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Dragging Telephone Numbers Into the Internet Age

azoblue writes with this teaser from Ars Technica, presenting a tempting suggestion for online consolidation: "E-mail, IM, Facebook, phones—what if all of these ways to reach you over a network could be condensed into a single, unique number? The ENUM proposal aims to do just that, by giving everyone a single phone number that maps to all of their identifiers. Here's how it works, and why it isn't already widely used."

239 comments

  1. It's not the same by plover · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jenny, I got your number
    I'm gonna make you mine
    Jenny, I got your number
    86.75.30.9

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    1. Re:It's not the same by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Jenny, I got your number
      I'm gonna make you mine
      Jenny, I got your number
      3ffe:1900:4545:3:200:f8ff:fe21:67cf

    2. Re:It's not the same by epine · · Score: 2, Informative

      Jenny, I got your number
      I'm gonna make you mine
      Jenny, I got your number
      86.75.30.9

      You, too? Last visible hop 10.226.70-86.rev.gaoland.net gaoland.net seems to be slashdotted already.

      One ring to find them all, one ring to bind them. I wish had the graphics talent to rework that scene where the Nazgûl rider is sniffing the tree roots for sneaky hobbits, and his phone goes off with some super goofy ring tone. We could redo Orthanc as a wifi repeater and that eyeball as a Pringles can.

      I'd rather have call display that worked reliably.

    3. Re:It's not the same by thomasdz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Impress your friends with geek AND music knowledge. In addition to being the phone number in the Tommy Tutone song, 867-5309 is also a prime number. It's also a prime twin, so (I think) 867-5311 is also a prime number

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    4. Re:It's not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yeah it's a Chen Prime. Weird.

    5. Re:It's not the same by plover · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dzubin P-1 CUR ALLOC 20193 . . .5804M


      rodtsasdt llllllreport*

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    6. Re:It's not the same by BetterSense · · Score: 5, Funny

      Rikki don't lose that number
      You don't want to call nobody else
      Send it off in an email, to yourself

    7. Re:It's not the same by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      Impress your friends with geek AND music knowledge. In addition to being the phone number in the Tommy Tutone song, 867-5309 is also a prime number. It's also a prime twin, so (I think) 867-5311 is also a prime number

      Sorry, I'm not buying it:


      >>> print factors(867-5309)
      1
      2
      2221

      or did you mean the number 8675309L?

    8. Re:It's not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can confirm this, my prime factoring routine says:
      8675309 = 8675309^1
      8675311 = 8675311^1

      However, I first tried the palindrome (didn't read what you meant by a prime twin) and that isn't prime:
      9035768 = 2^3 + 7^1 + 317^1 + 509^1
      but the twins palindrome almost is:
      1135768 = 2^3 + 141971^1

    9. Re:It's not the same by thomasdz · · Score: 1

      Glad to see someone else reads old 1970s IBM fiction

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    10. Re:It's not the same by LordKronos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      867-5309 is also a prime number

      Really? Seems to me that it factors into 5, 887, and -1

    11. Re:It's not the same by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Ahh, crap...typed the numbers wrong into my calculator. Joke ruined

    12. Re:It's not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bobby, why do you have number 3ffe:1900:4545:3:200:f8ff:fe21:67?
      My number is 3ffe:1900:4545:3:200:f8ff:fe21:66.
      3ffe:1900:4545:3:200:f8ff:fe21:67 is my sister Jane's number, and she just called to ask why you wanted to bed her.
      Get out!

    13. Re:It's not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Seems to me that it factors into 5, 887, and -1

      Uh, what? My calculator says 8675309 / 887 = 9780.5062006764.

      887 is not a factor.

    14. Re:It's not the same by longhairedgnome · · Score: 2, Informative

      From wiki for those not privy, A prime number p is called a Chen prime if p + 2 is either a prime or a product of two primes. The even number 2p + 2 therefore satisfies Chen's theorem. In 1966, Chen Jingrun proved that there are infinitely many such primes. This result would also follow from the truth of the twin prime conjecture. The first few Chen primes are 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 47, 53, 59, 67, 71, 83, 89, 101, (sequence A109611 in OEIS). The first few non-Chen primes are 43, 61, 73, 79, 97, 103, 151, 163, 173, 193, 223, 229, 241, A102540. All of the supersingular primes are Chen primes. Rudolf Ondrejka discovered the following 3x3 magic square of nine Chen primes:[1] 17 89 71 113 59 5 47 29 101 The lower member of a pair of twin primes is a Chen prime, by definition. In August 2009 Twin Prime Search and Primegrid found the largest known Chen prime, 65516468355 2333333 - 1 with 100355 digits.

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    15. Re:It's not the same by TheABomb · · Score: 1

      *My* calculator says 867-5309 = -4442, which factors into (-1 * 2 * 2221).

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    16. Re:It's not the same by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      And my calculator says that I already pointed out my own mistake 2 hours and 9 minutes before you did. Try reading the replies before posting a redundant one.

      Oh, and also...the +2 insightful I received says the mods don't bother to check math.

  2. Spam spam spam... by michelcolman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Great, then spammers only need one number to send you all sorts of spam in all kinds of different ways. And even better, they can try random numbers!

    1. Re:Spam spam spam... by aurispector · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Can you imagine your phone ringing all night with nigerian scammers? 3 am and it's "greetings and salutations, I am a representative of a banking consortium..."

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    2. Re:Spam spam spam... by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Or you're in bed making love, the phone rings "would you like a penis extension?", while at the same time you get a text message about v1agr@, and all of a sudden the mood goes down, and an important bodily function goes down with it... in fact, this might make spam a lot more effective!

    3. Re:Spam spam spam... by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Exactly! There are a very small number of people who I would want to have all of my contact information. There is a number of people orders of magnitude larger than the first who I want to have some of my contact information, but definitely not all.

    4. Re:Spam spam spam... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Great, then spammers only need one number to send you all sorts of spam in all kinds of different ways. And even better, they can try random numbers!

      Not just spammers ; bosses, wives, girlfriends, parents, landlord, people you owe money to and a whole range of other undesirable contacts too.

      There are perfectly good reasons for not wanting to have a unique personal identifier. And even more not quite perfectly good reasons.

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  3. Please no!!! by Choozy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All I can think of is SPAM. I understand the idea and sometimes I think it'd be a great tool (especially if you move ISP's etc, everything would move with you kind of like redirecting your real mail when you move house but with less hassle) but I consider my privacy (what little we have left in this world) way more important than having a single identifier.

    1. Re:Please no!!! by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      A public key specification can prevent this.

      The public key is your address. Nobody knows your public key directly however, just your alias. So your alias can be an email address, your nickname, whatever.

      The private key is your decrypter and the only way to access them.

      (in before that spam form).

    2. Re:Please no!!! by smallfries · · Score: 1

      How does what you've described prevent spam in any way?

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    3. Re:Please no!!! by happy_place · · Score: 1

      If all our numbers were condensed into one number, then we'd have one MORE number to memorize... cuz you know someone would find some reason to have all the others, and then we'd all need them. :)

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    4. Re:Please no!!! by Abreu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      C'mon, if we can't convince the normals to use decent-strength passwords in their hotmail, and to stop saying "yes" to everything on Facebook, you want them to use public key crypto??

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    5. Re:Please no!!! by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

      Every time someone suggests educating society in a changing world, someone's gotta suggest keeping the status quo at IQ-60...

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    6. Re:Please no!!! by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      No-one's suggesting keeping people dumb, GPP's just pointing out that dumb is difficult to remedy.

    7. Re:Please no!!! by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

      Except what we're talking about is ignorance, not stupidity. Ignorance is easily remedied.

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    8. Re:Please no!!! by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      If ignorance is so easily remedied, why are the vast majority of people so ignorant?

    9. Re:Please no!!! by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

      Because nobody's sat down to educate them in a way that gets through to their learning style yet.

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  4. How about using IP6? by master_p · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A single IP6 address could be enough for all those things.

    1. Re:How about using IP6? by Anpheus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you really want to have to dial +DEAD:BEEF:CAFE:123:4567:890A:BCDE:F?

      This uses a well understood system (DNS, and in the future, DNSSEC) to use the same numbers you already have to link to other online identifiers, including IP addresses. So we get all the benefits of IPv6 without having to switch everyone to potentially 39 digit addresses in their phone.

      What you propose would be the death of picking up girls in bars, that's for sure. How do you propose to convince them to spend that much time writing down their number?

    2. Re:How about using IP6? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      two words: URL Shortener.
      Two more: DNS

      I don't put 72.14.204.99 into the website when I want to use google. I use google.com (Which gets translated via DNS). Why would this be any different?

