most likely it's a chipset problem. A few K8N4 boards I've seen choke on gigabit. It should work fine for 100mbit though [which is what I use mine for]. My Tyan board has been working fine at 100mbit ever since I turned it on a week and a bit ago.
If you really need gigabit use the DLINK 530-T PCI card. It's supported by the skge/sk98lin set of drivers [can't recall which] and works smoothly at gigabit speeds. The card retails for all of $30 Canadian.
I think MSFT management is just afraid cuz of all the build up for Vista that if it goes out the door and is borked then they'll seriously loose mindshare.
I'm hoping [as an individual fed up with windows] that Vista is a flop. I'd love to hear about 0-day exploits and the like. Frankly I'm tired of rampant vendor lockin, bloaty OSes and inferior technology.
Like just recently I had to buy a copy of Word for a publishing deal. Cost me $286 CDN. What does that give me? A word processor that only runs in Windows and only edits Word files. The latter bit doesn't sound so bad until you realize the format is not properly documented anywhere and essentially requires me to keep using Windows and Word to work with the files.
Whereas, in the "real world", I can build my own Linux distro [e.g. gentoo] for free, install OpenOffice for free and be editting documents in no time flat. Then I can move those documents to my BSD or Windows machines if I want. Heck, I can even hack the document [ala unzip and sed] if I want to do something not natively supported by OO directly [e.g. substituting all fonts in the document instantly].
So on Vista launch-eve I'll drink a pint in hopes that their initial release is a total flop.:-)
Look, the bulk of your driver SHOULD be portable, e.g. "set port to value X, read port, wait X, etc". What changes is the interface to the kernel. Nvidia seems to be doing alright with their approach.
What...? You think your PCI or PCI-E device operates differently because you're running Linux? Hell it wouild work the same way if you were running an Z-80 8-bit processor behind the scenes!!!
Device manufacturers usually don't write Linux drivers because they lack the ability to find talent. Then failing that they don't document the device. So even though there are OSS folk out there who would love to add more support to the Kernel for popular devices they can't because companies think their secrets would spill out if someone knew how to talk to it...
Oh I agree, I'm not naive. For my documents I use the tools that work for me which usually include tetex. At work I do whatever my boss wants me to do. For most documents I write for work they're not big enough [or public enough] that presentation matters to me.
??? Saves time? LaTeX source is just a text file. You could invent your own tags like
@SQL QUERY@
Then write a perl script that parses the text and replaces the text between @@ with the result.
I do a related trick for my text book where I have @line_number,text@ markups that sync up line numbers in the text with lines in source code. E.g. I can say "The while loop on line @74,while@ performs..." and then it looks around line 74 for the word "while" and replaces the @@ with the actual number.
This way if I add a comment or whitespace my line numbers still make sense. To make a PDF I type
make docs... really hard.
My point is you don't need to spend two grand on a suite of tools where teTeX and a small perl script accomplishes the same thing. You could edit the LaTeX source with any text editor and view the pdf, ps or dvi output with your fav reader.
If you're not a programmer hire some intern for a week to script it up for you.
You look at that and probably say "oh great now I have to invent my own tools!" I say why not? Why is being clever such a bad thing? It means I can use professional tools [hint: LaTeX does typesetting not just whatever Word feels like] and accomplish my goals in an efficient manner. Instead of being totally dependent on MSFT to come in and solve my problems [with the added bonus of vendor lockin, security holes your parents would be ashamed of and a price tag that is absurd].
How hard is that? You're just using the wrong OSes.
That and Linux is not a distribution. You're making a classic newbie mistake. Linux is a KERNEL. The rest is userspace tools bundled to form a DISTRIBUTION.
So if you're experience with "linux" is some outdated SLES7 CD or something... go fetch yourself Gentoo and experience a real distro.
You're all missing one key point. Your 512 byte sector is NOT 512 bytes on disk. The drive stores extra track/ecc/etc information. So a 4096-byte sector means less waste, more sectors, more useable space.
My understanding is Google encourages employees to deveote a percentage of each day to their own projects. That can include OSS. That means each day there are people on payroll, paying rent, buying food, etc, who are working on OSS tools.
MSFT hardly encourages it's employees to work on software [specially stuff that runs in BSD or Linux] that they just give away. So it may hire OSS developers but that's just for their talents and not for their ideals.
Any admin who bitches about "config file hell" is just a tool and needs to get webmin. It gives you a web interface to basically everything on the box from configs of services to what is actually running, cron jobs, etc.
All in nice "pointy clicky" interfaces.
