As most of the comments pointed out, there would be little interest in making IE more standards compliant.
What I see is a focus on bringing a MUCH more richer, Windows-only user experience on the internet. We will see applications being delivered on the internet. Not web pages. They would run on a.Net sandbox with as much security as a webpage or the once-upon-a-time java applets.
In fact, it is possible to run.Net 1.1 binaries off the internet, and they do not have permissions to access your local harddrive. If they do try, a security exception is triggered.
With Whidbey's click-once application deployment model, this will become more mainstream. With Longhorn's Avalon and XAML, the shift to a Windows only, multimedia and 3D rich user experience will be complete. Perhaps, since all of this would be integrated into the OS itself, it would seem much less a part of Internet Explorer.
Yes, that might be what they have in mind. As for the users, most of them would like the ultra-kewl interface compared to HTML documents.
Yeah, XUL can compete with this. But as Miguel Icaza pointed out, it will be hard competing against the tremendous distribution and deployment power of Microsoft.
I have been doing Windows development for quite some time now. Both low-level and applications(these days).
C will not die becoz, Most of the real high performance stuff is still written in C. Take Windows drivers for example. The only other option would be C++, but then when it gets down to that level you try to squeeze out every bit of performance. What I have noticed it that when you look at the complexity of writing a Windows device driver, the relative complexity of C versus C++ becomes a non-issue in most cases.
You cant write OS/drivers in bytecodes.
But: There is no point in a.Net C compiler. If you are writing applications its better to use Java or C# anyday. C code does become unmanageable(pun intented) as the project size increases. You need all of encapsulation and inheritance to avoid nightmares of one huge gorilla staring at you!
Maybe i exagerated when i said no point. Maybe for small projects, components that need to interoperate with the rest of.Net. But not for anything big.
I have a feeling that they have a working NT kernel on the G5. Since everyone is convinced that the G5 in a powerful architecture, this is a Microsofts insurance against the x86 platform being irrelevent.
I am wondering whether longhorn will target the Power5 series as well. Since most user applications would run on.Net it would be easier to do so now! Just add a Power5 native.Net runtime and most applications will simply run.
For myself, I would like to see the Power5 series becoming more widely used. And yes, with clones coming out. Not just apple g5s.
All this seems to be part of Microsofts grand vision to make truly multi-platform windows, with market share preservation policy based on.Net lock-in instead of a Windows lock-in.
Its interesting to note how slashdot user opinions change overtime. A few years back, capitalism and freedom were reigning supreme. Such protectionist policies werent really appreciated anywhere.
The US was the champion of capitalism, sometimes even arm twisting countries into opening their markets. Those that did so were endowed lavishly with grants and loans. Of course, opening markets and free economies lead to more social freedom too which would be better in the longer term.
But then, perhaps the US forgot the implications of free competition on their own economy. Suddenly americans want protectionist legislations. Outsourcing is the top-demon.
Ahh.... wouldnt it be better if americans would be courageous to just compete with the best of the rest and take head on their strengths? Well.. that is the freedom that 'you' championed.
Now when you look at what is happening in america, china and maybe what will happen in many other countries, are we going back to a milder version of socialism?
Disclaimer: I would have never been against protectionism for the sake of protecting jobs in any country. But then you worked so hard at doing away with that system. You promoted competition. Good. But dont get scared when it comes back at you!
Websites that used to use ASP + MTS will see great improvements in reliability and performance. What they won't see is a great improvement in scalability. That basically means transactional systems that were hard to maintain and difficult to develop previously on windows will be easier to build and maintain.
ASP.Net is one of the most scalable web platforms available. Which is why match.com(serving 30 million pages/day) uses ASP.Net. The whole system runs on around 40 servers, each balanced at 50% load. Microsoft's msn.com + microsoft.com get more hits than any other site in the world after yahoo. Based on the projects i ve worked on, we were able to achieve better scalability than anything I have seen in Java at a lower cost.
Large might be a transactional system that is message oriented and needs to handle 300-500 transactional messages a second, or requires distributed transactions.
You said you work with.Net on your day job! I cant believe you have no clue how to do distributed transactions on.Net. You can read the DistribTransaction sample source code that installs with.Net. Distributed Transaction support is very strong in.Net.
C# copied generics from C++ Wrong. Generics(templates) in c++ is more like macros. (You can read up on what i mean)
O/R bridge(JDO-CMP) This is not really as important as you claim it is. In any case, you will get equivalent functionality if you derive your data-related classes from a dataset.