      Hey baby... Your lookin hot... [call/email/message/text] me at Chris.ssn
      (Which translates via DNS or URL Shortener into +DEAD:BEEF:CAFE:123:4567:890A:BCDE:F).

    3. Re:How about using IP6? by russotto · · Score: 1

      What you propose would be the death of picking up girls in bars, that's for sure. How do you propose to convince them to spend that much time writing down their number?

      You've ferretted out our evil plan to make everyone else as unable to pick up girls in bars as slashdotters are. Bwa ha ha ha... (twirls miserable imitation of bad-guy mustache)

    4. Re:How about using IP6? by master_p · · Score: 1

      My comment was of technical nature, not of user-interface nature.

    5. Re:How about using IP6? by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      No, IPV6 is the exact opposite! IPV6 is meant so that every device has a unique address. What the article is talking about is a unique address per person that bridges multiple devices.

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    6. Re:How about using IP6? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > What the article is talking about is a unique address per person that
      > bridges multiple devices.

      Exactly. The IPv6 address of your embedded RFID chip.

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    7. Re:How about using IP6? by Anpheus · · Score: 1

      I said, why not use DNS instead? Which this system uses.

      Except it translates something everyone already has (an international telephone number) into other identifiers. If there's anything we've learned about universal identifiers, it's that the more complexity you add, the easier it is for someone to screw up or fudge the system. For that reason, I think unicode identifiers are going to bring about a new era in phishing, and I think it's the reason numeric identifiers are still popular and useful.

      Think about someone trying to unambiguously tell you a URI over the phone. "Was that s as in Sam or f as in Fisher?", "Ok, was that google spelled g-o-o-g-o-l or g-o-o-g-l-e?", "I'm sorry, it's the word 'flicker' without the e?" If we encourage everyone and their dog to make a land-grab for alphanumeric universal identifiers, expect John Smith to have to pick something completely unrelated to his name anyway, and expect people to make a landgrab for things like "1.id" and "TheBigCheese.id" and other absurdity.

      Let's keep things simple and harder to abuse.

    8. Re:How about using IP6? by alexhs · · Score: 1

      No, IPV6 is meant so that every device has a unique address

      Not exactly. Think about masks.
      The last 6 bytes in a IPv6 adress are the MAC address of the device.
      The 10 first bytes are enough to identify you.
      Actually I think that was the whole point of IPv4 classes, easing routing and DNS searches by having meaningful prefixes.

      IPv6 was also my first thought. Have your own 80 bits prefix to identify you, and have the remaining 48 bits to do whatever you want with.

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    9. Re:How about using IP6? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had the same thought awhile back but is it the only solution?

  5. Already there? by Cornwallis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't Google Voice already doing this? It seems to be for me.

    1. Re:Already there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they can ring multiple phones, and send you emails with text transcriptions of the voice mails.

      The next version will allow a Google crew to knock on your door, deliver packages and messages, take your picture and then upload it right on Street View (it's likely to be a video).

      The premium service will be called Google Mugger.

    2. Re:Already there? by c-reus · · Score: 1

      ICQ was using numbers as identifiers

  6. I don't want a "number" by jbb999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would I want a "number" for that? That's why DNS was invented, so we could move forward from using numbers to identify things and use proper identifiers instead. This is a step backwards in many ways.

    1. Re:I don't want a "number" by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      For individuals, I think a number would be a cleaner approach. The overhead of DNS shouldn't be wasted on something like this when you can already associate phone numbers with contact lists on your cell phone or PDA. When I call someone, I just go to their name in my address book; I barely know the cell phone numbers of anyone in my family.

    2. Re:I don't want a "number" by 1s44c · · Score: 1, Insightful

      For individuals, I think a number would be a cleaner approach. The overhead of DNS shouldn't be wasted on something like this when you can already associate phone numbers with contact lists on your cell phone or PDA. When I call someone, I just go to their name in my address book; I barely know the cell phone numbers of anyone in my family.

      If you were at a payphone after the battery on your gadgets runs out what would you be more likely to remember, a phone number, or a dns name?

      Doing the name to number mapping on your cellphone only fixes the problem from that one phone. DNS for phone numbers fixes it everywhere.

    3. Re:I don't want a "number" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT UP!

      Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

    4. Re:I don't want a "number" by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

      I don't see the harm in standardizing a number system to use, then adding a name-based system on top of that- exactly the way DNS works in the first place. Not to mention I don't care to have a new version of domain squatters rush in just yet.

    5. Re:I don't want a "number" by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      If you were at a payphone after the battery on your gadgets runs out...

      What's a "payphone"? Is that like a charging station for gadgets? Why would you need a phone number for that? Don't they take credit cards?

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    6. Re:I don't want a "number" by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      What's a "payphone"?

      A public phone on the side of the street that you put coins in to make a call. They were quite popular before mobile phones and are still useful when mobile phones don't work.

    7. Re:I don't want a "number" by rantingkitten · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah! I am not a number! I am a free man!

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    8. Re:I don't want a "number" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh!

  7. Some questions by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    Who has access to search through all the mappings that are created? Why stop at just a single phone number, why not have a single identity number and map everything (phone numbers, bank accounts, paychecks, etc.) to that single number. Who would then even need a name, just write your identity number on a sticky note and put it on your forehead, or embed a RFID chip in you at birth.

    1. Re:Some questions by Comboman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Skynet prefers a barcode burned into your forearm.

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    2. Re:Some questions by MortenMW · · Score: 1

      Barcodes in the neck is the best choice. I want 47.

  8. You mean... by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like a social security number or tax id?

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    1. Re:You mean... by MrMr · · Score: 1

      You are aware that social security numbers only work for your tribe?

    2. Re:You mean... by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Thats one of the reasons that we have Tax ID's. So that members of other tribes can also be part of the wonderful Social Security Number experience.

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    3. Re:You mean... by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was just providing an example of a numbering system for a large location that everyone in said location uses.

      However, this would be silly to do IMO (like the SSN). You get owned on one account and you are owned everywhere. There are advantages to having different systems for different resources.

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    4. Re:You mean... by maxume · · Score: 1

      Or you simply refuse to use identifiers for authentication.

      That doesn't solve single point of failure problems, but, for example, you can reset a password without getting a new user id.

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    5. Re:You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Social Security numbers were also originally intended as an ID for tracking... Social Security. They were specifically not intended to be used as a generic Citizen-id number.

    6. Re:You mean... by MrMr · · Score: 1

      you're still missing 7,700,000,000 people out of 8,000,000,000

    7. Re:You mean... by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      you're still missing 7,700,000,000 people out of 8,000,000,000

      Why do you want to turn this into a debate about illegal aliens?

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    8. Re:You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US law does not apply to any of the above, and they are not aliens where they live so you are obviously a fairly incompetent troll.

  9. And by JustOK · · Score: 1

    Tattooed on our foreheads

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  10. Why would you want to keep the telephone number? by Omegium · · Score: 5, Interesting
    (I posted this earlier on Ars Technica)

    Why would you want to keep the telephone number?

    The telephone number is a good example of a situation where the technical factor prevailed over the human factor. Numbers are abstract and difficult to remember for most people. And since its invention we have needed to use lists to associate these numbers to things we actually can remember, such as names.

    I think it will go completely the other way, and that in 50 years people will never have heard of phone numbers. The identifier will be the email address, and if I want to call someone I select that address and press "call", and a VOIP connection will be made. If I want to IM or mail, I press other buttons.

    The email address is easy to remember, it has build-in identification of the purpose you want to use it for (private, business, ...), can already be used for several types of communication (mail, jabber) and is completely transparent to location

  11. X.400 all over again by argent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is making many of the mistakes X.400 did, albeit on a smaller scale.

    People want tokens that are easy to remember. Email addresses like "myname@example.com" are much more memorable than "C=US/OU=Example/FN=My/LN=Name" or "+1 234 456 6789". If someone's using this service, they're using an internet-capable device, so they can enter an alphanumeric address and don't need to remain compatible with Strowger's switch.

    1. Re:X.400 all over again by jduhls · · Score: 1

      "+1 234 456 6789"

      I can remember that, easily.

    2. Re:X.400 all over again by argent · · Score: 1

      "+1 234 456 6789"

      I can remember that, easily.

      Are you
      you sure about
      about that?

    3. Re:X.400 all over again by bartoku · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree an email address is intrinsically easier to remember to a human, but it has a huge flaw I experience all the time. Ever try to give your email address out over the phone, or any combination of unfamiliar letters? 'V' gets confused with 'B' and so on, especially when you have a unique spelling for a a name. My email address and my first name have been malformed a number of times by humans over the phone, but my phone number not once. Numbers are just easier to convey and less ambiguous, I always wondered if by design?

