I find designing pages with xmlHttpRequest intensely fun and more like good old fashioned application programming. Do yourself a favor and try it out.
Oddly enough your comment contradicts the original poster's sentiment. This buzzword is going to be dropped around a lot for months to come because people are pimping the technology (which, while not being new, is finally widespread enough to make use of it... oh and has a handle).
It's another wave of excitement over a newly discovered technology and buzzword overuse is just a side effect.
I just re-implemented a device location tracker using AJaX at worked and I must say that I'm pretty psyched about what else I can do with it. Gotta break out the ECMA specs again.
I'm sorry. I live in SC. 45 mins from where Deliverance was filmed. That isn't prejudicial. That's insight to real-life bigotry (which is what I was mocking, not Montana--thank you very much).
okay okay okay... all knee jerk and mob behavior reactions aside, swearing is part of informal human expression. How many people do you know who say that swearing is unnecessary but never the less exclaim fillers like "frick, friggin', geez, crap, son-of-a-bicuit, etc.."? Those are cheap knock-offs to words that have been used carefully to earn their stigma. Self-censorship around kids is another matter, I'll give you that.
That was one of the most honestly short-sighted, prejudicial remarks I've seen in a while.
"sumwon sed da Arr-werd. get da gun."
Barring the fact that this guy is over-the-top geek and his material is available for free in mp3 format, both of which you would have found out if you would have just done some.. i don't know.. reading, he's also outside of the whole mainstream/MTV circle that you are accusing this article of being a part of.
Ironically you probably don't even look outside of the mainstream to get a sample of the genre... or any genre for that matter. Which is why you've never heard of him.
It's very difficult to take seriously someone named "FudgePackinJesus." But I'll try.:)
Understandable. It's fun to find people who pay attention to details (not that I'm one of those people myself).
The scenario you paint seems to be very plausible. No doubt the regular-press will spin the elections as a victory for democracy (shallow patriotism seems to be in vogue these days). It also seems as tho' the republicans are vying for a prompt pull-out (almost as if they trying to run-away from the Vietnam analogy just so that they wont give credence to the anti-war camp's predictions--sickening). But a full extraction in February isn't in the cards, IMO.
The risk is just too great for a rash move like that. Even with this new administration who completely live in opposite-land, there's enough rationality from the DoD to higly advise against that. (did I just describe the DoD as rational? the end is nigh.)
I will say that the number of deployed will either not change or even reduce in February. To the point of posturing for Iran is seems to be on the fringes in the realm of possibilities. At least within the near future.
Besides, I'm wondering if Iran, and "spreading freedom" isn't a red-herring in this term. It seems the real, but subtle, focus of the next four years is the attack on social issues that the moral right has been dreaming of since 1992.
-- Nov. 2, 2004 - Giving new meaning to the term "*simple* majority".
Interesting analysis. I would agree with you one-hundred percent except, as somebody else has pointed out, the elections aren't going to be too succesfull. There will be enough of a vote to legitimize the upcoming caretaker government but most sunnis just wont participate (that's up to thirty percent). That mixed in with the insolence of the sunni leadership is enough to coagulate sunni sentiment to support a very real civil war.
Because Iraq will be on the brink of civil war for years to come there will not, should not, be a full pullout of American power.
If the administration does pullout early (within your timeline) to seek operations in Iran then the support for it, given the failure of both Iraq and Afghanistan, will be dismal at best. Throw in the fact that because of these conflicts the terrorist organizations have the best training scenarios in the world--facing the US military and black ops devices, the cold reality that we will be more at risk will come to light and people will be less inclined to give Dari and Farsi speaking terrorists the same kinds of opportunities.
I'm sorry Cooper, pimpin' linux tech is oldschool/. style.
If a story isn't about CPUs, SCO, the DMCA, Games, or Linus himself then it doesn't make it any less interesting. It's people bitching about content like this that's been making Slashdot into another mindless web portal.
In fact, it's little jems like this that keep the saturation of the same old crap from being too much.
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If I haven't heard of it before then it's news to me.
