(a) he causes a computer to perform any function with intent to secure access to any program or data held in any computer;
(b) the access he intends to secure is unauthorised; and
(c) he knows at the time when he causes the computer to perform the function that that is the case.
All of which you are doing, forget the house analogies, this is a technical issue with laws applying directly to it.
The fact that they did not secure their wireless hub is not really the same as an invitation to join their network and you would be hard pressed to convince a judge it is. I'm not telling you not to do it, just don't do it under the assumption you will be free from prosection.
I didn't say they couldn't have any of those things, simply that they cannot demand them. Just like I cannot buy microsoft office then call them up and demand that they make it load OpenOffice format files.
What they can do is ask for them.
Most OSS projects would implement the idea if it was realistic and useful.
If OSS will not earn the right to be in the public sector, then we should demand that all the lobbying done by OSS people to immediately stop.
It earns the right to be used by being the best not by being forced on everyone by constant adverts . Are you suggesting that because OSS does not spend $3billion on advertising every month it should not be allowed to exist?
Would you rather have your tax money spent, and your government/countries data managed by a system chosen by how much money was spent on advertising it or by it being the best/most secure/most reliable?
Personally I agree 100%, my belief has always been to use the best tool for the job.
If they have to spend more to bring Open Office up to their requirements than to license MS Office there is only one logical choice.
Again you're missing the point of using OSS. Yes they would have spent initially more money, but then all the upgrades/bugfixes/patches/securityfixes are free. They won't have to pay another 5k for office 200(current_year+1). They can be sure that they can integrate their data with ANY OTHER OPEN APPLICATION in the future. They won't be locked into proprietry vendor who then has them and all their data by the balls.
If it was as simple as the initial expense, I would agree, but business software is more than the initial expense, you have to look at it in terms of its entire lifetime and what the costs will be over this lifetime.
This company saves loads by adopting open source, so did my previous company. Sure we had to spend a little time and effort to investigate but we, the business were the ones who profited from it, and we profited over our rivals.
What exactly do you expect to happen, perhaps something like this:
Business Guy: I'd love to if you just has [feature] which MS has and makes my life a lot easier.
OSS Community: oh yes, no problem, we just spent the last 6 months working in our free time to make this software, let me just take a few days off work to do that for you.
You are missing the entire point of OSS. If enough people wanted that feature then it would already be there. If just that company wants that feature then they can hire a coder to add it. They don't have some mystical right to demand features/upgrades just beacuse the software is open. What if they want a feature that ms office doesnt have?
We didn't really switch to OO, it came down to everyone needing some office software and the options being to spend about 5000$ on ms office for everyone or 0$ on openoffice.
We are not a huge company (20 people in 2 depts) so we're not really an OO posterchild:)
What we are however is a realistic example of IT companies trying to work in a dwindling economy (Germany) with the IT market being pretty messed up anyway. For someone in our position to spend the equivilant of an extra staff member or two on software which does not help our core business would be suicidal.
Support = zero. The only times I ever had to do anything was one bug in file-saving (random bug, didnt happen again) and fixing the font sizes in redhat which is hardly the fault of OO. We don't have an office full of drones cranking out vbs infected spreadsheets. We do have a printing department but they wouldn't use an office package anyway as they need more accuracy. For "normal" office use OpenOffice is perfect for us.
I think it depends where you are. In the UK nobody has heard of linux except the real hardcore geeks. Even most of the IT "specialists" have no real clue even what it is or how it can help them (or how it could save their customers money).
In Germany everyone has heard of it. Probably something to do with their own government giving it a great advertisement by choosing to use it in a large amount of places.
Perhaps this is what the above poster is getting at. You don't need to advertise linux because its quality will sell it alone. You do need to get the foot in the door somehow, but I'd say its already there.
But this cannot override the law of the land where the product is sold.
Its the same as if I wore a sign saying "by reading this sign you agree to let me kill you" then went around shooting people and expected not to get prosecuted for murder.
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It helps you do exactly what you asked.
I'm tired of having to create a new object just to call one of it's methods
Then use object::method.
If you want to use this to call an un-instanced classes method from within an object then use:
object1->object2::method();
Although this wasn't what you origonally asked, and this is all clearly explained on the OO sections of the manual.
Come on people rtfm its not just there for eye candy.
Nothing throws a code 500 to the webserver, all they do is crash:)
That error is generated by the webserver when a cgi process either dies or fails to return a valid set of headers.