      That being said there are technological solutions to the problem, when I meet someone in person I should not be verbally relaying my address (phone number or email...) we should be doing some digital vcard exchange over Bluetooth or something between our phones. Over the phone I should not be verbally relaying information that is more clearly conveyed in text. When ordering my air plane tickets over the phone (sometimes the human operators can pull off things that the online interface is not letting me do in booking) I should simply be able to switch to instant/text messaging the operator and clearly relay any text as long as I do not hit the wrong key on my damn virtual keyboard...

    4. Re:X.400 all over again by argent · · Score: 1

      Funny, I have trouble with numbers getting mixed up too, so I always read numbers OR names back to make sure I got them right. And my name is a Word of Power against computers because (a) it's got a space in it, and (b) it starts with "da" and everyone expects it to be "de".

      So whether I'm saying "dog able... space... yes, space... sierra..." or "four three five ... can you read that back... no, that's four three five, not five three" I'd much rather be saying "peter at ...".

    5. Re:X.400 all over again by HamburglerJones · · Score: 1

      If you had just used
      used haiku to make your point,
      point score would mod up.

      My post is pretty -
      pretty redundant a point;
      point score should mod down.

    6. Re:X.400 all over again by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      This is making many of the mistakes X.400 did, albeit on a smaller scale.

      People want tokens that are easy to remember. Email addresses like "myname@example.com" are much more memorable than "C=US/OU=Example/FN=My/LN=Name" or "+1 234 456 6789". If someone's using this service, they're using an internet-capable device, so they can enter an alphanumeric address and don't need to remain compatible with Strowger's switch.

      I've got it: just use a sequences of letters. You could also monetize this, if you were in charge. For top price you get your name or business, a little less and and you get something pronounceable, and for the basic charge, just a random string. So simple, I wonder why no one thought of it before . . .

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    7. Re:X.400 all over again by argent · · Score: 1

      Oh, that would be a big 1-800-FUCKYOU.

      It would explain why they want to drive people to using phone numbers instead of the identifiers they already have.

  12. Cute hack... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But I'm not quite sure why I would want to tie all my shiny new contact mechanisms to a 19th century relic controlled by the telcoms, entities which are sclerotic at best and downright evil at worst.

    ENUM seems like the sort of thing that would happen if you got a bunch of fairly sharp techies together and told them that it was an axiomatic, foundational, truth that telephone numbers must remain relevant and central to communication. Within those constraints, they seem to have come up with a good solution. Those constraints, though, seem irrelevant. The internet, and its design philosophies, is simply better.

    1. Re:Cute hack... by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      Close. But the design constraint isn't that phone numbers must remain relevant.
      Its that age old chestnut that gave birth to the Phonetic Alphabet. You are much easier able to distinguish the 10 numbers (this is true in most languages, this isn't just an english & hindu-arabic numeral centric fact) when conversing with just audio.
      Radio Operators, Phone users, pretty much everyone at some point has had to start going "Oscar Bravo Sierra ..." while trying to make themselves understood.

      The system isn't indented to make phone numbers some magic new single ID, its to make them a part of the DNS concept of easily resolvable & related addressing. It just means i can say phone me@example.com or phone +1 234 456 678 and both end up reaching the same place. Its about more options & flexibility.

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  13. Been done: .tel domain by benwiggy · · Score: 4, Informative

    You mean like the .tel domain?

    .tel provides all contact information: phone numbers, postal addresses, email, web addresses, etc -- all within the DNS.

    1. Re:Been done: .tel domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't like the idea with the .tel domain

      like we have Mr. Joe Smith from amstadam, and Mr. Joe Smith from Las Vegas (and my guess is that there is more Joe Smith's out there)

      So if one buy smith.tel and sets it up for his family, så his "number" is joe.smith.tel
      Then what about the other smith, what will be his "number"

      And so on with other names.

      Why not use a sub-domain to do the same.
      So "tel.smith.com" is a "number" or tel.joe.smith.MyDOMAIN.com is a "number"
      Or then again more simple, a producole, like http, https, ftp, etc, then just tel://[And all the domain stuff]

    2. Re:Been done: .tel domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While at first glance it seems like a good idea to put all contact info directly into the DNS system, it will result in a massive spam problem at some pont. .tel was thrown together too quickly. As archaic as switched phone systems seems, there is something to be said for it. If the internet goes down in the future (and it will), all global communication will be impossible under a DNS based system, where as with 2 separate phone infrastructures you at least have some communication in the event of a massive world wide internet outage.

  14. Why on earth.. by Nomeko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    would you use the phone number as a universally unique id?

    One user might have several phone numbers, while the one phone number might have several users.

    Additionally, the phone number is not portable across national borders. You can not bring your Norwegian phone number and use it with an american registrar.

    Additionally users might be forced at regular basis to change their phone numbers. Me for one, had to change my phone number when I changed employer.

    Database designers have known this for ages. Always assign a new unique id to any row in a table. Ids that seem unique and stable might change. Even social security numbers might change.

    Oh.. Who would want all their contact info to be collected in one global system available for all?

    1. Re:Why on earth.. by jpyeck · · Score: 1

      posting to remove bad mod... should have been +1 Insightful

  15. why backword? by xonicx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ENUM is a temporary workaround to make SIPURI and TelURI compatible. Once everyone start using sipuri, enum will phaseout. joe@airtel.com is easier to remember than +918764233906

  16. Single person != single identity by KlaymenDK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do not want a single number, because I do not have a single identity.

    I do not want my work to call me on my personal phone, so they don't have that number. But my job naturally requires some amount of phone work, so they all have *that* number. Makes sense, right?

    1. Re:Single person != single identity by Octorian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree with you completely on this notion of a person having multiple identities. I often run into other people who I wish would get the message.

      At best, we need two identities. Basically, a work identity and a personal identity. (Of course in reality its quite common to have multiple work identities depending on your specific situation, but they're rarely all actually necessary.)

      One thing that makes no sense to me, however, is all the people out there who use their work identity *as* their personal identity. Often these people may be the same types who "don't use a computer at home" and thus do all their computing at work. Or maybe they simply don't understand that its actually a good idea to keep them separate. Probably the only thing that'll knock them in-line is a surprise hostile layoff. (which may not be likely everywhere, but you always have to expect it as a possibility)

    2. Re:Single person != single identity by BitKat · · Score: 1

      Well, with ENUM you can still have those two numbers, each referring to their own set of services. One for home use and one for work. Where's the problem?

    3. Re:Single person != single identity by hanabal · · Score: 1

      what about contact number just for friends and family. Of course you wouldn't want to give your main number to a random girl in a bar who might start stalking you, so you have a new number just for that occasion. you may also prefer a number to be used by services that you have to sign up for. and it goes on

    4. Re:Single person != single identity by LarrySDonald · · Score: 1

      Hell of a lot of it. If you want to be found, you can easily get your name (with perhaps a general location, like "John Random Loser, Iowa") to be the top google hit. Put everything you please on the page, including any phone numbers, addresses, GPS coordinates, etc. There you go - anyone who knows your name and perhaps some minor detail to tell you apart from namespace crashes can find out all of your contact info. But we don't do that, because of the people we'd prefer didn't find us. We'd like a degree of control over who gets what and a modicum of firewalls to limit damage when one of the IDs get found out by the wrong people and has to be abandoned.

    5. Re:Single person != single identity by Speare · · Score: 1

      I do not want a single number, because I do not have a single identity.

      I wonder why more techno-savvy people don't get this point. A computer doesn't have to have only one network address/interface, why should people?

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    6. Re:Single person != single identity by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a Grand Central/Google Voice setup would be in order then. With Google Voice (previously Grand Central), I can give everyone a phone number and it will ring all of my phones. However, I can also specify some rules. For example, if someone from my work calls me on my Google Voice number, I can have it only ring my work phone and cell phone and not my wife's cell phone or my home phone. If I call the Google Voice number, it will call my wife's cell and our home phone, not my cell or work phone. So you can give your work and personal contacts the same number and what phone(s) it rings would depend on who is calling you.

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    7. Re:Single person != single identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that why you, me, and him are the only 3 people not on Facebook? I mean, that the rest of the world does not "go" that way?

