err..terrifyingly, I just interviews for a system admin at a manufacturing and development plant. Without being stupidly specific (unless you don't care) can you tell me at least maybe.. what state this was in, so I don't make the same mistake?
Agreed. I've taken alot of the classes that lead to many certs, since my company would pay for them, but would not pay for certs. I chose NOT to get certs, mainly due to cost, and, I really felt like it was useless to me (couple that with test anxiety and flashbacks to highschool and college nightmares) - I was in the job market for the last month or 2, and I found that many places would not even look at resumes without certs - that of course is because usually the first people that look at the resume are not the IT hiring folks, it's HR, which just weed out the smart people, or so it would seem. I got around this by listing my classes under a heading that said
"MCSE Classes"
and
"CCNE Classes"
It worked, the IT manager would get my resume, and he would realize the truth of the matter.
I still do want to get the certs though, since there are some nice State jobs that I'm interested in that won't even consider someone without certs - even a 2 week migration project that I considered doing while I was unemployed - They just wanted someone to move 10 servers from older hardware to newer hardware. And they wanted someone MCSE to do it. Hell, I've got just pc-user friends that could have done that job.
Remember too, they are talking desktops, not servers. My previous position, I had 3 guys supporting 400 desktops and about 200 servers, that in addition to admin voice over IP and 3 locations. ugh. Kinda takes the sting out of my had being laid off. My new job I have no desktops to contend with and only about 50 servers.. for more money.;-)
Whats the point though? The great part about voip is that you can get area codes that masquerade as normal telephones, even if it's not where you live. For example, I moved from then 203 part of Connecticut to the 860 part, and I kept my 203 number for awhile to allow my family to call me as a local call. I eventually switched to an 860 number to allow my neighbors to call me as a local call instead. I could have easily kept both if it would be worth the extra money. If you had some special number, it would likely be a toll call for EVERYONE to call you.
Bottom line, if you want to download stuff illegaly, do it carefully and non-mainstream. One of these days there will be a sensable way to purchase music that you can burn to cd or otherwise do what you like for a fair price. Until that day comes, don't be a moron about it.
Agreed. I don't feel at all sorry for you if your outsourcing went wrong. Had you hired someone local to finish your script, you wouldn't be having this problem.
While this is quite a cool idea, what we really need is an audio search, where as someone could whistle or hum a few bars of that tune that is stuck in their head, and the search results could tell you what it is, where to buy or download it, the lyrics, etc.
I'm seeing jobs like this in my job search as well here in the US. A great example was one that was a Security Admin requiring a long list of skills, Cisco and Microsoft certs, and paying $12/hour. Yea, 12 bucks an hour. I could likely get that working in Fast Food. Another was a Linux admin, in a "rich" part of my state, where you average WINDOWS admin makes about 70-80k, and they wanted an expereinced Linux admin for 30,000/yr.
I think the real problem though, is SOMEONE is going to take that job and these companies are going to get away with this crap.
uhuh. And this will likely be available only in the largest metro areas first, then 5 years later in the suburbs of said metro area.. so I'm looking at a good 15 years till this gets out to the woods where I live. Oh well, I guess I should just be happy that I have cable modem available.
I can't disagree with you. In the long term. However, in the short term, in order to avoid all the stickiness of these lawsuits and possible criminal action, it seems it would be best to be stealthy about it.
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1)In Korea, only old people use robotic alarm clocks
2)In Soviet Russia, You run away from alarm clock.
3) ??
4) Profit!
should have been KARA-JOK-EY
err..terrifyingly, I just interviews for a system admin at a manufacturing and development plant. Without being stupidly specific (unless you don't care) can you tell me at least maybe.. what state this was in, so I don't make the same mistake?
thanks
Agreed. I've taken alot of the classes that lead to many certs, since my company would pay for them, but would not pay for certs. I chose NOT to get certs, mainly due to cost, and, I really felt like it was useless to me (couple that with test anxiety and flashbacks to highschool and college nightmares) - I was in the job market for the last month or 2, and I found that many places would not even look at resumes without certs - that of course is because usually the first people that look at the resume are not the IT hiring folks, it's HR, which just weed out the smart people, or so it would seem. I got around this by listing my classes under a heading that said
"MCSE Classes"
and
"CCNE Classes"
It worked, the IT manager would get my resume, and he would realize the truth of the matter.
