If your using WOrd and Excel files, Docs2Go handles them just fine (better, IMHO, than the Pocket version on the PPC) - I regularly beam them back and forth from my laptop.
English is a little known dialect used by up to 1.5 billion non-Americans worldwide.
Who cares? We're Americans, and we beat the bloody British in a town called New Orleans. They're lucky we didn't demand their language as war reperations.
looked at the site, but saw no mentions of source code / "IP" sale. Does anyone know if it is possible to buy some of their IP, and in that case, maybe the open source community could do a blender for some nice classics?:)
Quality aside, even if you can buy the IP you might be severely limited in what you can do with it, at least in terms of releasing the games. They may not own th erights to characters, etc; so releasing the games would require obtaining those rights as well.
Lets be honest though, the seller must have noticed $400 bids on a coupon and thought it a little extreme. Why has the seller not pulled such an obviously over-priced item? Has he attempted to contact the buyer to give him a chance to retract their bid? I bet they havn't; they just have $$$ in their eyes.
Uhh, but $$ is why people sell things on eBay.
It's not the sellers fault if a buyer is stupid enough to overpay (in fact, that happens at many auctions - I've seen stuff sell for more than you can get it at a local store, brand new in the box); the auctions listed enough are pretty clear about what's being sold and how much the phone will cost above the coupon price.
Actually fuel costs are right up there at the top along with water and food, but not in the cost of buying then, but in hauling them. Those three items make up something in the neighboorhood of 75% of the logistical loadout and get even more expensive when you have to airlift them in instead of by slow boat.
Yup = which is what I meant by reducing the logistical footprint; which is most of teh transport capability anyway, especially once the force is on the ground.
So now they just need to get rid of bullets so we can be more environmentally friendly and of course murder our fell man cleaner, more effectively, and more humanly.
Well, they're working on an electron gun, so they may even have that covered...
Actually, there's a lot of hybrid vehicle development going on at DoD - even for the current batch of HMMV's,
The militray is always interetsed in lower fuel consumption (as long as it doesn't degrade mission capabilities), because that means you have to haul less gas to the battlefield, lessening the logistical footprint. Fuel costs are a very small part of the equation - more of an added benefit than a driver, at least for combat and combat support vehicles.
In addition, hybrids can be more stealthy - less thermal signature, lower noise, etc. - which maes them better for many types of missions.
Size counts as wll - anything that helps load it (or more of them) into a C-130 or C-17 is a plus, especially since the US military is moving to lighter fast reaction forces that can be airlifted quickly to combat zones, rather than running massive convoys of ships that take days to get there.
But you still don't get the differences in the types of stealling. You cannot compare a head on colision in a car with a side impact because they are two different thing.
They are both car accidents - different types, but at the root, the same thing. And it isn't sharing music - it's stealing.
Actually it cannot be hypocritical. They are Two seperate things. As pointed out ealier and agreed on, down loading and claiming ownership are two seperate thinngs.
Ah, rationa;ization. At the root, both are stealing - different ways, but the same thing in the end.
At most it can be a differing standard of ethics or morals.
Sure - people want it both ways - "when I do it it;s because data wants to be free, when someonelese does it it's stealing." - which is why I call it hypocritical to take that stance,
Some people think the pot smoking is ok because eveyone is doing it and they don't see the harm it causes. While still being an ilegal drug they don't catagorize it in the same way as crack cocain. For some reason cocain has a higher moral priority then pot and is seen as the worse of the evils. Most rational people do see it as a different type of drug and they are simularly sperate issues.
You're confusing the degree of severity with the underlying morality of the act, which os norma; because people want to rationalize there behavior while decrying others.
Does it make them hypocritical?
Yes.
no because stealing is stealing right. So the person that takes a handfull of change from the end table should goto prison for as long of a time as the perosn that robs a bank. It doesn't matter they are 6 and probably don't know any better or think they are being cool like dad because they have change in thier pockets.
There certainly are degrees of seriousness and punishment should be weighed against that - and you can certainly explain to a six year old that that is something you don't do.
