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Monkeys Pay for Monkey Porn

An anonymous reader writes "Give a monkey some spending money, and he'll blow it on pictures of women monkeys. He'll also pay to see dominant monkeys. But you'll have to pay him to look at inferior monkeys. That's the upshot of a study out of Duke that was designed to explore the 'social machinery of the brain with an eye toward helping autism patients.' Next up -- seriously -- the researchers want to run the same test on Joe Sixpack (sans the monkey business)."

391 comments

  1. Do they - ? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


    Do they spank the monkey as part of the experiment?

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    1. Re:Do they - ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Not in soviet russia.

    2. Re:Do they - ? by Fleeced · · Score: 1, Funny

      If a million monkeys at a million internet terminals downloaded porn... we'd have a very sticky situation on our hands!

    3. Re:Do they - ? by Randy+Wang · · Score: 1

      Monkey see, monkey...

      Egads, there's millions of them! O_O

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    4. Re:Do they - ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My question is, how much would I have to pay to look at monkey porn? And is there a link?

    5. Re:Do they - ? by Bazman · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think they call it 'Spanking the human'....

    6. Re:Do they - ? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think you just invented monkkake.

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    7. Re:Do they - ? by Ghoser777 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I always thought they would spank the human, to be honest.

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      James Tiberius Kirk: "Spock, the women on your planet are logical. No other planet in the galaxy can make that claim."
    8. Re:Do they - ? by igny · · Score: 1

      They should have studied all the priorities in the monkey world, that is, fear (of pain?), hunger, desire for reproduction, and finally entertainment.

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      In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. - Yogi Berra
    9. Re:Do they - ? by plover · · Score: 4, Funny
      If a million monkeys at a million internet terminals downloaded porn...

      And how is this different from the internet today?

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      John
    10. Re:Do they - ? by bhsx · · Score: 2, Funny

      I love that someone modded this insightful. That's /. on the weekend! :)

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    11. Re:Do they - ? by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > I think they call it 'Spanking the human'....

      The last time I looked for "spanking the human", I ended up spanking the monkey. Turnabout's fair play, I guess.

      (There's a perpetual motion machine joke in here somewhere, but it probably involves goats.)

    12. Re:Do they - ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny doesn't earn karma for the poster. Insightul does. Many people mod funny posts as insightful because of this.

    13. Re:Do they - ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this demonstrates a more evolved consciousness on the part of the monkeys. we are more alike than we think. and therefore, remember that there are research labs out there still performing cruel experiments on monkeys and mistreating them. stop torturing and abusing the poor creatures. respect life...

    14. Re:Do they - ? by TheCyko1 · · Score: 1

      That only goes for the mokeys in Soviet Russia.

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    15. Re:Do they - ? by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      IN KOREA, only old people spank the monkey!

    16. Re:Do they - ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And many other people meta-mod non-insightful posts modded insightful as unfair. Stick with the proper mod, or get bitch-slapped.

    17. Re:Do they - ? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Sooooo, Joe Sixpack will pay money to see pictures of female monkeys? Is this a GREAT country or WHAT!?

  2. So... by jtbauki · · Score: 5, Funny

    ....the next time you get caught looking at porn, you can point to this article and say, "Hey it's not me, it's evolution, baby."

    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yes but that will only prove that your either a monkey or a sub-par human.

    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Picture from the experiment.

      Another one.

    3. Re: So... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny


      > Where can I download this monkey porn?

      alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.milf

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    4. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "it's evolution, baby."

      Should it worry me that after reading this phrase I went straight to my mp3 folder to see if I had Pearl Jam's "Do the Evolution"?

    5. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't the parent be anonymous?

    6. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

    7. Re:So... by Temporal · · Score: 1
    8. Re:So... by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's like 12.95 a month subscription. I tried.

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    9. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Give a monkey some spending money, and he'll blow it on pictures of women monkeys.

      There really is a market for everything.

    10. Re:So... by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1
    11. Re:So... by tomjen · · Score: 1

      From second picture:
      "Remote linking is stealling"
      - no idiot it is not even copyright infrigment

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    12. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So do the evolution

      (wondering if anyone caught that reference)

    13. Re:So... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Where can I download this monkey porn?

      Balmer fetish, eh?

    14. Re:So... by MrBallistic · · Score: 1

      or, if you have a religious whacko for a boss, you can cite 'intelligent design' for your pr0nlust.

    15. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read his caption, he's referring to bandwidth. I like his attitude. "I don't mind if more people look at my stuff for free as long as I don't have to pay for it."

      however this is horribly OT so I'm posting AC

    16. Re:So... by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      Here's a fixed link for the second link.

      Stupid webmaster, can't even protect the site from eyeballs! Muahaha.

      PS He just wants the referer to be from his domain...

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    17. Re:So... by sunhou · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where can I download this monkey porn?

      You jest, but... I have a web page which has some information a bit related to monkeys. Many people find that page when they do a search for "monkey pictures", which I've noticed when skimming through my web logs.

      One day quite some time ago, I came across someone who had found my web page by searching for "monkey pictures" but who had also added a "-sex" to avoid pages mentioning sex. Ever since then, I've wondered what they had come across earlier when searching for monkey pictures which made them feel they needed to add a "no sex" option to their search...

    18. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Here's one pic



      Thanks, very nice, especially the next two: grip5.jpg and grip6.jpg.


    19. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      milf = monkey i'd like to fuck?

    20. Re:So... by FuzzyDicePHL · · Score: 1

      This plan won't work if the person who catches you is a religious fundamentalist.

  3. Oooh ooh Aaah Aaah! Oooh ooh aaah aaah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Grunt, grunt, grunt ...Screeeeeeeeeeech!

  4. Step 2 found? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step 1 - get monkeys.

    Step 3 - Profit!!

  5. So... by mattiwatti · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where can I download this monkey porn?

  6. err... by Heem · · Score: 5, Funny
    FTA:
    The rhesus macaque monkeys also splurged on photos of top-dog counterparts


    Anyone else get a completely different meaning out of that then they intended?

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    1. Re:err... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      You mean they are into bestiality?

    2. Re:err... by Alien+Being · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's what they call "the monkey shot".

    3. Re:err... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe those monkeys are homosexual?

      Seriously!

    4. Re:err... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      The rhesus macaque monkeys...

      Weren't these the ones with HIV immunity?

  7. Missing Option: by raehl · · Score: 4, Funny

    Crack.

    Oh, wait, this wasn't a poll?

    1. Re:Missing Option: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to be a monkey r0n researcher when I grow up!

    2. Re:Missing Option: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. There are many things you can get monkeys to do (in the name of science).

  8. No boozers? by themast · · Score: 3, Funny

    What, no 'fermented banana juice' to go with that fresh monkey pr0n?

  9. Hahaha dumb monkeys by wileycoyoteacme · · Score: 5, Funny

    i stopped paying for porn the day i discovered a web browser!

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    1. Re:Hahaha dumb monkeys by kaleco · · Score: 2, Funny
      When your first browser is Lynx, it takes a little while to get used to ascii porn though.

      I got too used to it and now I prefer it.

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    2. Re:Hahaha dumb monkeys by Taladar · · Score: 2, Funny

      So when you have Sex in RL (or look at hot girls in public as a typical /.er) do you wear a camera helmet that displays your surroundings in Ascii Art?

    3. Re:Hahaha dumb monkeys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You're so next buddy!

    4. Re:Hahaha dumb monkeys by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      i stopped paying for porn the day i discovered a web browser!


      Sucker! Before the web, we could still get 'em off usenet, re-assemble them, and then uudecode 'em.

      Or, so they tell me. ;-)

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    5. Re:Hahaha dumb monkeys by todu · · Score: 1

      Actually, mplayer has an option to redirect its output to an "ascii art graphics engine". If you change your font to a really small one you will get some really interresting pron. I once watched a whole Star Trek episode in ascii mode. IIRC the option was "mplayer rms_does_folkdance.mpg -vo aa".

      If you use GNU/Debian you could try the engine very easily by doing this:

      # apt-get install bb
      # bb

  10. Whoa, I'll do ya, but first wear this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Next up -- seriously -- the researchers want to run the same test on Joe Sixpack (sans the monkey business)."

    Really?

    I thought Joe Sixpack only needs a brown bag for most anything that moves.

  11. The question is.... by raehl · · Score: 2, Funny

    What did the monkeys DO with the photos? If you could say, get Bush photos on a roll of Charmin, I'd be inclined to buy them.

    1. Re:The question is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enough people pay for E entertainment TV and the like, just to watch people more famous than them, so, no, it doesn't have to be on TP, it already happens.

  12. /.ed already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Instead of TFA, all I got was:
    height=600 src="http://z1.adserver.com/w/cp.x;rid=1;tid=5;ev= 1;dt=3;ac=57;c=56;" border=0>
  13. A is B; B is C; then A is C??? by Dark+Coder · · Score: 1

    Does this qualifies us as naturally p0rn addicts... for the rest of us, ./'ers?

    1. Re:A is B; B is C; then A is C??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No. If a creature happens to accept what is put in front of him at certain times, that is not the same as an entire society embracing the manufacture of the thing, and never choosing to step back from it.

