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6 Firms Form Holographic Versatile Disc Alliance
gardolas writes "'Fuji Photo and CMC Magnentics are two of six companies, who have formed a consortium to promote
HVD technology, which they say can be used to put 1TB of data onto just one disc. The consortium say that a HVD disc could hold about 200 standard DVD's, and transfer data at speeds 40 times that of DVD, about 1GB per second.'
HVD is being seen as a possible successor to Blu-ray and HD-DVD technologies."
How long before the xxAA guys shut this down as promoting piracy?
~ Crummy
pr0n, of course. :D
Who on earth needs a terabyte of storage? And more importantly, Why would we want it on a non-hard disk. The massive storage would be so much better on a hard disk. I can't imagine wanting to carry a terabyte with me on a disk!
*De gozaru!*
Where is my Mr. Fusion?!
I fear this new advance in storage will just enable greater and greater copyright infringement and rob hard working content producers of their deserved income.
I hope they have technology built in to thwart these evildoing pirates.
Wow, from TFA:
HVD is a possible successor to technologies such as Blu-ray and HD DVD. Single layer Blu-ray discs hold about 25GB of data while dual-layer discs hold 50GB. Ordinary DVD discs, meanwhile, hold about 4.7GB. HVD technology will be pitched at corporations and the entertainment market, the HVD Alliance said.
Hmm, there's a format war going on with the Blu-ray and HD DVD, and they're already plotting the successor. Of course, they don't give a date in the article or anything firm at all, so perhaps it is a bit of a pipe dream. I must admit, I liked this quip from the article:
If history is an indication, consumers will fill the disc up.
Considering when I got my first computer, and the salesperson chuckled and said 'there was no way in hell I'd ever fill up a 40 megabyte hard drive', it's nice to see that people finally understand the capacity of users to fill up every nook and cranny of a storage medium!
"There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all."
- Bob Dylan
Too bad that a hard disk would be nowhere near to keeping up with a 1GB/s transfer rate. Heck, IIRC (and please correct me if I don't!) RAM would have trouble keeping up with that ... -- Paul
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Remember when technology used to be about enabling people, rather than disabling them?
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The consortium say that a HVD disc could hold about 200 standard DVD's,
That means nothing to me, can someone covert that into a more practical measurement like Libraries Of Congress (LoC) ?.
Umm....ever hear of non spinning backups?
Have you ever tried to deliver 15TB to a customer?
Either this is a troll or you don't believe we should have better than 8bit/16k machines.
To effectively use Apple iHDTV 3D Holo-Garage Band home studio with patented QuickTimeHolo technology, we recommend using a G14 computer with a one button psychic-cursor and at least fifty quadrillion golybits of RAM.
I am from a small, grease-loving country in the north called Ca-na-da.
I remember, back when I bought my first computer, I had the choice between a 25 and 50 megs Harddrive. The sales rep said :
"Choose the 25 megs one, NO ONE will EVER need this much storage!"
Guess what : Needs increase with time and technology. I'm sure if this tech get released after Blueray that we will have a way to fill up 1 TB without thinking too much about it.
Now what we REALLY need is a PERMANENT way of storing data.
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Does anyone else find this horrendously depressing that they're already plotting the next format? Sure makes me frown on buying anything new in the Blu-ray/HD-DVD format. :\
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The LoC is normally quoted at 10tb.
If they made the LOTR chronicles 1TB long, I think I'd have to get another job just to be bored enough to watch them.
Technically, the article stated that the transfer rates would be up to one gigabit per second, not 1 GB per second, as the summary states. That's certainly fast, but not beyond the capabilities of current hard disk/memory technology.
But will they put some kind of protection around the disk similar to 3.5 Floppies or MiniDiscs? That's my one big beef about CDs. They're so fragile. I'm careful, but one false move can really mess them up. If you can fit so much on a disc, make them smaller, 2 inch diameter? but make them protected.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
"A tiny speck of dust has crossed the beam and 4gb of data have been lost." The bigger they get, they harder they fall.