PHP is able to keep going through a large amount of errors and still render the rest of the page intact, which is imo the correct way to go since it is perfectly possible for the programmer to use the header() commands to create an errormsg 500 response if needed.
Too bad that PHP doesn't come with easily accessable documentation like most other languages on a Unix system.
Yea like the regexp manpages or sed/awk. What other languages exactly? The manual is online in 25 different languages, with local mirrors in most countries, browsable online or downloadable in about 8 different formats and searchable in the internets #1 search engine. How could it possibly be more accessible?
Typing 'log errors' into the 'online documentation' search directs me to a google search of the entire site that does not produce the page you're refering to.
If you type "log errors" into the search engine without selecting any options then the error_log page is the first one you get and the second is the page explaining the entire error handling/logging functionality. Perhaps google is doing something strange due to your location/IP address?
My biggest complaint about PHP is the joke that they pass as "error handling". Yeah great, thanks for exposing all my path names to the outside world if something goes wrong.
Psychic abilities will be added to PHP as of version 6.6.6. From here on you will be able to simply think of the configuration you want and it will be set in php.ini. No longer will you have to read the extremely comprehensive online docs including the manual and especially not the ENTIRE SECTION dedicated to error reporting and logging that tells you extremely clearly how to do what you have just complained is impossible. You would not need to read that page and find the two links within the 1st side that show very clearly information on the display errors, error_log for custom logs and of course log errors to put the errors in the apache logfile.
Your biggest complaint is that you are too lazy to read the manual and you expect everything to be done for you. No programming language can help you with this.
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Then you're either not paying attention or you're not using any of the features of PHP.
For instance between 4.3.1 and 4.3.2 the way you refer to associative arrays has changed so that:
$array['key'] is now wrong and gives an error. and $array["key"] is now right.
Since even the php manual cannot keep up with these changes it becomes a bit of problem as with each upgrade you never know if the new error messages are bugs or features:)
You can't really expect them to hire experts to analyse every request
That is the entire point of having Patent Offices in the first place. If they're not gonna bother analysing every suggestion then we should do away with them completely and just use an automated submission system and let the courts decide the legality of any patent. If they don't have the time or people to analyse a request thouroughly then shouldn't it be by default denied rather than granted? Especially since the situation you describe in the courts is the same the world over (big companies are basically un-touchable)
As for companies sueing when their patent is denied....well if you have a clear and sensible patent system in the first place they should never be in that situation.
Patent offices in other countries manage to work fine without all these ridiculous patents coming out. I'm not saying they're perfect but it does seem to be mainly the USPTO causing controversy..
The major part of Novell administration is done through their own interface/client anyway so choice of OS for the Netware server isn't going to affect the day-to-day running in the terms you are thinking. About the only noticable change would be any performance difference and reliability difference....everything will still work the same (well should do).
NFS/NIS/LPD are not really rivals to Netware, about the only similarity is that they are services. Netware is more of a total network solution whereas the services you mention are smaller seperate parts of this...that are not drawn together in any central interface (unless you consider webmin a rival to nwadmin...in which case go see a doc). Netware is designed for setting up these kind of services but shared between thousands of people, while this is possible with NFS/NIS/LPD it requires a much higher skill level and lots more time.
I'd say the main target of this is people who already use netware, making it run on linux isn't really going to convert anyone as the choice of netware tends to be decided by the structure of the network it will be used on rather than the admins personal preferred OS.
Suse does however provide Bootable CD demo's, called liveeval, which basically gives you everything but doesnt install it, similar to the knoppix CD's but slower to boot. Get it here.
They also provide an ftp installer CD that you can use to build a complete Suse system that seems to be identical to the purchased desktop version.
To find these involved going to www.suse.com, clicking on "downloads". I'm sure the kids can handle this fine.
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I'm not really a believer persay, more just interested skeptic.
You wouldn't see the technology because it would pay those people to keep it to themselves and their "elite". It would keep them in power, or extend their power, which would in turn lead to far more money than they would ever see from just selling this technology to any company (or selling their story to any newspaper). Also consider if such a group did exist that they would take extreme steps to prevent publicity leaks and if you were talking about a group of this power it would be easy for them to keep a small amount of technology hidden.
Its a fairly general all round proofless conspiracy though. I'm not saying it is this way, just it could be.
It integrates far too much in a templating engine.
Of course thats just my opinion.......namely that to load one or more html template/s and perform simple pattern replacing on it should NOT require loading a 2500+ line.php file.