      Not that I think porn is necessarily wrong, but we're definitely not "natural porn addicts", any more than we're "natural crack addicts".

    2. Re:A is B; B is C; then A is C??? by aurb · · Score: 1

      You've said it wrong. It's A is to B as B is to C. And that doesn't mean that A is to C the same way as it is to B. So your comment makes no sense because of false subject...

      Todays' TODO:
      Post on slashdot... done
      Download p0rn...

    3. Re:A is B; B is C; then A is C??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just what it is... a non-sensical inference.

      Thank you for pointing out the joke.

      Ad nauseum.

  14. experiment by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Give a monkey some spending money, and he'll blow it on pictures of women monkeys.

    Would there be anything wrong with this sentence: give a human some spending money and he'll blow it on pictures of female humans?

    I guess I'm objecting to the notion that being male is the norm.

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    1. Re:experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is for about half the population. Go figure :-/

    2. Re:experiment by Feztaa · · Score: 4, Funny

      I guess I'm objecting to the notion that being male is the norm.

      Don't be silly. Women only exist on the computer screen.

    3. Re:experiment by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Well maybe in relation to porn sales ;)

    4. Re:experiment by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      you obviously haven't seen magazines made for women.

      vogue etc..

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    5. Re:experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, maybe you should remove "pictures of" from your last sentence .... and substitute "human" with "male human or lesbian" :o)

    6. Re:experiment by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>Give a monkey some spending money, and he'll blow it on pictures of women monkeys.

      > Would there be anything wrong with this sentence: give a human some spending money and he'll blow it on pictures of female humans?

      >I guess I'm objecting to the notion that being male is the norm.

      Why are there way more women on magazine covers than men? Because in general, men like looking at pretty women... and woman like looking at pretty women too, albeit for reasons other than sexual attraction in most cases.

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    7. Re:experiment by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      >lucky theres not many females here! :P

      Well there is at least one, as you got modded down to -1 Troll

    8. Re:experiment by Skinny+Rav · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Why are there way more women on magazine covers than men? Because in general, men like looking at pretty women... and woman like looking at pretty women too, albeit for reasons other than sexual attraction in most cases.


      Well, women look at pretty women as at dominant females. It is the same as posters of Jordans and Beckhams and who else in male teenagers' rooms.

      But true, this is weird. While guys like to watch sportsmen and actors (dominant males) and women like to watch actors and models (for sexual reasons), magazines with female photos on the cover sell better - and AFAIK it has been proven. Men are allowed on covers only if accompanied by a woman or with a baby or, seldom, if they are really, really mega celebrities.

      Raf
    9. Re:experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > you obviously haven't seen magazines made for women... vogue etc..

      Uh, what the hell do you think we "males" wack off to until we're able to get our grubbie little hands on something a little more visually stimulating... The underware section of the Sears cataloge will do in a pinch, but your mom's/sister's cosmo (et al) is golden.

    10. Re:experiment by Hynee · · Score: 1

      >>Give a monkey some spending money, and he'll blow it on pictures of women monkeys.

      >Would there be anything wrong with this sentence: give a human some spending money and he'll blow it on pictures of female humans?

      >I guess I'm objecting to the notion that being male is the norm.

      The only thing I noticed in your humanized version was the double entendre with 'blow it'. That sort of thing always seems to happen when someone starts talking post-modern feminism. Seriously!

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    11. Re:experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can vouch for that. Our local supermarket is selling six packs of Pepsi with images of different celebrities on the cardboard packing. Given the choice, I'll pick the pack with the pretty woman first, then the plain packages, and only the pack with the guy as a last resort.

    12. Re:experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stfu feminazi, fix your brain and learn to parse context

    13. Re:experiment by i41Overlord · · Score: 1

      Well there is at least one, as you got modded down to -1 Troll

      There seems to be more men on this board that think they're women than women who know they're women.

      The women are normal, those men are just confused.

    14. Re:experiment by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 1
      Just responding to myself here. Did no one get it (except maybe for the person who mentioned women looking at women)? I'm not offended, and I'm not crying. In fact, I couldn't care less. But I thought it would be fun to see all the knee-jerk reactions.

      The write-up says: "give a monkey ... and he'll ..." You have to admit there's a logical problem there, akin to saying "give me a screwdriver, and the phillips head will..." or "cut a fruit in half and your kitchen will smell like oranges." In linguistics, the way that the category of maleness is being used here is called "unmarked." You don't have to be a raving "feminazi" to understand the logic, smart boys.

      So to those of you who fell for it and got your anti-feminist ire up so quickly, I say: YHBT. YHL. HAND.

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    15. Re:experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New to the English language, are you?

    16. Re:experiment by Valar · · Score: 1

      he/she'll...

      or maybe it'll...

      certainly not they'll because that is plural

    17. Re:experiment by wandernotlost · · Score: 1

      Well, I'd like to see the results of the follow-up study that tests whether girl monkeys will pay to see boy monkey butts. That seems like it would be much more interesting, given the results of this study.

    18. Re:experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, the refrain of the internet idiot. Make a stupid comment, get stomped on, then claim that it was just a troll. No one buys your pathetic excuse for why you were acting like an idiot.

    19. Re:experiment by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 1

      Actually, there's nothing wrong with your humanized sentence. "He" is the correct pronoun for a person of unknown gender. Sorry.

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    20. Re:experiment by Silentnite · · Score: 0

      Don't be silly. Women aren't allowed to have money! Unless they're buying things for the kitchen.... *ducks*...

    21. Re:experiment by cshamis · · Score: 1
      I guess I'm objecting to the notion that being male is the norm.

      Personally, I find the term "women monkeys" far more disturbing...

    22. Re:experiment by PCM2 · · Score: 1
      But true, this is weird. While guys like to watch sportsmen and actors (dominant males) and women like to watch actors and models (for sexual reasons), magazines with female photos on the cover sell better - and AFAIK it has been proven. Men are allowed on covers only if accompanied by a woman or with a baby or, seldom, if they are really, really mega celebrities.
      You care to give some evidence of that? True, the magazines you see at the checkout stand at the supermarket primarily have pictures of women on them, but those are -- ahem -- women's magazines. Plenty of issues of GQ, Sports Illustrated, Fortune, Newsweek, Wired, and even (yes) TV Guide go out with photographs of unaccompanied men on the covers.
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    23. Re:experiment by Skinny+Rav · · Score: 1

      You care to give some evidence of that?

      No evidence, I've heard it on the radio while driving. And it was about popular magazines, both for women and men, so about Cosmo, Elle and so on, and about Playboy, FHM, Loaded and so on.

      Raf

    24. Re:experiment by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but don't you get what I'm saying? Cosmo is a women's magazine, you expect it to have photos of women's clothes, women's make-up, etc. in it ... therefore it wouldn't make much sense to put a guy on the cover. Similarly, the men's magazines you mention are bought for the sole reason that they're going to have pictures of scantily-clad women in them. Why wouldn't you advertise that on the cover? Seems like a stretch, though, to go from that to "men aren't allowed to be on magazine covers." I'd say that decision is up to the editorial staff of the magazine in question.

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    25. Re:experiment by cornjchob · · Score: 1

      Several times a year it seems Maximum PC covers the topic--the female body just sells better. I've seen it covered in Popular Mechanics as well; editors are like "Listen, don't get offended, this is what moves copies off of newsstands" I know plenty of women who would rather sit through lesbian porn than gay porn, and these are very, very much straight females. Dominant male/female thing is a good point--people like pointing their heads upward with no foundation to launch off of. But the phenomenon's definately real, and I challange you to go out to your local newstand and ratio the male/female covers. Chances are, unless it's a male magazine (Why the hell wouldn't GQ have a man on it? And 8-10 issues of SI a year are also obvious--but let's remember: what SI issue sells the best?), it's going to have a female, an object, or an accompanied male. I'm thinking 3-5:1, female to male, at least. Especially during winter--it can be a cold, cold few months :-P

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    26. Re:experiment by phyruxus · · Score: 1
      >>"He" is the correct pronoun for a person of unknown gender.

      I thought it was "they"?

      'Give a person some spending money and they'll blow it on pictures of female humans' ?

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  15. No free monkey porn? by saladami · · Score: 0

    This just proves the inferiority of monkeys, since everyone knows there's plently of free monkey porn on the net. Is monkeyporntorrents.com registered?

  16. Explains Forbes and Playboy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've often heard Forbes described as porn for Fundamentalist Republicans -- guess this monkey research backs that up.

  17. You Have The Right To A Peel by tiktok · · Score: 3, Funny

    Peel a banana for a monkey, and he'll be fed for a day.

    Teach a monkey to surf the Internet, and he'll find his own peelers.

    1. Re:You Have The Right To A Peel by Brian+Brian · · Score: 0

      Or give a monkey a banana and he is fed for a day. Teach a monkey to get his own bananas and you destroy your customer base.

  18. Humans already do this by spineboy · · Score: 1, Insightful
    A lot of guys already do this - they pay to see ESPN -it's considered dominant males by those who watch it.

