if you want something private, don't put it on the internet
if you want a private conversation, walk with the person on a beach
everything else is subject to snooping, and not just by the government. there are other less savory entities out there that can pilfer your information
so if its important, just keep it off the wires. this is a complete shortcircuiting of all of the legal arguments
because even if you successfully clamped down on the government across all legal avenues, the government really is the least of your worries in terms of who can snoop on you and why. there is no protection that works except your own attempts to secure your data. that's your job, not the government's
there's people reading this comment who buy guns because they don't trust the government to protect them. so why would anyone trust the government to protect their privacy online?
protect yourself with your own protocols for how and when and what is disclosed over a wire. this shortcircuits all the needless legal arguments, since the potential list of online snoopers does not begin nor end with your friendly local government bureaucrat
and therefore, it makes sense that it is also different legally
moving bits around is completely unlike moving pieces of paper around, in all sorts of fundamentally significant ways, with all sort of implications and ramifications for how society does work, could work, and should work
i've seen bike messengers pedal up fast to delivery trucks
then HANG ON. we're talking 30-40 mph, dense city traffic
can't imagine what the hell they are thinking. i mean if that truck driver hits the brakes fast...
then again i used to room with a bike messenger when i lived in brooklyn, and every other week he would bring home some new constellation of bruises (car doors, etc)
however, i think toronto bike messengers beat new york city bike messengers in the abuse department: one guy held onto a car which swiped him, and the car driver purposefully tried to brush the guy off... into a mailbox, killing him. the car driver was ontario's ex-attorney general who made his name being tough on street racing!
who the hell is supposed to know the difference between a joke and serious intent? the subject is serious. no one should be joking about it. anyone "joking" about bombing an airplane in an airport is a complete moron or a genuine terrorist or a crazy person. in all 3 cases, the police SHOULD show up. no one can tell the difference between the 3 people with a magic wand genius
its a direct, unavoidable consequence of the rise of the internet
ip laws only make sense when they are a gentleman's agreement among a handful of publishers. they are completely unenforceable when every teenager in his basement is a publisher to anyone else at zero cost, for anything you want
the wise thing for costa rica to do is simply agree to whatever the usa demands ip law wise. and then its business as usual. which is: everything is available with no ip restrictions to anyone remotely familiar with a computer console
enforcement is impossible, even for the usa within its own borders, so who fucking cares what the lawyers and bureaucrats and corporations say? they've already been routed around
i'm not saying you shouldn't get upset at the arrogance and the audacity of the american demands, i'm saying a bully making demands without any actual ability to follow through on his threats is nothing you have to pay any respect to
you simply pay the asshole lip service, put a big smile on your face, say "yes" to whatever the asshole wants, and then its business as usual, which is: ip laws mean nothing. all of the posturing and threats and demands mean nothing. there's NO ENFORCEMENT POSSIBLE
let all the corporate lawyers, midlevel bureaucrats amd other pointless yammering meat popsicles create all the ip laws and agreements they want
WHO FUCKING CARES. they can't enforce any of it. its the internet age. this is not vhs copy machines in a warehouse or cd duplicators in the closet. you can't shut down the internet
people: stop getting upset at these retards trying to enforce laws from a previous technological era and just igore them and their petty demands without any muscle behind them. they can't stop technological change. they are defunct, they just don't know it
there's no erosion of rights or privacy! the guy posted on TWITTER, as in PUBLIC ACCESS. where is this erosion of rights you complain about? where is the erosion of privacy? if you say "i am going to bomb an airplane" in public, expect your ass to be punished. on what grounds can this possibly be a problem for anyone, i don't know
those who complain the loudest complain about everything, without regard of logical coherence about what they are complaining about
truly you won't deny the existence of such people
as for the movie, its a mark of shame at this point, about it being unfinished. but i can't change my sig, or i have admitted even more humbling defeat
are also complaining that the christmas crotch bomber was not caught. damned if you do, damned if you don't
the moron made bomb threats at the airport on a social networking site. please explain to me exactly how this is orwellian, intrusive, yro, or any other pseudo-intellectual reference you cling to other than simple common fucking sense: don't make fucking bomb threats at the fucking airport
or you will, and should, be arrested. what exactly is so controversial or shocking about this to you? it seems like a slam dunk to me
he didn't use putty to rearrange files on his private server from his iphone, HE POSTED ON TWITTER. you know, public fucking feed? do you understand that any of you pseudo-intellectual twits whining about orwell?