I still do want to get the certs though, since there are some nice State jobs that I'm interested in that won't even consider someone without certs - even a 2 week migration project that I considered doing while I was unemployed - They just wanted someone to move 10 servers from older hardware to newer hardware. And they wanted someone MCSE to do it. Hell, I've got just pc-user friends that could have done that job.
Remember too, they are talking desktops, not servers. My previous position, I had 3 guys supporting 400 desktops and about 200 servers, that in addition to admin voice over IP and 3 locations. ugh. Kinda takes the sting out of my had being laid off. My new job I have no desktops to contend with and only about 50 servers.. for more money. ;-)
Ha, 40:1 ratio for desktop support personell for windows? Tell that to alot of IT managers, in particular, my former employer. Try 200:1
Birds of a feather, flock together.
I'm having this same damn argument with my mother in law about AOL vs a local dial-up service provider. UGH.
At my company, we needed to save money, So, my co-workers and I got laid off. Seemed to work. Sigh.
Looking at the site of the company I use, it does not seem that you need to be in the US to set it up. www.packet8.net
Contact me via email (as seen above) if you want a free month.
Whats the point though? The great part about voip is that you can get area codes that masquerade as normal telephones, even if it's not where you live. For example, I moved from then 203 part of Connecticut to the 860 part, and I kept my 203 number for awhile to allow my family to call me as a local call. I eventually switched to an 860 number to allow my neighbors to call me as a local call instead. I could have easily kept both if it would be worth the extra money. If you had some special number, it would likely be a toll call for EVERYONE to call you.
You can already do that. Sign up for a voip line, and choose a number from almost any US area code. Set it up anywhere.
Bottom line, if you want to download stuff illegaly, do it carefully and non-mainstream. One of these days there will be a sensable way to purchase music that you can burn to cd or otherwise do what you like for a fair price. Until that day comes, don't be a moron about it.
Well, don't be a moron then either.
yea, cuz yum install package is tough.
or apt-get
I actually thing using one of those is EASIER then installing software on windows. much easier. and muc h more free.
Anyone else get a completely different meaning out of that then they intended?
Damn. I was just looking up the quote to make sure I had it right, have it in my clipboard and everything.
oh well.
Yea, but how much will the ink cartridges cost? Will I be getting spam for refill kits?
Agreed. I don't feel at all sorry for you if your outsourcing went wrong. Had you hired someone local to finish your script, you wouldn't be having this problem.
If they retired carnivore, it's likely only because now they have something "better".. or "worse" depending on how you look at it.
While this is quite a cool idea, what we really need is an audio search, where as someone could whistle or hum a few bars of that tune that is stuck in their head, and the search results could tell you what it is, where to buy or download it, the lyrics, etc.
I'm seeing jobs like this in my job search as well here in the US. A great example was one that was a Security Admin requiring a long list of skills, Cisco and Microsoft certs, and paying $12/hour. Yea, 12 bucks an hour. I could likely get that working in Fast Food. Another was a Linux admin, in a "rich" part of my state, where you average WINDOWS admin makes about 70-80k, and they wanted an expereinced Linux admin for 30,000/yr.
I think the real problem though, is SOMEONE is going to take that job and these companies are going to get away with this crap.
uhuh. And this will likely be available only in the largest metro areas first, then 5 years later in the suburbs of said metro area.. so I'm looking at a good 15 years till this gets out to the woods where I live. Oh well, I guess I should just be happy that I have cable modem available.
http://www.mozilla.org
Evidently it's about 12.
I can't disagree with you. In the long term. However, in the short term, in order to avoid all the stickiness of these lawsuits and possible criminal action, it seems it would be best to be stealthy about it.