So yes there is a difference and there is a different level of ethics. stealing someones music is different then stealing someone's idea.
Sure - stealing someone's music costs them money - but stealing OSS software doesn't - so I'd say the music theaf is worse in this case.
Were they would be the same is if someone else remade the song and then claimed to be the author of it, charged a profit for it and in reality did nothing but redistritute what was already there.
So if the company puts a disclaimer that the underlying software is OSS based and you're buying the hw not the sw - it's OK - after all, then their just d/l'g it and not claiming it as their own work.
Going vegetarian is about knowing, deep in your gut, that you can live without killing animals. It is about honoring animals not by killing them but by not killing them. Sure, they may be killed more painfully by a predator than by your gun (ignoring the tremendous number of animals that are only wounded by the hunter, that limp off and slowly and painfully die. You guys ain't all dead eye shots you know.) But that _is_ a kill or be killed kind of situation, and there _is_ honor in that. Not that animals really care much about honor.
But unless vegetarions limit themseleves to fruits and nuts they are killing too - surely the carrot dies to feed you just as a chicken does. Going vegetarian is about knowing, deep in your gut, that you can live without killing animals. It is about honoring animals not by killing them but by not killing them. Sure, they may be killed more painfully by a predator than by your gun (ignoring the tremendous number of animals that are only wounded by the hunter, that limp off and slowly and painfully die. You guys ain't all dead eye shots you know.) But that _is_ a kill or be killed kind of situation, and there _is_ honor in that. Not that animals really care much about honor. Vegetarians have made a decision about what level of life is worth killing so they can live - so what it comes down to is what an individual finds morally acceptable to kill.
If you don't want to kill animals, don't eat most vegetables either - because without pesticides and traps or farmers oicking bugs off their organic crops, there's be a lot less to go around - and all you've done is removed yourself one step from the killing, but it's still being done to feed you.
I am in no way saying copyright violations are ok.
(snip) But I am still quite annoyed at your attempts to equate two vastly different levels of copyright violation.
None of those illegal music downloaders claim they wrote Metallica's songs or sold copies of them claiming it was their own music.
I'm not saying they are equal (nor that they are vastly different) - just that both are wrong and to argue it's ok to steal music online (as many on/. do) and then get all upset over GPL violations is hypocritical.
They both are wrong, despite the rationalizations used by many on/. What difference does the level of copyright violation have on the morality of the action?
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Nothing, it's a real opportunity for cryogenics... just take everything someone knows and put it on a hard drive, and freeze *that*
Whatever happened to doing some research before posting? Everyone knows all you have to freeze is the heads...
Unfortunatly you actually pointed out the HUGE difference between downloading a copy of music and somebody attempting to claim they wrote that music themselves.
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There is tons and tons of GPL software available without source code on the net. Nobody does anything about it
I see. So a small disclaimer "some software not written by us" then it's ok to ignore the GPL. I doubt if that is a general concensus on/., but you're free to feel that way.
That's because the people here are not hyprocrites, no matter how hard you struggle with your oh-so-clever attempts to make it sound that way.
Maybe, but to argue that it's ok to copy music and videos but to get all bent if someone does the same with GPL code sounds hypocritcal to me.
So it looks to me like "the/. crowd" has a general lack of moral outrage over people sharing copyrighted material for free without the person being shared with buying a license, but does have moral outrage over people taking copyrighted material, repackaging it, presenting it as their own work, and selling it to others for a profit in violation of license.
So... congratulations! You have demonstrated that the slashdot community has two different consensus viewpoints on two different issues.
Or more clearly - the/. community thinks it's ok to steal as long as it's not their work being stolen
Something analogous to gpl violations in the music world would be not file-sharing, but bootlegging-- people who bulk-fabricate copies of commercial CDs and then sell them-- a practice which I've yet to see anyone on slashdot defend.
So if a company simply doesn't claim ownership of the code, but merely gives it away free if you buy the hardware, it's ok since all they're doing is sharing a file in violation of a license?