btw the use of the word "orwellian" has become so knee-jerk here it is no longer a signifier for thoughtfulness any more, but a replacement for thought. that particular fantasy's sell-by date passed away sometime in the cold war. please update your literary references. parrotting ORWELL" *cough* "ORWELL" every fucking time yro comes up that at this point it only makes you look like a vaguely functioning junior high school student. now if you mention LITTLE brother: every kid with a cell phone camera RECORDING THE ABUSES OF THE POLICE (how's that for a twist?), then you've impressed me with an updated modern intellectual repertoire. i want to hear less "orwell", more "rodney king":
what do they lose? they may make more money via online advertising than their current salaries. and if they don't, who cares? the life style is: a laptop. thats it. that's your expense for reaching the same audience you did with the new york times
all of the old big media organizations are just going to be dissolved anad atomized by the web. news and reproting will still continue, but your relationships will be with individual trusted reporters, not organizations. its a superior model
where the random internet troll heavily bashes some of the most successful politicians/ directors/ writers/ musicians/ businessmen/ programmers/ etc
based on his vast reserves of authority, based on his obvious advanced knowledge of a given genre
you don't have to like cameron, but he's obviously extremely successful and knowledgeable. and you are...?
and then it gets modded 5, Insightful! LOL
hilarious
its the great useless ignorant mass of human drek, moved to its great unifying passion: tearing other people down in howling unison
moronic mindless internet hate is the great dependable resource of our generation. lets put it to political work, harness it for power! oh wait, the tea baggers beat me to it...;-P
some of you loud negative losers: why don't you try for once in your life actually making a small positive effort on your own? and redeem your sorry pathetic asses
this is your chance to bash this comment. you do it SO well. its all you know how to do, mindless negative feedback, to everything vaguely positive in your empty pointless lives
ready to plead fealty to whatever entity promises them the most convenience and security"
this is true of every society on this planet, and every society that ever existed, and any society that ever will exist. its the trailing end of the bell curve, what can you do? so you don't have to like the usa, but don't single out the usa for the crimes of humanity itself
i'm an american, and i can have an open rational discussion of the benefits/ failures of communism, socialism, capitalism, libertarianism, marxism, authoritarianism, bring it on
oh, there's one more problem with humanity you should know about, that is not unique to the usa: the kind of person who over-generalizes and prejudicially judges an entire race or country, just because of the sins of a few loud few
you wouldn't perchance know an example of such a person's words, would you?;-)
they are all control freaks. every society has control freaks. its psychologically inevitable that a regular dribble in any society will consist of zealous control freaks absolutely fearful of losing control over... who knows what. their bowels i guess. its the trailing end of the bell curve, what can you do? just look at all these low iq tea bagger morons in the usa. too bad their so goddamn loud
they all rally around a banner, and the banner is always the magical past. the real past was full of just as much sin/ apostasy/ disharmony, whatever drives them nuts. but in their historical myopia, these conservative, communist, and fundamentalist assholes believe for some reason that going backwards in time will make the world a better place. you know, when we had open slavery, frequent starvation, deadly pandemics, etc
right now, the dutch and swedish government are monitoring information and any chatter within its borders. terrorist cells, mafia organizations, pedophiles, and other possible criminals they have leads on. this is normal, this is status quo, and this will always be the case. why do you have a problem with this?