The recent /, story on media longevity highlights the growing problem of decomposing data-layers on current generation optical disk technology. This new disk, with its even higher density, would seem to be even more likely to suffer from longevity problems.
Perhaps the xxAA has nothing to worry about -- media buying customers will lose access to copied data through dye-decomposition sooner than through expiring DRM licenses.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
I heard about this new technology a few years ago. I didn't realize it is about to be commercialized...
Anyway, the parent poster's example on Star Wars has it right. Basically the projected holograph at a different angle (or viewed at different angle) shows a different holographic pattern (i.e., from the front, you can see the princess's face. But from behind, her arse).
The different angle of the incident beam generates a different look of interference map, which in turn translated to bits. It doesn't seem too far off that you can hold "Library of Congress" in a tiny data cube between your finger tips...
PS. Do I want it? Sure. I have 1TB data of my own at work. It'd be nice to back them all up at once.
I know one thing for sure...I am going to need a bigger pipe. Yeah both kinds....
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"HVD is being seen as a possible successor to Blu-ray and HD-DVD technologies." Advances in storage tech are being released so quickly, that they become "obsoleted" even before they come out! (HD-DVD and Blu-ray aren't really widespread yet, and they're already out-moded...)
a holographic projector (not the star trek thing, mind you) and we'd be able to watch holographic movies...just one way to use 1TB of storage, it may be even not enough.
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For the rest of us, 1TB is a lot of pr0n, or hundreds of Linux distributions.
How am I supposed to fit a pithy, relevant quote into 120 characters?
Only 1 TB... write once... lame.
because then we can purchase non-lossy compressed 1080p movies that will be too large to download. A second reason to purchase movies other than the "I like to sleep at night" reason. Ya right, as if the media industry will ever figure out that non-lossy compressed movies is the best way to get most people who download to buy the media.
While they're increasing the density in a new format, how about making the spindle hole and clampable hub a lot smaller? Throw this density at a 1" disc, and a CD/DVD hole/hub will eat most of the usable area. Let's have a 1mm hole/hub, and use the whole medium. And while we're at it, let's finally get doublesided drives (without flipping discs): they've been promising doublesided media since DS/DD 5.25" floppies, and we're still waiting.
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How about a multilayer, "multiphysics" disc? Lay down several optical layers readable by focusable laser. Beneath them, a magnetic layer readable by HD heads. We might be able to get over 50% more capacity, without needing greater areal density. With doublesided discs, and pinhole spindle hubs, we might be looking at 2" discs with 1TB capacity.
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Uncompressed movies.
3D raster images (based on "particles", not vectors - photorealistic 3D scenery for games)
Complete backups (instead of incremental)
Multi-DVD albums
Data like global maps, global phonebooks etc.
Same old contents, smaller disks (half-inch DVDs anyone?)
Single-use encryption keys.
45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
IIRC uncompressed video requires at least 80GB/hour. So a two hour movie would require over 160 GB if you want to completely avoid compression artifacts. There are also lossless video compression algorithms like HuffyYUV (anyone have a link?) which allows for around 2:1 compression without any loss in quality. So that 160 GB movie would only be 80 GB. Also don't forget that storing the audio in uncompressed PCM or a losslessly compressed format like FLAC would also add to the storage requirements.
I am not sure if higher resolution film transfers would increase the storage requiremtents even further. I assume it would. So this tech may only be somewhat overkill.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
Isn't it funny, the CD was approximately the same as a record with 40-70 minutes of music, the attention span of a human in the 1980s. Past that and nobody listened to the record the whole way through.
Now we can save 200 hours of video but have 5 minute attemtion spans because of all the distractions, TV etc..
Ironic isn't it?
I wonder what they plan to record on that disc.
It'd be cool if they could put in a function in the hardware that would calculate and fill out the media with [standardized] redundancy data. You'd want it do be done in hardware to be fast, compatible and not generate unneccesary bus traffic.
Basically, the burn software would feature a '[X] Fill out with redundancy data and finalize disc'-option box together with the '[X] Finalize disc' one.