The move back to MSFT is totally just PR stunt. They probably got paid off or something and hence the "it's more secure".
That and who gives a shit? They're registar. Get back to me when something with higher traffic like Google is running Windows.
Actually it's power and control. Money is usually the "civilized" way of acheiving that. You think Bill Gates spends his money? You think there aren't hordes of people that wouldn't do anything he says for a piece of the action? [Not to pick on Bill Gates, I just used him as an example... I still hate MSFT and his legacy though].
DRM is yet another pathetic "power struggle".
It also sounds impressive to execs who have never had to engineer anything in their frickin lives.
Just a correction, if I'm not mistaken that's 2MB of L2... period. Not "per core". That means internally the bus between the cores and the cache is shared. Chances are there is some facilities to "prefer" a region of the cache [e.g. dual-ported] but as far as I've seen logically it's a 2MB cache both cores can access.
They're not out to get me cuz I don't pay taxes and live underground...:-)
I don't take it personal but if you think that politicians and the billionaires who run oil/gas/etc companies are out to screw people out of money... you're fucking bonkers.
They may not be out to get me personally but they're definitely after my hard [hahahaha not really] earned money.
It's still just key/value pairs. What they MEAN is a totally different thing.
It's overly generic and the problem people like me and the OP have with it is that PHBs pick up on it and mandate the next project must have XML support even if they're not a web server or such.
Just like how many people have blackberries that don't need them or any of the other hip bullshit out there. It's just catchy to say "XML this" XML that in conversation. If you meant XHTML say fucking XHTML.
I don't call object files "C programming files" just because a compiler can turn C into object files. Why call XHTML "xml" because you use te XML syntax to produce it?
Put it this way, [for instance], databases have been doing quite well for the last 20 to 30 years. Now they all simply MUST have XML technology in them. Can you honestly tell me XML support makes Databases more efficient?
I agree. XML is no more than a text file with key/value pairs in some form of organization.
I'm not saying XML isn't useful I'm saying it's not that impressive as a "technology". It falls under say the Dewey Decimal system in terms of excessive usefulness to society.
PHP on the other hand ain't bad. It's a bit simpler than Perl and IMHO meant to be a bit more lightweight. In the grand theme of things there is no reason why you could SSI perl script [hint: I did it with a CGI script that would parse my own special brew of perl/html].
I don't get your position. Sony doesn't have to sell it for 800$ or 500$ nor do they have to DRM lock it in.
I think though if they are going to sell it for a high price it had better be free of DRM restrictions on running software. I don't buy laptops that only run Windows why would I buy an expensive console that only runs Sony games?
If the PS3 cost say 200$ then I'd be totally willing to be locked into only licensed games. But if it's going to sell for 500$ or more than screw them.
I think even in the spoiled holier than thou state people are in now parents would have a hard time shelling out that much for a game console and most college bound young adults would have a chllenge getting the cash together.
When the xbox360 first came out they couldn't keep it in stores. Now I can walk into walmart and see 5 of them behind the glass. The platform simply costs too much and isn't moving [at least where I am near Toronto].
Right and the IBM PC was popular because it was DRM locked into only running IBM applications.
Troll.
Look at the gameboy. Quite a few sales [I'd say more than trivial amount] are due to homebrew development of things like PocketNES and other originals. Heck the NES series of GBA carts are using [last I heard] a version of PocketNES to get the job done.
If the PS3 was both standard [e.g. no variants long the product line] and open to homebrew you'd get the best of both worlds [and then some]. You'd still get your label games from EA and the likes but you'd also get the chance to run things you wouldn't see off the shelf.
It's a dedicated platform with interesting hardware you don't find on a PC.
That's like saying you should be excited about going to Europe [or vice versa] for the first time because they're just human over there anyways.
New things, new possibilities.
Who knows, the Cell processors may prove more useful than just in gaming. If they have anyway half competent ALUs in them you might be able to do crypto research on them, or biological or physical, or...
Who knows. Point is it is a DIFFERENT platform to develop for.
For the same reason I bought a 300$ PPC device and a 100$ gameboy to "program" I think it'd be cool to have a PS3.
You ever think that they don't have a choice [e.g. your walmart comment] because the people in power don't want you to have one?
There is no reason why Walmart should flurish in a capitlistic society like yours. I mean you work hard and don't get rewarded. How is that capitalism? It isn't that walmart doesn't make money, because they do. Just they don't actually reward the employees for the work that makes them so f'ing rich.