I don't fully understand the implications of what KDE supports but I suspect your example isn't the best way to champion it.
I have a sneaky suspicion from the comments so far that you're right. I mention ftp and everyone highlights equivalents in their favorite environment strictly for FTP not remembering from the article that you can use ftp, sftp, smb, nfs, lan, nntp, webdav, et al.
More and more I learn that the changes between Win2K and XP weren't just superficial. I must confess that the XP team did a lot of things right with that release. Hooray for competition! =]
If it weren't for Firefox would IE be getting the facelift it's getting now?
Well, you can, from any Explorer window use ftp:// or http://
To be sure, but that comment also highlights the other point of the article which is that there is a plethora supported protocols beyond just the simple http://, ftp://, etc.
That and Windows misses the mark raised by an earlier comment of having to know the full url to open a particular document. KDE allows a path prefix to be entered in what Windows calls the "Look in:" field of the open dialog. KDE will open the directory and then allow for regular point and click browsing of that file repository. Not to mention that the feature is sparsely implemented Windows (Notepad sure didn't do it for me) and the default FTP handler in windows was terrible up to Win2k (the latest version I have installed anywhere).
And when you save the document, does it prompt you to save locally?
We can agree that Windows is frustrating. I think we can also agree that open source competition is good for all players.
Geez... thirteen comments in and nothing positive to say about what the guy had to say. The fact of the matter is that on built in network transparency, KDE has no equal.
You don't really appreciate it until you use it and then forced to work without it. I present a real world example: a colleague wants some help with the IE CSS scrollbar colors. I open up KWrite, the "simple" text editor, select "Open" from the "File" and plug in the FTP url, with embedded password and all, into the open file dialog. A half a second later I was browsing their directory structure point-and-click in the open file dialog. I find the ".css" file and open it in the editor. I then make my simple changes and hit CTRL-S. The file was saved and uploaded back onto the web server in one simple keystroke combo. And that was it. Mind you all of this was done in KDE's most trivial of text editors and this feature is part of the desktop architecture meaning all KDE apps can employ this feature.
Try doing something like that with the default install of Windows/MacOSX/Be/whathaveyou. And that was the simplest of examples of the network transparency within KDE.
And that's just the network transparency aspect of it. The KIO architecture allows for some really amazing features on the local side as well. If you don't already know about the audiocd:/ slave then look it up or even use it. It will blow your mind.
Don't just take my word for it. Try it before you bash it. Please.
I really hope that, with this post, this is a hint of things to come at/.
I really think that overall feel of slashdot has changed and not necessarily for the better. I'd really like to see kernel releases, Gnome & KDE flamewars, Quickies, obscure language write-ups and everything else that made/. special in the past make it to the front page again. Instead we're getting game reviews, movie reviews and politics. Sounds more like a mainstream news source now, doesn't it?
The buzz of the open source world fell flat the last couple of years. I really hope it wasn't because of the market crash and that the core of the excitement wasn't the dream of cashing out by installing linux everywhere.
Open source, I think most people still don't realize, is the source of true power in speech in this day and age. If it wasn't for projects like Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/Perl/Python, etc. the web would be dominated by large corporations who would be the only ones capable of paying the large sums of cash for web-service software that would have no doubt been that most expensive software out if not for the free-as-in-beer-speech competition. Open source bestowed the average man a voice in the newest of media channels.
I truely hope the energy & excitement due to that fact never leaves... especially here on Slashdot. The editors shouldn't let the tagline "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." limit the vibe/. gave off before because, at the end of the day, that's all it is. A tagline.
This is a jab at the credibility of selling Linux installed machines to protect the perpetuation of the Windows tax. The report is pumped into the media channel to implant the idea that selling Linux installed PCs is a bad idea because the users are just going to install pirated Windows anyway. The same thing happened with "Bare" or "Naked" PCs a couple of years back. That's why only way you can get a box without anything on the hard drive is nearly impossible without building your own.
Just because the figures are true doesn't mean there aren't ulterior motives for a report to be funded to bring those numbers to light.
