I mean if I have to spend 8 hours running in a circle killing he exact same creature to get a bit more HP or something... I just take the game, snap it in half and throw it in the garbage...
Being smart I just tend to avoid those sorts of RPG games thus saving the breaking the game I paid money for..
1. Create virtual world 2. Buy virtual island with REAL money 3. Pay REAL people REAL money to play in virtual world...
4. Sell accumulated virtual wealth for REAL cash money on ebay...... what? Who the fuck would buy with REAL money something in a video game that they could just sign up for and get themselves?
I mean I bought minish cap for 40$ [cdn]. I wouldn't pay someone money for a savegame so I could beat the game quicker. That kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?
As a side note I see the REAL accumulation of things as kinda pointless as well. I mean I do have cool shit [e.g. 500W 5.1 stereo, 17" LCD, amd64, etc...] but you won't find a shirt in my room worth more than 10$ nor diamond encrusted watches, etc...e.g. I buy practical stuff I can actually use and benefit from...
I hope they sell it for a lot of cash money and I hope whoever buys it gets exposed for the dork they are.;-)
Well "technically" PC3200 means 3.2GB/sec. But yeah, in practice you only get [anywhere near that] that doing series of uninterrupted perfectly timed 8-byte writes to sequential memory...
I don't think I'm leet because I use linux I think I'm leet because I CHOOSE to use linux.
Being a serf sucks.
My biggest problem with MCSE types [and other 2wk college types] is they take something non-trivial [e.g. computer science] and basically dumb it down and flood the industry.
As a result we have so many people in the workforce as "developers" who don't have the first clue how to design/implement software nor write robust software?
I've seen retired HP engineers use strcat() and casting void* to various types... [chances are he started as an E.E. and moved to software...]
Um a K8 can smoke a PM in power/processing any time.
My K8 at 2.2Ghz hits a max of 45C, can you say the same about a PM? Can a PM at full load do as much as a K8?
And my point was even though the working specs of the cpu are largely not disclosed I can still CHOOSE which product I want. I'm not locked into Intel or AMD [hell I could go VIA, PPC, ARM, etc... if I wanted].
Similarly if I really want an open card I could buy an oldschool s3 or something. If I want a cheap, robust card that gives decent performance I'll buy a whopping 100$ 5200FX and "put up with" free drivers that work [very well] on my x86_64.
"You are missing the point. The point is that a library or program (in the world of oss) should not need to depend on closed source software."
Why?... modern x86 cpus convert the x86 ISA to a risc ISA. It's therefore a "program". Last I checked Intel doesn't tell people how the cpus work exactly.
So by your logic OSS shouldn't be written for "closed source" cpus like the x86 series.
nvidia implements a standard driver [which X can talk to and works in OpenGL]. They follow standards. The fact that the source is closed shouldn't bother people.
There is choice. if nvidia stopped making the drivers they would lose their significant linux advantage. I mean I don't buy ATI cards for this VERY reason. Even though they may [or may not] be technologically better their drivers suck so I don't buy them.
Similarly even though cpu designs are not open I CHOOSE amd processors over Intel because they're more efficient.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment though. I think the scene WOULD be better off with opened nvidia drivers. I just don't share the belief that it's crucial.
2.1.2 Linux/FreeBSD Exception. Notwithstanding the foregoing terms of Section 2.1.1, SOFTWARE designed exclusively for use on the Linux or FreeBSD operating systems, or other operating systems derived from the source code to these operating systems, may be copied and redistributed, provided that the binary files thereof are not modified in any way (except for unzipping of compressed files)..... So go fuck yourself and your zealot distro already.;-)
People who don't bundle nvidia/ati drivers [or at least make them possible to add] are just as bad as the "closed source" peeps in the first place.
Isn't it about my choice not yours?... and this is why I use gentoo and not some freakish zealot "debian totally/free/only"...
Yeah, it would be cool if nvidia released the specs and source. But no, I don't care about loading a "binary" in Gentoo. All I want is gfx driver that properly supports my card.
And well... so far they've worked perfect in 32 and 64 bit mode [nvidias drivers].
I mean you might as well say "it would be nice if we had open source cpus, ok I'll hold out until one exists.". I mean running debian on an AMD or Intel cpu is just hypocritical if it must be 100% pure free.
Hell for that matter, let's see the northbridge/southbridge specs and the ram!!! oh and let's see the exact inner workings of those hard disks!!!....... +5? Punk...
buffer overflows are not the only kind of bug that plagues development. quite a few "plain old logic errors" or "insecure designs" are source of problems.
I mean I just reinstalled pam last night [for the second day in a row... diff versions] with maybe 20 patches applied to it. I doubt all 20 [or any at all] were due to buffer overflows.
A proper programmer would do proper bounds checking on their own [e.g. I need to store N bytes, do I have N bytes available]. People who don't shouldn't be writing software. Period.