right now the chinese are monitoring chatter as well. the scale of the monitoring is many orders of magnitude larger than the liberal governments (adjusted for population even), and it is aimed at EVERYONE. what they consider criminal is: any pornography, simply saying negative things about the government, agitating for the rights of minorities in the fringes of the imperial empire, like tibet and xinjiang, or even just religious proselytization
in the liberal western governments, any potential criminals caught by surveillance methods will have an open trial, with free and vigorous representation, open handling of evidence, last as long as necessary, and then will receive a sentence that tightasses in the west always grumble is way too light. in china, the potential criminal will have a quick kangaroo court with mystery evidence where everyone in the room is a representative of the ONLY legal political party, and then the sentenced will get something like 11 years hard labor simply for asking for human rights, or death for shoddy business practices. meanwhile, the west bails out their asshole corporate sleazebags, and tolerates deranged lunatics protesting at funerals saying god is punishing the west for tolerating gays. THAT'S the difference between china and the west
now, when you mention chinese surveillance in the same breath as western surveillance, YOU LOOK LIKE A MORON for not realizaing these obvious massive differences in METHOD, PURPOSE, EFFECT, and CONTEXT
do you really want to continue down this retarded road of yours? go ahead. you're obviously a highly propagandized fool. let's put it this way: in china, criticizing the chinese government the way you are criticizing the west right now is grounds for a reprimand, and if you continue, incarceration. i have a strong feeling if you were in beijing right now, a chickenshit like you would not writing what you are saying
i know someone that just took a teaching position in shanghai. they made her sign a piece of paper saying she wouldn't criticize the government. chinese students can come here and write anything negative about the west they want. the west is not afraid of criticism. china is. we rule by consent, not by force. THAT'S the difference between the west and china. you are a moron for not understanding the OBVIOUS differences in scale and purpose
but you know what, you keep talking. i'll keep calling you a moron. i think you're a low iq cretin, but i support the principles of tolerance that exists in the west, so i support your right to type as much of your ignorant mental diarrhea as you want. we tolerate deluded wackjobs with deranged ideas in the west like westboro baptist church, and you. in china, its jail or death. know the fucking difference, fucktard
to compare what a western government does to its citizens to what a country like china does to its citizens?
western governments are democracies, they rule by consent. therefore, there is a natural limit on what their citizens will tolerate before the government is voted out. china is an autocracy. a small select class of elites rule by fiat. fear and force is therefore how they rule. it doesn't matter what the citizens think, it matters only what a few grumpy technocrats in beijing think. furthermore, china has no promises on free information. everything is subject to censorship and control of all media is centralized. meanwhile, the west has a long standing cultural, legal, political and social obligation to protect the free flow of information, by law and by popular decree
fact: no government, historical, present day, or hypothetical, will not snoop for one reason or another, good or bad
therefore, that you can find some snooping a government does is therefore without probative value. they all do that, and they all always will. so you are left instead with an examination of the SCALE of the snooping, WHY people are being snooped on, and what kind of PUNISHMENT those who are snooped on receive
only then can it be said that you have some sort of intellectual honesty about your opinions. until then, it is simply a matter of intellectual charity to explain to you why what the chinese government does to its citizens is far, far worse than what any government in the west does to its citizens
please, by all means, let this be your invitation to recite the usual litany of the crimes of the west. and completely miss out on those amazing elementary school level concepts most of us learned, like compare and contrast
quantitative and qualitative fact: the crimes of the west are NOT equivalent to the crimes of china. china is FAR, FAR worse to its citizens and you have FAR, FAR less freedoms as a citizen of china than a citizen of any western country
that you do not understand this simple obvious truth is merely a mark of profound ignorance, bias, or propagandization on your part
you know, like 4 of those 500 gram ones. odorless, tasteless, and colorless, but boy oh boy!: sure to bring on a huge case of the niacin flush and those itchy eye watering hives all over the body and the nausea. since they don't know what is going on, i tell them i poisoned them and they have 30 minutes to live and so they better tell me the truth about my ex or where the money is, etc. i got a few to admit some really hilarious felonies in that condition
it backfired once where the guy picked up the steak knife and was hellbent on getting his revenge before he "died", so i had to off him for real, but otherwise, when the massive flush of hives and sometimes vomitting recedes 3 hours later, my friends always get a good laugh out of it and think i'm so freaking hilarious you wouldn't believe it
spray a giant amount of oven cleaner in the oven, and, most importantly, because this is what makes it work: put the magnetic bands on your wrists immediately. stick your head in the oven and take a few deep centering breaths while chanting the sacred mantras. i find myself going on deeply spiritual vision quests for a few minutes. i wake up on the floor and i can feel the magnetic bands vibrating in the negative chi energy dimension aligning with the crystals
Dr. Donald Henderson, an infectious disease expert at the University of Pittsburgh, called the observation of comparatively few swine flu cases among older adults "at least provisionally reassuring."