    8. Re:Single person != single identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Home and Work aren't enough. Do you want EVERYONE you know in your personal life to have access to ALL your communication methods? What about the annoying guy you get emails from daily? At least with email, you can easily filter, and there is a lesser expectation on his part of your reply being timely. If your ENUM id gave that person access to your phone, it would be ringing all day long. What about the throwaway emails you use to register software, since some packages require a real address? Do you really want all the resulting spam to flood your actual personal email address? I keep a separate email for family, one for school friends, one for gaming friends, one for coworkers, one for work, one for my wife, and something like 5 more for forums, software registration, etc. I don't, in any way, want all that tied together.

      And of those, ONE is tied to my actual home street address.

    9. Re:Single person != single identity by snspdaarf · · Score: 3, Funny

      I do not want a single number, because I do not have a single identity.

      Exactly. At home, I am a cop. In an internet chat room, I am a 15 year old girl who's parents have gone away for the weekend.

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    10. Re:Single person != single identity by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      As time goes on and our culture evolves, there will be fewer people using their work identity as their personal identity for the simple reason that they've changed jobs a few times and understand what a bad idea it is. (Especially when one of those "surprise hostile layoffs" is termination for personal use of a company computer.) Becoming an employee @example.com and remaining there for the rest of your life is a quaint 20th century notion, and I'd be really surprised to see anyone under 30 (or even 40) thinking that they could use their work identity as their personal identity (unless they're the sort of luddite/technophobe who still writes checks at the grocery store).

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    11. Re:Single person != single identity by russotto · · Score: 1

      At home, I am a cop. In an internet chat room, I am a 15 year old girl who's parents have gone away for the weekend.

      Oddly enough, your daughter has it just the other way around.

    12. Re:Single person != single identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's your email address for the latter identity? ;)

    13. Re:Single person != single identity by knarfling · · Score: 1

      Actually, only two of my identities* have delusions, but one of them is paranoid and the other is out to get him.


      *Personalities.

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    14. Re:Single person != single identity by bar-agent · · Score: 3, Funny

      am a 15 year old girl who's parents have gone away for the weekend.

      OHAI! How do you feel about robes...and wizard hats?

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    15. Re:Single person != single identity by chord.wav · · Score: 1

      Batman is that you?

    16. Re:Single person != single identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What are you wearing?

    17. Re:Single person != single identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Curiously at home I am a 15 year old girl and in Internet chats I'm a cop. Arresting development eh!

    18. Re:Single person != single identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol ill pretend you said 18

  17. Oh joy, another Universal ID by wiredog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that corporations, governments, and scammers, can use to track us.

    1. Re:Oh joy, another Universal ID by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      You're going to get such a universal ID, like it or not (I don't).

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  18. Obsolete by jmyers · · Score: 1

    Easy to remember numbers or email addresses or anything else are obsolete. Everyone uses an address book built into the phone or other device and never has to remember anything other than your name or what ever they filed it under. People almost never exchange email addresses or phone numbers. You send someone as email so they have your address. They add your phone number from caller id to their address book.

    1. Re:Obsolete by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      On the internet are going back to the "Welsh" system of naming people. In Wales there were a lot of isolated villages with only a few surnames, so people would be referred to by their occupation or a ditinguishing feature, like "Dai Station" or "Dai baker". There are people I know on the internet as "John the Buddhist", "Ausy Mark" and so on.

      Not only do we have directories but they all have personalised names!

    2. Re:Obsolete by residieu · · Score: 1

      There must be SOME sharing of addresses/numbers there, or the first person can't contact the second person so they can add them to address books. You're right, though. It doesn't have to be memorable, though it helps when I can remember my own phone number, which is tricky some days...

    3. Re:Obsolete by Alnitak73 · · Score: 1

      They add your phone number from caller id to their address book.

      Yes, and if they install something like my Enumdroid app (ENUM lookups for Android) then any time you call them thereafter it can automatically find their current SIP, Skype, EMail, Jabber, Twitter IDs etc just by looking them up in ENUM keyed off that previously received Caller ID.

  19. My precious! by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    One ring to rule them all!

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    1. Re:My precious! by oDDmON+oUT · · Score: 1

      Who will be the Sauron of this tale? Google? MS? USDoJ?

      With Saruman played by Apple? Napster? TSA?

      heh.

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  20. Not good enough by rennerik · · Score: 2, Funny

    Pfft, phone numbers. That's so 19th century. They really should come up with something a lot more modern. Ahhh yes, I can see it now:

    "Oh my number? Sure, no problem. Do you have a pen? Here we go: f3a9d4c1-0bff-4792-bf3b-09513ef61af8. It forwards to my home, though, so don't call too late. You can also use it to text me, or IM me. Looking forward to hearing from you!"

    1. Re:Not good enough by Inda · · Score: 1

      To shorten that number, you could increase the number of digits and characters. Maybe 26 characters and 10 digits.

      Also, to save complications, we could all be given a number at birth. Maybe we could share part of our number with our parents to aid family tracking.

      i.e. My first born son's number would probably be "Cletus Inda 01/05/2010" sans the caps and slashes.

      Think it would work?

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    2. Re:Not good enough by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Even if it's that bad, how many times do you enter someone's number in your cell phone?
       
      For most people, it's once. They you sync your address/contact list, and you're done. Honestly, how is that WORSE than inputting in a name, IM handle, email address, home phone, work phone, cell phone, twitter name, facebook name, home address, etc?
       
      While I understand the security/spam issues with tying everything to one number, a hangup based on the data entry is stupid. We tend to enter far more data for an average contact than that.

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  21. I am not a number! I am a free man! by damburger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How the hell did this thread go so long without a Prisoner reference?

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    1. Re:I am not a number! I am a free man! by nickmclean · · Score: 1

      I am not A number, I'm a whole bunch of numbers, all of which I shouldn't write down...

    2. Re:I am not a number! I am a free man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or paranoid number of the beast reference?

    3. Re:I am not a number! I am a free man! by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 1

      Just guessing, but maybe because that was the better part of half a century ago?

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    4. Re:I am not a number! I am a free man! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No no no, Paranoid was Black Sabbath. Number of the Beast was Iron Maiden. Totally different...

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    5. Re:I am not a number! I am a free man! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Number 2 is still working out which number I am. He's been going for 4 minutes now. Needless to say "6" was taken by someone closer to the deal than me. I'll be lucky to get something close to my UID. More than likely it'll be something close to my MAC address mixed with the VIN on my car.

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    6. Re:I am not a number! I am a free man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We were all waiting for You!

  22. DNS by pikine · · Score: 2, Informative

    The ENUM proposal is essentially asking for DNS lookup as a public service run by government or other regulatory bodies. First of all, as you said, why don't we just use names? And second, I'm not sure we want public DNS run by government or regulatory bodies. We already have community-run free DNS service such as http://freedns.afraid.org/ or commercial free service like http://www.dyndns.com/ or http://www.zoneedit.com/. If you're worried that free services would go away, a lot of domain name registries are also offering DNS service at nominal fee, and they would be less likely to vanish. Several people can share the cost of a domain.

    All people need to do is to find creative uses of domain names. I think this is the hard part.

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    1. Re:DNS by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I didn't RTFA, but it's not a new idea, and both you and the submitter seem to be missing the point. You can store arbitrary contact addresses in NAPTR records in DNS, so you can store email, SIP, POTS addresses, or anything else that can be represented by a URI. The other part of this is allowing reverse mappings, from telephone numbers to something less archaic.

      Telephone numbers, like IP addresses, are globally unique network endpoint identifiers. They are assigned by the UN (specifically the ITU-T, which assigns prefixes to countries) and allow you to call any telephone from any other telephone in the world. The problem comes when you have an endpoint that is really a SIP account, for example. Currently, that mapping has to be done in quite a static way.

      The idea of the proposal is that the e164.arpa. domain will be reserved for resolving telephone numbers to domains, just as in-addr.arpa is used for resolving IP addresses to names. This doesn't need to be government run, but it does need to be authoritative. That means that e164.arpa will be controlled by the ITU, 1.e164.arpa will be controlled by the USA, 4.4.e164.arpa by the UK and so on. You will then get a subdomain of this. Telephone companies that have large assignments of phone numbers get large ones, individuals may get a single 15-digit number. This can then map to any other resource.

      It's not intended as a long-term solution. Eventually, the POTS network is going away (large chunks of it are IP internally already) and you will just use DNS to map directly to SIP, but while interoperability with the POTS network is desirable - say, for the next couple of decades - this lets people with POTS phones initiate calls to SIP phones without having to define a specific bridge or static routing. You'll dial a number on your phone, your telco will look up the SIP address and then route the call there via their bridge.