And yes, "shit happens" but you can just as easily screw up the logic or other aspects in a typesafe language and end up with lowered security.
...And these same people won't write robust Java, Python or... programs either.
Stack/buffer overflows aren't the only security flaw in the world. Look at SSLv2 where the hello's weren't MACed properly and people could rollback the crypto. That had NOTHING todo with what language SSL was written in and more of people who don't understand security or to develop correctly.
So no, Java + crappy programer != success.
That's like saying newbie + nail gun == master carpenter. Or how about newbie + steinway == pianist? Why not newbie + ginsu == master chef...
Most if not the vast majority of Dell consumers are buying whatever the TV told them to. That means the ultra fast PC2100 256MB of memory with a 2.4Ghz Celeron, onboard shared memory video with, blah, blah, blah...
I usually spend ~1200 [CDN] on complete new computers [sans monitor/keyboard/mouse] which includes a case, mobo, powersupply, cpu, ram, graphics, cd/dvd and hard disk. Not only do I get to choose things I need [e.g. ram and cpu that are suited] but I support local business at the same time.
I even go the next step by being loyal to stores with good product and return policies and don't shop at the ones that have burned me before.
People who buy from Dell who want a "quick fix" deserve to get stuck with the crap. If I have to actually take the time to read an article or two and ask advice of others so should they.
1. Comes with PC, "there is choice?" 2. Plays games, "Linux doesn't do 3d!" 3. Advanced Technology, "we're serious developers".
[the last one is from my interview with a RiM employee].
Basically people are ignorant about computers and it serves them right. If they only picked up a "nerdy" computer mag or two they would learn about the existence of linux and bsd...
I say in this world of vast reams of available information if you still end up with a lemon computer... well you suck.
And for crying out loud stop buying Dells... fuck, Celeron P4 cpus are worthless!! That's why the boxes are cheap!!!
I never said PhDs were godsends. My point is as someone who DOES takes the field seriously [and doesn't have a degree btw] I find the "self-proclaimed" professionals that take short-term courses, have no side interest in the field, etc who call themselves "professional" really annoying.
I mean I've been writing software since I was 13 [10 years ago] and only recently [say from 2003 on] have I considered myself a "professional" developer. I say this because I've held numerous consulting gigs [successfully completed] and have gained respect from peers in the field.
I guess what I'm saying is that if you weren't already a skilled developer before entering short term colleges [e.g. MCSE] then these won't make you into professional developers...
Just like attending a "home depot" seminar won't make you a master carpenter
But just because you gradudated the AM class of some MCSE money-gouging center doesn't mean you're any more qualified than a hampster to design and implement software.
OpenGL, OSS and X is about all you need to make game [well timers and IP networking]...
You don't need some large ass complicated DX API to make a game in linux. OpenGL + OSS covers graphics and sound. X [motif, etc] cover your window dressing, keyboard and mouse.
This is just another "pander to the concensus" bullshit article. The only thing plaguing "linux gaming" is that people make games with the DX API... Use OpenGL in windows and you save yourself quite a bit of trouble.
Oh no, you won't have the latest doo-dah and VTX shader... well learn this. Doom3 does and it's a craptasticular game.
Well fuck for 1000 dollars I could build in a 13" LCD, 23 hours of battery...
PRACTICAL and EFFICIENT are two "innovations" that come to mind.
If this gizmo which is probably easy to break and/or loose [cuz of the size] costs 400 dollars [canadian] then... how innovative is that? I mean are they just making reeams of profits on it? If so... well screw them because 400 is a lot for a toy.
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.... if the game isn't any fun... WHY PLAY IT?
I mean if I have to spend 8 hours running in a circle killing he exact same creature to get a bit more HP or something... I just take the game, snap it in half and throw it in the garbage...
Being smart I just tend to avoid those sorts of RPG games thus saving the breaking the game I paid money for..
Tom
So let me get this right.
...
... what? Who the fuck would buy with REAL money something in a video game that they could just sign up for and get themselves?
;-)
1. Create virtual world
2. Buy virtual island with REAL money
3. Pay REAL people REAL money to play in virtual world
4. Sell accumulated virtual wealth for REAL cash money on ebay...
I mean I bought minish cap for 40$ [cdn]. I wouldn't pay someone money for a savegame so I could beat the game quicker. That kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?
As a side note I see the REAL accumulation of things as kinda pointless as well. I mean I do have cool shit [e.g. 500W 5.1 stereo, 17" LCD, amd64, etc...] but you won't find a shirt in my room worth more than 10$ nor diamond encrusted watches, etc...e.g. I buy practical stuff I can actually use and benefit from...
I hope they sell it for a lot of cash money and I hope whoever buys it gets exposed for the dork they are.