I need to pick up a foreign language elective. Should I learn Russian, Ukrainian, German, or another? (note: not French, Spanish, or Italian. I hate everyone who speaks those)
Pick the one with hot babes that you like. Nothing motivates learning like the possibility of a sleeping dictonary.
Can't really confirm that. I guess if you want to travel Eastern Europe, it's a good idea to know both of them, maybe a little Russian, too, even if that's even less liked.
It depends on how old people are, I guess, the younger population speaks English better than German, while older people are better in German.
Must been all those German tourists from the 1930's and 40's.
You've got that right. If you drop $250K-$350K for a brand new, built from scratch house in Little Rock...you'll get a small mansion with a large yard. Taxes are quite reasonable there...and if you move outside LR...cost of living drops at an almost exponential rate. Avg. regular apt. a few years back was like $250/mo or a little more.
Noy to mention the world;s biggest double wide down by the river; and some really great bar b que. LR needs a better airport though to really compete = flights are tough to get.
Why is it the fault of the store that the customers can't keep up with paperwork?
Do you think the highway patrol would cut you any slack if you said "I kindof lost my registration. one year is a long time..."
Our highway patrol stores everyone's registration in a box in their car. they must make a lot of copies so each car can have a copy, cause when you get stopped the officer uses some thing they call a computer to pull up your information, even if you've lost your paperwork.
It's not defensible when there are laws against it, otherwise what's the point of laws?
First, laws can be changed - just because a position currently is illegal does not me it is indefensible, nor that it will always be illegal. In fact, even a cursory glance at history reveals many cases where laws change as society evolves. (or is scientifically created for the flat earthers amongst us)
Second, there is no blanket prohibition against be[ing] allowed to make copies of software you have and distribute them - or else OSS would not exist. The IP owner gets to chose how it is distributed.
When my kid burns her mouth because her pasta was too hot, she gets upset but she's been warned and she knows she should have waited for it to cool, or blow her spoonful to make it colder. She's 6, an age where she now gets replied "you've been warned - make sure it wont happen next time by listening to what we told you"
When your coffee says "hot content", maybe you've been warned enough and should have taken that advice into account? If you can't read...too bad for you...This woman apparently knew how to read enough to order a coffee and pay for it.
You completely missed the point why MCDonalds lost; they:
Knew the coffee was too hot to consume; There customers generally bought coffee to drink right away; Never considered the safety ramifications of serving coffee that would cause 3rd degree burns in 2 - 7 seconds (most stores serve coffee at much lower temperatures);and Had nearly 700 customers over a 10 year period made burn claims.
I nshort, they were well aware of the dangers their product presented to unaware customers (McD's admitted its customers didn't know they could get 3rd degree burns) and so shared responsiblity for the damage it ciused. The award was reduced because the court found teh lady to be 20% at fault.
To use your child anaolgy, if you serve pasta that would acuse 3rd degree burns and tell your kids to be careful 700 times (including suffering severe burns during that time); I'd bet someone would question your parenting skills - would you think a reasonable argument would be the kid should know better?
A law like this in North America would cause warranties to default to zero. All products would be labelled "As Is" to reduce liability. Trust me on that. I'm a retailer myself and we get plenty of garbage products in from manufacturers that we know will welch on their warranty that get labelled like that by us as is (BIG fluorescent sticker, too).
In the US, you can't declaim all warrentees - there is an implied warranty that a product will function as it is intended - i.e. I can't sell taosters that don't toast and then say tough - it was an as is sale. Of course, those laws vary by state so some have more protections than others...
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If your using WOrd and Excel files, Docs2Go handles them just fine (better, IMHO, than the Pocket version on the PPC) - I regularly beam them back and forth from my laptop.
English is a little known dialect used by up to 1.5 billion non-Americans worldwide.
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Who cares? We're Americans, and we beat the bloody British in a town called New Orleans. They're lucky we didn't demand their language as war reperations.