In a lot of ways Walmarts stance to anti-union up the place is discriminatory as it hinders your right of free association [you can't be fired just for legally hanging out with the wrong crowd while doing nothing that is illegal]. Couple that with their complete and utter disregard for local establishment and the fact that the Government does little to discourage said practices...
Suppose instead your government stopped putting 400 billion a year in the military and alotted say 300 of that to education. 20% of the population is less than 15 years old [thank you cia factbook]. Let's say that's evenly allotted that means 4.7M people are 14 years old. In three years they're going to school.
Now 300 billion dollars amongst the 5M [round up for niceness] people going to college is 60K per head. That's more than enough to pay for 4 years of tuition, books and dorm fees.
That's right. For 75% of what you spend on your war efforts you could educate EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN EACH YEAR.
So is the USA better served by having educated citizens or 17 yr olds with machine guns?
Show me a PC with a highly dedicated (and replicated) cell processor with tightly coupled memories and the like.
The big downside to the PS3 though is as a general processor it's actually shit. It lacks OOE and is really depending on Cell applications to make it shine.
That said, it still would be a neat box to develop with.
I think the big motivation for not doing it at home has to do with profits. They probably make a killing selling it outside the country only to then buy it back and sell it again. If they processed it internally they would only profit once from it... e.g.
hole in ground => oil to states (+profit) => refined => gas to canada (-profit) => sell to canadians at more than cost (+profit+profit).
Why it's corrupt is because it's a Canadian resource and they're exploiting the fact that aside from serious pressure on our MPs there is shit all we can do about it.
In the grand scheme of things it's of little importance compared to a lot of other issues (like keeping the house in order, stopping ad scams from happening again, rebuilding lost foreign trust, etc).
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most likely it's a chipset problem. A few K8N4 boards I've seen choke on gigabit. It should work fine for 100mbit though [which is what I use mine for]. My Tyan board has been working fine at 100mbit ever since I turned it on a week and a bit ago.
If you really need gigabit use the DLINK 530-T PCI card. It's supported by the skge/sk98lin set of drivers [can't recall which] and works smoothly at gigabit speeds. The card retails for all of $30 Canadian.
Tom
I think MSFT management is just afraid cuz of all the build up for Vista that if it goes out the door and is borked then they'll seriously loose mindshare.
:-)
I'm hoping [as an individual fed up with windows] that Vista is a flop. I'd love to hear about 0-day exploits and the like. Frankly I'm tired of rampant vendor lockin, bloaty OSes and inferior technology.
Like just recently I had to buy a copy of Word for a publishing deal. Cost me $286 CDN. What does that give me? A word processor that only runs in Windows and only edits Word files. The latter bit doesn't sound so bad until you realize the format is not properly documented anywhere and essentially requires me to keep using Windows and Word to work with the files.
Whereas, in the "real world", I can build my own Linux distro [e.g. gentoo] for free, install OpenOffice for free and be editting documents in no time flat. Then I can move those documents to my BSD or Windows machines if I want. Heck, I can even hack the document [ala unzip and sed] if I want to do something not natively supported by OO directly [e.g. substituting all fonts in the document instantly].
So on Vista launch-eve I'll drink a pint in hopes that their initial release is a total flop.
Um... Linux has sported a "forcedeth" [sp] network driver for a long time. It may be based on the BSD driver, I dunno the back story.
I'm personally using it right now on a Tyan 2P motherboard [nForce4 Pro chipset] and it works fine.
Tom
I dunno about you but I shop for devices that work in Linux natively. Like sk98/skge network cards, cmipci sound cards, etc.
If you just stopped buying the "Best Buy" special variety of addon devices the market wouldn't think it's ok to box up mediocrity.
Tom
Why not just write drivers for Linux as well?
Look, the bulk of your driver SHOULD be portable, e.g. "set port to value X, read port, wait X, etc". What changes is the interface to the kernel. Nvidia seems to be doing alright with their approach.
What...? You think your PCI or PCI-E device operates differently because you're running Linux? Hell it wouild work the same way if you were running an Z-80 8-bit processor behind the scenes!!!
Device manufacturers usually don't write Linux drivers because they lack the ability to find talent. Then failing that they don't document the device. So even though there are OSS folk out there who would love to add more support to the Kernel for popular devices they can't because companies think their secrets would spill out if someone knew how to talk to it...
Tom
Oh I agree, I'm not naive. For my documents I use the tools that work for me which usually include tetex. At work I do whatever my boss wants me to do. For most documents I write for work they're not big enough [or public enough] that presentation matters to me.