Whats the point of seperating the presentation logic from the main functions if you end up with a presentation layer that is 3x the size of the main program and contains twice as many functions. You lose all the benefits of templating in the first place. Especially when u have to load up a honking great class everytime to use it. As for smarty using basic presentation logic, whats the PHP doing then, just loading smarty?
I appreciate smarty has nice functions but most of them are for coders not designers, and coders don't tend to be the ones building the templates..
Being a brit I spend a lot of time on fruit machines, ever since I was young. I, and most ppl I've seen who play fruities, can usually tell how rigged a machine is fairly quickly, or how low the % payout is set.
Basically only play machines with digital features, ignore the old ones , I stick with the ones with numbers on the fruits that run up a scale, when you hit either 4 or the top number you get into the features, and can usually find one simple bonus feature that just requires constant button-bashing to get the jackpot, or some other very basic task (compared to most PC games anyway...) . You might get lucky with one of those huge jackpot ones, I actually know one german guy who did, but in general I'd avoid them except for "one-off" goes for fun.
Start with putting enough cash for 4-8 goes, if you don't get any features crop up then forget about it, find another machine or leave it for another day.
The way to win (imo) is to catch the machines after they have been filled up but not paid out too much, preferably by someone too drunk to win any of the features. I worked in a pub for 6 months and it was ideal for this, you could watch the machines from the bar and go over after to make yourself a nice bonus.
If your include files are just classes or functions, then the user will just get a blank page. No output will be shown because no functions are called.
If they're not just classes or functions then...er...they're wepages and you want them to render:)
kinda like a reference to your database object, or any other object inheriting from it. Then to call $this->db->query(). You could possibly even just include() the db class and db::query() from your object as php will use the same mysql connection as the poster above mentioned.
you have to use global variables
Not always, thats just one way. Each update to PHP brings changes such as tighter variable types and enforcing the syntax more, imo its maturing into a nice language and PHP 5 should be interesting.
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All of which you are doing, forget the house analogies, this is a technical issue with laws applying directly to it.
The fact that they did not secure their wireless hub is not really the same as an invitation to join their network and you would be hard pressed to convince a judge it is. I'm not telling you not to do it, just don't do it under the assumption you will be free from prosection.
I didn't say they couldn't have any of those things, simply that they cannot demand them. Just like I cannot buy microsoft office then call them up and demand that they make it load OpenOffice format files.
What they can do is ask for them.
Most OSS projects would implement the idea if it was realistic and useful.
If OSS will not earn the right to be in the public sector, then we should demand that all the lobbying done by OSS people to immediately stop.
It earns the right to be used by being the best not by being forced on everyone by constant adverts . Are you suggesting that because OSS does not spend $3billion on advertising every month it should not be allowed to exist?
Would you rather have your tax money spent, and your government/countries data managed by a system chosen by how much money was spent on advertising it or by it being the best/most secure/most reliable?
Other than the fact that by your action you are gaining unauthorised access to someone elses computer system/network.
The technicalities of how you did it doesn't make much difference, the fact you have access that you are not allowed is enough, under UK law anyway.
tattoo time.
Personally I agree 100%, my belief has always been to use the best tool for the job.
If they have to spend more to bring Open Office up to their requirements than to license MS Office there is only one logical choice.
Again you're missing the point of using OSS. Yes they would have spent initially more money, but then all the upgrades/bugfixes/patches/securityfixes are free. They won't have to pay another 5k for office 200(current_year+1). They can be sure that they can integrate their data with ANY OTHER OPEN APPLICATION in the future. They won't be locked into proprietry vendor who then has them and all their data by the balls.
If it was as simple as the initial expense, I would agree, but business software is more than the initial expense, you have to look at it in terms of its entire lifetime and what the costs will be over this lifetime.
This company saves loads by adopting open source, so did my previous company. Sure we had to spend a little time and effort to investigate but we, the business were the ones who profited from it, and we profited over our rivals.
What exactly do you expect to happen, perhaps something like this:
Business Guy: I'd love to if you just has [feature] which MS has and makes my life a lot easier.
OSS Community: oh yes, no problem, we just spent the last 6 months working in our free time to make this software, let me just take a few days off work to do that for you.
You are missing the entire point of OSS. If enough people wanted that feature then it would already be there. If just that company wants that feature then they can hire a coder to add it. They don't have some mystical right to demand features/upgrades just beacuse the software is open. What if they want a feature that ms office doesnt have?