I've sometimes done this by hand, but it takes forever to calculate the data, and you don't get it properly distributed over the disc, etc, etc. I think it'd be better done in hardware.
Guess there's no hope though, it'd up the cost a dollar, and we all know that's just impossible to bear. <sigh>
Belief is the currency of delusion.
No salesperson would ever try to talk you out of spending more money!
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Don't get me wrong, I think they're a load of money grubbing bastards for doing that, but I'm jsut saying that that's the reason for them doing it - not the DVDs looking or behaving differently.
..I can store all my Pr0n on one disk!
But unless we get hard drive (or equivilent) that can support average transfer rates faster than that we're gonna have some problems.
(Bus throughput probably won't be an issue. SCSI will probably be moving 1 GB/sec in five years.)
Only in a Slashdot fantasy can a Slackware install turn into several hours of sex . . . . .
You just know the PHBs will still use an entire disc to walk a 37KB spreadsheet thirty feet down the hall ;)
according to TFA:
The consortium said an HVD disc could hold as much data as 200 standard DVDs and transfer data at over 1 gigabit per second, or 40 times faster than a DVD.
I remember reading about this in 2002. The problem was aligning the beam in the correct spot to read the data. If it was off just a little bit it completely missed the data. Has the error margin been increased?
Who on earth needs a terabyte of storage? "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates, 1981. Oh, and how about "Holographic pr0n"?
"You lied to me! There is a Swansea!"
YOU DO. You just don't realise it yet. Who would've thought that 1GB of memory would be normal back in 1990? But that'll be the norm very soon now. Likewise, 160GB hard drives, back when people were using audio cassettes for data?
The only reason 1 TB seems big is because it's bigger than the tiny personal storage systems we have now.
Constellation 3D was creating or had created fluorescent read/write technology for compact discs, or rather Fluorescent Multilayer Discs (FMD). Their news releases claimed that a 1TB disc was in the works. This was three of four years ago.
:P
I liked their "Clear Card" the best, a clear credit card sized rectangle that held around 200GB to 500GB. Very Star Trek, like the isolinear chips.
Too bad they had so much trouble business-wise, they seemed to be OK creating the product, just not the business part.
or are you a politically-motivated moderator?
I was getting sick of that old redundant legacy blu-ray format, its about time we replaced it..
"You lied to me! There is a Swansea!"
It's pretty cool - I like it. But, you know, I'm not really allowed to talked about it. It's very hush-hush. Non-disclosure agreements, and all. I'm also not supposed to talk about my 10 GHz processor, but you know it's hard not to brag.
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Did anyone else misread something about firm pornographic discs?
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If I had points I'd mod you up. Par2 is a great lumbering beast. Works very well, but requires some serious overhead. Hardware support for parity would be very nice, and I'm sure it could be done transparently. Par2 guys have talked of inline (in-codec) parity info also, which is interesting, but, without hardware support, would be difficult to reconstruct in real-time. Par2 in the hardware (data layer) is interesting, perhaps akin to having it built into the nntp servers themselves.
From the slashdot article:
"about 1GB per second"
From the cnet article:
"transfer data at over 1 gigabit per second"
Slight difference there of about eight times...
For the rest of us, 1TB is a lot of pr0n, or hundreds of Linux distributions.
I can see it now: the new HVD Knoppix, now with the entire contents of sourceforge!
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Yes. I filled my station wagon with quarter-inch tapes and drove them there.
All along the way I could see other drivers looking at me and underestimating my bandwidth.
Perhaps even more amusing, is that almost every slashdotter reading that would have agreed with Gates at that time. No one, not even the tech savvy Gates (and he was quite informed), expected the rapid advances in computer technology which followed. And the future is hard to predict, especially in computer hardware.
And of course, I'm assuming that Gates actually said those words attributed to him. Not everything you read on the internet is true.
I would use it to house my impressivly large collection of porn...
If the boys and girls at Redmond keep expanding the windows kernel at it's current rate we'll need all of that 1TB and more!
There's a cool article here for those interested in a little windoze history.