There is no API for distributed clustered components like EJB session beans ahhh.... try remoting with IIS to achieve scalability and distributed performance.
MSMQ is only usable in the Microsoft world But.Net for the moment is supposed to be used on MS Windows
Java has a bunch of great open source tools for it like Eclipse and all its plugins not to mention the Jakarta project Considering Java had a headstart, and the equation between them right now, you see that.Net is catching fast. OpenSource tools for.NET. Consider SharpDevelop. Not enterprise quality. But usable. Enterprises and professionals can always afford Visual Studio.Net
Finally.net lacks real credibility in the enterprise You will be surprised at how many sites are turning to ASP.Net. I just met someone who told me that Infosys(large indian company employing 20000 people) ported their Core banking solution(Finacle) to C# using JLCA. Numerous otehr examples... just check google.
The company that I work for (biggest consulting shop in North America) has a strategy of using.net for quick several week hack jobs but the real projects are always done with J2EE. Simply means that there arent enough good.Net coders in your company.
I have just come back from Linux Bangalore 2003. One of the most striking things I noticed is that there is hardly any "hardline linux advocacy" at the venue. It focuses well on how linux would fit into today's computing environment, including interoperating with Microsoft Windows.
It is evident from the fact that Mono is given great prominence. Miguel De Icaza is speaking today as well as on friday. A top official from Microsoft (YES Microsoft!) is speaking on how Windows and Linux can co-exist.
In short, a very credible and organized meet of enthusiasts and business users. Hats off to the organizers!
Current indian rockets (PSLV and GSLV) which place a few tons into space already give them the long range missile tech know how. Its not weaponized right now (i believe).
and besides........ india has always stood for complete nuclear disarmament. The stated position is that once a NON-DESCRIMINATORY (not like npt) treaty is in place, it will give up nukes.
Btw.. i still cant understand the logic behind the reasoning that some countries have an inherent right to keep nuclear weapons, while the rest should live without them. Why dont we all give it up???
If all content could be encrypted ....
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Freenet 0.5.2 Released
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· Score: 2, Interesting
Computers should have encryption capabilities built into hardware
then...
All web servers would serve encrypted content..
All you mails would be encrypted...
All filesharing would be encrypted...
Perhaps this could be done if the modem/network interface had encryption built in. (Just that I wish they were standard)
Then we wont have to look at freenets and peek-a-booties for freedom.
Alrite guys..... now lets hit him at his weakness, with our strengths
His weakness - 1. Spammers aren't geeks. His knowledge abt computer security is probably as good as a chimpanzee's. 2. He uses Internet explorer (unpatched) 3. He uses MS Outlook
Our strengths - 1. We are aware of all outlook holes 2. Most of the IE holes.
SO...lets mail him the latest viruses, something that will wipe out his h-drive. Or maybe a trojan we can use to remotely login and clear his entire network.
I m talking abt a pro-active approach here. Blood for blood. Eye for eye.
In case you americans are too scared to do this, well....there are other ppl who could, and would. Im ready to go....
Some of you should understand that at some point you have to make substantial changes or let the system simply degenerate.
Apache2 includes a lot of changes, but some of them are really helpful.. The portable runtime (APR) for instance, which helps immensely with writing portable code. As much it is an integral part of the web server, it is part of some cross platform code i am writing.
Improved Windows support Lets not forget that there are many many admins simply frustrated with IIS, but have to stay on Windows as a matter of policy.
Better/More readable Code You will find out once you read the sources.
All this comes at absolutely no cost... Current users can keep using the same with absolutely no problem until the 3rd party modules are ready. And lets all not forget that most of the new source code is radically new, and maybe the developers saw no point in making it silly. Once the newer modules are ready, people will be using the best Apache there could be!
Anyway, who would use thunking when by doing so you lose all the advantages that you get out of the upgrade???
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This is being fought on two fronts
1. They(MS) have appealed the decision by the lower court in favor of Eolas.
2. The patent itself is under dispute.
The patent has so much negative consequences that even W3C is supporting the Microsoft case.
http://www.w3.org/2003/10/28-906-briefing
Hope the web stays intact.
As most of the comments pointed out, there would be little interest in making IE more standards compliant.
.Net sandbox with as much security as a webpage or the once-upon-a-time java applets.
.Net 1.1 binaries off the internet, and they do not have permissions to access your local harddrive. If they do try, a security exception is triggered.