    Personally, I think most sports fans are a little "gay". They'd rather watch a bunch of sweaty guys jumping all over eachother, than, say fashion TV - where hot models walk down the runway.

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    1. Re:Humans already do this by lachlan76 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well you can get naked chicks on the internet for free. Why pay for another cable channel? ;)

    2. Re:Humans already do this by joke_dst · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This is just homophobia driven to the extreme...

      Watching sports is not a sexual behaviour, but rather a herd behaviour. It strengthens the bond to the "herd", in this case the followers of the same team. It also appeals to the competitive side of humans, since sports (usually? always?) are a competition. It's hardly a display of gay sexuality.

    3. Re:Humans already do this by sgant · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nah, I lump rabid sports fans in the same catagory of Star Trek fans.

      Let's look at this.

      1. Both fans get dressed up as their favorite character/player.

      2. They both will buy lots of memorabilia.

      3. Both are always glued to the TV to watch their show/game.

      4. Both talk non-stop with other people about their show/game...even with people that couldn't give a shit.

      5. Both know minute trivia about their favorite show/game.

      But one is generally accepted and welcomed in pursuing their passion while the other is shunned and joked and beat-up by the other.

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    4. Re:Humans already do this by Kynde · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A lot of guys already do this - they pay to see ESPN -it's considered dominant males by those who watch it.

      Personally, I think most sports fans are a little "gay". They'd rather watch a bunch of sweaty guys jumping all over eachother, than, say fashion TV - where hot models walk down the runway.


      Insightfull start but why did you flush it down the toilet with nimwit remark. It even counters your starts.

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    5. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. Its all the same man. If I had a nickle for every time some trekker set his phaser to stun and blasted me just because I wanted to watch the cubs game, I'd be rich. So what that some people just don't see the point of the Prime Directive when we can't even get things on this planet right?

      Don't even get me started on the torment of the cool geeks on us poor jocks in high school.

    6. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it was insightful.

    7. Re:Humans already do this by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 1

      Victoria's Secret fashion show is one of the most popular attractions (and I do mean that in every sense of the word) on TV. And I think most people just watch the superbowl for the ads...

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    8. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who marked that marked flamebait ?

      Probably someone that didn't live in mahgreb, where young sex discrimination does pushes bissexuality.

      Stoopid americans, pushing their morale on the rest of the world. Morons.

    9. Re:Humans already do this by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 1

      You know, it's weird: whenever I watch NFL, I just feel like doing whatever other people are doing. But instead of having a numbered tag in my ear, I wear a numbered jersey of my favorite team.

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    10. Re:Humans already do this by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

      It's called the 'catwalk'. The runway is where aircraft take off.

      And Fashion TV just has a lots of sticks with clothes strutting up and down repetitively. Once you come to that realization, all interest fades. Zapping around from Fashion TV, which a colleague switches the TV to all the goddamn time, to random channels at work one sunday morning gave me:
      - Report on exotic dancers (including demonstrations, nipples blurred for public TV)
      - Yoga by two young ladies with huge breasts, bending and twisting and grinding, oh my.

      Both infinitely more interesting to watch.

    11. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sure, keep telling yourself that.

    12. Re:Humans already do this by AftanGustur · · Score: 1, Insightful


      This is just homophobia driven to the extreme...

      It is your reaction that is a extreme reaction to a post that said "little gay" and was nothing extreme about.

      Why don't you try to ansver that post on the subject instead of attacking the author ?

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    13. Re:Humans already do this by famebait · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a subtle sexualisation of contact

      The sexualisation happens in your head, dude. Physical contact is not inherently sexual, it's just christianity's fucked up relationship with sexuality that makes it so.

      In many cultures it is perfectly natural to take someone by the hand to show them the way somewhere, even if both parties are adult males. Most americans would consider it "gay". Now what sort of mental condition and view of sexuality does that require?

      Not that many other cultures don't have their own serious hangups, of course.

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    14. Re:Humans already do this by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      6. Many people join fantasy Star Trek leagues and put together crews from their favorite characters from all the different shows. At the end of the week, they check the stats online to see which crew is winning.

      7. Trekkies who identify heavily with the Klingons will go into heavy debt to their bookies when watching reruns of old trek.

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    15. Re:Humans already do this by meza · · Score: 1
      But one is generally accepted and welcomed in pursuing their passion while the other is shunned and joked and beat-up by the other.


      Yeah I know, life is hard for us sport fans.
    16. Re:Humans already do this by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      No, it's called a runway. The catwalk is up in the grid where they hang the lights for the fashion show.

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    17. Re:Humans already do this by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Nah, I lump rabid sports fans in the same catagory of Star Trek fans [..] But one is generally accepted and welcomed in pursuing their passion while the other is shunned and joked and beat-up by the other.

      Because one is the bonding obsession of the socially accepted mainstream group, and the other is that of the 'outsider' group, that's why.

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    18. Re:Humans already do this by Dobeln · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, it used to be christianity - now it's mostly various under-occupied university types who seek to sexualise pretty much everything.

    19. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's stupid try to read some sort of sexual inference into all male activities. It's a juvenile attitude to think that because people admire or like somebody that they must be sexually attracted to them. Or that so called male bonding activities (sports, etc...) are have an inherently homosexual undertone. It might be for you, but don't try to project your fantasies onto everybody else.

    20. Re:Humans already do this by Skinny+Rav · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Physical contact is not inherently sexual, it's just christianity's fucked up relationship with sexuality that makes it so.ty's fucked up relationship with sexuality that makes it so.


      I'd say that rather your view of Christianity is rather fucked up. Somehow in Eastern, Orthodox Europe it is OK for males to kiss for greeting in the lips, somehow in Poland, supposedly extreme-Catholic country, it is OK for males to walk and talk hugging each other. OK, maybe walking hand in hand would be considered gay, or rather "feminine", not even gay, but many other physical contacts between males are really OK, without any homesexual undertones.

      AFAIK it is the same (or even more) in Italy, Spain, Greece. I don't know...

      So, have you considered, that this fuck-up happened rather in Anglosaxon culture than in "christianity"? OK, it might be something protestant in the background, but I don't know enough about Protestants to draw any conclusions.

      And Christian (well, at least Catholic and Orthodox) view of sexuality, while it might seem restrictive from the outside, is coherent and based on viable basis. Of course, there are some devots who still think it is much worse to show a tit in TV than to show dead bodies of terrorist bombing victims, but I don't think it has much to do with Christianity either.

      So before you rant, please do some investigation in the subject.

      Raf
    21. Re:Humans already do this by MrByte420 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm a gay man who likes to watch sports and found the joke to be rather whimsical.

      Whats halrious is that Queen, headed by the flamboyantly gay Freddy Mercury, wrote lots of the songs that you hear at football games e.g. "We Will Rock You" and "We Are the Champions..."

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    22. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All right, enough of this. On the count of three, everybody stop acting gay.

    23. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and the only cure is MORE COWBELL!

    24. Re:Humans already do this by BarryNorton · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Speaking as a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant... don't stick this on us!

      I was raised Anglican in England and our level of puritanical hypocrisy (to steal a phrase) is nothing compared to our departed republican cousins across the Pond... I'm quite happy with physical non-sexual contact with other men.

      (In response to another branch of the thread: I'm an academic, too!)

    25. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8. They're both mentally retarded.

    26. Re:Humans already do this by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

      What bothers me, is the slapping of the asses. Don't know what I'm talking about? Watch a football or baseball game.

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    27. Re:Humans already do this by porpnorber · · Score: 1

      Surely to have a phobia you have to be phobic reaction to something? As far as I know I have no phobias about my sexulaity or anyone else's - indeed, although I'm almost perfectly heterosexual, I find it actively sad that I don't have the trick of appreciating men; I figure I must be missing out on half the interest in life. Now that said, I agree with the comment: wrestling with women sounds like fun; showering with women sounds delightful. Wrestling with men sounds pointlessly uncomfortable physically; showering with men sounds pointlessly uncomfortable socially. So if the team sports behaviour is not motivated by sexuality it must be motivated by something else I don't have, and something that I don't know about, so I'd also be entirely comfortable saying that it seems kind of gay to me. Seriously, if it's a 'herd' thing, not a sex thing, why is it always single-sex? Or could it be - gasp - that you are a little homophobophobic?

    28. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wouldn't say that it's Christianity that's at fault. Not that my knowledge is deep in breadth or whatever, but if you read Chaucer (14th century), who was a very devout Christian, male physical contact was pretty normal in his stories.

      Male physical contact was okay until the 1950's or so (Asimov writes about men taking other men by the hand, etc.), when suddenly there was some sort of... hyper-masculinization, I'm not sure how better to describe it. And even so, it's found chiefly in North American society, to boot.

      In conclusion? No idea where it comes from, but even with Christianity's idiosyncrasies, it can't possibly be the only explanation.

    29. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that explains why I think those sports guys are a bunch of stupid sheep.

      THANKS!

    30. Re:Humans already do this by greyhoundpoe · · Score: 1

      But one is generally accepted and welcomed in pursuing their passion while the other is shunned and joked and beat-up by the other.