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60 secomds of high resolution holographic porn!
That hole serves a purpose. You'd have to spin the disk at a much faster speed to get the same sustained data rate if you made the hole smaller. And CDs/DVDs are already near their physical strength limits.
NO IT'S NOT! You can NEVER have too much storage space available. Never ever never. Never. Ever.
I like the idea of being able to back up my entire current CD archive library and DVDs to a couple of HVDs. And I look forward to the day when we will be at 10T... then I can even make redundant copies of my data on the same HVD.
Meh.
Well, that could be useful in the event of open source being made a terrorist offence (could happen, at least in the USA/China) - we'll need to establish a cellular, fully distributed network. Such a high-density storage medium would mean that each person could carry the seeds of the entire movement for greater resilience in the face of attack.
" 60 secomds of high resolution holographic porn!"
So from foreplay to cumshot, 60 seconds *IS* enough!
I'll tell my wife next time she complains!... Yes darling, an Anonymous Coward on Slashdot said its OK.
Of course they won't. They'll print it out, scan it in, and email the bitmap.
.. plus trailers,
and flying logos,
and "the making of.." shorts,
and advertaintment,
and Burger King promo's
and music videos,
and multilanguage interpol warnings,
and game software,
and anti piracy overhead.
Am I the only one careless the capacity of the optical disk but the longevity?
For example, 1Tb is enough for 500,000 jpeg, 6 megapixel photo. If you take 24 pictures everyday, 50 years later, the disk will be full. Even we will have 60+ megapixel camera in 10 years, it will still need a decade to fill it up. But could the optical disk itself last that long?
This is not insightful, it is shortsighted and unimaginative. I and plenty of others would love to have such a large capacity for backups and archives.
Does it bother anyone else that they are talking to successors of products that aren't even out yet? I mean, if blu-ray doesn't hold enough data, then we've got a problem. Because with the existence of DVD's they've proven that even though the technology is there, the publishers don't want to put more than 1 movie, or 1 album on a single disc. If they did, I'd be able to go out and buy the a DVD with the complete TU-Pac library. The only problem with this is what happens when he comes out with something new. Then I have to buy another disc.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Still takes over 15 minutes to fill a disc. Now, if they could get 1GB/s fill rate on DVD's, that'd be nice. On another note, wouldn't this sort of thing render hdd's somewhat obsolete? As long as the data and the discs can withstand the passage of time, hdd's couldn't hold a candle to them. And for all those folks that think a terabyte is just too much, wait until truly immersive visual and audio media come into play, terabytes won't be so big.
Which PHB uses a spreadsheet program that kan keep _any_ spreadsheet undert 1MB?
Compact Disks already have extra bits of redundancy built in to accomodate scratches. I think it's called Reed-Solomon error correction, but whatever it is, it's there. I'm sure something similar will be on this new media.
Slashdot is proof that Sturgeon's Law applies to mankind.
If technology keeps going the direction it is today, we will need a format so large that we cannot even comprehend it.
Considering that the proposed UHDV needs 3500 Gigabytes @ 24 GB/S just to playback 18 minutes, this HVD can't even meet the mark with it's 1000 GB limit.
-Fussen
I think by the time it comes out and become mature, we might probably have video recording like what we saw in the movie "Minority Report"...and video recording by then probably needs a large storage
Someone should count up all the stories we have seen on Slashdot about revolutionary new storage technologies, and then find out how many ever made it to market and were widely adopted. I bet the ratio is about 1000:1.
Given that, it seems pretty likely the HVD be yet another case of vaporware.
Sometimes new tech like this gets passed on to the consumer before the XXAAs get to them. Sometimes they don't. That's why we never had "DAT" really catch on in the US -- too many rules and laws and crap -- DAT is a great format and it was just killed by XXAAs saying "but they will be able to make perfect copies!! We'll never survive!! WAAAAA!"
Well, the CD got out without much hassle in spite of the XXAAs and was quite successful in even boosting the sale of their media rather than seeing countless "friends and families making perfect copies...waaaaa!" until they were out of business.