What I see is a focus on bringing a MUCH more richer, Windows-only user experience on the internet. We will see applications being delivered on the internet. Not web pages. They would run on a
In fact, it is possible to run
With Whidbey's click-once application deployment model, this will become more mainstream. With Longhorn's Avalon and XAML, the shift to a Windows only, multimedia and 3D rich user experience will be complete. Perhaps, since all of this would be integrated into the OS itself, it would seem much less a part of Internet Explorer.
Yes, that might be what they have in mind. As for the users, most of them would like the ultra-kewl interface compared to HTML documents.
Yeah, XUL can compete with this. But as Miguel Icaza pointed out, it will be hard competing against the tremendous distribution and deployment power of Microsoft.
I have been doing Windows development for quite some time now. Both low-level and applications(these days).
.Net C compiler. If you are writing applications its better to use Java or C# anyday. C code does become unmanageable(pun intented) as the project size increases. You need all of encapsulation and inheritance to avoid nightmares of one huge gorilla staring at you!
.Net. But not for anything big.
C will not die becoz,
Most of the real high performance stuff is still written in C. Take Windows drivers for example. The only other option would be C++, but then when it gets down to that level you try to squeeze out every bit of performance. What I have noticed it that when you look at the complexity of writing a Windows device driver, the relative complexity of C versus C++ becomes a non-issue in most cases.
You cant write OS/drivers in bytecodes.
But:
There is no point in a
Maybe i exagerated when i said no point. Maybe for small projects, components that need to interoperate with the rest of
I used to use DMF formatted floppies a long time ago. You could fit in abt 1.72MB into a standard 1.44 floppy. I guess there was a 1.68MB format too.
Earlier MS Software used to come in DMF format. To make your own DMF floppies you can use WinImage 2.2+.
Oh... i dont think this information would help anyone. Just a little historical perspective. I havent seen a DMF formatted floppy in the last 5 years.
True!
.Net it would be easier to do so now! Just add a Power5 native .Net runtime and most applications will simply run.
.Net lock-in instead of a Windows lock-in.
I have a feeling that they have a working NT kernel on the G5. Since everyone is convinced that the G5 in a powerful architecture, this is a Microsofts insurance against the x86 platform being irrelevent.
I am wondering whether longhorn will target the Power5 series as well. Since most user applications would run on
For myself, I would like to see the Power5 series becoming more widely used. And yes, with clones coming out. Not just apple g5s.
All this seems to be part of Microsofts grand vision to make truly multi-platform windows, with market share preservation policy based on
Its interesting to note how slashdot user opinions change overtime. A few years back, capitalism and freedom were reigning supreme. Such protectionist policies werent really appreciated anywhere.
.... wouldnt it be better if americans would be courageous to just compete with the best of the rest and take head on their strengths? .. that is the freedom that 'you' championed.
The US was the champion of capitalism, sometimes even arm twisting countries into opening their markets. Those that did so were endowed lavishly with grants and loans. Of course, opening markets and free economies lead to more social freedom too which would be better in the longer term.
But then, perhaps the US forgot the implications of free competition on their own economy. Suddenly americans want protectionist legislations. Outsourcing is the top-demon.
Ahh
Well
Now when you look at what is happening in america, china and maybe what will happen in many other countries, are we going back to a milder version of socialism?
Disclaimer: I would have never been against protectionism for the sake of protecting jobs in any country. But then you worked so hard at doing away with that system. You promoted competition. Good. But dont get scared when it comes back at you!
Who modded this interesting!
.Net on your day job! I cant believe you have no clue how to do distributed transactions on .Net. You can read the DistribTransaction sample source code that installs with .Net. Distributed Transaction support is very strong in .Net.
Websites that used to use ASP + MTS will see great improvements in reliability and performance. What they won't see is a great improvement in scalability. That basically means transactional systems that were hard to maintain and difficult to develop previously on windows will be easier to build and maintain.
ASP.Net is one of the most scalable web platforms available. Which is why match.com(serving 30 million pages/day) uses ASP.Net. The whole system runs on around 40 servers, each balanced at 50% load. Microsoft's msn.com + microsoft.com get more hits than any other site in the world after yahoo. Based on the projects i ve worked on, we were able to achieve better scalability than anything I have seen in Java at a lower cost.
Large might be a transactional system that is message oriented and needs to handle 300-500 transactional messages a second, or requires distributed transactions.