I'm not being condescending but you haven't read that much Graham, have you? In Paul's ideal world every problem worth solving would be solved with Lisp and the only other languages would be domain specific languages related to the specific application.
He is, for lack of a better term at the moment, a Lisp whore.
Neat. Thanks for the link. I got interested in ObjC when I first installed windowmaker a couple of years ago. I think the message syntax (method invocation) looked too alien for me at the time but now after trying to learn a couple of more languages I can get past that now. Functional languages are really interesting to use too. OCaml's use of cutting edge programming concepts: type inference; pattern-matching; robust types (allowing functions to return multiple values via tuples) makes for one of the most concise natively-compiled languages I've ever seen.
But in regards to your second thought, I wasn't trying to imply that C++ was the end all be all language (...oh good lord no). Just that for TrollTech, at time when they started, it was the right tool for the job. Just as the MOC is the right tool for the job to implement a very slick object communication mechanism. I just becomes very hard to watch other programmers pine for a "elegant" replacement where all of the faculties are provided by the language with an ideal API meanwhile forgetting that any complex system, such as a GUI toolkit, is going to develop quirks and work-arounds over time.
This is why TrollTech should be commended because they are making highly stable tools (moc turns out to be very easy to get along with) that work around the limitations of the language without being too intrusive to the language (think MFC message maps, glib, and GTK upcast macros here) and they have always strived for source, and even binary, compatability when reworking large portions of their API because they realize the value of just extending a tried and true codebase (something Joel Spolsky enlightened all of us to with this peice).
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I find designing pages with xmlHttpRequest intensely fun and more like good old fashioned application programming. Do yourself a favor and try it out.
Oddly enough your comment contradicts the original poster's sentiment. This buzzword is going to be dropped around a lot for months to come because people are pimping the technology (which, while not being new, is finally widespread enough to make use of it... oh and has a handle).
It's another wave of excitement over a newly discovered technology and buzzword overuse is just a side effect.
I just re-implemented a device location tracker using AJaX at worked and I must say that I'm pretty psyched about what else I can do with it. Gotta break out the ECMA specs again.
Wow, French Stewart came up with AJaX. Awesome!
On the other hand, Ajax does sound like an interesting meat byproduct.
So does "Spam".
Don't forget Aceyalone, Curse ov Dialect (mainly Vulky), Abstract Rude, DJ Qbert (cliched but still good) and Danger Mouse (but not the grey album).
;)
Working on a guitar tapped version of "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor".
And this isn't prejudicial?
I'm sorry. I live in SC. 45 mins from where Deliverance was filmed. That isn't prejudicial. That's insight to real-life bigotry (which is what I was mocking, not Montana--thank you very much).
okay okay okay... all knee jerk and mob behavior reactions aside, swearing is part of informal human expression. How many people do you know who say that swearing is unnecessary but never the less exclaim fillers like "frick, friggin', geez, crap, son-of-a-bicuit, etc.."? Those are cheap knock-offs to words that have been used carefully to earn their stigma. Self-censorship around kids is another matter, I'll give you that.
That was one of the most honestly short-sighted, prejudicial remarks I've seen in a while.
"sumwon sed da Arr-werd. get da gun."
Barring the fact that this guy is over-the-top geek and his material is available for free in mp3 format, both of which you would have found out if you would have just done some.. i don't know.. reading, he's also outside of the whole mainstream/MTV circle that you are accusing this article of being a part of.
Ironically you probably don't even look outside of the mainstream to get a sample of the genre... or any genre for that matter. Which is why you've never heard of him.
It's very difficult to take seriously someone named "FudgePackinJesus." But I'll try. :)
Understandable. It's fun to find people who pay attention to details (not that I'm one of those people myself).
The scenario you paint seems to be very plausible. No doubt the regular-press will spin the elections as a victory for democracy (shallow patriotism seems to be in vogue these days). It also seems as tho' the republicans are vying for a prompt pull-out (almost as if they trying to run-away from the Vietnam analogy just so that they wont give credence to the anti-war camp's predictions--sickening). But a full extraction in February isn't in the cards, IMO.
