We use a service called IronMountain (formerly Arcus) to send our DR tapes offsite. They're essentially foam-padded metal containers. I'm sure they would also have containers for hard drives, though you'd have to supply your own static free stuff. The benefit of metal containers is the added fire and shock resistance.
"Why do people in industries with strict uptime or reliability requirements always act holier-than-thou about the whole issue, as if their way is the only right way?"
Because we have the experience and requisite expertise to know what we're talking about. We've tried all the other ways, in order to save costs, and found that our way is the best way...for us. I'm not saying that it's MY way or NO way, but I CAN tell you what works in my environment. Because it's my ass if I don't meet those Six Sigma numbers.
Wouldn't that cost more than writing to tape? I mean, depending on how much data you're backing up, that's a hell of a lot of technology (and points of failure) to use to get rid of tape.
My company is looking to cut down on Disastor Recovery costs by using IBM Sharks, with Flashcopy, coupled together in a dual-datacenter approach. The software used to couple them together (they'd reside miles apart) is VERY expensive, though, and perhaps not worth the added cost.
With another hard drive comes another computer, and another network connection, possibly another switch (to avoid bandwidth issues), etc. Why would you want to introduce all the extra points of failure?
I disagree, but only at work. If a VP sends something to his direct reports, who then forwards it to their managers (adding their own spin to enhance the message a tailor it to their staffs) and eventually it gets to me. And then I forward it on to the people actually involved with the project. If I just make my own message, it loses the sense that one of the 'gorillas from the mist' has spoken about their project.
"...even my boyfriend, who has one of those LG phones that you get for free with Verizon, gets jealous of me surfing around the Internet, playing games, and chatting when we're waiting in line for something."
Shouldn't you be paying attention to each other, instead of 'chatting', etc.? I mean, talk about a breakup waiting to happen.
Having been in sales, I can assure you that commissioned sales people can earn a very good living, provided they know what the hell they're talking about.
I got out of sales because the market was dropping, and I needed a job with 'steady earnings' in order to buy a house. I still part-time it on the side when I can, and can sometimes double my paycheck by working only weekends.
And no, I'm not talking about telemarketing, outside sales, or any other nefarious profession.
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We use a service called IronMountain (formerly Arcus) to send our DR tapes offsite. They're essentially foam-padded metal containers. I'm sure they would also have containers for hard drives, though you'd have to supply your own static free stuff. The benefit of metal containers is the added fire and shock resistance.
Nah. We're not talking about image quality here.
A better comparison would be comparing a hard drive with a zip drive. If you restore from either, you still get the same data back.
"Why do people in industries with strict uptime or reliability requirements always act holier-than-thou about the whole issue, as if their way is the only right way?"
Because we have the experience and requisite expertise to know what we're talking about. We've tried all the other ways, in order to save costs, and found that our way is the best way...for us. I'm not saying that it's MY way or NO way, but I CAN tell you what works in my environment. Because it's my ass if I don't meet those Six Sigma numbers.
Wouldn't that cost more than writing to tape? I mean, depending on how much data you're backing up, that's a hell of a lot of technology (and points of failure) to use to get rid of tape.
The tapes we use are $54 a piece, and hold up to 100BG of data. IBM 3494 tape library, 3590 tapes.
You would still need to back up to another medium then, if you want that level of data recovery options.
One problem would come with government contracts. They require that backup data be stored a minimum of (if I recall correctly) 35 miles away.
I hate using cron for important stuff, by the way. There's just no safe way to make SURE something happens. I've just been burned too many times...
So where (or what) do you back it up to now?
My company is looking to cut down on Disastor Recovery costs by using IBM Sharks, with Flashcopy, coupled together in a dual-datacenter approach. The software used to couple them together (they'd reside miles apart) is VERY expensive, though, and perhaps not worth the added cost.
We also use Netbackup. Once we worked out all of the bugs, it works like a champ. We coupled ours with an IBM 3494 tape library.
You can, but that's not the point.
With another hard drive comes another computer, and another network connection, possibly another switch (to avoid bandwidth issues), etc. Why would you want to introduce all the extra points of failure?
So you've basically introduced another potential layer of failure?
I think you'd be better off setting up a private network (to relieve potential bandwidth issues) and backup straight to tape.
So post the correct information already.
I'm sure you'll be notified if you sign up at www.emarketersamerica.org. :)
Nah, I prefer those black and yellow cans that just say 'BEER' on them.
*shudder*
Ok, maybe not.
Yeah, but then it didn't ever come from Bob, and she just looks like a petty liar.
I disagree, but only at work. If a VP sends something to his direct reports, who then forwards it to their managers (adding their own spin to enhance the message a tailor it to their staffs) and eventually it gets to me. And then I forward it on to the people actually involved with the project. If I just make my own message, it loses the sense that one of the 'gorillas from the mist' has spoken about their project.
If I'm using minutes in my plan and I don't go over, then I'm never 'saving' money by spending a dime to send a text message.
Mod parent up "Funny", please
"it might get you a bit how under the collar"
Try typing with BOTH hands.
You've obviously never played 'LeisureSuit Larry' then.
"...even my boyfriend, who has one of those LG phones that you get for free with Verizon, gets jealous of me surfing around the Internet, playing games, and chatting when we're waiting in line for something."
Shouldn't you be paying attention to each other, instead of 'chatting', etc.? I mean, talk about a breakup waiting to happen.
As long as you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
Having been in sales, I can assure you that commissioned sales people can earn a very good living, provided they know what the hell they're talking about.
I got out of sales because the market was dropping, and I needed a job with 'steady earnings' in order to buy a house. I still part-time it on the side when I can, and can sometimes double my paycheck by working only weekends.
And no, I'm not talking about telemarketing, outside sales, or any other nefarious profession.
Tried this...and it interferred with my portable phones. Had to send it back.
Nice. So now they think that you're spamming them. Maybe they'll get you in the next round of lawsuits.