Tom
w0w you are teh funnie.
...
3.2Ghz bus for ram?
Tom
I think the OP was pointing out this is 1TB of ROM not RAM [or disk... whatever]...
I could use a 1TB disk where I could random access it for read and writes... but just write once?
That aside... fucking super duper quadruple high res copies of no-plot cliche movies... that's progress!
Tom
Well "technically" PC3200 means 3.2GB/sec. But yeah, in practice you only get [anywhere near that] that doing series of uninterrupted perfectly timed 8-byte writes to sequential memory...
Tom
"Children are products of their parents, plain and simple."
Whoa. What are you saying. That people are responsible themselves and they can't chuck the problem at someone else?
Can anyone say V-chip or K-4 school?
Tom
I don't think I'm leet because I use linux I think I'm leet because I CHOOSE to use linux.
... [chances are he started as an E.E. and moved to software...]
Being a serf sucks.
My biggest problem with MCSE types [and other 2wk college types] is they take something non-trivial [e.g. computer science] and basically dumb it down and flood the industry.
As a result we have so many people in the workforce as "developers" who don't have the first clue how to design/implement software nor write robust software?
I've seen retired HP engineers use strcat() and casting void* to various types
Tom
You missed my point.
... I say there is choice amongst GFX cards...
Them bitching about closed source nvidia drivers is like me bitching about closed source Pentium cpus.
You say there is choice amongst cpus
Almost like WE'RE SAYING THE SAME FUCKING THING!!!!
Tom
Um a K8 can smoke a PM in power/processing any time.
My K8 at 2.2Ghz hits a max of 45C, can you say the same about a PM? Can a PM at full load do as much as a K8?
And my point was even though the working specs of the cpu are largely not disclosed I can still CHOOSE which product I want. I'm not locked into Intel or AMD [hell I could go VIA, PPC, ARM, etc... if I wanted].
Similarly if I really want an open card I could buy an oldschool s3 or something. If I want a cheap, robust card that gives decent performance I'll buy a whopping 100$ 5200FX and "put up with" free drivers that work [very well] on my x86_64.
Tom
"You are missing the point. The point is that a library or program (in the world of oss) should not need to depend on closed source software."
... modern x86 cpus convert the x86 ISA to a risc ISA. It's therefore a "program". Last I checked Intel doesn't tell people how the cpus work exactly.
Why?
So by your logic OSS shouldn't be written for "closed source" cpus like the x86 series.
nvidia implements a standard driver [which X can talk to and works in OpenGL]. They follow standards. The fact that the source is closed shouldn't bother people.
There is choice. if nvidia stopped making the drivers they would lose their significant linux advantage. I mean I don't buy ATI cards for this VERY reason. Even though they may [or may not] be technologically better their drivers suck so I don't buy them.
Similarly even though cpu designs are not open I CHOOSE amd processors over Intel because they're more efficient.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment though. I think the scene WOULD be better off with opened nvidia drivers. I just don't share the belief that it's crucial.
Tom
No, distro licensing keeps the binaries away.
.... So go fuck yourself and your zealot distro already. ;-)
From the nvidia license...
2.1.2 Linux/FreeBSD Exception. Notwithstanding the foregoing terms of Section 2.1.1, SOFTWARE designed exclusively for use on the Linux or FreeBSD operating systems, or other operating systems derived from the source code to these operating systems, may be copied and redistributed, provided that the binary files thereof are not modified in any way (except for unzipping of compressed files).
Tom
Ooops, I forgot to sign in...
;-)
That was my FP
Tom
How did this get +5?
... and this is why I use gentoo and not some freakish zealot "debian totally/free/only" ...
.... ... +5? Punk...
People who don't bundle nvidia/ati drivers [or at least make them possible to add] are just as bad as the "closed source" peeps in the first place.
Isn't it about my choice not yours?
Yeah, it would be cool if nvidia released the specs and source. But no, I don't care about loading a "binary" in Gentoo. All I want is gfx driver that properly supports my card.
And well... so far they've worked perfect in 32 and 64 bit mode [nvidias drivers].
I mean you might as well say "it would be nice if we had open source cpus, ok I'll hold out until one exists.". I mean running debian on an AMD or Intel cpu is just hypocritical if it must be 100% pure free.
Hell for that matter, let's see the northbridge/southbridge specs and the ram!!! oh and let's see the exact inner workings of those hard disks!!!
I'm a linux fan ... don't use windows. It's called xbox+ps2 plugged into a hauppage tv card ;-)
Tom
"but it always takes a lot of care and attention" ...
And this is a problem? Who wants programs [even in Java] written by people who can't take the time to audit their code?
And besides "unbounded" arrays are a function of lazy programmers. You can get bounded arrays in C quite easily.
Tom
How did your post get insightful?
buffer overflows are not the only kind of bug that plagues development. quite a few "plain old logic errors" or "insecure designs" are source of problems.