      It's because they're beat up by the athletes. If science nerds could routinely beat up basketball fans in middle school, we'd have a much different social heirarchy.

    31. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would tend to think the exact opposite is true. I would tend to question the sexuality of any guy would rather sit through a fashion show ohhing and ahhing over the guys way more than a Sunday football party with everyone screaming and yelling.

    32. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And herd behavior isn't sexual? Sorry, but sexual procreation influences all human endeavors. And competition is especially sexual. I think you just have a problem with the word "gay". Don't worry, sex is an amoral thing. You don't have to worry about the value judgments your living holy person places on these words.

    33. Re:Humans already do this by BarryNorton · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      I think you mean gay.
      Do you consider yourself heterosexual then... without having even proven it, little boy?
    34. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somehow in Eastern, Orthodox Europe it is OK for males to kiss for greeting in the lips ...um, would that be *Greek* Orthodox?

    35. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know, I just happened to have read "Great Expectations" by Charles Dickens. Of course he was an englishman writing in 1860, and he describes his very hetero male characters holding hands and getting emotional over each other. This was in a very christian, very protestant culture. Its not christianity, folks, that leads to homophobia!

    36. Re:Humans already do this by woah · · Score: 1
      I'd say that rather your view of Christianity is rather fucked up. Somehow in Eastern, Orthodox Europe it is OK for males to kiss for greeting in the lips.

      I can't say that I've seen a lot of that when I've been to Russia. I mean it's true that the politicians there are do it, but it's more of a put-on show, akin to kissing babies and the like. Honestly, none of the "regular" Russian blokes I know, greet each other with anything more than a handshake or perhaps a quick hug.

      Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with greater physical contact between males, in fact I think it's pretty cool. The less there is of idiotic machoism and the more people are excepting and open-minded the better the world would be.

      Interestingly though, I wouldn't be very comfortable at all kissing another bloke. I'm just a product of society, I guess.

    37. Re:Humans already do this by luisdom · · Score: 1
      And Christian [...] view of sexuality [...] is coherent and based on viable basis.

      #include histerical laugh here

      "Touch" yourself and you'll burn in hell, or go blind for it. Remember, God sees everything.

      God forbid you try sex before marriage, you may get to completly know your mate before signing an ethernal agreement with him/her.

      Don't ever use condoms. Sex's objective is reproductive and doing it just for fun is a sin. How to breed 8 children is your problem, though.

      Homosexuality is a sin. Or an illness. Or both

      We can argue if it is wrong or rigth, but you won't convince me it's coherent.

      Well, I speak for the catholic part. I don't know about the orthodox but let me doubt they have a helthier POV.

    38. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as a protestant: no, nothing in protestantisim says you are gay if you hug another guy. It's quite normal in our church. It's even in the Bible. (I persume that you by protestant means "the Bible alone", and not the teachings from hell that are common by some "protestant" "churces" today)

    39. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't forgot that much of the Catholic dogma associated with sex came from insane monks that suddenly came out of their tower, having been coo-coo for years, stating that God spoke to them and that sex is bad...blah...blah...blah... Before these insane nut jobs, sex was considered to be good by the church...and yes, "the church" even ran some brothels!

      Anyone that says that just about any aspect of Catholocism (the world's largest cult; and no, Catholocism is NOT part of Christianity!!! They are wholy distinct!!!) is coherent, is first in line for their own little cushioned room with a special jacket to wear.

    40. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, there are some devots who still think it is much worse to show a tit in TV than to show dead bodies of terrorist bombing victims, but I don't think it has much to do with Christianity either.

      I fully agree and would like to add that a great deal of western TV centers around showing hurt *but dressed* bodies, be it fiction or non fiction violence, or forementioned contact sports.

      So in an effort to both convince your parent poster and get this thread back on topic I propose the following experiment:

      put spongebob on pay-tv and see who pays to watch him....

    41. Re:Humans already do this by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Well you can get naked chicks on the internet for free. Why pay for another cable channel? ;)


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    42. Re:Humans already do this by gtkuhn · · Score: 1

      Maybe school science experiments need to focus more on thier historical purpose... warfare. Teach the nerds to build tasers, laser dazzlers, and other devices beyond the brain power of football addled jocks.

    43. Re:Humans already do this by Chexiepie · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing the parent was referring to fashion shows featuring _women_, who are oft in skimpy clothes. Just a hunch.

    44. Re:Humans already do this by The-Bus · · Score: 1
      "It's like these sci-fi nerds can't handle the real world, so they hide in a fake one," says sports fanatic Scott Moreland, whose online fantasy-football team, DaJerseyJintz, was 4-1 at press time.


      From "Walking Sports Database Scorns Walking Sci-Fi Database" in The Onion
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    45. Re:Humans already do this by snakeplissken · · Score: 1

      i would suggest that awareness of homosexuality itself is behind the 'hyper-masculinisation' you refer to. in a society where being gay is completely taboo then why wouldn't men hold hands and hug? it can't mean they are gay because 'everyone knows that sort of thing doesn't happen'!
      but all of a sudden there are gay people demanding rights ( a good thing (tm) ), media portrayals of gay people increases and 'ordinary' folk are much more aware of this aspect of human behaviour, now there is a greater danger of being thought of as gay than previously, how to avoid this? see where this is going?

    46. Re:Humans already do this by Infamous+Tim · · Score: 1

      Mods, please moderate parent as troll!

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    47. Re:Humans already do this by glenebob · · Score: 1

      "This is just homophobia driven to the extreme..."

      I'd have to suspect that the parent is a bit... in the closet... So possibly homophobic for that reason, but I suspect that the only reason he's even able to fathom anything sexual about a football game is some level of homosexuality.

      A hetersexual male is absolutely incapable of seeing the sportsmanship involved in, say, mud wrestling, in the same but opposite way that we're incapapable of seeing anything sexual about male sports. We can't even joke about it, there just isn't anything interesting or funny about it!

    48. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > > > I'm quite happy with physical non-sexual contact with other men.

      > > I think you mean gay.

      > Do you consider yourself heterosexual then... without having even proven it, little boy?

      Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's a joke flying right over your head... I assume you are not a native English speaker, so please let me explain what does "gay" mean when used as an adjective:

      gay
      adj., gayer, gayest.
      1. Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
      2. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
      3. Given to social pleasures.
      4. Dissolute; licentious.
      5. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

      As you can see, "gay" can mean the same as "happy" and your taking offense is nothing more than a homophobia on your part. Why are you so nervous? Why won't smile and be a little more gay once in your life?

    49. Re:Humans already do this by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      Good post. Now I will proceed to pat your ass to congratulate you.

    50. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bunch of men showering together, wearing what appears superficially to be spandex, and slamming into and grabbing each other.

      Football is completely gay.

    51. Re:Humans already do this by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Not a problem for me, I just use a perl script to get mine while I'm asleep ;)

    52. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean it's not the Christianity in place at the time Dickens penned his novel, or least the Christianity as he portrayed it. While I would like to say, yes, it is not Christianity, today's revisioning of Christ's teachings, at least in America at large, makes it very clear being Christian means believing people who seek or have sexual contact with another of their sex have violated holy law. I'm not sure Christ would have agreed with the current revisioning. I know he would not have condoned the hate in the hearts and minds of many of today's "Christian" people. (Nevermind supporting a President who regularly while governor signed death warrants leading to the execution of people.)

    53. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      same song cheese

    54. Re:Humans already do this by fingerfucker · · Score: 1

      Watching sports is not a sexual behaviour, but rather a herd behaviour.

      This is bullshit.

      It is about power and therefore sex. When it comes to players in event, showing that you're the winner means you're showing you're the most suitable man to be mated with. Also, it's a way to demonstrate power to drive rivals off.

      When it comes to watching the sports event, one can get a piece of that very same feeling by siding with the winning team. Associating yourself with the winner, you become a winner too (even though only in your head). The sports fan gains the feeling of superiority and thus the feeling of greatness of him as a male.

      It's all about sex.

    55. Re:Humans already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To much Nietzsche and and softcore porn movies about football teams and cheerleaders for you.

    56. Re:Humans already do this by glenebob · · Score: 1

      "Football is completely gay"

      Now THAT I agree with :-)

    57. Re:Humans already do this by Skinny+Rav · · Score: 1

      We can argue if it is wrong or rigth, but you won't convince me it's coherent.

      Of course what you quote is not coherent, because what you quote is a mix of:

      - devots exclamations
      - poor sermons
      - media interpretations.

      Let's check in detail:

      "Touch" yourself and you'll burn in hell, or go blind for it. Remember, God sees everything

      Well, first of all I haven't heard a sermon or whatever with hell in it for a long time now, and I go to Mass every Sunday. In fact quite a few Catholic thinkers alarm, that today's vision of Heaven is something along "me and a paedophil and Hitler and whoelse sitting together and singing Taizee songs as God plays guitar" - meaning that God's mercy is mistaken with "everybody has their reasons for doing so-called evil". So that's about it when it comes to Hell.

      As for masturbation: Catechism calls masturbation (together with pre-marriage sex) "lack of order in sex life". The reasoning is that if you jerk-off everytime you get erection and there is no willing woman in the vincinity, you are a slave of your instincts.