Now, back to your regular scheduled
looked at the site, but saw no mentions of source code / "IP" sale. Does anyone know if it is possible to buy some of their IP, and in that case, maybe the open source community could do a blender for some nice classics? :)
Quality aside, even if you can buy the IP you might be severely limited in what you can do with it, at least in terms of releasing the games. They may not own th erights to characters, etc; so releasing the games would require obtaining those rights as well.
Because the company I work for owns everything I think and do, according to my employment agreement. Nothing is considered "side-work."
Hmm - I wonder if they are liable for any problems that arise for any off-hours work, since they "own" it?
I doubt it, but that would be an interesting legal arguement - since IANAL any IAAL willing to comment?
As a side note - can an emplployement argeement be so braod as to own everything and be enforcable?
Me - I write on the side. A friend owns a bar. He has more fun.
Lets be honest though, the seller must have noticed $400 bids on a coupon and thought it a little extreme. Why has the seller not pulled such an obviously over-priced item? Has he attempted to contact the buyer to give him a chance to retract their bid? I bet they havn't; they just have $$$ in their eyes.
Uhh, but $$ is why people sell things on eBay.
It's not the sellers fault if a buyer is stupid enough to overpay (in fact, that happens at many auctions - I've seen stuff sell for more than you can get it at a local store, brand new in the box); the auctions listed enough are pretty clear about what's being sold and how much the phone will cost above the coupon price.
Actually fuel costs are right up there at the top along with water and food, but not in the cost of buying then, but in hauling them. Those three items make up something in the neighboorhood of 75% of the logistical loadout and get even more expensive when you have to airlift them in instead of by slow boat.
Yup = which is what I meant by reducing the logistical footprint; which is most of teh transport capability anyway, especially once the force is on the ground.
So now they just need to get rid of bullets so we can be more environmentally friendly and of course murder our fell man cleaner, more effectively, and more humanly.
Well, they're working on an electron gun, so they may even have that covered...
Actually, there's a lot of hybrid vehicle development going on at DoD - even for the current batch of HMMV's,
The militray is always interetsed in lower fuel consumption (as long as it doesn't degrade mission capabilities), because that means you have to haul less gas to the battlefield, lessening the logistical footprint. Fuel costs are a very small part of the equation - more of an added benefit than a driver, at least for combat and combat support vehicles.
In addition, hybrids can be more stealthy - less thermal signature, lower noise, etc. - which maes them better for many types of missions.
Size counts as wll - anything that helps load it (or more of them) into a C-130 or C-17 is a plus, especially since the US military is moving to lighter fast reaction forces that can be airlifted quickly to combat zones, rather than running massive convoys of ships that take days to get there.
But you still don't get the differences in the types of stealling. You cannot compare a head on colision in a car with a side impact because they are two different thing.
They are both car accidents - different types, but at the root, the same thing. And it isn't sharing music - it's stealing.
Actually it cannot be hypocritical. They are Two seperate things. As pointed out ealier and agreed on, down loading and claiming ownership are two seperate thinngs.
Ah, rationa;ization. At the root, both are stealing - different ways, but the same thing in the end.
At most it can be a differing standard of ethics or morals.
Sure - people want it both ways - "when I do it it;s because data wants to be free, when someonelese does it it's stealing." - which is why I call it hypocritical to take that stance,
Some people think the pot smoking is ok because eveyone is doing it and they don't see the harm it causes. While still being an ilegal drug they don't catagorize it in the same way as crack cocain. For some reason cocain has a higher moral priority then pot and is seen as the worse of the evils. Most rational people do see it as a different type of drug and they are simularly sperate issues.
You're confusing the degree of severity with the underlying morality of the act, which os norma; because people want to rationalize there behavior while decrying others.
Does it make them hypocritical?
Yes.
no because stealing is stealing right. So the person that takes a handfull of change from the end table should goto prison for as long of a time as the perosn that robs a bank. It doesn't matter they are 6 and probably don't know any better or think they are being cool like dad because they have change in thier pockets.
There certainly are degrees of seriousness and punishment should be weighed against that - and you can certainly explain to a six year old that that is something you don't do.