The H1N1 virus responsible for the 1918 flu pandemic continued to circulate in the population until 1957, when an H2N2 virus displaced it, he said.
"Thus, the first experience with influenza for most individuals born between 1918 and 1957 would have been with H1N1," he said. Those people are now between 52 and 91 years old.
so now that you've taken a brave stand against uneducated hysteria, will you be leveling any kind of disapproval at your brand of (just demonstrated) uneducated complacency?
small hint for you to think about: underreacting is more dangerous than overreacting with something like the possibility of lethal epidemics. because you can waste a lot of money if you overreact, yes. but you can waste a lot of LIVES if you underreact. get it?
see my gorgeous little child was at a restaurant and a heartless cruel waitress walked by with a thai peanut sauce dish and well my child got a good whiff of it. and now as a result every day for the last 3 months his intellectual development and emotional focus has been totally off. the swine flu shots have only made it worse, i swear he is borderline autistic now
i've gone to the principle of his school and insisted that all children's bags be searched and sniffer dogs bought in for the sake of peanuts destroying our children, but he babbled something about correlation and causation- completely uncaring and unsupportive!
to make matters worse afterwards i went to mcdonalds and ordered a big mac and felt nauseous a few weeks later. i didn't know what it was until a friend of mine told me there is a bad case of celiac disease going around. environment destroying corporations just don't care that they give people celiac disease and warm the atmosphere with cell phone waves. now i have to be on a gluten free diet for the rest of my life!
where you can't tell the difference between FUD and prudent action, if it doesn't fit your sensibilities
furthermore, immunity for those over 60, AND NOT YOUNGER, for a strain that killed millions, suggests that the swine flu should be taken seriously. do you see the LOGIC in that statement. no emotion. no hysteria. no panic. but simple logical linear thought. right?
so not because of fear. not because of uncertainty. not because of denial. because of logical, level-headed, prudent thought and analysis, the swine flu was taken very seriously in 2009
it's a novel strain, whose closest relative that last appeared was the spanish flu of 1918, which killed millions
where you point to false alarmism, i point to false complacency on your part. it very easy to judge from hindsight, but last year it made a lot of simple common sense to take the very new critter very seriously
fearmongering is when you pretty much know something is not a big deal, but you hype it up anyways. but we're talking about a brand new disease here. no one knows what it could have done. no one could say that there was overreacting or underreacting going on, because no one knew what swine flu had in store for us. you are not operating on fear when you consider the worst possible scenarios and the worst possible scenarios are certainly possible. and since the worst possible scenarios are so harsh, you cover all your bases and get a lot of vaccines. there's only logic and reason there, no fear in play
furthermore, who's to say the government's thorough and overpowering countermeasures all summer didn't make a difference? its like saying it was silly to waste all the money making all the buildings earthquake proof... because the earthquake came and no buildings fell down... well no shit! the quake proofing saw to that! maybe h1n1 was no big deal precisely because we reacted so swiftly and heavily
i don't know where fearmongering comes into the equation anywhere
that so called defenders of freedoms actually knew what those freedoms actually were. they aren't low iq slogans
additionally, i wish these so-called defenders of our freedoms had a little more faith in them as substantial legal, political and cultural investments. something that do not go *POOF* in one day everytime a few paranoid schizophrenics imagine dark conspiracies are finally closing in
yu and the other spastic idiots like you are no defenders of freedom. you're flaky, hysterical, dimwits on a constant freakout. i can see your adrenal glands in hyperdrive from the other end of this comment. jesus, what is it like to have so much cortisol coursing through your veins all the time? what is it like to live in such melodramatic fear?
life is not a low grade hollywood movie plot, you sad, small little man. "Totenglocke". lol. overcompensating for what i wonder
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if you want something private, don't put it on the internet
if you want a private conversation, walk with the person on a beach
everything else is subject to snooping, and not just by the government. there are other less savory entities out there that can pilfer your information
so if its important, just keep it off the wires. this is a complete shortcircuiting of all of the legal arguments
because even if you successfully clamped down on the government across all legal avenues, the government really is the least of your worries in terms of who can snoop on you and why. there is no protection that works except your own attempts to secure your data. that's your job, not the government's
there's people reading this comment who buy guns because they don't trust the government to protect them. so why would anyone trust the government to protect their privacy online?
