consequence. It is also very, very bad for your economic health, as being arrested or sent to jail can cause you to lose your job and your insurance and can lead to the separation and breakup of families, which provide a robust basis for a healthy and productive life. Yet the United States in general, and Utah in particular, seem to lead the world in their persecution -- sorry, I mean "prosecution" of victimless crimes. To quote from Edward Gibbons and "The Tragedy of Victimless Crimes: https://www.prisonlegalnews.or... ,
Whenever the offence inspires less horror than the punishment, the rigor of penal law is obliged to give way to the common feelings of mankind – Edward Gibbon from “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”
The governor of Utah needs to get a grip. Purchasing pornography produced by consenting adults (or nowadays, often provided for free by consenting adults on the Internet) is an utterly victimless "crime" as no one is harmed by it. Masturbation is not a crime, and if anything it is probably good for you, if perhaps lonely. The making of ANY pornography without the consent of those portrayed or by violating already existing laws against child abuse or assault is already a crime, but much less so for the person purchasing it or owning it (who may be in no position to verify its provenance). Furthermore, it is already a crime right where it needs to be -- a crime committed by the maker of the pornographic image, a crime committed by a KNOWING redistributor of that image, where it is no more the responsibility of the owner or purchaser to validate an image's provenance than it is for the buyer of a car or cell phone to ascertain whether or not it was ever stolen.
Sending somebody to jail for looking at pornography so that they can -- with an appallingly high probability -- be raped, physically abused, and turned into actual criminals in our unbelievably poorly managed, expensive, and dangerous prison system as a public health issue is beyond any joke. Why don't we just cut off their hands and blind them? That way they could never again damage their health by looking at naked persons and/or causing themselves to have an orgasm while doing so. Oh, wait! That's close to what they already do in some of the most repressive regimes on the planet! Congrats to Utah for wanting to join them.
In the meantime, let's not forget the comparative health risk of possessing a pound of pot and going to jail for five years for the "crime" of possessing a pound of pot, the health risk of marrying someone of your own sex as compared to going to prison for marrying someone of your own sex, removing your bra in public versus going to jail for removing your bra in public, and so on down the line. We actively damage the health of anyone who is arrested, ever, at least statistically, but because there is a burgeoning private prison industry in the US that profits enormously from being paid to keep these dangerous criminals incarcerated and lobbies and quietly bribes accordingly to ensure an adequate supply of criminals to keep them in clover, nobody cares.
Maybe nobody DOES care. But still, dressing up an utterly victimless anti-pornography religious moral crusade as a health issue, that's just wrong. Go on and say it the way it really is, Governor. It isn't about "health", it is about God's Will and the Commandments. It's about an absurd religious mythology, imposed on others with the force of law using "health" as no more than an excuse, carefully avoiding any look at the already enormous public health burden of the millions of Americans who have been arrested and incarcerated and hence rendered virtually unemployable and uninsurable, all for committing crimes that are not, in fact, actual crimes.
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Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. --- Bertrand Russell.
Agreed. Which is why I am in favor of removing any depictions of abuse in our media. Let's start with gangster movies and anything with an explosion in it, and we can work our way to any sort of drama that depicts people having their feelings abused.
In fact, dramatic conflict of any sort should probably go.
You really convinced me with your "everybody was doing it" analogy re: Cosby. As we all know, everyone was drugging and raping people in the 80s. Luckily, none of that made it to America's Favorite Dad's tv programme, which, along with the Teletubbies, should probably be put on full rotation on every channel in the country, eliminating our exposure to the abusive behavior of politicians highlighted on the news every night.
God bless. A clean mind is a clean soul.
You have a point.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy for those that missed it. You KNOW if he's bitching about it, he's had to have seen it so why hasn't he been arrested for child porn yet? Fuck I can't even look at a cartoon horse wearing nothing but a thong because it looks like a 4 year old without getting put on a list. Not that I'd want to, but still.
Porn is NOT a genuine health crisis.
In all fairness, it can lead to carpal tunnel syndrome.
Herbert is clearly too dumb to even know about incognito mode.
Let me do all of your research for you , you lazy motherfucker
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The first thing most babies see as they are being born is a woman's privates.
For months afterwords most babies get a good-and-close-up look at a woman's breasts.
Granted, most kid's vision isn't fully-developed when they come out of the womb and almost no kid remembers the first 6 months of life by the time they hit puberty, but still, if you are gonna fight porn you should at least be consistent when you "think of the children."
Mormonism is designed to be a demanding religion, which many do not appreciates. But many do follow the religious tenants do to the influence it has on us.