      I currently have a phone number connected to a SIP address, but it only works from POTS lines because my SIP provider operates a SIP to POTS bridge. With this proposal, anyone can operate one trivially. You will just need to get an e164 number assigned to you and configure the DNS entries to point to your Asterisk (or whatever) server.

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    2. Re:DNS by xaosflux · · Score: 2, Informative

      I didn't RTFA, but it's not a new idea

      It certainly is not, 1996 just called and wants their Universal Internet Numbers back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICQ#UIN)

    3. Re:DNS by Smivs · · Score: 2, Funny

      I didn't RTFA.....

      You must be old here!

    4. Re:DNS by pikine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I currently have a phone number connected to a SIP address, but it only works from POTS lines because my SIP provider operates a SIP to POTS bridge. With this proposal, anyone can operate one trivially. You will just need to get an e164 number assigned to you and configure the DNS entries to point to your Asterisk (or whatever) server.

      VoIP providers are in the business of running the bridge, which duplicates the functionality of telephone number to IP address mapping like ENUM. You configure the bridge to route calls to your SIP server, and it all works as intended. What makes you think a POTS provider would be willing to route calls over e164.arpa lookup? If they were to implement something new, might as well ask them to implement dialing by URI.

      I also don't see why you want a telephone number to redirect to some URI that the phone might not be able to interact with (say, a landline phone dialing a number that maps to an e-mail address). If the phone understands the URI, just enter the URI directly to the phone. I don't even remember phone numbers anymore, but have much better luck with e-mail addresses and IM screen names.

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    5. Re:DNS by homb · · Score: 1

      This is exactly what the .tel TLD is for, and it's already live.

    6. Re:DNS by peragrin · · Score: 1

      The whole point of this is the part you can't understand? You will have mulitple uri listed. One for your phone, one for your mobile, one for your IM client, one for your email, and one for your personal web page. This way you can pass one contact number to someone and they can contact you using the best method available.

      My only problem with this isn't the concept but can I get two. One public and one private.

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    7. Re:DNS by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      Right. And if I'm understanding correctly, mappings would also be possible for other communication methods such as email, text chat, etc. So you wouldn't have to specifically give out your e164 number, but, say, your email address (which is unique enough), and once someone has entered that in their phone, they can look you up and contact you by any of the methods you've published.

      It would be great if it were even interactive, i.e. you could specify how you would want to be contacted at any given moment, and maybe even by any given person. So when your boss fires up his/her smartphone to contact you on the weekend, it doesn't even allow them to call you, but instead opens their email application. But your 8.5-mo-pregnant wife gets the option of email, SMS, chat, call, and smoke signal.

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    8. Re:DNS by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. The problem with TFA is that it's confusing lots of different things. Right now, we have DNS which can map a domain name to stuff. This stuff can include any arbitrary URIs. You can set a SIP address a mailto: address and so on as DNS records for the aaacounters.com domain, and then some more for friends.aaacounters.com, and others for family.aaacounters.com. This is possible right now with existing technology, but it isn't used much. If someone has a SIP phone that understands these records, then you can just enter the domain and it will resolve the SIP address. If someone has a mail client that understands the mapping then it will correctly resolve the domain to an email address.

      The next bit is for bridging with POTS. You will get a reverse-lookup record in the e164.arpa domain, just as you do for IP addresses in the in-addr.arpa domain now. This will contain a PTR which points to your domain. You might have 15551234567 as a phone number. This would be mapped to the 7.6.5.4.3.2.1.5.5.5.1.e164.arpa domain. Anyone could do a lookup on that, and they'd get a PTR record telling them to go to aaacounters.com.

      The advantage of this is that it allows bidirectional POTS bridging. You can store POTS addresses in the record for your domain, and then people with SIP phones can call your POTS number via their favourite SIP to POTS bridge. Alternatively, you can store a SIP number and people with SIP phones can call it directly, while POTS networks can forward the call over the Internet to the address that you advertise. Similarly, if you send an SMS to 15551234567 and it only advertises an email address, but no POTS address, then the sending network may wrap the SMS in an email and forward it to you.

      One of the nice side effects of this system is that you get client-side redirection for free. At the moment, telephone redirection is done by forwarding. I can have my SIP number redirected to my mobile if I don't answer it, but that is implemented by my SIP provider calling my mobile (which costs me money) and forwarding the connection. With this system, I'd just have both the mobile's POTS number and the SIP address in my DNS record and a PTR to that from another e164 number. Someone dialing that number from a phone would get both the SIP and the POTS addresses. Their network could then try both numbers in order, so the caller would end up with a direct connection to me (no forwarding), whichever phone I was using. Similarly, you could chain your work, home and mobile numbers together like this, so someone calling you would get whichever one you were near (and with a little scripting, you could have the order alternate depending on the time of day, so your work phone would get priority during the day, your home one in the evenings).

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    9. Re:DNS by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      I don't think it needs to be that creative.. there are .me and .info for vanity domains that could be easily used as a reference point. I have a domain turn2.me that I had planned on simply making a contact point that could point to people's other contacts... ex: you could have http://turn2.me/pikine which would show a page that had any key/value pairs you want publicly displayed, no "friends" list, only public. From there, you can put your myspace, facebook, twitter or IM information in there. Maybe post *one* picture, and maybe a resume document. Could even do it as an OpenID authority. Basically something you can put in your email signature or a personal business card as "this is how to get a hold of me" that point doesn't change, but you can change on there how they get a hold of you, when you stop using linked in.

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  23. Digital stone age by TimeElf1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, instead of having a separate email, IM, facebook, phone number, etc we have one unique number? Great so if we forget our unique number we are totally screwed rather than just a little bit screwed. No thanks, if this is the future I'll just stay in the digital stone age.

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    1. Re:Digital stone age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... You've forgotten your phone number at some point in your life? And you call yourself a geek.

    2. Re:Digital stone age by Alnitak73 · · Score: 1

      No, you've missed the point. You can (and should) still have all those IDs. But they can be found by looking them up in the ENUM database with your telephone number as the key.

    3. Re:Digital stone age by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      You'll have a lot of company with all the people who forgot their unique number....

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  24. Reminds me of Compuserve almost 20 years ago by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

    Who could forget the PITA it was to transcribe someones compuserve number, so that they can send a email later?

    Hell I forgot my Compuserve number...

    It almost reminds me of the old telegraph days (My office used telegraph to send message to ships). I had a telegraph number and an answer back.

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    1. Re:Reminds me of Compuserve almost 20 years ago by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      Who could forget the PITA it was to transcribe someones compuserve number, so that they can send a email later?

      Or, the nightmare that was EasyLink.

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  25. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by MrMr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I prefer a mobile with just 10 data entry keys.
    The user-friendliness of having to select something from a 150 entry drop-down or having to press every key (a different) multiple times is vastly overrated.

  26. I've been patient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great stuff. I've been waiting for years.

  27. Numbers? That's what URLs are for! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We should rather use DNS for phone numbers, and then allow something like:
    phone:cowboyneal@slashdot.org
    Similar to “mailto:”.
    Or one of
    ^(phone|voip):(//)?(cowboyneal@slashdot\.org|slashdot\.org/~cowboyneal/?)$

    By the way: Why are URLs (URIs) so inconsistent?
    I guess the voip and @ version is the cleanest one. But I’m not sure about the point of the “//”.

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    1. Re:Numbers? That's what URLs are for! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Numbers? That's what URLs are for! by burkmat · · Score: 1

      I believe the official explanation is that "it seemed like a good idea at the time."

    3. Re:Numbers? That's what URLs are for! by SuperQ · · Score: 1

      Yup, phone numbers are stupid. Organizing communication by user@domain is a much better way to to do it. This makes it easy for people to have multiple, but easy to remember identities. I have my user@work.com and my personal handle@personal.net. People who don't have a personal.net can simply use a service like gmail.com. Wouldn't it be nice if you could just remember someone's gmail, hotmail, yahoo, whatever address and that was your way to contact them via email, chat, or voice/video?

    4. Re:Numbers? That's what URLs are for! by horza · · Score: 1

      But I’m not sure about the point of the “//”

      I presume it is to indicate a remote directory, as if you do a single slash it is a local absolute path and no slash means a local relative path. I don't think there is really an inconsistency. One is a URL and the other an email address. Both have clear unambiguous RFCs.

      Phillip.

  28. Enum: why you want it by Raindeer · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm the author of the piece. Most comments in my opinion make the mistake of saying: I want this or that to be my identifier. Or I don't want a universal identifier.

    The reality is: there are two identifiers that are on most business cards. Phone numbers and e-mail adresses. Both could be used in a much more advanced way. No matter which way you look at it the telephone number won't go away. ENUM would enable you to use it in multiple ways.