protect yourself with your own protocols for how and when and what is disclosed over a wire. this shortcircuits all the needless legal arguments, since the potential list of online snoopers does not begin nor end with your friendly local government bureaucrat
and therefore, it makes sense that it is also different legally
moving bits around is completely unlike moving pieces of paper around, in all sorts of fundamentally significant ways, with all sort of implications and ramifications for how society does work, could work, and should work
i've seen bike messengers pedal up fast to delivery trucks
then HANG ON. we're talking 30-40 mph, dense city traffic
can't imagine what the hell they are thinking. i mean if that truck driver hits the brakes fast...
then again i used to room with a bike messenger when i lived in brooklyn, and every other week he would bring home some new constellation of bruises (car doors, etc)
however, i think toronto bike messengers beat new york city bike messengers in the abuse department: one guy held onto a car which swiped him, and the car driver purposefully tried to brush the guy off... into a mailbox, killing him. the car driver was ontario's ex-attorney general who made his name being tough on street racing!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bryant_(politician)#2009_criminal_charges
who the hell is supposed to know the difference between a joke and serious intent? the subject is serious. no one should be joking about it. anyone "joking" about bombing an airplane in an airport is a complete moron or a genuine terrorist or a crazy person. in all 3 cases, the police SHOULD show up. no one can tell the difference between the 3 people with a magic wand genius
please try to make some fucking sense
its a direct, unavoidable consequence of the rise of the internet
ip laws only make sense when they are a gentleman's agreement among a handful of publishers. they are completely unenforceable when every teenager in his basement is a publisher to anyone else at zero cost, for anything you want
the wise thing for costa rica to do is simply agree to whatever the usa demands ip law wise. and then its business as usual. which is: everything is available with no ip restrictions to anyone remotely familiar with a computer console
enforcement is impossible, even for the usa within its own borders, so who fucking cares what the lawyers and bureaucrats and corporations say? they've already been routed around
i'm not saying you shouldn't get upset at the arrogance and the audacity of the american demands, i'm saying a bully making demands without any actual ability to follow through on his threats is nothing you have to pay any respect to
you simply pay the asshole lip service, put a big smile on your face, say "yes" to whatever the asshole wants, and then its business as usual, which is: ip laws mean nothing. all of the posturing and threats and demands mean nothing. there's NO ENFORCEMENT POSSIBLE
let all the corporate lawyers, midlevel bureaucrats amd other pointless yammering meat popsicles create all the ip laws and agreements they want
WHO FUCKING CARES. they can't enforce any of it. its the internet age. this is not vhs copy machines in a warehouse or cd duplicators in the closet. you can't shut down the internet
people: stop getting upset at these retards trying to enforce laws from a previous technological era and just igore them and their petty demands without any muscle behind them. they can't stop technological change. they are defunct, they just don't know it
there's no erosion of rights or privacy! the guy posted on TWITTER, as in PUBLIC ACCESS. where is this erosion of rights you complain about? where is the erosion of privacy? if you say "i am going to bomb an airplane" in public, expect your ass to be punished. on what grounds can this possibly be a problem for anyone, i don't know
those who complain the loudest complain about everything, without regard of logical coherence about what they are complaining about
truly you won't deny the existence of such people
as for the movie, its a mark of shame at this point, about it being unfinished. but i can't change my sig, or i have admitted even more humbling defeat
are also complaining that the christmas crotch bomber was not caught. damned if you do, damned if you don't
the moron made bomb threats at the airport on a social networking site. please explain to me exactly how this is orwellian, intrusive, yro, or any other pseudo-intellectual reference you cling to other than simple common fucking sense: don't make fucking bomb threats at the fucking airport
or you will, and should, be arrested. what exactly is so controversial or shocking about this to you? it seems like a slam dunk to me
he didn't use putty to rearrange files on his private server from his iphone, HE POSTED ON TWITTER. you know, public fucking feed? do you understand that any of you pseudo-intellectual twits whining about orwell?