I think history does a lot to illustrate that the consumer is not a threat to the XXAAs even with movie/mosic file swapping going on all over the place. The fact is, when people like it, it doesn't matter if they can get it for free on the net -- they want a nice box to put on their shelf and a nice piece of 'official' media that contains one of their favorite works. That part will never change and that's the money in their bank.... why they want to take their profits and give it to lawyers I'll never know...
"HVD is being seen as a possible successor to Blu-ray and HD-DVD technologies." I love that it is replacing something that isn't even on the market yet.
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How about we go staraight to HVD to avoid the format battle between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray?
http://chrono.posterous.com/
Actually, there is already alot of error correction in DVDs and CDs.
o r_co rrection
read up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed-Solomon_err
The par files of wich you speak of, actually use this.
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Anybody who has a backup problem larger than the pr0n collection you keep on your computer in mommy's basement is going to be really glad to see TB removable data storage... as opposed to 200 DVD-Rs to get the same amount of data storage. With this, WALMART will be able to replace their tape silos with a few DVD jukeboxes that'll fit in a server closet, The rest of us with smaller data storage needs will also benefit. I have about 30G to back up. It fits with compression onto 3 DVD-Rs, which I have to sit and burn. A TVD I can burn overnight unattended.
This also makes new business models for the record/movie industries possible, but I'm not about to try to explain them to you.
Go back to AOL where you can be at home with "differently abled" people like you.
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I wonder who has the patents on this technology.
a 1 TB disc can hold only 70 high definition movies. (200 regular).
.. a typical person would want to have a library of over 1000 movies at their disposal .. imagine an airplane where each seat can has a library of movies or TV shows an individual could watch.
think about that
So then why are Fantastic Voyage and Back to the Future coded for region 1? Both of those had been out of the theater for at least a decade before the DVD format even existed, yet both are region 1 along with many other very old movies (very old defined as being out of the theaters at least 5 years before DVDs existed).
Of course, those idiots at the MPAA, RIAA, Microsoft, and other left-wing anti-freedom organizations will find ways to make one movie take up a whole disc...
For example, they'll decide that instead of burdening the DVD player with both decompression and unencryption, why not make up an encryption algorithm that is a thousand times as difficult to crack, while placing the movie on the disc uncompressed.
They'll advertise this as providing even higher quality than DVD, which it will when viewing takes place, and they'll sell it to so-called "content providers" as preventing piracy, which it will not do.
Their ulterior motive, as we all know, is to get Congress behind them to allegedly "prevent piracy" when what they actually want to do is prevent Linux software from being capable of playing videos and music. Microsoft wants this because it gains additional power, such as the ability to push its Media Center version of Windows XP without unwanted competition from Linux vendors. The price can be high, the software can be so buggy that it might work, maybe, once in a while, sometimes. But users will pay this price and live with the unreliability and inefficiency of Microsoft's product because they will not know of any alternative (read: Linux) which can do a better job, cheaper, faster, with less hardware, and with higher customer satisfaction.
That is but the short-term goal. The long-term goal of these terrible organizations is to chisel away at our freedoms so they can control our lives and turn the free countries of the world into something that makes the former USSR look like heaven.
I thought "holographic" meant that the movies would be stored on the disk in some VRML-like 3d format so that they could be projected like Princess Leia talking to R2D2, or the movie viewer could move the camera around the action. If there's going to be that much storage capacity on the disk anyway, wouldn't it be interesting to do something like this? In fact, don't machinima movies do something a little like this, where the network traffic is 3D model representations of the scene, and one machine positions the camera and renders the result for video recording? So the video bandwidth doesn't need to be any more than a typical LAN, 100 mbits per second. That should be pretty doable.
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Screw using it as a replacement for CD/DVD/Blue-Ray, I want to use it to replace current hard drive technology! I'm sure that there must be away to adapt this technology so that it could be used in this manner. I wonder if there is a limit to the number of writes that can be performed on the medium?