    1. Re:Enum: why you want it by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 1

      No matter which way you look at it the telephone number won't go away.

      No matter which way you look at it, the horse and buggy won't go away.

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    2. Re:Enum: why you want it by ascari · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My email and my phone number are the two things in my life that are constantly subject to abuse by outsiders. (Spammers, telemarketers etc.) You have not made a convincing case why it's actually a good idea to extend merger them or to other aspects of my life.

    3. Re:Enum: why you want it by jpyeck · · Score: 1

      No matter which way you look at it the telephone number won't go away.

      No matter which way you look at it, the horse and buggy won't go away.

      And, in many areas in the world, including places in the industrialized world (driven through Amish country lately?), they haven't!

    4. Re:Enum: why you want it by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      Also, my email has an automated spam filter. My phone doesn't.

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    5. Re:Enum: why you want it by homb · · Score: 1

      But why would you want ENUM when .tel already does it in much more generalized way, and with encryption to boot?

    6. Re:Enum: why you want it by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      GoogleVOICE does.

      You put people into groups, gVoice will screen accordingly. I never hear telemarketers. My voice message for unknown people is "This is my phone number, however I don't know who you are, so leave a message and a call back number, and I will return your call. Otherwise, stop calling me, because I'll never answer."

      It works like a charm. People who REALLY want to get a hold of me, will leave a message.

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    7. Re:Enum: why you want it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you fail to understand is that not everyone has business cards and for those who do, most have those two pieces of information for business and do NOT include personal email addresses and phone numbers.

    8. Re:Enum: why you want it by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 1

      In a sense, the horse & buggy haven't gone away.
      We compare engines by their horsepower, & some buggy manufacturers became automobile body builders (for example, Fisher Body(note their logo).

  29. The simple guide to make money online by eugene2k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. Join an adult affiliate network and choose a website for promotion

    2.
    for (enum=0;enum=OVER9000;enum++)
    {
    SendMessageToEnum(enum,"Hi! Check out my new website: www.chickswithdicks.com");
    }

    3. ???

    4. PROFIT!

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    1. Re:The simple guide to make money online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting anon to say "OVER9000" in a for loop is just hilarious to me.

  30. I like moving and losing .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like moving and losing a few "friends" who aren't really my friend. I suspect a few of them are happy when I relocate as well.

    I have google voice and much of this is possible already. Fortunately, I don't use the other google contact stuff at all, so feel free to spam away. The IM and email addresses that I really use are not for public consumption or easy guessing, thank you very much.

    If you've ever been bothered by bill collectors (who had the wrong number), image what this would be like if they got your 1-contact and began harassing you in error. No thanks.

    If you've ever been bothered by overseas phone callers try to solicit purchases or charity or whatever, there's no legal way to stop that either. No thanks.

    I don't need even more ways for people I don't know to contact me. What this idea thought up by a teenager?

    1. Re:I like moving and losing .... by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      I like moving and losing a few "friends" who aren't really my friend. I suspect a few of them are happy when I relocate as well.

      Is that you Osama?

  31. A George divided against itself cannot stand! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  32. What we really want though by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What we really want though is not "one number", but "one use numbers", the same as Gishpuppy email addresses. That way you can leave your number with the girl in the bar, and when she decides that you were some annoying nerd and gets her brother to write it up in the men's loo you can just cancel it.

    I would really not want to have one number misused that would also give my email address, skype, google chat and website to everyone!

  33. Vanity numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey! This way we can encode our IM nicks into numbers, so we don't need to remember the difficult number.

  34. Isn't this backwards? by MattRog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why, in this day and age, are we talking about NUMBERS? Do we address websites via IP address? No, we have DNS.

    Why isn't there a DNS for phones? I pick a name, perhaps even something as simple and unique as MY EMAIL ADDRESS, and then anyone who knows my email address can contact me. Or, just like DNS, I can set up any number of unique names for various things (my-recruiters@gmail;) that point to some sort of numeric based phone.

    You could even call it Phone Name System.

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    1. Re:Isn't this backwards? by gristlebud · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_book It's been around for 100 years.

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  35. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by Nomeko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And you'r not able to search the list using the 10 digit keypad on your phone?

    I'm able to call noob only by pressing 666 :P

  36. End Times by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't believe nobody's figured out that ENUM is simply the Mark of the Beast and is going to be burned into chips that will implanted in our brainstems.

    ENUM spelled backwards is MUNE and it's on the MUNE that they have the secret military bases where they're going to send those of us that won't use our ENUMs.

    The only thing that can save us now is when the prophesied "Woman of the North" comes down from Alaska to use her secret mental powers to organize the Wolverines(!) so we can defeat the forces of ZOG and usher in the return of Jesus and Ronald Wilson Reagan where they will reign together for 1000 years.

    Don't you guys read your bibles and World Net Daily? megamerican, where are you when we really need you?

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    1. Re:End Times by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Hi, I represent the Obama Administration, and accordingly you are labeled a "Right wing Extremist" and we've placed you and your group under our surveillance program. We have or will shortly infiltrate your group with our agent(s).

      Janet is now preparing her next "The system worked" speech.

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    2. Re:End Times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, I represent the Obama Administration, and accordingly you are labeled a "Right wing Extremist" and we've placed you and your group under our surveillance program.

      Thank god somebody's watching those kooks.

    3. Re:End Times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Just as long as they are "those kooks" and not the "kooks" on your side, right?

  37. It has been done many years before... by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 1

    ...but you had to dial a very long number. I hope they will offer a better solution.

  38. Good idea...i think by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Seriously, I do see the advantage...of which your universal number could also become your ssn, and tie into your phone number and drivers license, even your passport, then again why stop there, you could have it easily accessible through a chip or a barcode tattoo...
    wait a minute, i think i heard of this story before...link here

  39. well yeah by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    if jenny is worth writing a song about her phone number, you just know she is a prime cut of female finery

    as for the issue of prime twins, oh man, are her twins prime!

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  40. Just say no by LiteralBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I see nothing wrong with keeping email, IM, Facebook and whatever else separate from my phone number. Despite the conventional wisdom of this age, I have no desire to be "constantly connected" and reachable, much less have it all rolled into one convenient number. Besides the "one stop" hacking opportunity alluded to in someone else's comment above, it also strikes me as one more step towards a world of constant surveillance.

  41. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this insightful. I cannot remember the last time I typed a cellphone number to call someone and selecting someone from a long list with just 10 keys works fine thank you.

  42. Danger of single numbers by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A single number to identify people would be just as powerful as a SSN or driver's license number. It would make fraud so much easier. Eventually people would compile databases tying these IDs to SSNs and would distribute those online. Then we would start seeing advisories to keep your single contact number a secret!

    On the positive side, perhaps this would help to convince financial institutions that simply knowing someone's SSN and mother's maiden name doesn't prove anything about identity.

    1. Re:Danger of single numbers by Vamman · · Score: 1

      Exactly! In Canada, and I know for certain most nations as well, have a number which given to all citizens of the country. I'm a bit worried about this new proposal. What about all of the people out there with more devious criminal intentions than just SPAM. It seems to me that people will become very reluctant to share this number with others like people are with their government issued IDs. If you know someone's social insurance number, full name, birthdate, place of birth, and their parents names, you can become them! It seems to me that a an ID number that is associated with everything I do online (as well as the phone) is a freaking bad idea. What kind of password will be required to gain access to this number?

  43. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

    I know the blackberry- along with many/most other phones I'm sure- has voice recognition to allow you to assign a name to various phone numbers as you wish. Despite phone numbers having to be unique, this system lets everyone use "home" as the name as their home phone number, and everyone with a friend named Dave can call a different Dave. Not to mention you can use whatever name you would find easy to remember. I would rather use a similar, user-defined naming system on top of a unique number standardized system. Among other things I don't think we need another batch of domain squatters and squabbling over what company gets what common names, so I favor making this numbering system and leaving it at that.

  44. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    Yeah keep thinking that zippy.

    How exactly will emergency phone calls like 911 work?

    Yeah see that's the problem. There's alot more going on with phone number than you realize.

    Then of course there are the privacy concerns.

    Techno-morons need to think and stop masturbating over shiny new gadets!

  45. Bit of PC in the article by RobertLTux · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Using numbers made it easier to train people to operate the exchanges. (Women were chosen because their voices worked better in exchanges.)"

    No Women were used because the messenger boys they replaced were proto-hackers and kept doing nasty tricks to the customers.

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  46. old news by fulldecent · · Score: 1

    This is already done. It's called an email address.