It is a gross exaggeration to imply that most people have a bad the experience in the Church of Jesus Christ. Similarly, though based on facts, your statements about Joseph Smith and early Utah are exaggerations with no context. It is a shame that your experience with Mormonism left you so bitter, but hanging out on exmormon.org can't improve your perspective.
I don't agree with calling pornography a public health crisis; it would be more honest to label it a widespread moral failing. But it is similarly incorrect to pretend that differences in moral values don't impact the other members of our society. We have a democratic process to resolve such differences. You undermine useful discussion when you label those who disagree with you as cultists or to misrepresent their viewpoints.
Amen.
I mean, this is a problem that can be solved if you put out a product that is less damaging
I mean, other people are doing it [not specifically NSFW, but... it is about porn]
You're still trying to define someone else's "healthy" or "right" which due to the long standing puritanical and hypocritical nature of the US we probably don't actually know. Porn is an expression of an idealized fantasy. As in, if we could have exactly what we truly want, what would it be. But even now you're saying that what they want it wrong. It's forcing girls to do or be something they don't want to be. Proof? Because it sounds like you're saying they're being or doing something YOU don't think is healthy or right. There's no judgement on porn sites. People aren't being forced to watch something they don't want. I'd argue porn is one of the most accurate representations of actual sexual desires we have. I've known young women that were really into tranny or she-male porn. Is that not "healthy"? It's probably not too likely they'll find a outlet for that desire in the real world just due to statistics but one did end up marrying a guy whole loved to dress up and pretend to be a girl. Sexually they were a good match and totally "healthy". Of course there are exceptions, extremes, peer pressure, etc... but people succumb to peer pressure for many reasons. It's a flaw of the person, not the activity. Personally, I seldom get peer pressured into anything because I have confidence in myself, who I am and what I want. Stop labeling things as "healthy" or not. Any consensual (among all parties) sexual activity is "healthy" and to say otherwise is imposing your own morality.
Is this a far-right born again christian or a far-left feminist? I can't tell them apart these days.
Violent porn
Go ahead and watch a bunch of it at random, with careful attention to the actors faces - they're rarely good actors after all, and their faces tend to expose their actual feelings if you're not focused on other things. The men are generally enjoying themselves...
I have, and I dispute your claim. In modern porn especially, you rarely see the man's face at all. On the rare occasions when you do, he inevitably looks distant and unengaged. Which is an accurate reflection of his mental state, because he has to do that in order to perform long enough for the camera. Furthermore, if you've ever attempted the positions commonly seen in porn, you will quickly discover that male porn actors are incredibly strong, and/or have extremely high tolerance for pain. The poses they are required to achieve and hold in order to maintain camera visibility are so physically demanding that most people aren't capable of assuming them for more than a few seconds at a time. Yes, there are positions that put a physical strain on women in porn too, but in general the greatest muscular strain is borne by the man (or men, as the case may be).
Porn is indeed a poor depiction of average sex, but not because it is particularly tilted toward one sex or the other. It's a poor depiction because most of what happens in porn requires nontrivial athletic ability on the part of the participants. Real sex is much more like Shakespeare's "beast with two backs" than it is like modern porn, because the beast allows precious little visibility to a spectator, and because the vast majority of the population isn't physically capable of porn sex.
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Exactly - porn is an idealized fantasy - and one primarily targeting men at that.
There's nothing wrong in that in and of itself, where it becomes a problem though is when, in the absence of more comprehensive information, teenagers take porn to be representative of normal behavior. Now if everyone involved enjoys the activities, then no big deal, but I have women friends who allowed themselves to be subjected to pain and humiliation in their early relationships simply because they didn't know any better, and some still carry psychological scars that interfere with their full enjoyment of sex. THAT is a problem.
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Wow, this bill doesn't even mention erectile dysfunction?
There's at least some evidence that (a) if you use Internet porn, and (b) you constantly jump around looking for a more erotic image, and (c) do this over the course of years, it may contribute to erectile dysfunction. That experience is far more exciting than real-life sex, and can gradually re-wire the way your brain processes sexual stimulus (says the theory). There's a summary at yourbrainonporn.com, and thousands of men have joined the support forum at yourbrainrebalanced.com, trying to restore their erectile function. It's something to consider, if you can't get a strong erection from masturbation without porn.
But the bill is silent about that. The Utah governor isn't really trying to help people - he's just lunging forward with oppressive religious moralizing. SMH.
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When I haven't had a girlfriend (sadly, more often than not) I've been a frequent consumer of pornography as an aid to masturbation. When I do have a girlfriend, I don't use porn and only masturbate if we haven't been able to have sex in the last few days.