btw the use of the word "orwellian" has become so knee-jerk here it is no longer a signifier for thoughtfulness any more, but a replacement for thought. that particular fantasy's sell-by date passed away sometime in the cold war. please update your literary references. parrotting ORWELL" *cough* "ORWELL" every fucking time yro comes up that at this point it only makes you look like a vaguely functioning junior high school student. now if you mention LITTLE brother: every kid with a cell phone camera RECORDING THE ABUSES OF THE POLICE (how's that for a twist?), then you've impressed me with an updated modern intellectual repertoire. i want to hear less "orwell", more "rodney king":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
the real world effect of ubiquitous cameras is its use AGAINST the state. understand you orwell parrotting pseudointellectual twits?
all of you please shut the fuck up about the EXTREMELY outdated fantasy of orwell, thanks. you don't look intelligent anymore, you look very outdated
the only guy i read there is roger cohen, and you're right, he seems to be in some other country every day. his columns while in iran were incredible
the latest on google and china is good too
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/15/opinion/15iht-edcohen.html
with all sorts of expenses
why couldn't the existing columnists at the nyt just pull a nikke finke?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Finke
what do they lose? they may make more money via online advertising than their current salaries. and if they don't, who cares? the life style is: a laptop. thats it. that's your expense for reaching the same audience you did with the new york times
all of the old big media organizations are just going to be dissolved anad atomized by the web. news and reproting will still continue, but your relationships will be with individual trusted reporters, not organizations. its a superior model
where the random internet troll heavily bashes some of the most successful politicians/ directors/ writers/ musicians/ businessmen/ programmers/ etc
based on his vast reserves of authority, based on his obvious advanced knowledge of a given genre
you don't have to like cameron, but he's obviously extremely successful and knowledgeable. and you are...?
and then it gets modded 5, Insightful! LOL
hilarious
its the great useless ignorant mass of human drek, moved to its great unifying passion: tearing other people down in howling unison
moronic mindless internet hate is the great dependable resource of our generation. lets put it to political work, harness it for power! oh wait, the tea baggers beat me to it... ;-P
some of you loud negative losers: why don't you try for once in your life actually making a small positive effort on your own? and redeem your sorry pathetic asses
this is your chance to bash this comment. you do it SO well. its all you know how to do, mindless negative feedback, to everything vaguely positive in your empty pointless lives
ready to plead fealty to whatever entity promises them the most convenience and security"
this is true of every society on this planet, and every society that ever existed, and any society that ever will exist. its the trailing end of the bell curve, what can you do? so you don't have to like the usa, but don't single out the usa for the crimes of humanity itself
i'm an american, and i can have an open rational discussion of the benefits/ failures of communism, socialism, capitalism, libertarianism, marxism, authoritarianism, bring it on
oh, there's one more problem with humanity you should know about, that is not unique to the usa: the kind of person who over-generalizes and prejudicially judges an entire race or country, just because of the sins of a few loud few
you wouldn't perchance know an example of such a person's words, would you? ;-)
they are all control freaks. every society has control freaks. its psychologically inevitable that a regular dribble in any society will consist of zealous control freaks absolutely fearful of losing control over... who knows what. their bowels i guess. its the trailing end of the bell curve, what can you do? just look at all these low iq tea bagger morons in the usa. too bad their so goddamn loud
they all rally around a banner, and the banner is always the magical past. the real past was full of just as much sin/ apostasy/ disharmony, whatever drives them nuts. but in their historical myopia, these conservative, communist, and fundamentalist assholes believe for some reason that going backwards in time will make the world a better place. you know, when we had open slavery, frequent starvation, deadly pandemics, etc
say the dutch or the swedes
right now, the dutch and swedish government are monitoring information and any chatter within its borders. terrorist cells, mafia organizations, pedophiles, and other possible criminals they have leads on. this is normal, this is status quo, and this will always be the case. why do you have a problem with this?