    Import your gmail contacts to find new friends on facebook. this concept is applied many ways.

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  47. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Informative

    A number is very easy to give over the phone. Easier than an e-mail address. This as so many letters sound very similar and so.

    In practice I have been giving my fax number over the phone so they could fax me their e-mail address. Works great! Particularly considering I am often working with Chinese and other Asians with sometimes very poor spoken command of English. Numbers then go remarkably easy.

  48. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by complete+loony · · Score: 1

    Why would you want to keep the telephone number?

    Long term? You don't. But as the world moves to SIP or some other telephony solution that runs on the internet, some people in the world will be stuck for some time on a POTS exchange with a simple phone that can only dial numbers. So what if that exchange didn't have to use the normal international phone network but could use DNS to find a SIP server to route the call to directly over the internet?

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  49. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by cgenman · · Score: 1

    I prefer to google a phone number and just click "call."

  50. I already have a unique ID by BitZtream · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I already have this. Its my email address. Everything I do on the Internet is keyed to an email address.

    Email is email, obviously.
    XMPP for IM, uses my email address.
    Facebook I don't use, I actually have a live so I don't have time to sit around and convince others that I have one or to collect friends for the popularity contest.
    Phones - If I email you, you'll get my phone number. This won't be an issue for too much longer I don't think, its just going to take everyone finally going to VoIP (cringe)

    So uhm, this is a solution searching for a problem I take it?

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  51. $0.02 from an XML geek by psbrogna · · Score: 1

    Why not switch to XPath for personal GUIDs? For example ///[/address]/, etc...and when it's time, prefixing ///... is easy enough.
    As far as the Spam issue many have brought up, I don't think security through obscurity is ever going to be adequate protection so worrying about the public registry of IDs seems like a waste of time- the evil marketers will only either derive your ID via brute force or buy the ID from somebody else. Using finer grained sender authentication at the user level (combined with cryptographic certificates for sender identity assurance) would seem to me to be the appropriate solution.

  52. Wow, great concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe nobody has thought of this before!

  53. Integrate other stuff. by operagost · · Score: 1

    I'd like my Windows recycling bin to point to the trash can under my desk. And /dev/null to the toilet. And my bank account number to point to Warren Buffet's.

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    1. Re:Integrate other stuff. by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 1

      It will suck when Warren Buffet cleans you out.

  54. Re:$0.02 from an XML geek errata by psbrogna · · Score: 1

    Wow- my post got mangled. Let's try this again: Why not switch to XPath for personal GUIDs? For example /<country>/<city|<region>/[/<address>]<name>, etc...and when it's time, prefixing /<star>/<planet>/... is easy enough. As far as the Spam issue many have brought up, I don't think security through obscurity is ever going to be adequate protection so worrying about the public registry of IDs seems like a waste of time- the evil marketers will either derive your ID via brute force or buy the ID from somebody else. Using finer grained sender authentication at the user level (combined with cryptographic certificates for sender identity assurance) would seem to me to be the appropriate solution.

  55. Here's my number by arndawg · · Score: 2, Funny

    0118 999 881 999 119 725........3

    1. Re:Here's my number by jc79 · · Score: 1

      0118 999 881 999 119 725........3

      There's a fire in here. Could you attend to it?

  56. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by residieu · · Score: 1

    I assumed "Dragging Telephone Numbers into the Internet Age" meant something like replacing numbers on phones with some other form of id. Apparently, I was wrong.

  57. On SSN fraud, and identifiers vs. authenticators by jonaskoelker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A single number to identify people would be just as powerful as a SSN or driver's license number. It would make fraud so much easier.

    While you are right in practice, it doesn't need to be so in theory.

    On /. you are "CopaceticOpus". That is, in the slashdot universe you have a single number which identifies you. Does that make you more vulnerable to /. fraud?

    No, you have a password which you use to prove that you are the person identified by the name CopaceticOpus.

    The problem with SSNs is that they don't have a password.

    Using a single identifier isn't a danger in itself; it just magnifies the underlying problem of not having a secure way to establish which people the identifiers identify (and which they don't).

  58. Cost rules by jeroen94704 · · Score: 1

    Here's how it works, and why it isn't already widely used.

    The reason it's not widely used yet, and why it will not be widely used by individuals (a requirement for ENUM to become useful, IMHO), is because when registering an ENUM number costs EUR 45 signup fee + EUR 1.79/month, according to the website of one of the registrars that is currently contracted to sell ENUM numbers in the Netherlands.

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    1. Re:Cost rules by bn-7bc · · Score: 0

      well if you have astreisk ruining an accessible from inet head to e164.org an register youre normal telephone number there you can forward it to a sip url, Ok for this to work the originating side of the call has to do lookups in e164.org in addition to e164.arpa but i see no resen for them not to, as this wold enable them to route more calls over voip (in most cases free)

  59. Use ICQ numbers! by Mishotaki · · Score: 1

    It's not like anyone uses them anymore...

  60. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by camperdave · · Score: 1

    ...and everyone with a friend named Dave can call a different Dave.

    As Dave, I appreciate that.

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  61. SSN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't they just use our social security numbers as our ENUM?

    I'm sure it's already linked to in all gov databases to your phone/address/CC/personal info, it would make things easier and more transparent, right?

    (Oh that's right, lets keep the illusion of personal privacy).

  62. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by VShael · · Score: 2, Insightful

    in 50 years people will never have heard of phone numbers

    Considering that today, we still know of the phonograph, telegraph poles, and telegrams.... human nature and socities memory doesn't change as quickly as you think, even when it comes to outmoded technology.

  63. I get off watching you getting off watching me by AverageJoe8686 · · Score: 1

    This one number thing idea is a stalker's wet dream. Hello nurse.

  64. Re:Spam spam spam... (private# and aliases) by johnrpenner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i've thought about this before - i think what one needs is a single PRIVATE number - that never gets given out to anyone - and you have a bunch of private ALIAS/Reference numbers which you yourself point to your private number - then you only give out the aliases - and if one of the aliases gets overloaded, you pull the plug on the alias, create a new alias, and then direct that new alias towards your private number.

  65. Speech recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    10 buttons? How about 1 button. You press it, and say "Call Bill at FooCompany" and it looks up FooCompany and then figures out who Bill is. Speech recognition will eventually be good enough on low-power devices for this.

  66. US Specific by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be about as likely to give out my social security number as to use this system.

  67. Changing numbers? by HikingStick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In reviewing the comments, I did not notice anyone raising the idea of wanting to (or needing to) change numbers (except one who noted that they like getting a new number when they move so that old acquaintances can be dropped). If the phone number becomes the primary hook on which all other identities are hung, what happens when you want an unlisted number or have need to change numbers? Victims of domestic abuse, some State employees (like corrections officers), and others have reasons to either switch numbers or request an unlisted number. In Minnesota, corrections officers can even request vehicle license plates that are registered to the State so that the inmates can't use their personal license plate numbers as a means to have friends on the outside look up personal information on them (the corrections officers).

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  68. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is why smart phones with onscreen touch or physical keyboards are all the rage right now... One trivial technical issue is no reason to stick with the current, annoying phone number system.

  69. Was Lucas right? by VirtualUK · · Score: 1

    Maybe names like THX-1138 aren't that far off in the future after all?

  70. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has nothing to with what we use as identifiers. It's a UI issue. It'll take very little effort for your device to simply map a 3-digit code to each person on your list that you can use as their "phone number".

  71. Gold Medal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    KlaymenDK (713149) wins the gold medal!

    The basic concept of identity management espoused in the article is sound, but it mustn't be tied to a person's physical identity. People have varying needs from identities, and must be free to create and destroy them as they see fit. Any system that is used must recognize that. Further, as it would happen anyway, building it in increases the trust of the system. If I know that KlaymenDK might have alter egos then I can act accordingly. That versus being fooled that there is only one identity associated with a physical person which would enable fraud.

    What should be attached to an identity? Anything that the user wants, including an escrow account (no direct funding should be attached), access to banking, websites, phones, buildings, etc. But the sensitive ones on that list (again, direct funding, banks, and in some cases building access, etc.) require the identity to be authenticated along with some extra identity that verifies it is the real, unique person. This could be accomplished in various ways, but building it in to a physical device (eg, a mobile phone) with a single password (for encryption-based authentication) and possibly biometric authentication as well.

  72. Music Moderators by BancBoy · · Score: 1

    Tommy Tutone generates a couple of +5 and Steely Dan gets a +1?
    For shame.

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    1. Re:Music Moderators by LordKronos · · Score: 2, Funny

      Steely Dan? Oh, I thought he fucked up the Phil Collins song.