So yes there is a difference and there is a different level of ethics. stealing someones music is different then stealing someone's idea.
Sure - stealing someone's music costs them money - but stealing OSS software doesn't - so I'd say the music theaf is worse in this case.
Were they would be the same is if someone else remade the song and then claimed to be the author of it, charged a profit for it and in reality did nothing but redistritute what was already there.
So if the company puts a disclaimer that the underlying software is OSS based and you're buying the hw not the sw - it's OK - after all, then their just d/l'g it and not claiming it as their own work.
Going vegetarian is about knowing, deep in your gut, that you can live without killing animals. It is about honoring animals not by killing them but by not killing them. Sure, they may be killed more painfully by a predator than by your gun (ignoring the tremendous number of animals that are only wounded by the hunter, that limp off and slowly and painfully die. You guys ain't all dead eye shots you know.) But that _is_ a kill or be killed kind of situation, and there _is_ honor in that. Not that animals really care much about honor.
But unless vegetarions limit themseleves to fruits and nuts they are killing too - surely the carrot dies to feed you just as a chicken does. Going vegetarian is about knowing, deep in your gut, that you can live without killing animals. It is about honoring animals not by killing them but by not killing them. Sure, they may be killed more painfully by a predator than by your gun (ignoring the tremendous number of animals that are only wounded by the hunter, that limp off and slowly and painfully die. You guys ain't all dead eye shots you know.) But that _is_ a kill or be killed kind of situation, and there _is_ honor in that. Not that animals really care much about honor.
Vegetarians have made a decision about what level of life is worth killing so they can live - so what it comes down to is what an individual finds morally acceptable to kill.
If you don't want to kill animals, don't eat most vegetables either - because without pesticides and traps or farmers oicking bugs off their organic crops, there's be a lot less to go around - and all you've done is removed yourself one step from the killing, but it's still being done to feed you.
If there are two people starving to death: one who has a rifle and has hunted for years, and you with a stick, who do you think is going to survive?
The one who beats the guy to death with a stick?
I am in no way saying copyright violations are ok.
/. do) and then get all upset over GPL violations is hypocritical.
/. What difference does the level of copyright violation have on the morality of the action?
(snip)
But I am still quite annoyed at your attempts to equate two vastly different levels of copyright violation.
None of those illegal music downloaders claim they wrote Metallica's songs or sold copies of them claiming it was their own music.
I'm not saying they are equal (nor that they are vastly different) - just that both are wrong and to argue it's ok to steal music online (as many on
They both are wrong, despite the rationalizations used by many on
Nothing, it's a real opportunity for cryogenics... just take everything someone knows and put it on a hard drive, and freeze *that*
Whatever happened to doing some research before posting? Everyone knows all you have to freeze is the heads...
Unfortunatly you actually pointed out the HUGE difference between downloading a copy of music and somebody attempting to claim they wrote that music themselves.
/., but you're free to feel that way.
(SNIP)
There is tons and tons of GPL software available without source code on the net. Nobody does anything about it
I see. So a small disclaimer "some software not written by us" then it's ok to ignore the GPL. I doubt if that is a general concensus on
That's because the people here are not hyprocrites, no matter how hard you struggle with your oh-so-clever attempts to make it sound that way.
Maybe, but to argue that it's ok to copy music and videos but to get all bent if someone does the same with GPL code sounds hypocritcal to me.
So it looks to me like "the /. crowd" has a general lack of moral outrage over people sharing copyrighted material for free without the person being shared with buying a license, but does have moral outrage over people taking copyrighted material, repackaging it, presenting it as their own work, and selling it to others for a profit in violation of license.
/. community thinks it's ok to steal as long as it's not their work being stolen
So... congratulations! You have demonstrated that the slashdot community has two different consensus viewpoints on two different issues.
Or more clearly - the
Something analogous to gpl violations in the music world would be not file-sharing, but bootlegging-- people who bulk-fabricate copies of commercial CDs and then sell them-- a practice which I've yet to see anyone on slashdot defend.