      God forbid you try sex before marriage, you may get to completly know your mate before signing an ethernal agreement with him/her.

      This one is more difficult... One thing: Church considers sex very important nowadays and that is why it says: "give it just to your spouse". And as for getting to know somebody completely before marriage: that is not true. People say: I want to live with him/her before I decide if s/he is the one. And the view of CC is a bit different, a bit akin to words of Gandalf to Elrond when Frodo volunteered for going to Mordor: probably if a couple knew through what troubled times together they would go, they'd never decided to marry, but if they love each other, they would regret their cowardice. Love is a choice in Christianity, not a pure emotion or basic instinct.

      Bugger, that's a difficult thing, so probably my explanations were not enough, whatever...

      Don't ever use condoms. Sex's objective is reproductive and doing it just for fun is a sin. How to breed 8 children is your problem, though.

      Yes, doing it for fun is sin. But it is not just for reproduction, but also to share your love with your spouse, develop even closer intimity and so on. As for condoms - if you decide to make love, you should always open to the possibility of having a child. It doesn't mean it is only about reproduction, it means it must not be disconnected from reproduction. It is like with eating, but even more: you can eat to taste food, not just because you are hungry, but eating is means to feed. If you eat to taste and then vomit to be able to eat (taste) more - you sin. I hope you get it, even if you don't agree.

      Homosexuality is a sin. Or an illness. Or both

      CC doesn't say if it is an illness. And for sure it is not a sin. Homosexual acts are a sin, just as any out-of-marriage sexual contacts.

      And marriage happens between a man and a woman ("and you will be like one" was said to Adam and Eve, not to Adam and John) - and this of course many will argue, but if you accept it as one of fundamets, things get coherent again.

      Gee, instead of doing my work I spread the Gospel :-/

      Now all you agnostics, atheists, pagans, new-agers - please mod me down for being not progressive enough ;-)

      Raf

    58. Re:Humans already do this by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      The christian view of sexuality doesn't seem strict from the outside. A lot of non-christian cultures abhor extramarital sex and homosexuality. That doesn't say anything about the way things _should_ be, of course, but there is hardly anything odd about the traditional christian view of sex (if there is such a thing) seen from a sociological perspective.

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    59. Re:Humans already do this by MatW · · Score: 0

      I agree with you on both accounts. I don't find the Christian view of marriage in anyway restrictive or messed up. I mean in other asian cultures fixed marriages last a lot longer than american marriages anyday. And do you not think that they would last long without a healthy sex life? Let's get our perspectives in check here before we go flinging out expletives that are demeaning intellectually.

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  19. Why not? by inode_buddha · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why don't the monkeys have filesharing? Then they could spank themselves to death. Maybe they were humans before the MPAA got them or something.

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    1. Re:Why not? by tvm662 · · Score: 1

      Because the bears got there first.

  20. michael jackson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Insert your own mj & bubbles joke here.

    1. Re:michael jackson by Alien+Being · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's perfectly normal for a grown man to share his bed with juvenile monkeys. hee heeeee

  21. Ig Noble Prize Material by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is Ig Noble Prize material! Last years Psychology Ig Nobel Prize winner won for "Gorilla's In Our Midst", showing that "when people pay close attention to something, it's all too easy to overlook anything else -- even a woman in a gorilla suit." Clearly, monkey butts is important follow-up research that also deserves a prize.

    1. Re:Ig Noble Prize Material by johnlcallaway · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I must disagree. I have read several books that attempt to show coorelation between primate behavior and many human behaviors. These studies are important in the nature/nurture arguments and important in learning how to treat social and mental disorders.

      Besides, anything that strengthens the argument that watching p0rn is natural gets my vote for futher funding.

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    2. Re:Ig Noble Prize Material by Atrax · · Score: 1

      Well, actually it's not such junk science. If they can clearly link this behaviour to the human equivalent, then that in itself gives a massive insight into how we operate.

      Then of course there's the fact that there are invasive tests which just couldn't be carried out on humans that could conceivably be carried out on monkeys (PETA notwithstanding)

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    3. Re:Ig Noble Prize Material by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Besides, anything that strengthens the argument that watching p0rn is natural gets my vote for futher funding.

      Were these monkeys deprived of normal monkey contact, including the opportunity to see other (real) monkeys, possibly indulging in sexual activity?

      If so (and I suspect they weren't living in the jungle, so the answer is probably yes), then all this may prove is that watching pr0n (*) is natural IF YOU SHUT YOURSELF AWAY FROM CONTACT WITH OTHER HUMANS.

      And the monkeys didn't have a choice I'll bet; unlike most humans.

      (*) Dammit! It's "pr0n", not "p0rn". Learn to spell!

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    4. Re:Ig Noble Prize Material by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 1

      Last years Psychology Ig Nobel Prize winner won for "Gorilla's In Our Midst"

      Wow! You mean it won even though it had a misplaced apostrophe in the title?

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    5. Re:Ig Noble Prize Material by m50d · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ig Nobel prizes are often given for important studies which are nevertheless funny. A category this certainly falls into. The gorilla study was just as important as this one.

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    6. Re:Ig Noble Prize Material by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original poster's grammar is correct.
      The title is the abbreviation of
      "(A) Gorrilla is in Our Midst."

    7. Re:Ig Noble Prize Material by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      If so (and I suspect they weren't living in the jungle, so the answer is probably yes), then all this may prove is that watching pr0n (*) is natural IF YOU SHUT YOURSELF AWAY FROM CONTACT WITH OTHER HUMANS.


      What do you think, did they set up an WAP hotspot in the middle of the jungle and see if the monkeys would rather surf monkey porn than look at the real monkeys near them?

      Of course they weren't living in the jungle.

      What is interesting is that, according to TFA ... "Curiously, the monkeys in the test hadn't had any direct physical contact with the monkeys in the photos" ... meaning without a contextual knowledge of wether these were higher-ranking or lower-ranking monkeys, the monkeys could place a value system on "who was hot and who was not", and decide if they would 'pay' or need to be 'paid' to view the images.

      (*) Dammit! It's "pr0n", not "p0rn". Learn to spell!


      So many words for smut, so little time. =)

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  22. some spending money by cgenman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Give a monkey some spending money, and he'll blow it on pictures of women monkeys.

    I wish they would stop referring to the students at Duke like that.

    1. Re:some spending money by Punboy · · Score: 0, Troll

      They're referring to the professors. The students use Kazaa, GNUTella, and other P2P networks. The professors are far too dignified to get their porn through such "dirty" means.

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    2. Re:some spending money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Not all of the porn addicts at Duke are women, I'm sure ;)

    3. Re:some spending money by __int64 · · Score: 1

      Give a monkey pictures of women monkeys and he'll blow it on pictures of women monkeys
      ..I think everyones watched enough porn here to get what I'm saying.

  23. sorry, no dice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My boss doesn't like it when I call him "baby".

    1. Re:sorry, no dice by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Funny
      My boss doesn't like it when I call him "baby".


      Give him some monkey porn and send him on his way. :-P

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  24. Evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you put an infinite amount of monkeys in a room with a bunch of Internet terminals, do they eventually come up with a new business model for online pr0n?

    1. Re:Evolution? by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Who modded this "Interesting"? Come on, own up!

      I think it may have been a joke.

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    2. Re:Evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or will putting an infinite amount of monkeys inside a limited space rip a hole in our universe and turn it inside out?

  25. Pearl Jam Lyrics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hey it's not me, it's evolution, baby."

    I'm ahead, I'm a man
    I'm the first mammal to wear pants, yeah
    I'm at peace with my lust
    I can kill 'cause in God I trust, yeah
    It's evolution, baby

    I'm at piece, I'm the man
    Buying stocks on the day of the crash
    On the loose, I'm a truck
    All the rolling hills, I'll flatten' em out, yeah
    It's herd behavior, uh huh
    It's evolution, baby

    Admire me, admire my home
    Admire my song, here's my coat
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
    This land is mine, this land is free
    I'll do what I want but irresponsibly
    It's evolution, baby

    I'm a thief, I'm a liar
    There's my church, I sing in the choir:
    (hallelujah... hallelujah...)

    Admire me, admire my home
    Admire my song, admire my clothes
    'Cause we know, appetite for a nightly feast
    Those ignorant Indians got nothin' on me
    Nothin', why?
    Because, it's evolution, baby!

    I am ahead, I am advanced
    I am the first mammal to make plans, yeah
    I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher
    Twenty-ten, watch it go to fire
    It's evolution, baby (2X)
    Do the evolution
    Come on, come on, come on

  26. I, for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I for one, welcome our new masturbating monkey overlords.

    1. Re:I, for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're new?

  27. Well, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duh!

  28. From the desk of Curious George... by SlimFastForYou · · Score: 3, Funny

    I for one welcome our new female monkey porn dealing researcher overlords!

    1. Re:From the desk of Curious George... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to hear it.

  29. Oh, great by andreMA · · Score: 4, Funny
    Just when the AOLers finally got booted from USENET, we'll have (another) group of primates arriving to endlessly post "MEEEE TOOO!!!!!"