We didn't really switch to OO, it came down to everyone needing some office software and the options being to spend about 5000$ on ms office for everyone or 0$ on openoffice.
:)
We are not a huge company (20 people in 2 depts) so we're not really an OO posterchild
What we are however is a realistic example of IT companies trying to work in a dwindling economy (Germany) with the IT market being pretty messed up anyway. For someone in our position to spend the equivilant of an extra staff member or two on software which does not help our core business would be suicidal.
Support = zero. The only times I ever had to do anything was one bug in file-saving (random bug, didnt happen again) and fixing the font sizes in redhat which is hardly the fault of OO. We don't have an office full of drones cranking out vbs infected spreadsheets. We do have a printing department but they wouldn't use an office package anyway as they need more accuracy. For "normal" office use OpenOffice is perfect for us.
I think it depends where you are. In the UK nobody has heard of linux except the real hardcore geeks. Even most of the IT "specialists" have no real clue even what it is or how it can help them (or how it could save their customers money).
In Germany everyone has heard of it. Probably something to do with their own government giving it a great advertisement by choosing to use it in a large amount of places.
Perhaps this is what the above poster is getting at. You don't need to advertise linux because its quality will sell it alone. You do need to get the foot in the door somehow, but I'd say its already there.
But this cannot override the law of the land where the product is sold.
Its the same as if I wore a sign saying "by reading this sign you agree to let me kill you" then went around shooting people and expected not to get prosecuted for murder.
It helps you do exactly what you asked.
I'm tired of having to create a new object just to call one of it's methods
Then use object::method.
If you want to use this to call an un-instanced classes method from within an object then use:
object1->object2::method();
Although this wasn't what you origonally asked, and this is all clearly explained on the OO sections of the manual.
Come on people rtfm its not just there for eye candy.
Nothing throws a code 500 to the webserver, all they do is crash :)
That error is generated by the webserver when a cgi process either dies or fails to return a valid set of headers.
PHP is able to keep going through a large amount of errors and still render the rest of the page intact, which is imo the correct way to go since it is perfectly possible for the programmer to use the header() commands to create an errormsg 500 response if needed.
Too bad that PHP doesn't come with easily accessable documentation like most other languages on a Unix system.
Yea like the regexp manpages or sed/awk. What other languages exactly? The manual is online in 25 different languages, with local mirrors in most countries, browsable online or downloadable in about 8 different formats and searchable in the internets #1 search engine. How could it possibly be more accessible?
Typing 'log errors' into the 'online documentation' search directs me to a google search of the entire site that does not produce the page you're refering to.
If you type "log errors" into the search engine without selecting any options then the error_log page is the first one you get and the second is the page explaining the entire error handling/logging functionality. Perhaps google is doing something strange due to your location/IP address?
You can easily emulate this exact function using register_shutdown_function('&$this','function' ) and have been able to for ages.
My biggest complaint about PHP is the joke that they pass as "error handling". Yeah great, thanks for exposing all my path names to the outside world if something goes wrong.
Psychic abilities will be added to PHP as of version 6.6.6. From here on you will be able to simply think of the configuration you want and it will be set in php.ini. No longer will you have to read the extremely comprehensive online docs including the manual and especially not the ENTIRE SECTION dedicated to error reporting and logging that tells you extremely clearly how to do what you have just complained is impossible. You would not need to read that page and find the two links within the 1st side that show very clearly information on the display errors, error_log for custom logs and of course log errors to put the errors in the apache logfile.
Your biggest complaint is that you are too lazy to read the manual and you expect everything to be done for you. No programming language can help you with this.
You don't have to do that in the existing php.
" );
Just call the method like this:
require_once("class.php");
class::method("arg1
instead of class->method("arg1").
For instance between 4.3.1 and 4.3.2 the way you refer to associative arrays has changed so that:
Since even the php manual cannot keep up with these changes it becomes a bit of problem as with each upgrade you never know if the new error messages are bugs or features
you are just making excuses.
You can't really expect them to hire experts to analyse every request
That is the entire point of having Patent Offices in the first place. If they're not gonna bother analysing every suggestion then we should do away with them completely and just use an automated submission system and let the courts decide the legality of any patent. If they don't have the time or people to analyse a request thouroughly then shouldn't it be by default denied rather than granted? Especially since the situation you describe in the courts is the same the world over (big companies are basically un-touchable)
As for companies sueing when their patent is denied....well if you have a clear and sensible patent system in the first place they should never be in that situation.