So if a company simply doesn't claim ownership of the code, but merely gives it away free if you buy the hardware, it's ok since all they're doing is sharing a file in violation of a license?
I need to pick up a foreign language elective. Should I learn Russian, Ukrainian, German, or another? (note: not French, Spanish, or Italian. I hate everyone who speaks those)
Pick the one with hot babes that you like. Nothing motivates learning like the possibility of a sleeping dictonary.
Can't really confirm that. I guess if you want to travel Eastern Europe, it's a good idea to know both of them, maybe a little Russian, too, even if that's even less liked.
It depends on how old people are, I guess, the younger population speaks English better than German, while older people are better in German.
Must been all those German tourists from the 1930's and 40's.
Forget DC. I am in Santa Monica on business and I am amazed at the number of homeless. There are far more than I have ever seen in Manhattan.
Better weather
You've got that right. If you drop $250K-$350K for a brand new, built from scratch house in Little Rock...you'll get a small mansion with a large yard. Taxes are quite reasonable there...and if you move outside LR...cost of living drops at an almost exponential rate. Avg. regular apt. a few years back was like $250/mo or a little more.
Noy to mention the world;s biggest double wide down by the river; and some really great bar b que.
LR needs a better airport though to really compete = flights are tough to get.
workable libertarian state
Better known as an oxymoron
Why is it the fault of the store that the customers can't keep up with paperwork?
Do you think the highway patrol would cut you any slack if you said "I kindof lost my registration. one year is a long time..."
Our highway patrol stores everyone's registration in a box in their car. they must make a lot of copies so each car can have a copy, cause when you get stopped the officer uses some thing they call a computer to pull up your information, even if you've lost your paperwork.
I fell for a phishing scam once. I just hope when Mr Hitler tried to get a new password from tech support they didn't give one out.
It's not defensible when there are laws against it, otherwise what's the point of laws?
First, laws can be changed - just because a position currently is illegal does not me it is indefensible, nor that it will always be illegal. In fact, even a cursory glance at history reveals many cases where laws change as society evolves. (or is scientifically created for the flat earthers amongst us)
Second, there is no blanket prohibition against be[ing] allowed to make copies of software you have and distribute them - or else OSS would not exist. The IP owner gets to chose how it is distributed.
When my kid burns her mouth because her pasta was too hot, she gets upset but she's been warned and she knows she should have waited for it to cool, or blow her spoonful to make it colder. She's 6, an age where she now gets replied "you've been warned - make sure it wont happen next time by listening to what we told you"
When your coffee says "hot content", maybe you've been warned enough and should have taken that advice into account? If you can't read...too bad for you...This woman apparently knew how to read enough to order a coffee and pay for it.
You completely missed the point why MCDonalds lost; they:
Knew the coffee was too hot to consume;
There customers generally bought coffee to drink right away;
Never considered the safety ramifications of serving coffee that would cause 3rd degree burns in 2 - 7 seconds (most stores serve coffee at much lower temperatures);and
Had nearly 700 customers over a 10 year period made burn claims.
I nshort, they were well aware of the dangers their product presented to unaware customers (McD's admitted its customers didn't know they could get 3rd degree burns) and so shared responsiblity for the damage it ciused. The award was reduced because the court found teh lady to be 20% at fault.
To use your child anaolgy, if you serve pasta that would acuse 3rd degree burns and tell your kids to be careful 700 times (including suffering severe burns during that time); I'd bet someone would question your parenting skills - would you think a reasonable argument would be the kid should know better?
A law like this in North America would cause warranties to default to zero. All products would be labelled "As Is" to reduce liability. Trust me on that. I'm a retailer myself and we get plenty of garbage products in from manufacturers that we know will welch on their warranty that get labelled like that by us as is (BIG fluorescent sticker, too).
In the US, you can't declaim all warrentees - there is an implied warranty that a product will function as it is intended - i.e. I can't sell taosters that don't toast and then say tough - it was an as is sale. Of course, those laws vary by state so some have more protections than others...