You said you work with
C# copied generics from C++
.... try remoting with IIS to achieve scalability and distributed performance.
.Net for the moment is supposed to be used on MS Windows
.Net is catching fast. OpenSource tools for .NET. Consider SharpDevelop. Not enterprise quality. But usable. Enterprises and professionals can always afford Visual Studio.Net
.net lacks real credibility in the enterprise ... just check google.
.net for quick several week hack jobs but the real projects are always done with J2EE. .Net coders in your company.
Wrong. Generics(templates) in c++ is more like macros. (You can read up on what i mean)
O/R bridge(JDO-CMP)
This is not really as important as you claim it is. In any case, you will get equivalent functionality if you derive your data-related classes from a dataset.
There is no API for distributed clustered components like EJB session beans
ahhh
MSMQ is only usable in the Microsoft world
But
Java has a bunch of great open source tools for it like Eclipse and all its plugins not to mention the Jakarta project
Considering Java had a headstart, and the equation between them right now, you see that
Finally
You will be surprised at how many sites are turning to ASP.Net. I just met someone who told me that Infosys(large indian company employing 20000 people) ported their Core banking solution(Finacle) to C# using JLCA. Numerous otehr examples
The company that I work for (biggest consulting shop in North America) has a strategy of using
Simply means that there arent enough good
I have just come back from Linux Bangalore 2003. One of the most striking things I noticed is that there is hardly any "hardline linux advocacy" at the venue. It focuses well on how linux would fit into today's computing environment, including interoperating with Microsoft Windows.
It is evident from the fact that Mono is given great prominence. Miguel De Icaza is speaking today as well as on friday. A top official from Microsoft (YES Microsoft!) is speaking on how Windows and Linux can co-exist.
In short, a very credible and organized meet of enthusiasts and business users. Hats off to the organizers!
Current indian rockets (PSLV and GSLV) which place a few tons into space already give them the long range missile tech know how. Its not weaponized right now (i believe).
..... ... india has always stood for complete nuclear disarmament. The stated position is that once a NON-DESCRIMINATORY (not like npt) treaty is in place, it will give up nukes.
.. i still cant understand the logic behind the reasoning that some countries have an inherent right to keep nuclear weapons, while the rest should live without them. Why dont we all give it up???
and besides
Btw
Computers should have encryption capabilities built into hardware
...
then
All web servers would serve encrypted content..
All you mails would be encrypted...
All filesharing would be encrypted...
Perhaps this could be done if the modem/network interface had encryption built in. (Just that I wish they were standard)
Then we wont have to look at freenets and peek-a-booties for freedom.
Alrite guys ..... now lets hit him at his weakness, with our strengths
....there are other ppl who could, and would. Im ready to go ....
His weakness -
1. Spammers aren't geeks. His knowledge abt computer security is probably as good as a chimpanzee's.
2. He uses Internet explorer (unpatched)
3. He uses MS Outlook
Our strengths -
1. We are aware of all outlook holes
2. Most of the IE holes.
SO...lets mail him the latest viruses, something that will wipe out his h-drive. Or maybe a trojan we can use to remotely login and clear his entire network.
I m talking abt a pro-active approach here. Blood for blood. Eye for eye.
In case you americans are too scared to do this, well
The last week reading slashdot will convince u India is majorly into Linux. *Being and Indian* lemme tell you, this isnt happening here.
The main reason is
1. Piracy is rampant here. Ms Win costs Rs.0($0)
2. Both being free, Windows is easier to use.
3. Tools(MS VStudio) is also free.
All the stories u see in slashdot are exxagerated.
95% of developers in India target MS Win.
thats it. simple.
Some of you should understand that at some point you have to make substantial changes or let the system simply degenerate.
...
Apache2 includes a lot of changes, but some of them are really helpful..
The portable runtime (APR) for instance, which helps immensely with writing portable code. As much it is an integral part of the web server, it is part of some cross platform code i am writing.
Improved Windows support
Lets not forget that there are many many admins simply frustrated with IIS, but have to stay on Windows as a matter of policy.
Better/More readable Code
You will find out once you read the sources.
All this comes at absolutely no cost
Current users can keep using the same with absolutely no problem until the 3rd party modules are ready. And lets all not forget that most of the new source code is radically new, and maybe the developers saw no point in making it silly. Once the newer modules are ready, people will be using the best Apache there could be!
Anyway, who would use thunking when by doing so you lose all the advantages that you get out of the upgrade???