The risk is just too great for a rash move like that. Even with this new administration who completely live in opposite-land, there's enough rationality from the DoD to higly advise against that. (did I just describe the DoD as rational? the end is nigh.)
I will say that the number of deployed will either not change or even reduce in February. To the point of posturing for Iran is seems to be on the fringes in the realm of possibilities. At least within the near future.
Besides, I'm wondering if Iran, and "spreading freedom" isn't a red-herring in this term. It seems the real, but subtle, focus of the next four years is the attack on social issues that the moral right has been dreaming of since 1992.
--
Nov. 2, 2004 - Giving new meaning to the term "*simple* majority".
Interesting analysis. I would agree with you one-hundred percent except, as somebody else has pointed out, the elections aren't going to be too succesfull. There will be enough of a vote to legitimize the upcoming caretaker government but most sunnis just wont participate (that's up to thirty percent). That mixed in with the insolence of the sunni leadership is enough to coagulate sunni sentiment to support a very real civil war.
Because Iraq will be on the brink of civil war for years to come there will not, should not, be a full pullout of American power.
If the administration does pullout early (within your timeline) to seek operations in Iran then the support for it, given the failure of both Iraq and Afghanistan, will be dismal at best. Throw in the fact that because of these conflicts the terrorist organizations have the best training scenarios in the world--facing the US military and black ops devices, the cold reality that we will be more at risk will come to light and people will be less inclined to give Dari and Farsi speaking terrorists the same kinds of opportunities.
Stimpy couldn't resist "The Red, Shiney, CANDY-LIKE Button!!"
What a boon that will be, almost as good as the Y2K gold rush!
Yeah, until SCOX runs out of cash and then proclaims the whole fiasco as the big mean ol' software giant beating up the little guy.
All of the Lisp hackers have been left out. What I don't understand is why not even the mention of Paul Graham (bayesian spam filtering, yahoo stores) or Peter Norvig (AIAMA & PAIP).
I'm sorry Cooper, pimpin' linux tech is oldschool /. style.
If a story isn't about CPUs, SCO, the DMCA, Games, or Linus himself then it doesn't make it any less interesting. It's people bitching about content like this that's been making Slashdot into another mindless web portal.
In fact, it's little jems like this that keep the saturation of the same old crap from being too much.
If I haven't heard of it before then it's news to me.
"Law and Order vs CSI" flamewars
I don't fully understand the implications of what KDE supports but I suspect your example isn't the best way to champion it.
I have a sneaky suspicion from the comments so far that you're right. I mention ftp and everyone highlights equivalents in their favorite environment strictly for FTP not remembering from the article that you can use ftp, sftp, smb, nfs, lan, nntp, webdav, et al.
KDE's I/O slaves are not real filesystems and are not accessible by all applications.
Somewhere the faint cry of agreement from the three HURD developers is heard.
More and more I learn that the changes between Win2K and XP weren't just superficial. I must confess that the XP team did a lot of things right with that release. Hooray for competition! =]
If it weren't for Firefox would IE be getting the facelift it's getting now?
Food for though...
Well, you can, from any Explorer window use ftp:// or http://
To be sure, but that comment also highlights the other point of the article which is that there is a plethora supported protocols beyond just the simple http://, ftp://, etc.
That and Windows misses the mark raised by an earlier comment of having to know the full url to open a particular document. KDE allows a path prefix to be entered in what Windows calls the "Look in:" field of the open dialog. KDE will open the directory and then allow for regular point and click browsing of that file repository. Not to mention that the feature is sparsely implemented Windows (Notepad sure didn't do it for me) and the default FTP handler in windows was terrible up to Win2k (the latest version I have installed anywhere).
And when you save the document, does it prompt you to save locally?
We can agree that Windows is frustrating. I think we can also agree that open source competition is good for all players.
Geez... thirteen comments in and nothing positive to say about what the guy had to say. The fact of the matter is that on built in network transparency, KDE has no equal.