right now the chinese are monitoring chatter as well. the scale of the monitoring is many orders of magnitude larger than the liberal governments (adjusted for population even), and it is aimed at EVERYONE. what they consider criminal is: any pornography, simply saying negative things about the government, agitating for the rights of minorities in the fringes of the imperial empire, like tibet and xinjiang, or even just religious proselytization
in the liberal western governments, any potential criminals caught by surveillance methods will have an open trial, with free and vigorous representation, open handling of evidence, last as long as necessary, and then will receive a sentence that tightasses in the west always grumble is way too light. in china, the potential criminal will have a quick kangaroo court with mystery evidence where everyone in the room is a representative of the ONLY legal political party, and then the sentenced will get something like 11 years hard labor simply for asking for human rights, or death for shoddy business practices. meanwhile, the west bails out their asshole corporate sleazebags, and tolerates deranged lunatics protesting at funerals saying god is punishing the west for tolerating gays. THAT'S the difference between china and the west
chinese free speech:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/25/china-jails-liu-xiaobo
chinese corporate punishment:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/4315627/Two-sentenced-to-death-over-China-melamine-milk-scandal.html
western free speech:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
western corporate punishment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citigroup#Federal_bailout_2008
now, when you mention chinese surveillance in the same breath as western surveillance, YOU LOOK LIKE A MORON for not realizaing these obvious massive differences in METHOD, PURPOSE, EFFECT, and CONTEXT
do you really want to continue down this retarded road of yours? go ahead. you're obviously a highly propagandized fool. let's put it this way: in china, criticizing the chinese government the way you are criticizing the west right now is grounds for a reprimand, and if you continue, incarceration. i have a strong feeling if you were in beijing right now, a chickenshit like you would not writing what you are saying
i know someone that just took a teaching position in shanghai. they made her sign a piece of paper saying she wouldn't criticize the government. chinese students can come here and write anything negative about the west they want. the west is not afraid of criticism. china is. we rule by consent, not by force. THAT'S the difference between the west and china. you are a moron for not understanding the OBVIOUS differences in scale and purpose
but you know what, you keep talking. i'll keep calling you a moron. i think you're a low iq cretin, but i support the principles of tolerance that exists in the west, so i support your right to type as much of your ignorant mental diarrhea as you want. we tolerate deluded wackjobs with deranged ideas in the west like westboro baptist church, and you. in china, its jail or death. know the fucking difference, fucktard
to compare what a western government does to its citizens to what a country like china does to its citizens?
western governments are democracies, they rule by consent. therefore, there is a natural limit on what their citizens will tolerate before the government is voted out. china is an autocracy. a small select class of elites rule by fiat. fear and force is therefore how they rule. it doesn't matter what the citizens think, it matters only what a few grumpy technocrats in beijing think. furthermore, china has no promises on free information. everything is subject to censorship and control of all media is centralized. meanwhile, the west has a long standing cultural, legal, political and social obligation to protect the free flow of information, by law and by popular decree
fact: no government, historical, present day, or hypothetical, will not snoop for one reason or another, good or bad
therefore, that you can find some snooping a government does is therefore without probative value. they all do that, and they all always will. so you are left instead with an examination of the SCALE of the snooping, WHY people are being snooped on, and what kind of PUNISHMENT those who are snooped on receive
only then can it be said that you have some sort of intellectual honesty about your opinions. until then, it is simply a matter of intellectual charity to explain to you why what the chinese government does to its citizens is far, far worse than what any government in the west does to its citizens
please, by all means, let this be your invitation to recite the usual litany of the crimes of the west. and completely miss out on those amazing elementary school level concepts most of us learned, like compare and contrast
quantitative and qualitative fact: the crimes of the west are NOT equivalent to the crimes of china. china is FAR, FAR worse to its citizens and you have FAR, FAR less freedoms as a citizen of china than a citizen of any western country
that you do not understand this simple obvious truth is merely a mark of profound ignorance, bias, or propagandization on your part
you know, like 4 of those 500 gram ones. odorless, tasteless, and colorless, but boy oh boy!: sure to bring on a huge case of the niacin flush and those itchy eye watering hives all over the body and the nausea. since they don't know what is going on, i tell them i poisoned them and they have 30 minutes to live and so they better tell me the truth about my ex or where the money is, etc. i got a few to admit some really hilarious felonies in that condition
it backfired once where the guy picked up the steak knife and was hellbent on getting his revenge before he "died", so i had to off him for real, but otherwise, when the massive flush of hives and sometimes vomitting recedes 3 hours later, my friends always get a good laugh out of it and think i'm so freaking hilarious you wouldn't believe it
hilarious dead on troll or hilarious WHOOOSH! over the head, either way its funny
spray a giant amount of oven cleaner in the oven, and, most importantly, because this is what makes it work: put the magnetic bands on your wrists immediately. stick your head in the oven and take a few deep centering breaths while chanting the sacred mantras. i find myself going on deeply spiritual vision quests for a few minutes. i wake up on the floor and i can feel the magnetic bands vibrating in the negative chi energy dimension aligning with the crystals
it is the same disease, genius
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/SwineFluNews/story?id=7647943&page=1
so now that you've taken a brave stand against uneducated hysteria, will you be leveling any kind of disapproval at your brand of (just demonstrated) uneducated complacency?