Tom
??? Saves time? LaTeX source is just a text file. You could invent your own tags like
... really hard.
@SQL QUERY@
Then write a perl script that parses the text and replaces the text between @@ with the result.
I do a related trick for my text book where I have @line_number,text@ markups that sync up line numbers in the text with lines in source code. E.g. I can say "The while loop on line @74,while@ performs..." and then it looks around line 74 for the word "while" and replaces the @@ with the actual number.
This way if I add a comment or whitespace my line numbers still make sense. To make a PDF I type
make docs
My point is you don't need to spend two grand on a suite of tools where teTeX and a small perl script accomplishes the same thing. You could edit the LaTeX source with any text editor and view the pdf, ps or dvi output with your fav reader.
If you're not a programmer hire some intern for a week to script it up for you.
You look at that and probably say "oh great now I have to invent my own tools!" I say why not? Why is being clever such a bad thing? It means I can use professional tools [hint: LaTeX does typesetting not just whatever Word feels like] and accomplish my goals in an efficient manner. Instead of being totally dependent on MSFT to come in and solve my problems [with the added bonus of vendor lockin, security holes your parents would be ashamed of and a price tag that is absurd].
Tom
Bah, what you talk about could be replaced with a shell script and LaTeX ... ... Just to let you know...
Tom
the ECC and sector alignment are done in HARDWARE. If you wanted a literal "bit level" access to the device it would be wickedly slower.
Tom
emerge -u webmin ...
... go fetch yourself Gentoo and experience a real distro.
How hard is that? You're just using the wrong OSes.
That and Linux is not a distribution. You're making a classic newbie mistake. Linux is a KERNEL. The rest is userspace tools bundled to form a DISTRIBUTION.
So if you're experience with "linux" is some outdated SLES7 CD or something
Tom
You're all missing one key point. Your 512 byte sector is NOT 512 bytes on disk. The drive stores extra track/ecc/etc information. So a 4096-byte sector means less waste, more sectors, more useable space.
Tom
No you're a tool.
My understanding is Google encourages employees to deveote a percentage of each day to their own projects. That can include OSS. That means each day there are people on payroll, paying rent, buying food, etc, who are working on OSS tools.
MSFT hardly encourages it's employees to work on software [specially stuff that runs in BSD or Linux] that they just give away. So it may hire OSS developers but that's just for their talents and not for their ideals.
Tom
Get webmin ... seriously.
Any admin who bitches about "config file hell" is just a tool and needs to get webmin. It gives you a web interface to basically everything on the box from configs of services to what is actually running, cron jobs, etc.
All in nice "pointy clicky" interfaces.
The move back to MSFT is totally just PR stunt. They probably got paid off or something and hence the "it's more secure".
That and who gives a shit? They're registar. Get back to me when something with higher traffic like Google is running Windows.
Tom
Documentation and effort. Lots of hardware has proprietary interfaces [althought they shouldn't] and they honestly don't try.
Tom
Actually it's power and control. Money is usually the "civilized" way of acheiving that. You think Bill Gates spends his money? You think there aren't hordes of people that wouldn't do anything he says for a piece of the action? [Not to pick on Bill Gates, I just used him as an example... I still hate MSFT and his legacy though].
DRM is yet another pathetic "power struggle".
It also sounds impressive to execs who have never had to engineer anything in their frickin lives.
Tom
Just a correction, if I'm not mistaken that's 2MB of L2 ... period. Not "per core". That means internally the bus between the cores and the cache is shared. Chances are there is some facilities to "prefer" a region of the cache [e.g. dual-ported] but as far as I've seen logically it's a 2MB cache both cores can access.
Tom
They're not out to get me cuz I don't pay taxes and live underground... :-)
... you're fucking bonkers.
I don't take it personal but if you think that politicians and the billionaires who run oil/gas/etc companies are out to screw people out of money
They may not be out to get me personally but they're definitely after my hard [hahahaha not really] earned money.
Tom
It's still just key/value pairs. What they MEAN is a totally different thing.
It's overly generic and the problem people like me and the OP have with it is that PHBs pick up on it and mandate the next project must have XML support even if they're not a web server or such.
Just like how many people have blackberries that don't need them or any of the other hip bullshit out there. It's just catchy to say "XML this" XML that in conversation. If you meant XHTML say fucking XHTML.
I don't call object files "C programming files" just because a compiler can turn C into object files. Why call XHTML "xml" because you use te XML syntax to produce it?