Some women are a bit mormonish/prudish, but many actually love sex and like to do it like a porn star.
Believe it or not, quite a few women enjoy gagging on a penis, being ejaculated on, pinned down and fucked hard and even being penetrated anally. My current girlfriend enjoys all of that, and I enjoy indulging her desires, but they're not things we do together all the time.
My point is that teens may not be choosing their own baseline. Peer pressure is forcing unhealthy choices on them.
This is hardly new though right?
I'm pretty sure every teenager ever in the last 10000 years heard the same lectures...
Unfortunately, the billions of dollars the porn industry spends to subvert scientific studies on its psychological and social effects have worked, and so now lots of people blithely say "there's nothing wrong with porn". And that's to say nothing of what are essentially slave-labor contracts that performers are shuffled into.
Check it out here: http://www.yourbrainonporn.com.... There is evidence in the latest Time magazine for porn induced erectile dysfunction. So, when you want to move on to real relationships check this out: https://porniskillingme.com/
Please show us 'crime stats' that cover law abiding gun owners.
I agree. Porn is exceedingly harmful. But what do I see but dozens of Americans absolutely outraged at the possibility of restrictions on their freedom to be as just as outrageously selfish and obnoxious as they wish.
Government, not "porn", can lay rightful claim to mountains of dead bodies, ruined lives, needlessly-incarcerated and persecuted humans.
Government that plays to the worst of puritanical fear-mongering knows no bounds. Mr. Herbert, have you no shame?
Porn is bad for you though, Google NoFap and just start reading. Such quick and readily accessible sexual imagery and all just a click away. An unnatural or at the very least uncommon or unusual sexual experience with many many many partners doing a variety of things of your hears immediate desire with immediate gratification is something that even the ancient Kings with harems of women would not have quite experienced.
This affects your minds and bodies such that regular normal sex is increasingly becoming dull and uninteresting to many. Cases of erectile dysfunction have gone up drastically at about the time the internet came into peoples homes because we have trained our bodies to adapt to this new sexual environment that is not realistic nor healthy.
Look, I am not religious, but this is plainly a problem. We did not evolve as a species to handle this. NoFap isn't so much about not masturbating as it is about abstaining from porn as it is unnatural and unhealthy for us to be functioning sexual adults. The fact that children are growing up with this is further exacerbating this problem. We need to return to our roots, learn from our ancestors and be one with nature and with each other. Stop looking at porn, make love, eat natural paleo diets, stop sanitizing everything.
I'm going to go jack off right now in protest.
Even nasty stuff like kiddie-porn does not cause mental health problems - it merely shows us where they already exist.
for the kid it sure as shit does
The IRS is the one organization that you don't want to fuck with. Remember, these are the guys who took down Al Capone.
Porn is an outlet for all people who choose to use it to alleviate hormonal drives. So as a health crisis it does impact reproduction because it represents an alternative to intended non-reproductive mutual masturbation, that does result in unintended reproduction. The health crisis is not the porn, the societal health crisis is the growing undesirability of reproduction.
The growing undesirability of reproduction is being fed by making more and more difficult for the majority to be a parent. Two factors in this difficulty, one the financial burden upon parents is crushing when combined with insane corporate politics seeking to strip mine the middle class out of existence. A smart person knows they can not afford to bring a child up on minimum wage. The second factor is one of responsibility, parents are responsible for bringing children into a world to feed the reproductive ego of the parents and that covers the state of the world in which those children will suffer, not having children saves them from that suffering, don't want your children to live in labour camps and be the slaves of corporations, don't have them.
So porn reduces hormonal drives that feed into accidental reproduction and as such is a symptom of the social crisis, the cause is of course corruption of the social structure making reproduction undesirables for anyone of intelligence. Now if you think fine, we can get by with the others reproducing, the less intellectual greed and power obsessed minority and the even less intellectual minimum wage class, well, good luck with that because it will collapse and likely at this stage of development result in extinction. There are sufficient number of aware individuals left in the establishment who are aware of this even though the majority of that establishment is now psychopathically only egoistically considered with them selves and are indifferent to the future suffering of their own grandchildren.
The most damaging protest you can do is to stop having children, to stop feeding slaves into the system, to stop giving them fuel to burn to feed their own ego and lusts. Just say no to reproduction, they are making it too hard, so stop.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
My intent was never to suggest that it is a health crisis - more of an education crisis if anything. I only intended to point out that, contrary to the original assertion that porn is,
>At most it is a symptom of people who have genuine mental health issues but the porn isn't the cause. Porn doesn't cause mental health issues.
it is in fact (within the current US cultural context) in and of itself creating genuine physical and emotional health problems for teenagers and others who don't know any better than to take it as an accurate representation of what sorts of sexual behavior they can reasonably expect from their partners (and can reasonably be expected of them). Some individuals are abusing others and/or allowing themselves to be abused in ways that cause lasting psychological scars, specifically because porn led them to believe that was normal.
--- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
Dude needs a good trolling and a strong laxative.
We need to declare a War On Porn.
or a War On Something...
Indications are that it is only those with genetic tendency, psychopath or narcissism that are influenced in the kind of disturbed manner in which they interact with others, the kind of abuse, rather than being abusive. For the rest, a preference for individual masturbation in versus mutual masturbation (of what ever combination) with accidental reproduction, sexually transmitted diseases as well as direct physical, emotional and economic risk and consequence, is altering reproductive patterns ensuring the rise of the idiocracy and final collapse. The out of control greed and ego of the 1% are making reproduction very undesirable for the only really productive group in society, the middle class. So it has become pron (free porn) in preference to reproductive risk and consequence. Those who seek to sexually emulate porn in an abusive fashion, would only be limited in their choice of abuse by their own sick imagination and would not avoid sexually abusing others (to control that you would need to detect them early and prevent them from harming others and of course prevent them from reproducing the problem, access to pornography has nothing to do with it).
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
A pornografia desregulariza o neurotransmissor da dopamina, e isso acarreta que o viciado sempre precisarà duma "dose" maior para poder sentir o prazer que havia sentido antes. Isso resulta em apatia por mulheres e homens de verdade ( com corpos normais ), disfunÃão erétil , deixando - o de se excitar por coisas normais, tendo sempre que aumentar a dose, até no caso de assistir sadomasoquismo, estupro por gay, porno com travesti etc. FaÃa uma anÃlise e veja a si prÃprio que gosta de conteÃdos porno grÃficos.
A pornografia desregulariza o neurotransmissor da dopamina, e isso acarreta que o viciado sempre precisarà duma "dose" maior para poder sentir o prazer que havia sentido antes. Isso resulta em apatia por mulheres e homens de verdade ( com corpos normais ), disfunÃão erétil , deixando - o de se excitar por coisas normais, tendo sempre que aumentar a dose, até no caso de assistir sadomasoquismo, estupro por gay, porno com travesti etc
Except I'm not talking about porn leading to pathological tendencies - I'm talking about porn leading to teenagers acting in ways they think are normal out of ignorance, and subjecting themselves and others to psychological and/or physical harm in the process.
It's akin to letting teenagers whose *only* exposure to automobiles or driving rules has been watching Hollywood chase scenes go for an unsupervised joyride. They're not going to *want* to hurt anyone, but they probably will, simply because they don't know any better and have a completely unrealistic idea of what responsible driving entails.
As for the rest, I'm not going to address it because it's completely off-topic to my point. But a word of advice? Drop the overcomplicated "non-reproductive mutual masturbation" and similarly verbose B.S. It's called recreational sex. Intentionally obfuscating your conversation doesn't make you sound smart, it makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about and are trying to hide it behind a wall of bullshit. And that's a shame, because you do seem to touch on some good points, but make them so difficult to parse that the first impulse is to dismiss you as an idiot.
Oh, and FYI there's another option that's just as effective as porn at opting out of reproduction, while still allowing the physical and emotional stimulation of a real partner, at least for men: vasectomies. And soon quite possibly Vasogel and its competitors if you're not 100% sure you want to opt out permanently - essentially a temporary(~10 years), safe, and easily reversible vasectomy. Not *quite* as effective, but it's looking to be at least as effective as the best female options (far less than 1% per year chance of pregnancy), without any of the hormonal side effects or other risks.
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I am going on record that this happened to me during my freshman introduction in college:
While explaining the school’s policy on consent, you needed explicit verbal permission to add any further intimacy to a sex act - and not “ooh yeah!”, you were expected to get your partner to say “Yes, Jeremy, you can take my bra off.” Any less, and you were at risk of being arrested by the campus police - yes, they had power of arrest - for sexual assault.
Further, the female could retroactively revoke consent.
Let me repeat that for emphasis - the female could retroactively revoke consent.
If she thought she had any grounds for feeling pressured, or she’d been drinking, or any circumstantial justification for not being at 100% at the time, she could have revoked consent retroactively, and set the campus cops on you, and congratulations - how’s it feel to be a rapist?
Yes, I am angry and bitter about the double standard during my formative years. And this was in the early oughties, so not far removed from now.
Not everyone hates sex as much as the Utah governor.