I mean I just reinstalled pam last night [for the second day in a row... diff versions] with maybe 20 patches applied to it. I doubt all 20 [or any at all] were due to buffer overflows.
A proper programmer would do proper bounds checking on their own [e.g. I need to store N bytes, do I have N bytes available]. People who don't shouldn't be writing software. Period.
And yes, "shit happens" but you can just as easily screw up the logic or other aspects in a typesafe language and end up with lowered security.
SSL rollback anyone?
Tom
...And these same people won't write robust Java, Python or ... programs either.
...
Stack/buffer overflows aren't the only security flaw in the world. Look at SSLv2 where the hello's weren't MACed properly and people could rollback the crypto. That had NOTHING todo with what language SSL was written in and more of people who don't understand security or to develop correctly.
So no, Java + crappy programer != success.
That's like saying newbie + nail gun == master carpenter. Or how about newbie + steinway == pianist? Why not newbie + ginsu == master chef
Tom
Before anyone notes... that's 1200 before DDR prices went down so far...
e.g. my last system was
Athlon 64+ 3200, [iirc ~300$]
1GB of PC3200 DDR [~280$]
Asus K8V [120$]
power supply [430W Antec, 120$]
MSI 5200FX [100$]
LG super drive [80$]
[this is 1120 CDN + taxes].
Tom
Most if not the vast majority of Dell consumers are buying whatever the TV told them to. That means the ultra fast PC2100 256MB of memory with a 2.4Ghz Celeron, onboard shared memory video with, blah, blah, blah...
I usually spend ~1200 [CDN] on complete new computers [sans monitor/keyboard/mouse] which includes a case, mobo, powersupply, cpu, ram, graphics, cd/dvd and hard disk. Not only do I get to choose things I need [e.g. ram and cpu that are suited] but I support local business at the same time.
I even go the next step by being loyal to stores with good product and return policies and don't shop at the ones that have burned me before.
People who buy from Dell who want a "quick fix" deserve to get stuck with the crap. If I have to actually take the time to read an article or two and ask advice of others so should they.
Tom
1. Comes with PC, "there is choice?"
2. Plays games, "Linux doesn't do 3d!"
3. Advanced Technology, "we're serious developers".
[the last one is from my interview with a RiM employee].
Basically people are ignorant about computers and it serves them right. If they only picked up a "nerdy" computer mag or two they would learn about the existence of linux and bsd...
I say in this world of vast reams of available information if you still end up with a lemon computer... well you suck.
And for crying out loud stop buying Dells... fuck, Celeron P4 cpus are worthless!! That's why the boxes are cheap!!!
Tom
I never said PhDs were godsends. My point is as someone who DOES takes the field seriously [and doesn't have a degree btw] I find the "self-proclaimed" professionals that take short-term courses, have no side interest in the field, etc who call themselves "professional" really annoying.
I mean I've been writing software since I was 13 [10 years ago] and only recently [say from 2003 on] have I considered myself a "professional" developer. I say this because I've held numerous consulting gigs [successfully completed] and have gained respect from peers in the field.
I guess what I'm saying is that if you weren't already a skilled developer before entering short term colleges [e.g. MCSE] then these won't make you into professional developers...
Just like attending a "home depot" seminar won't make you a master carpenter
Tom
"Besides, not all engineers design bridges."
But just because you gradudated the AM class of some MCSE money-gouging center doesn't mean you're any more qualified than a hampster to design and implement software.
Tom
OpenGL, OSS and X is about all you need to make game [well timers and IP networking]...
You don't need some large ass complicated DX API to make a game in linux. OpenGL + OSS covers graphics and sound. X [motif, etc] cover your window dressing, keyboard and mouse.
This is just another "pander to the concensus" bullshit article. The only thing plaguing "linux gaming" is that people make games with the DX API... Use OpenGL in windows and you save yourself quite a bit of trouble.
Oh no, you won't have the latest doo-dah and VTX shader... well learn this. Doom3 does and it's a craptasticular game.
Tom
Mod up.
400+ dollar music players... innovation?
Well fuck for 1000 dollars I could build in a 13" LCD, 23 hours of battery...
PRACTICAL and EFFICIENT are two "innovations" that come to mind.
If this gizmo which is probably easy to break and/or loose [cuz of the size] costs 400 dollars [canadian] then... how innovative is that? I mean are they just making reeams of profits on it? If so... well screw them because 400 is a lot for a toy.
Tom
First off... what music player does MSFT make?
... if their OWN employees won't use it... maybe that's because they "innovated" too much? ...
Second, assuming they have a gizmo 2000
This article [or the posters resume] is just stupid. Why would using Apple products be bad at MSFT... MSFT WRITES MAC SOFTWARE!!!!
Tom