It's important to note the comment "HVD is being seen as a possible successor to Blu-ray and HD-DVD technologies."
Blu-ray itself isn't due out to 2006-2007, and assuming it has the same sort of live that DVD had, it will be around for about 5 or so years before it is overtaken by some new technology, such as this. So we are looking at maybe 2012 before this technology is actually first seen, at which time early adopters will pick it up.
Add in another year or two for it to become more main-stream, with movies and games being published on it, and we are looking at 2013, 2014.
So, it will be nearly 10 years before we really see people using this technology - that's a lot of time in terms of computers. As a reader above rightfully pointed out, not even ten years ago they thought 18GB drives were insanely big.
Over the next ten years the size of games, applications, movies, music, pictures will all grow as their quality and features increase. As such, they will need greater space.
There will be a need for this kind of technology by the time it is released.
I go to the trouble to get a 1TB raid 5 array for my home and these jerks are invalidating it already?!
I do security
By then the size of an empty Microsoft® Excel® spreadsheet is going to be at least gigabytes.
Wake me up when they can store the internet on a disc!
It seems that more memory will always be utilised, but not necessarily for anything more useful. Obviously the more memory you provide programmers with, the less difficult their job but I am in the middle of my individual project at University at the moment which requires me to implement an IrDA master and slave in 2KB of memory and it's tough, but isn't kind of the point?
People have been throwing around comments about simulations, etc, but isn't it the consumer that drives these developments, and the average consumer doesn't run these kinds of tasks. The only use for memory in the public domain at this time is video (and audio?), and I eagerly await the next "necessary" media that will make use of all this extra capacity.
We will not be needing that kind of storage for High Definition TV (HDTV) here in the USA because we will not allowed to record high quality HDTV signals after July 1, 2005 anyway. After July 1 it will be illegal to manufacture or import DTV tuners unless they include DRM technologies. They may still need those 54 MB CDs elsewhere in the world but, in this country Hollywood had the political clout to keep us from building our own Personal Video Recorders (PVR) and recording HDTV programs. After July 1st, I will clearly be illegal to buy HDTV video capture cards that could work on an open source operating system such as Linux because open source software does not have robust protection against the user tampering. After that will only be allowed to buy personal video recorders (PVR) that have the covers epoxied shut with thorough protection against modification by their owner. I am not sure if future DRM enhanced versions of Windows will be able to do that or not?
Fortunately, it will be legal for us to continue using the cards we bought before then even after July 1st. From what I have heard, the pcHDTV company in Utah plans to keep making and selling their Linux only HD 3000 video capture card until the last possible moment. It only works for the HDTV signals received by an antenna, not by cable or satellite. Before then, I plan to build, an legally use, my Linux based mythical convergence box with an HDTV PVR that can send recorded HDTV programs and play them on my TV or any computer monitor on my home network. Perhaps I will be needing to burn a few of those 54 MB CDs. I will then be one of the few Americans who will be grandfathered in and legally allowed to record HDTV on my Linux computer. Before buring any backup DVDs from what I have recorded on my hard drive, I will check to see if that is legal. If it is not legal, I will not bother saving what I have recorded on DVDs for personal use. Here is a link about the new law:
http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/HDTV/
Don't fear, Hollywood still has the polical clout to have new Digital Rights Management features required on new technologies as they are developed. The latest example is a new Federal FCC rule that will ban the selling or importing of High Definition Television (HDTV) video capture cards after July 1, 2005. Hollywood will be happy!
That rule will not affect me much because I bought an HD 3000 HDTV video capture card for my computer before July 1st and the new rule will allow existing users to continue recording HDTV shows. This only affects antenna HDTV reception on cable or satellite HDTV. Here is the info:
http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/HDTV/
Ooops, I ment to say that this only applies to recording HDTV antenna signals, not to HDTV cable or satellite.