Put it this way, [for instance], databases have been doing quite well for the last 20 to 30 years. Now they all simply MUST have XML technology in them. Can you honestly tell me XML support makes Databases more efficient?
Tom
I agree. XML is no more than a text file with key/value pairs in some form of organization.
I'm not saying XML isn't useful I'm saying it's not that impressive as a "technology". It falls under say the Dewey Decimal system in terms of excessive usefulness to society.
PHP on the other hand ain't bad. It's a bit simpler than Perl and IMHO meant to be a bit more lightweight. In the grand theme of things there is no reason why you could SSI perl script [hint: I did it with a CGI script that would parse my own special brew of perl/html].
Tom
I don't get your position. Sony doesn't have to sell it for 800$ or 500$ nor do they have to DRM lock it in.
I think though if they are going to sell it for a high price it had better be free of DRM restrictions on running software. I don't buy laptops that only run Windows why would I buy an expensive console that only runs Sony games?
If the PS3 cost say 200$ then I'd be totally willing to be locked into only licensed games. But if it's going to sell for 500$ or more than screw them.
I think even in the spoiled holier than thou state people are in now parents would have a hard time shelling out that much for a game console and most college bound young adults would have a chllenge getting the cash together.
When the xbox360 first came out they couldn't keep it in stores. Now I can walk into walmart and see 5 of them behind the glass. The platform simply costs too much and isn't moving [at least where I am near Toronto].
Tom
Right and the IBM PC was popular because it was DRM locked into only running IBM applications.
Troll.
Look at the gameboy. Quite a few sales [I'd say more than trivial amount] are due to homebrew development of things like PocketNES and other originals. Heck the NES series of GBA carts are using [last I heard] a version of PocketNES to get the job done.
If the PS3 was both standard [e.g. no variants long the product line] and open to homebrew you'd get the best of both worlds [and then some]. You'd still get your label games from EA and the likes but you'd also get the chance to run things you wouldn't see off the shelf.
Why is this funny?
...
It's a dedicated platform with interesting hardware you don't find on a PC.
That's like saying you should be excited about going to Europe [or vice versa] for the first time because they're just human over there anyways.
New things, new possibilities.
Who knows, the Cell processors may prove more useful than just in gaming. If they have anyway half competent ALUs in them you might be able to do crypto research on them, or biological or physical, or
Who knows. Point is it is a DIFFERENT platform to develop for.
For the same reason I bought a 300$ PPC device and a 100$ gameboy to "program" I think it'd be cool to have a PS3.
Tom
You ever think that they don't have a choice [e.g. your walmart comment] because the people in power don't want you to have one?
There is no reason why Walmart should flurish in a capitlistic society like yours. I mean you work hard and don't get rewarded. How is that capitalism? It isn't that walmart doesn't make money, because they do. Just they don't actually reward the employees for the work that makes them so f'ing rich.
In a lot of ways Walmarts stance to anti-union up the place is discriminatory as it hinders your right of free association [you can't be fired just for legally hanging out with the wrong crowd while doing nothing that is illegal]. Couple that with their complete and utter disregard for local establishment and the fact that the Government does little to discourage said practices...
Suppose instead your government stopped putting 400 billion a year in the military and alotted say 300 of that to education. 20% of the population is less than 15 years old [thank you cia factbook]. Let's say that's evenly allotted that means 4.7M people are 14 years old. In three years they're going to school.
Now 300 billion dollars amongst the 5M [round up for niceness] people going to college is 60K per head. That's more than enough to pay for 4 years of tuition, books and dorm fees.
That's right. For 75% of what you spend on your war efforts you could educate EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN EACH YEAR.
So is the USA better served by having educated citizens or 17 yr olds with machine guns?
Tom
Show me a PC with a highly dedicated (and replicated) cell processor with tightly coupled memories and the like.
The big downside to the PS3 though is as a general processor it's actually shit. It lacks OOE and is really depending on Cell applications to make it shine.
That said, it still would be a neat box to develop with.
Tom
I think the big motivation for not doing it at home has to do with profits. They probably make a killing selling it outside the country only to then buy it back and sell it again. If they processed it internally they would only profit once from it... e.g.
hole in ground => oil to states (+profit) => refined => gas to canada (-profit) => sell to canadians at more than cost (+profit+profit).
Why it's corrupt is because it's a Canadian resource and they're exploiting the fact that aside from serious pressure on our MPs there is shit all we can do about it.
In the grand scheme of things it's of little importance compared to a lot of other issues (like keeping the house in order, stopping ad scams from happening again, rebuilding lost foreign trust, etc).
Tom