  73. Unique Number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bags PI

  74. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by tecmec · · Score: 0

    That's what you may prefer, but you are the aging generation. If you look at the cell phone market you will quickly realize that smartphones, or even just "texting" dumbphones with full keyboards are becoming very popular. You don't even want to know how many highschool girls walk around with Blackberries. I'm sorry, but you are going to start noticing less and less cellphones without full keyboards.

  75. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The email address is easy to remember

    My email address 09_f9_11_02_9d_74_e3_5b_d8_41_56_c5_63_56_88_c0@aol.com, because it was easy to remember at the time.

  76. Re:Spam spam spam... (private# and aliases) by benjymous · · Score: 1

    This is what I do with email. Sadly you'll eventually get spam to the private address when someone visits a "scan my email address book for friends" type thing

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  77. Who dials anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I rarely dial phone numbers anymore. I select a contact name from a drop-down list and push the "send" button.

  78. OpenID by Gaffod · · Score: 1

    Did not RTFA, but why not just use OpenID? That way you get one identity across multiple sites, and don't have to remember random numbers. There aren't that many OpenID supporting sites, and when there are a lot have not worked for me (with Google) but when they did work I found the experience to be wonderfully convenient.

  79. Re:Spam spam spam... (private# and aliases) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also came to that conclusion. Google voice is a good start. You can use a disposable number that points to a personal number.

  80. Single number? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    I've had the same mobile number for well over a decade. If you knew my phone number in 1999, it hasn't changed. I've lived in a wide range of different places since then, though.

  81. Don't forget the embedded RFID chip. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    You want it there as well.

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  82. Re:Spam spam spam... (private# and aliases) by Simetrical · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i've thought about this before - i think what one needs is a single PRIVATE number - that never gets given out to anyone - and you have a bunch of private ALIAS/Reference numbers which you yourself point to your private number - then you only give out the aliases - and if one of the aliases gets overloaded, you pull the plug on the alias, create a new alias, and then direct that new alias towards your private number.

    I do that in Gmail with plus-addressing. For instance, if I get spam from Simetrical+dontsendhere@gmail.com, I can just block all mail from that address. Haven't had it happen yet, though.

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  83. Re:Spam spam spam... (private# and aliases) by raddan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    NUMBERS, wow, great idea! After that, we'll need some kind of DIRECTORY to figure out what the numbers map to.

    Ironically, current telephone architecture is better than current Internet technology (any telephone number, anywhere, can be portable; IPs-- NOT!), and they want to "marry telephone numbers to the Internet"? Why not marry the Internet to telephone numbers instead?

    People, numbers are ADDRESSES. They're supposed to imply location, otherwise, why not use a more intuitive identifier, like [your name]? This is a terrible idea.

  84. Can I .... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... register an ENUM with the registrar of my choice? Maybe I'd like one overseas. Can I select the name resolution service that will handle my ENUM? Maybe I'd like one in a legal jurisdiction that won't bend over every time the Feds come calling. Can I implement custom filters, redirection rules and other features on my ENUM resolution server? Maybe I want to direct certain callers to one site and the riff-raff elsewhere?

    On the other side of the equation, with all of these capabilities I wonder how long it will be before the ENUM folks implement something like 'domain tasting' and bugger up caller ID, make life easier for shady telemarketers, etc.

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  85. Re:Spam spam spam... (private# and aliases) by SwordsmanLuke · · Score: 1

    Like Google Voice

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  86. The Problem with Enum by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem with ENUM is that the data is stored in DNS. Which means it is harvestable and intended to be cached. I don't _want_ to share my email addresses, Facebook ID, work, cell and home phone numbers and IM addresses with anyone and everyone. That's just stupid.

    ENUM is a Bell-Head protocol invented before spam. It was meant to be easily mirrored between carriers, with the standard behaviour of "caller pays".

    What we really need is a protocol that will ask _my software_ where the call should be sent. The software is then able to decide based on the originating details if I want to receive the call, and what endpoint/protocol it should be sent to.

    That's what I want. Invidividualised call control at the point of address resolution.

    1. Re:The Problem with Enum by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 1

      Here are the current rules I use when handing out numbers:

      1) Number that may attract spam - My cell (we're in a CPP instead of B&K country)
      2) Company with a personal business relationship - cell phone
      3) Company with a shared relationship - home phone
      4) Work - home phone (don't want them to be able to get me when I'm out)
      5) Friends - cell phone and home phone

      Think about the rules you use. In the US, I'm assuming that you would hand out your home phone to possible spammers instead of your cell.

  87. Re: VoIP you say? by blueforce · · Score: 1

    VoIP, you say? This me$asge wa dictat@# usi#n9g a VoI#33P connection-on-on-on. Hope%^full^y b%and(*width impro-o-oves by by then.

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  88. OOLCAY ITAY by rnturn · · Score: 1

    Heck... I've been using a P1 sig for years now.

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      God, I haven't thought about P1 in a couple of decades. I used to love that book.

  89. Re:Spam spam spam... (private# and aliases) by kcitren · · Score: 1

    They're supposed to imply location, otherwise, why not use a more intuitive identifier, like [your name]? This is a terrible idea.

    Because numbers are more unique than names.

  90. Why numbers? by nsayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the really, really, REALLY old days of telephony, there were no numbers. You rang up the operator and asked to be connected to the Smith house, and the operator connected your plug to their socket.

    Once that stopped scaling, numbers were used because it made looking them up on a plug board a lot faster. When automatic dialing came, that scaled similarly because you could cascade stepper relays to do the dialing.

    But nowadays telephone switches have more in common with Cisco routers than they do the old gear. There's no reason that you have to number stuff anymore. The instant messaging folks - particularly jabber - are closer to what we need than the old tired PSTN numbering scheme.

  91. haha.. the I.T Crowd by KingPin27 · · Score: 1

    Newsreader: From today, dialling 999 won't get you the emergency services. And that's not the only thing that's changing. Nicer ambulances, faster response times and better-looking drivers mean they're not just "the" emergency services - they're "your" emergency services. So, remember the new number:
    [singing number]
    Newsreader: 0118 999 881 999 119 725... 3

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  92. My number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    42

  93. They picked the wrong identifier. by nilbog · · Score: 1

    This is a bad idea simply because the choose the wrong identifier. Who wants to remember a number? Email would be a much better identifier because people can choose their own and make it something easy to remember.

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  94. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by ajlisows · · Score: 1

    Right now when I want to call someone I select that person's name and press "call". If I want to IM, mail, or text, I press other buttons.

    I can't see why you think email address lists will be any different than the situation most people have right now with their cell phones. Years ago when my friends and I started using cell phones we swapped numbers, dumped them into our contacts list and never really worried about them again. I still know by heart all those peoples' home phone numbers from when we were kids but I don't think I could recite half of their current numbers.

  95. Re:Spam spam spam... (private# and aliases) by SlothDead · · Score: 1

    That actually exists for emails and is called "Spam Gourmet", where you make up a username that is tied to a real e-mail and which allows you to hand out limited addresses, like slashdotcomment.3.johnrpenner@spamgourmet.com, which will only forward 3 mails to your real address.

  96. Re:Spam spam spam... (private# and aliases) by johnrpenner · · Score: 1

    > This is what I do with email. Sadly you'll eventually get spam to the private address
    > when someone visits a "scan my email address book for friends" type thing..

    that's with email - but this isn't email - this is a system where we can set it up such that: private address will not actually be able to recieve from outside sources at all - private address can only recieve from one of user defined aliases - this way private long-term number cant get polluted by random brute-force attacks.

  97. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

    I prefer to give out my exact latitude and longitude, then have my correspondent send a specially GPS-equipped pigeon to me, carrying a flash drive with a copy of his email address stored in a plain text file.

  98. Antitrust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Antitrust, anyone?

  99. Re:Why would you want to keep the telephone number by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    I think it will go completely the other way, and that in 50 years people will never have heard of phone numbers. The identifier will be the email address, and if I want to call someone I select that address and press "call", and a VOIP connection will be made. If I want to IM or mail, I press other buttons.

    I've had that in place for about a year here. You just need to add an SRV record, of the form:

    _sip._udp.example.com

    and then have your PBX link the extensions, with, e.g. LDAP.

    --
    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  100. No Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd rather my e-mail, phone, Facebook, etc. remained separate, honestly. When I use my e-mail address to sign up for something, I really don't want them to be able to call me, find me on Facebook, check out my personal website, and find out all sorts of details about me that I'd like to keep private. Plus, spam might be an issue. No thanks.