I do not know if it is more right-wing or left-wing or just a bad? Is Oren Hatch of Utah a republican or democrat? Well anyway, here is Hollywoods latest attempt to cripple a new computer technology:
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http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/HDTV/
Initally it would affect both Linux and Windows computers but, in the long run I suspect that future versions of Windows be exempt. The new FCC rule requires that after July 1st, 2005 all devices that receive and record HDTV broadcast signals be robust agains user tampering. Well, by nature an open source operating system such as Linux is not robust against user tampering.
What is that latest name that Microsoft is calling their new Palladium technology that they plan to include in future versions of Windows? They keep re-nameing it because it is so controversial. But, whatever they are currently calling it, it is clearly aimed at making computers robust against computer owners accessing unauthorized files, documents and software. My personal thinking is that they might legally be allowed to record HDTV over-the-air signals but not Linux or FreeBSD. Boxes which have their covers epoxied shut along with other precautions against tampering would still be legal.
It will still be legal to use the HDTV video capture cards which were purchased before July 1st, 2005. I plan to build my own Linux based HDTV personal video recorder before then so that I will be grandfathered in and exempt from the new rule. Recording HDTV is somewhat of a processor intensive process, but I am doing it mostly so that they can not lock me out. I love Linux and will not ever let them make me switch. This new technology only applies to antenna reception of HDTV not cable or satellite. By the way, I am a republican who is an economic conservative but more of a social moderate. Here is information from the Electronic Frontier Foundation on what we can still do legally before July 1, 2005:
http://www.eff.org/broadcastflag/cookbook/guide
What about both at the same time? Knoppix Facials!
... Looks like I'll have to buy the "White Album" again...
By the taping of my glasses, something geeky this way passes
There is also Aprilis
Pr0n expands to fill the memory available to occupy.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/workexpandst.html
The older labels could put every album and single in their masters vaults, from Edison wax cylinders to Britney's latest whatever with room to spare for promo videos and marketing materials. A record master sitting in a vault brings in no money. Why not put everything out for sale at once?
Put these jukeboxes in every record store. People who want to buy an album brings a dummy album to the counter just as it is handled in DVD rental places. It gets scanned, paid for, and the new album is burned and the cover art is printed. The customer is handed a package with CD, jewel case, and cover artwork in it.
Encrypt each of the catalogue disks to the individual kiosks. There are other possible security measures that can be taken as well, but this is a slashdot post, not a business plan. Though a business plan could be put together around it.
The record labels bill the record stores based on the number of end user downloads to CD.
As for why not go to an all electronic format, the difference between 128K MP3 and uncompressed CD audio is audible, and the main thing that sells CDs even to downloaders these days. You want a full CD-quality track? 50 megs is a bit painful even for regular consumer broadband and unthinkable on dialup. How many albums will you download if your bandwidth is capped?
Send the HVDs out every month via snailmail. If they get lost, simply burn/send a replacement, they're of no value to anyone who steals one from the mail.
For the very highest demand artists who one can figure will go platinum, it's still more cost-effective to mass-produce CDs and ship them physically. This would allow a label to profit even from an artist selling one record to the public per decade that they haven't paid to promote in half a century.
I'd like to be able to go to a record store or online and be able to buy all the records I grew up with. Or buy CDs with full audio quality from any band that's ever recorded an album on any label anywhere.
One would think that the record labels would like to take my money for them. Apparently, control is more interesting to them than profit to stockholders is.
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I thought these things were supposed to have no access time and were supposed to be in some sort of cube form...
A horse can't be sick, you know, even if he wants to.
Duh. I know. Focus on the words "flexible" and "fill out".
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Duh. I know. Focus on the words "flexible" and "fill out".
Sheeesh. If I have to lay out everything I already know every time I post, I'd never get anything done.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Its easy - my entire DVD collection is ripped onto my harddrives as image files & high bitrate rips, which i then watch under MythTV from my main fileserver, serving up music in wave format (why not, i had the space :P) and the dvds. So i dont have to change disks, risking i scratch them or something stupid like pouring cola/coffe/beer on them. I buy about 10 DVDs each month, so over time i accumulate quite alot of data :)
I actually currently fill over 1.5TB of storage - some of it is dupe files, but still. If i backed it up, which i should it took ages to rip, i would fill it twice. But 250gb drives are virtually costless nowadays, so i might do just that.