    Or perhaps the change will raise the overall level of discourse. Hard to say.

    1. Re:Oh, great by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      The Endless Research Project?

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      I think the first Me Too post was not from an aol-er...

      http://groups-beta.google.com/group/net.micro.pc /m sg/993d3e017d041ed4

      Weird Al !> history.

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  30. Hmm, I wonder which monkeys they used. by Lord+Graga · · Score: 1

    Steve Balmer must have been one of them.

    1. Re:Hmm, I wonder which monkeys they used. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Balmer is a monkey? I thought he was a cyborg.

  31. Re:Oooh ooh Aaah Aaah! Oooh ooh aaah aaah! by hazah · · Score: 1

    Sounds like you have it all figured out.

  32. monkey movies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Next up -- seriously -- the researchers want to run the same test on Joe Sixpack"
    they already have. statistics via big screen movie sales and reactions via imdb posts.

  33. So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    In a very un-Slashdot-like manner, I have actually read the article (It was on Fark.com before Slashdot picked it up). I find the following part interesting:
    Curiously, the monkeys in the test hadn't had any direct physical contact with the monkeys in the photos, so they didn't have personal experience with who was hot and who was not.

    "So, somehow, they are getting this information by observation -- by seeing other individuals interact," said Michael Platt of the Duke University Medical Center.

    So, the question is: How are the monkeys able to see who is dominant and who is not?
    1. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by B747SP · · Score: 3, Funny
      So, the question is: How are the monkeys able to see who is dominant and who is not?

      Aww, geee, I dunno. It's just a wild and crazy guess on my part, and I certainly don't know exactly how it works with monkeys, but as far as squirrels go, I reckon that this squirrel is a dominant one.

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    2. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by srjames · · Score: 1

      How do you determine if another (human) male is "dominant" by observation? If someone is twice your size then they're going to be able to dominate you physically, which is really what matters to primates.

    3. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are clues.. I have theories.. For example:

      A fat female is unattractive because it looks like she is pregnant.

      A bold man is attractive because his head looks like a big.. well, you know what.

      People in uniforms are attractive, because they they look alike, which means they were so successful that they were able to multiply so much.

      The above points apply to humans, but it's the same with monkeys I guess.

    4. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whether or not a fat woman is unattractive is culturally dependent. 150 years ago, overweight women were considered a good deal more attractive than thin women. Weight does not matter on a genetic level as to wether we consider a woman attractive.

      What is a universal indicator of attractiveness for females is the waist-to-hip ratio. As I recall, a waist to hop ratio of 70% is considered the most attractive for females; this goes across all cultures.

      This is probably because we are conditioned, these days, to consider thinner woman more healthy than overweight women. A man's attraction to a woman is determined by how healthy she looks. Healthy women were better able to bear babies. Men are considered attractive by their wealth and social standing. And, indeed, wealthy and dominant men are more able to give their children more resources.

    5. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by Dogtanian · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are clues.. I have theories.. For example:

      A fat female is unattractive because it looks like she is pregnant.


      Funny how not all societies associate fat woman with unattractive, then. It's speculated that in our society, fat women are unattractive because food (particularly fattening foods) is plentiful (and hence fatness is common), and associated with being unfit; whereas better off people eat healthy food and keep fit.

      A bold man is attractive because his head looks like a big.. well, you know what.

      Assuming you or others find bald heads attractive.... but that's not universally accepted. And frankly, most bald men don't have a red, sunburnt head with a line down the middle, do they?

      People in uniforms are attractive, because they they look alike, which means they were so successful that they were able to multiply so much.

      More plausible theory (again, not mine); people in uniforms (well, men at least) are more likely to be in dangerous professions where they are willing to risk their lives to protect people. Which would extend to their mate (female) and child; good mate --> attractive.

      It's interesting that you don't hear of many strippograms dressing as traffic wardens, after all.

      The above points apply to humans, but it's the same with monkeys I guess.

      I'd doubt they apply to humans; they seem like some half-baked ideas you pulled off the top of your head. Although maybe you should dress in the uniform of a dictator of a banana republic and see if the monkeys at the local zoo find that attractive?

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    6. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 1

      Although maybe you should dress in the uniform of a dictator of a banana republic and see if the monkeys at the local zoo find that attractive?

      Or, if not them, maybe some leftist gorillas. (Rim shot.)

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    7. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 1
      "So, the question is: How are the monkeys able to see who is dominant and who is not?" It's easy, they watch the other monkey

      Body language: the way other monkeys react to them, the way they move, whether they stare at the camera. Staring, in primates, is an act of aggression ... so only dominant males are free to stare at any monkey they please.

      Appearance: Dominant males tend to have thicker, glossier coats, longer fur, and look "sleeker" for lack of a better word.

    8. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wanna hear something scary? I don't even have to click the link to know what it's a picture of: A squirrel with huge testicles.

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    9. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by defile · · Score: 1

      A fat female is unattractive because it looks like she is pregnant.

      Funny how not all societies associate fat woman with unattractive, then. It's speculated that in our society, fat women are unattractive because food (particularly fattening foods) is plentiful (and hence fatness is common), and associated with being unfit; whereas better off people eat healthy food and keep fit.

      Precisely. Look at pre-industrial revolution artwork. Most of the thin women are cast unflatteringly, whereas fat women have nice clothes and good hair. Thin was OUT!

    10. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      Who's the dominant person in this photo? What about here? Does this help?

      See, it's easy!

    11. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > Wanna hear something scary? I don't even have to click the link to know what it's a picture of: A squirrel with huge testicles.

      Excuse me, I believe you meant to say "large nuts".

      /didn't have to click either.
      //still waiting for the inevitable merger.
      ///it's not news for nerds, it's Slashfark!

    12. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) The woman third from the right, front row. Clearly she could lay waste to the entire crowd with her flatulence. The person to her right knows this and is in terrible fear. Also she has the glossiest and thickest hair.

      2) The man third from right (looks as though the silverback might not like him)... He's clearly a terrorist. I can clearly see the detonator in his right hand... And he dosen't look amused.

      3) The woman nearset the camera. Even though her back is towards the camera we can see that her hair is the glossiest. Also the fact that she chose red apparel indicates that she's in heat--relative to the rest of the crowd. She looks like she could do some damage with that microphone, also. Got a death grip on it, I think. Ready to pounce.

    13. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are the monkeys able to see who is dominant and who is not?

      So when you walk into a room, you actually have to go talk to everybody in person before you can figure out who the type-A personalities are? (You must be dumber than a monkey.)

      If monkeys couldn't figure this out, hotmonkeyornot.com would never have made it.

    14. Re:So, HOW can monkeys tell who is dominant by CharlesF · · Score: 1

      Wanna hear something ever scarier? I didn't have to, either, but I clicked on it anyway.

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  34. I Can See It Now, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the Winner of the 2005 Ignoble Prize for Human Psychology with their study of Bestality pornography in controlled primate environments is...

  35. It would be too much to expect... by kid-noodle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That we'd get anything other than a stream of 'spank the monkey' jokes, I suppose.
    I mean, I'll grant you that they're easy... But for all that the circumstances of the study make for plenty of nice crass jokes, it does raise some very interesting questions - hands up who else thought watching sports, and porn, were singularly human proclivities?

    Apart from the mild fascination attatched to what this tells us about our extra-fuzzy relatives, it gives an interesting perspective on what it is to be human, how divorced are we from our fellow animals? From those things we like to refer to as 'animal instincts'?

    But, since it's all too easy.. I'll let you construct a joke based on dominant monkeys, and American politics, as an exercise for the reader.

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    1. Re:It would be too much to expect... by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      were singularly human proclivities?

      Like, your preponderance for verbosity perturbs me, an' shit.

      Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go spank my monkey. Bad monkey! Bad!

    2. Re:It would be too much to expect... by anno1602 · · Score: 1

      who else thought watching sports, and porn, were singularly human proclivities?

      I really wonder... Have you never seen animals watching other animals at play? Or a dog jerking off? And in those Discovery Channel documentaries, did you never notice that other monkeys were watching monkeys fuck? Really, I rather had the impression that the only thing humans do differently is to pay money for looking at pictures. And that may well just be because animals, as a general rule, don't know how to take pictures. And if you say: Hah! But humans invented prostitution!, I say: In the animal kingdom, it is not uncommon for the male to bring a gift in some species.
    3. Re:It would be too much to expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it does raise some very interesting questions - hands up...

      cant... im busy.

    4. Re:It would be too much to expect... by yodaj007 · · Score: 1

      You will always be my dominant monkey

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  36. And what do female monkeys pay for? by Redshift · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... and what do they have to be paid to do?

    1. Re:And what do female monkeys pay for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Female monkeys, eh? They buy shoes of course!

  37. And how do researchers spend money? by adityapk · · Score: 5, Funny

    >Give a monkey some spending money, and he'll blow it on pictures of women monkeys

    Give researchers some money, and they'll spend it on monkey porn

  38. Nah... by kiddailey · · Score: 1


    It appears that one of the embedded ad's html is messed up. And since the ads/sponsored links are served somewhat randomly, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

    Turn off your javascript and it should display fine for you ;)

  39. Bestiality by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ok, silly question...

    If a male monkey gets off on looking at pictures of naked (human) women, is that considered bestiality?