small hint for you to think about: underreacting is more dangerous than overreacting with something like the possibility of lethal epidemics. because you can waste a lot of money if you overreact, yes. but you can waste a lot of LIVES if you underreact. get it?
see my gorgeous little child was at a restaurant and a heartless cruel waitress walked by with a thai peanut sauce dish and well my child got a good whiff of it. and now as a result every day for the last 3 months his intellectual development and emotional focus has been totally off. the swine flu shots have only made it worse, i swear he is borderline autistic now
i've gone to the principle of his school and insisted that all children's bags be searched and sniffer dogs bought in for the sake of peanuts destroying our children, but he babbled something about correlation and causation- completely uncaring and unsupportive!
to make matters worse afterwards i went to mcdonalds and ordered a big mac and felt nauseous a few weeks later. i didn't know what it was until a friend of mine told me there is a bad case of celiac disease going around. environment destroying corporations just don't care that they give people celiac disease and warm the atmosphere with cell phone waves. now i have to be on a gluten free diet for the rest of my life!
where you can't tell the difference between FUD and prudent action, if it doesn't fit your sensibilities
furthermore, immunity for those over 60, AND NOT YOUNGER, for a strain that killed millions, suggests that the swine flu should be taken seriously. do you see the LOGIC in that statement. no emotion. no hysteria. no panic. but simple logical linear thought. right?
so not because of fear. not because of uncertainty. not because of denial. because of logical, level-headed, prudent thought and analysis, the swine flu was taken very seriously in 2009
is that possible in your mind?
it's a novel strain, whose closest relative that last appeared was the spanish flu of 1918, which killed millions
where you point to false alarmism, i point to false complacency on your part. it very easy to judge from hindsight, but last year it made a lot of simple common sense to take the very new critter very seriously
if jenny is worth writing a song about her phone number, you just know she is a prime cut of female finery
as for the issue of prime twins, oh man, are her twins prime!
fearmongering is when you pretty much know something is not a big deal, but you hype it up anyways. but we're talking about a brand new disease here. no one knows what it could have done. no one could say that there was overreacting or underreacting going on, because no one knew what swine flu had in store for us. you are not operating on fear when you consider the worst possible scenarios and the worst possible scenarios are certainly possible. and since the worst possible scenarios are so harsh, you cover all your bases and get a lot of vaccines. there's only logic and reason there, no fear in play
furthermore, who's to say the government's thorough and overpowering countermeasures all summer didn't make a difference? its like saying it was silly to waste all the money making all the buildings earthquake proof... because the earthquake came and no buildings fell down... well no shit! the quake proofing saw to that! maybe h1n1 was no big deal precisely because we reacted so swiftly and heavily
i don't know where fearmongering comes into the equation anywhere
that so called defenders of freedoms actually knew what those freedoms actually were. they aren't low iq slogans
additionally, i wish these so-called defenders of our freedoms had a little more faith in them as substantial legal, political and cultural investments. something that do not go *POOF* in one day everytime a few paranoid schizophrenics imagine dark conspiracies are finally closing in
yu and the other spastic idiots like you are no defenders of freedom. you're flaky, hysterical, dimwits on a constant freakout. i can see your adrenal glands in hyperdrive from the other end of this comment. jesus, what is it like to have so much cortisol coursing through your veins all the time? what is it like to live in such melodramatic fear?
life is not a low grade hollywood movie plot, you sad, small little man. "Totenglocke". lol. overcompensating for what i wonder