...I have a 5MP camera. Each picture I take is about 5MB (RAW). I took about 100 pics on one weekend trip alone, there's 500MB for ya. And I'm barely a hobby photographer. Now, if he was talking about 200GB, we might ask if all that would be 'your stuff'.
Besides, pop down to any store and buy a game. It'll require an install of at least a gig. Ok, so it's not self-made, but it is definately your copy and required to play the game. Even if you kept no mp3s, no divxs or anything else that is "voluntary" third-party content, you will need several gb to have a working system today.
Hell, I got savefiles (which are arguably "my own") that are much greater than that. All that being said, we see from the slowdown in the HDD sector that most people do well with the 150-200GB drives that are "standard" today. But it is a long time since 40MB of user-made content was anything.
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to fit Longhorn on a single disc.
The next standard hasnt came out yet, and your already planning to make it outdated! Bah. I will never buy another movie again.
Focusing on current technologies, it would appear on the surface that 1TB is going to take seem unnecessary to the average user. Even with HD content it still seems a bit excessive for those outside of the "power user" group.
But what about technologies that are still in the labratory development phase? Such as 3D Holographic Video? (You know, Obi-Wan style) Surely they are going to need storage in sevral orders of magnitude over what we've got now?
I'm sure they're are many other projects in the pipeline, in labratories across the world, that are going to lap up that 1TB like a hungry puppy, and your average user is going to inherit those storage needs...
A friend of mine worked on the center that took data from NASA scientific satellites and distributed it to the relevant scientists. That stream of data came to terabytes a day.
C3D now Constellation 3D was talking up tech that sounded very familiar to this a few years back. Claimed that the CDs could be made for ~ the same cost as existing ones. Apparently they had a 10 layer prototype and were working on a 100 layer that was to be a 1TB disk. (for you holographic-storage-must-be-square types they even had a credit-card sized rewritable media format that they were pushing too) I can't seem to find a home page anymore and they're stock is not doing so hot.
Perhaps they were a little too far ahead of their time. (Or were just vapor to begin with)
> The LoC is normally quoted at 10tb.
Either quote the parent or expand your US-centric acronyms.
For a moment there I was thinking how many Lines_of_Code you could stuff in 10TB...
It's scary how we already have a "successor" of 2 new media formats (Blu-ray/HD-DVD) which aren't even released yet.
In a 1996 Byte magazine article about holographic storage, an IBM researcher was quoted as saying "small desktop units [...] might be ready by about the year 2003."
I remember mentioning this to a friend of mine at the time, and he claimed that he remembered a BYTE article about holographic storage from about 1985 in which the researchers (possibly also at IBM) claimed that production versions were five years away.
You'll also note that the linked BYTE article above mentions that the idea had been floating around for 30 years as of 1996.
In short, holographic storage is right up there with those flying cars they promised us...
Nah - don't waste space and expense on protecting them. Make them redundant: multiple copies. That's the sensible CS approach to vulnerability - make it failsafe through expendibility. With broadband and huge, cheap fixed media drives, removable discs are more a transport medium than a storage medium. Better they put money into transfer speed for default, immediate "backup" than in making each disc tougher.
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Why not just skip directly from existing DVD to this new holographic HVD technology?
:)
Moving from floppy to CD/DVD was a breakthrough for the computer industry, as moving from videotape to DVD was for the movie industry.
However, moving from DVD to BluRay or HDVD doesn't seem to be that much of an improvement. Consumers, especially those who are not early adopters of new technology, do tire of replacing their media every few years when a new standard disc is declared! I fear that BluRay/HDVD won't be that great of a breakthrough (HDTV movies, big deal, that can be already done by tweaking the compression on an existing double-layer DVD).
If a working HVD prototype has already been demonstrated, then why not skip the impending format war between BluRay and HDVD, and move directly to an HVD standard? It would save consumers a lot of hassle in the long run, and get us all a cool new holographic storage technology
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