Patent offices in other countries manage to work fine without all these ridiculous patents coming out. I'm not saying they're perfect but it does seem to be mainly the USPTO causing controversy..
Banning them is not enough.
:)
Blocking them is not enough.
Post their IP addresses and let all of us gently show them the error of their ways
The major part of Novell administration is done through their own interface/client anyway so choice of OS for the Netware server isn't going to affect the day-to-day running in the terms you are thinking. About the only noticable change would be any performance difference and reliability difference....everything will still work the same (well should do).
NFS/NIS/LPD are not really rivals to Netware, about the only similarity is that they are services. Netware is more of a total network solution whereas the services you mention are smaller seperate parts of this...that are not drawn together in any central interface (unless you consider webmin a rival to nwadmin...in which case go see a doc). Netware is designed for setting up these kind of services but shared between thousands of people, while this is possible with NFS/NIS/LPD it requires a much higher skill level and lots more time.
I'd say the main target of this is people who already use netware, making it run on linux isn't really going to convert anyone as the choice of netware tends to be decided by the structure of the network it will be used on rather than the admins personal preferred OS.
....at the same cost...whats your point?
Suse does however provide Bootable CD demo's, called liveeval, which basically gives you everything but doesnt install it, similar to the knoppix CD's but slower to boot. Get it here.
They also provide an ftp installer CD that you can use to build a complete Suse system that seems to be identical to the purchased desktop version.
To find these involved going to www.suse.com, clicking on "downloads". I'm sure the kids can handle this fine.
I'm not really a believer persay, more just interested skeptic.
You wouldn't see the technology because it would pay those people to keep it to themselves and their "elite". It would keep them in power, or extend their power, which would in turn lead to far more money than they would ever see from just selling this technology to any company (or selling their story to any newspaper). Also consider if such a group did exist that they would take extreme steps to prevent publicity leaks and if you were talking about a group of this power it would be easy for them to keep a small amount of technology hidden.
Its a fairly general all round proofless conspiracy though. I'm not saying it is this way, just it could be.
You forgot halliburton.
/me slaps cheney around a bit with a large <VirtualHost> directive.
They obviously need a class A to run their 200 or so websites.
Smarty takes it far too far.
.php file.
It integrates far too much in a templating engine.
Of course thats just my opinion.......namely that to load one or more html template/s and perform simple pattern replacing on it should NOT require loading a 2500+ line
Whats the point of seperating the presentation logic from the main functions if you end up with a presentation layer that is 3x the size of the main program and contains twice as many functions. You lose all the benefits of templating in the first place. Especially when u have to load up a honking great class everytime to use it. As for smarty using basic presentation logic, whats the PHP doing then, just loading smarty?
I appreciate smarty has nice functions but most of them are for coders not designers, and coders don't tend to be the ones building the templates..
Yea I'd always thought everyone knew this.
Being a brit I spend a lot of time on fruit machines, ever since I was young. I, and most ppl I've seen who play fruities, can usually tell how rigged a machine is fairly quickly, or how low the % payout is set.
Basically only play machines with digital features, ignore the old ones , I stick with the ones with numbers on the fruits that run up a scale, when you hit either 4 or the top number you get into the features, and can usually find one simple bonus feature that just requires constant button-bashing to get the jackpot, or some other very basic task (compared to most PC games anyway...) . You might get lucky with one of those huge jackpot ones, I actually know one german guy who did, but in general I'd avoid them except for "one-off" goes for fun.
Start with putting enough cash for 4-8 goes, if you don't get any features crop up then forget about it, find another machine or leave it for another day.
The way to win (imo) is to catch the machines after they have been filled up but not paid out too much, preferably by someone too drunk to win any of the features. I worked in a pub for 6 months and it was ideal for this, you could watch the machines from the bar and go over after to make yourself a nice bonus.
is there any point?
:)
If your include files are just classes or functions, then the user will just get a blank page. No output will be shown because no functions are called.
If they're not just classes or functions then...er...they're wepages and you want them to render
in a real OO language is to use a class attribute
:)
kinda like a reference to your database object, or any other object inheriting from it. Then to call $this->db->query(). You could possibly even just include() the db class and db::query() from your object as php will use the same mysql connection as the poster above mentioned.
you have to use global variables
Not always, thats just one way. Each update to PHP brings changes such as tighter variable types and enforcing the syntax more, imo its maturing into a nice language and PHP 5 should be interesting.
For websites that is...