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    1. Re:Bestiality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a male monkey gets off on looking at pictures of naked (human) women, is that considered bestiality? No, it's called humanity - silly you!

    2. Re:Bestiality by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1

      I guess it depends on if it is Helena Bonham Carter or not

    3. Re:Bestiality by Sardak · · Score: 1

      Warning: Clicking this link will crash your Windows box.

      Hardly. I let it open about 200 windows, then closed them all except the window containing slashdot. Didn't even slow my system down.

    4. Re:Bestiality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Ah...

      So in other words, you are a furry and you are seeking validation within the community for your sexual attraction to small animals?

    5. Re:Bestiality by DwarfGoanna · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually, Roger Fout's book Next Of Kin, about the Washoe Project talks about the chimps raised in human families being sexually attracted to humans. One in particular, an adult female, was known for flipping through Playgirl magazines while flicking her clitoris with a pencil.


      I kid you not.

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    6. Re:Bestiality by neuron132 · · Score: 1

      I just termainated the browser process when I had had enough.

  40. How long? by Gallowsgod · · Score: 1

    If you give a hundred monkeys a hundred laptops, how long will it take before they start posting on /.?

    Or has this already happened? ;-)

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    1. Re:How long? by rich42 · · Score: 1
      don't be stupid.

      monkeys are too smart to post on slashdot.

  41. That's what TFA says by characters42 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    That's what TFA's headline says: Monkeys Pay to See Female Monkey Bottoms.

    It would be interesting to know if they really only tried it with a male watcher / female picture combination. If so that would give an interesting insight into the researcher's minds...

    Another question then would arise: were the researchers male or female...

    1. Re:That's what TFA says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what TFA's headline says: Monkeys Pay to See Female Monkey Bottoms.

      Hmmm, I didn't know the buttocks had a gender. Do other body parts have genders too, like hands and feet?

  42. I found the "dominant monkey" pics by GroeFaZ · · Score: 1, Funny
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  43. Infinite ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you sure this research wasn't written by one of those infinite number of monkeys? ;-)

  44. shemale monkey porn by rich42 · · Score: 1
    they need to redo this study with shemale monkey porn.

    from all the spam I get - I have to assume that's where the real monkey money is at.

    1. Re:shemale monkey porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong - even monkeys can spell better than spammers!

  45. Re:Come here monkey.... by wheany · · Score: 1

    What?

  46. Masturbation probably kills brain cells... by chucks86 · · Score: 1

    Well, I had a joke that didn't involve both "spanking" and "monkey" in it, but after seeing all of the other ones, I can't picture anything but a monkey masturbating...

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    1. Re:Masturbation probably kills brain cells... by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Okay. Um...dude. I think you need to get help. :)

      ~X~

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    2. Re:Masturbation probably kills brain cells... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Errum: nerd, masturbation, brain damage.

      I think you could make a stronger argument that masturbation enhances brain activity: nerd, masturbation, Nobel Prize.

      Especially when you consider guys that married.

      Don't know what the fuck was going through their heads.

  47. Monkeys - pr0n - IQ Test by characters42 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Just wondering why there is an ad for an IQ test on the page of TFA - side by side with the monkeys...

    Seems just like a nice allegory to the evolution of man: Monkeys -> pr0n -> IQ Test

  48. THEN... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...why do they call 'em 'runway models'?

    you've been listening to too much Right Said Fred.

  49. When you're as fat as I am... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's just to hard to catch, with or without a sack.

  50. Re:Come here monkey.... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Yeee haw!!!

    I only give a shit because I see your mom in the photos.

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  51. what about female monkeys? by SilverSun · · Score: 1

    Do female monkeys pay orange juice to see male mokeys?

    -ss

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    1. Re:what about female monkeys? by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Funny
      Do female monkeys pay orange juice to see male mokeys?


      Only occasionally. In large, drunken, rowdy groups. Just before some monkey nuptials usually.

      Just like human women. ;-)

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  52. Monkeys paying for porn? That's nothing... by ag0ny · · Score: 1

    This shows us that hamsters are SO much more intelligent than monkeys... Mine were doing their own porn movies long before this...

  53. Got your wallet out? by gytterberg · · Score: 1
  54. In other news... by Xemu · · Score: 2, Funny

    In other news, women monkeys were said to be disgusted at the results of this survey.

    A spokes woman for MWEF (Monkey womens' emanicipation front) said "As always, research on males are considered more important than research on women." When asked to comment, the human researchers mumbled something about women monkeys having a more complex hormonal system.

    A team of Russian researchers gabe the monkey couples a remote control as part of the experiment, the women monkeys immediately monopolized it and choose to give all their money to see "Friends", because Marcel is so cute.

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  55. Would female monkeys pay by greylion3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    - to see dominant male monkeys?
    - to get bananas?
    - to get dildos?
    - to see monkey pr0n?

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  56. Hot ot not, eh? by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=BRG8K8H&key=EUB
    I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry...
    *GG*

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    1. Re:Hot ot not, eh? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      I gave her a 10, she's cute. Although, I should point out that I'm a monkey battering away at a computer terminal, and it's purely random chance that something meaningful came out of this lep98q43ia
      4wa4to
      iq433ddddddddddd40q63407nlkj]q ]\q\;;;;;;

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    2. Re:Hot ot not, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=BRG8K8H&key=EUB
      I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry...
      *GG*


      Here's a better one, on the tree:
      http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=NMKYNZB
      This one is actually quite hot... Very hot.

    3. Re:Hot ot not, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating nits!

      Ook, ook!

    4. Re:Hot ot not, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what's more disturbing, the fact that a monkey wants to know if it's hot or not, or that it's score is a 7.9!

  57. Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Johnny+Fusion · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the article: "One of the main problems in people with autism is that they don't find it very motivating to look at other individuals," Platt said.

    This is an attitude of what those comfortable with Autism call a "curebie". I am the parent of a wonderful boy who happens to have autsim, and I can tell you, he is no need of a "cure".

    Autism is categorized as a system-wide neurological disorder. A "disorder" because the system of an autistic individual deviates from what is considered "normal". These are most likely inherited traits. To "cure" autism would pretty much be a system of eugenics. Once born with these traits, there is no cure. Just as there would be no cure for left-handedness or red hair. This is not an acquired disease, this is who these people are.

    Not being comfortable with looking at someone in the face is not the end of the world. I hope to teach my son coping mechanisms to live in a world that does not make sense to him, there is no need for him to pretend to not be autistic and fit in with the Neurotypical folk.

    As cool as it is that monkeys like porn as much as the average slashdotter, this research in my opinion is misguided.

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    1. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with these "disorders" is that they create markets for psychotropic drugs, which is why the list of new disorders, and the numbers of the afflicted, continues to increase. It also explains why public schools (U.S.) will soon begin administering twice-yearly psychological tests to students. These tests, coincidentally, were written by pharmacutical companies.

    2. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Thank you. I personally have been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, and was somewhat alarmed at the slashdot article (not that such tend to make much sense). It is relieving to see a voice of reason.

    3. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Dobeln · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem here is that your son is going to have to live and socialize with people who are not autists. While a "cure" might be impossible, it certainly is possible to come up with ways of making it easier for people with autism to interact with those around them.

    4. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is an attitude of what those comfortable with Autism call a "curebie".

      No, it's the attitude of a scientist doing his research, so that maybe one day we can say a little bit more than "autism is a neurological disorder". I assure you that these researchers have no intention of "curing" your son.

      I have worked 5 years with adults who had various degrees of autism so I am familiar with the disorder.

      this research in my opinion is misguided.

      You are entitled to your opinion of course. I once submitted a research proposal to study the brains of live humans in order to find out a little more about how they work. All I needed was a small biopsy from each individual, about 10% of the brain mass. They called my proposal misguided too. I also never managed to get any volounteers. So I guess the only means we have to explore our own brains is by doing "misguided research" like this, studying other species and especially primates, in different situations, and hoping like hell that our comparisons have the least bit of significance when applied to a human situation.

      It's kind of like back when we weren't allowed to dissect human bodies, and everyone was going on about how the human body inside was just like a pig's anyway (which is completely untrue). So we probably never truly know how the brain works and how it doesn't, since what we have to work with are cadavers and lesser (?) species.

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    5. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Skapare · · Score: 0
      ... a wonderful boy who happens to have autsim [typo?] ...

      If autism is what someone is (which I, like you, believe in), then you should say your son "happens to be autistic".

      And apparently you happen to be a bad typist ... but, hey, that's normal on /. :-)

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    6. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 3, Funny

      All I needed was a small biopsy from each individual, about 10% of the brain mass. They called my proposal misguided too.

      "They laughed at me, those fools! Well who's laughing now? Muahahahahaha!"

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    7. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Headw1nd · · Score: 1
      Once born with these traits, there is no cure. Just as there would be no cure for left-handedness or red hair. This is not an acquired disease, this is who these people are.