You don't really appreciate it until you use it and then forced to work without it. I present a real world example: a colleague wants some help with the IE CSS scrollbar colors. I open up KWrite, the "simple" text editor, select "Open" from the "File" and plug in the FTP url, with embedded password and all, into the open file dialog. A half a second later I was browsing their directory structure point-and-click in the open file dialog. I find the ".css" file and open it in the editor. I then make my simple changes and hit CTRL-S. The file was saved and uploaded back onto the web server in one simple keystroke combo. And that was it. Mind you all of this was done in KDE's most trivial of text editors and this feature is part of the desktop architecture meaning all KDE apps can employ this feature.
Try doing something like that with the default install of Windows/MacOSX/Be/whathaveyou. And that was the simplest of examples of the network transparency within KDE.
And that's just the network transparency aspect of it. The KIO architecture allows for some really amazing features on the local side as well. If you don't already know about the audiocd:/ slave then look it up or even use it. It will blow your mind.
Don't just take my word for it. Try it before you bash it. Please.
I really hope that, with this post, this is a hint of things to come at /.
/. special in the past make it to the front page again. Instead we're getting game reviews, movie reviews and politics. Sounds more like a mainstream news source now, doesn't it?
/. gave off before because, at the end of the day, that's all it is. A tagline.
I really think that overall feel of slashdot has changed and not necessarily for the better. I'd really like to see kernel releases, Gnome & KDE flamewars, Quickies, obscure language write-ups and everything else that made
The buzz of the open source world fell flat the last couple of years. I really hope it wasn't because of the market crash and that the core of the excitement wasn't the dream of cashing out by installing linux everywhere.
Open source, I think most people still don't realize, is the source of true power in speech in this day and age. If it wasn't for projects like Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/Perl/Python, etc. the web would be dominated by large corporations who would be the only ones capable of paying the large sums of cash for web-service software that would have no doubt been that most expensive software out if not for the free-as-in-beer-speech competition. Open source bestowed the average man a voice in the newest of media channels.
I truely hope the energy & excitement due to that fact never leaves... especially here on Slashdot. The editors shouldn't let the tagline "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." limit the vibe
This is a jab at the credibility of selling Linux installed machines to protect the perpetuation of the Windows tax. The report is pumped into the media channel to implant the idea that selling Linux installed PCs is a bad idea because the users are just going to install pirated Windows anyway. The same thing happened with "Bare" or "Naked" PCs a couple of years back. That's why only way you can get a box without anything on the hard drive is nearly impossible without building your own.
Just because the figures are true doesn't mean there aren't ulterior motives for a report to be funded to bring those numbers to light.
Well then...
The set designer for Tron must have been a genius.
Need I say more?
I'm not being condescending but you haven't read that much Graham, have you? In Paul's ideal world every problem worth solving would be solved with Lisp and the only other languages would be domain specific languages related to the specific application.
;)
He is, for lack of a better term at the moment, a Lisp whore.
Mad props tho' for rep'in' brainfuck
Neat. Thanks for the link. I got interested in ObjC when I first installed windowmaker a couple of years ago. I think the message syntax (method invocation) looked too alien for me at the time but now after trying to learn a couple of more languages I can get past that now. Functional languages are really interesting to use too. OCaml's use of cutting edge programming concepts: type inference; pattern-matching; robust types (allowing functions to return multiple values via tuples) makes for one of the most concise natively-compiled languages I've ever seen.
But in regards to your second thought, I wasn't trying to imply that C++ was the end all be all language (...oh good lord no). Just that for TrollTech, at time when they started, it was the right tool for the job. Just as the MOC is the right tool for the job to implement a very slick object communication mechanism. I just becomes very hard to watch other programmers pine for a "elegant" replacement where all of the faculties are provided by the language with an ideal API meanwhile forgetting that any complex system, such as a GUI toolkit, is going to develop quirks and work-arounds over time.
This is why TrollTech should be commended because they are making highly stable tools (moc turns out to be very easy to get along with) that work around the limitations of the language without being too intrusive to the language (think MFC message maps, glib, and GTK upcast macros here) and they have always strived for source, and even binary, compatability when reworking large portions of their API because they realize the value of just extending a tried and true codebase (something Joel Spolsky enlightened all of us to with this peice).
Good times.