      Actually, you can cure lefthandedness. You simply condition the child not to use his or her left hand. Lefthandedness used to be seen as undesirable, and in my parents and grandparents days "fixing" it was done as a matter of course. My father would likely be lefthanded, were he not "cured".

      As for red hair, you can't cure it, but there are treatments available.

    8. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      To "cure" autism would pretty much be a system of eugenics. Once born with these traits, there is no cure.
      I fail to see your point. I can say exactly the same thing about Cystic Fibrosis. Are you saying we shouldn't cure Cystic Fibrosis because it would be "pretty much a system of eugenics"?
    9. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      To "cure" autism would pretty much be a system of eugenics.

      I've heard deaf people say the same things. When they refuse to allow there children to hear, I they should be locked up for child abuse. I have dyslexia and think the world needs dyslexic people. Autism is a tough call for me, but I lean towards prevention (of the symptoms). They are learning a lot about the brain and may some day be able to change how peoples brains work.

      BTW, they cured red hair ages ago. It's called hair dye.

    10. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by rbarreira · · Score: 1
      All I needed was a small biopsy from each individual, about 10% of the brain mass

      Small biopsy? Do it on yourself first then :P
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    11. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Ganryu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd have to strongly disagree with you here, while i'm no expert myself I do associate with a group of Psychology Masters, two who actually specialise in autistic children. They are strong believers that their is infact a "cure", cured in the sense that when these children grow up, they are virtually indistinguishable from other people and no longer exhibit the traits that would classify them autistic and be able to function in society as normal people.

      The problems with socialising with people commonly associated with such things as lack of eye contact and inability to verbalise their wants (like banging their head with a toy hammer until they get attention instead of asking) is one of the major problems psychologists deal with through positive reinforcement (giving them something they like/want when they act in a way deemed socially acceptable, or atleast better than they were doing.

      It's so amazing to see kids who just a 3 or 4 years ago seemed like they would never be able to function in society coming up and talking to you and asking for a drink themselves. I'm talking from an Australian stand point here and am not sure what services are provided by the Government in the US, but truly the work these people do is so impressive and should be giving so much more resources than they currently are.

    12. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Hacksaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lovely. Listen, is your boy high functioning, or low? Is he the next Temple Grandin, or is he one of the ones that rocks incessantly and can't dress himself at the age of ten?

      Just because you find your boy easy to deal with doesn't mean everyone else's kid is the same. Some autistics can survive in the world, many can't. For them amelioration of the effects means not having a "normal" life, but having a shot at any kind of independence.

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    13. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by telecsan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Simply put, I am a person with a vision "disorder". My sight is not 20-20. I am sure that everyone knows someone who meets this criteria. This is most likely an inherited trait. Should I consider it part of who I am, and never learn to read/drive/etc. Or should I get these new-fangled things called glasses (or contacts, or worse, laser-surgery) so that I can function 'normally' in society. The parent poster should read his own sig. Just because it's new doesn't mean it's bad. I'm sure there are autistic individuals that exist that would like nothing more than to be 'normal'.

    14. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Just shut up. This type of boilerplate cynicism is what makes slashdot so bad. FYI, there are 0 types of medication pushed at autistics, other than over the counter B complex vitamins.

      Now on the other hand, the problem with these "opinions" like yours is that they create an environment where autistic people feel that they have to act normal because nobody will accept their differences.

    15. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you can't cure dark skinned-ness without eugenics either. The difference is, people who have dark skin and people who are autistic tend to be happy with who they are, while people with Cystic Fibrosis are dying for a cure.

    16. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      One of the best cures for high functioning autism involves educating those who are not autistic to not demand eye contact be made and not try to convince said person they are just shy.

      This would make a world of difference for many people. One of the biggest reasons I don't like socialising is that so many people think they know everything and can tell all about you by just looking at you.

      In the end people usually don't accept autism and have a constant agenda of trying to cure my "shyness" and it gets so obnoxious that I just can't take it.

    17. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by DumbRedGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you. I felt like that was the point someone needed to make. I've spent nearly five years working with autistic kids, and am now working for a study doing public health surveillance for autism and other disabilities.

      Autism *Spectrum* Disorders cover such a broad range of levels of functionality, it really isn't fair to use the term "autistic" when someone says "Children with autism do not need to be cured." A lot of doctors have differing views on what actually constitutes a pervasive developmental disorder, and there can be motivations behind getting the diagnosis for your child.

      A child I work with has broken bones in his feet and fractured bones in his face due to self-injurious behavior. He could stand to be cured, if it was possible. But if a child has problems with eye contact and perseverates on trains and is called autistic, it is a lot easier to say "There's nothing wrong with autism. YOU people are the ones who are going to need to change!"

    18. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious? You asked people to give you 10% of their brain??? Can one remove that much without seriously damaging it? A small sample of liver tissue, lung tissue is ok for research, a body can deal with that, but removing a large portion of the brain must result in the loss of something...

    19. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Dobeln · · Score: 1

      That can work for a close-knit group of friends and relatives, but it will hardly cut it with strangers.

    20. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Are you serious?
      As you Americans are so fond of saying... duu-uhhh. Yeah, uh, I'm serious, somehow I never managed to get it past the ethics committee... and blast those informed consent forms...heh.

      Some people have NO sense of humour...

      but removing a large portion of the brain must result in the loss of something...

      As the saying goes... "no shit, Sherlock...". Actually though, the functional loss is not as much as you would think if the damaged tissue is from the cortex of the non-dominant side (ie the left brain if you're right handed, and vice-versa). Also the deeper down you go (basal ganglia, thalamus, etc) the more trouble you can run into. This basic neurological knowledge has been obtained from stroke patients, trauma patients, etc... But yeah, there's usually a few side effects (new onset seizures, etc, in some patients).

      But to spell it out to you, I was making a joke.

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    21. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by adolf · · Score: 1

      I call bullshit.

      The rest of the world ("normal people") should come up with ways of making it easier for themselves to interact with those with autism.

    22. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      Not only that, but wait till grandparents kid is a teenager. If they are high functioning, try to ask them whether they'd like to be "cured". Remember, you may think they don't need a cure, but they're people to, and they may feel a lot differently than their parents.

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    23. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by rark · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Thank you for posting this.

      It's hard to look at people because it literally overwhelmes my ability to process visually. People have lots of little visual details and move a lot. Many times I have to make a choice of looking at people or listening to people. Sometimes the right choice is to stare at the wall and listen to the person, rather than staring at the person and not hearing anything at all.

      To those who think that only 'high functioning' autistics or aspies are against finding a 'cure', I highly recommend reading http://www.autistics.org

      Autistics.org is run by several of the 'lower functioning' individuals that NT people seem to think they are helping with their 'find a cure' attitude. You're not helping, you're hurting us. Please educate yourself and stop hurting us.

      (Yes, I am a 'higher functioning' individual, but I fail to understand why it's wrong for me to say 'stop hurting autistics' but it's right for people who are not autistic at all to continue hurting autistics)

    24. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by DaEMoN128 · · Score: 1

      dont you mean

      Well whos drueling now???? :)

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    25. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To "cure" autism would pretty much be a system of eugenics. Once born with these traits, there is no cure. Just as there would be no cure for left-handedness or red hair. This is not an acquired disease, this is who these people are.

      So if my kid is born with 1 lung, I shouldn't try to "cure" him -- that's just who he is?

      Not being comfortable with looking at someone in the face is not the end of the world. I hope to teach my son coping mechanisms to live in a world that does not make sense to him, there is no need for him to pretend to not be autistic and fit in with the Neurotypical folk.

      I guess that's true. If I'm born with 1 lung, that's not the end of the world, either.

      Of course, I'll probably be a drain on other people, and I probably won't live as long.

      (You can guess why I'm posting anonymously...)

    26. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Johnny+Fusion · · Score: 1

      I said as much in my original post, no? I am teaching him (with much help) to "get along" in the world, but not changing who he fundamentaly is.

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    27. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Johnny+Fusion · · Score: 1
      I assure you that these researchers have no intention of "curing" your son.

      Did you RTFA? And I quote:

      The study, announced Friday, is far from monkey business. It was sponsored by the National Institute of Mental Health and the Cure Autism Now Foundation.

      Tell me, what does an organization called "Cure Autism Now Foundation" have as its agenda?

      I did not say I was against the research, I think it is a good thing. It is the motivation behind the research and the aims of those funding it that I believe is misguided.

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    28. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Johnny+Fusion · · Score: 1

      Semanitcs and typos. Give me a break, it was 5 in the morning, and I had been up about 22 hours. :) I think both phrases are semanticaly correct. Just like I can either say, "My wife is blind" or "My wife has blindness". They are pretty much equal. But I agree with you, "my son is autistic" does sound better than "my son has autism". I'm still learning too.

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    29. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Johnny+Fusion · · Score: 1

      You have a point, but you are making a generality out of a specific example. I don't have all the answers, and its very difficult to justify and qualify every opinion in a /. comment box.

      The simple answer is that I simply do not know, and do not want to make such an ethical judgement like that off the cuff.

      I probably would have just let it lie as a rhetorical question, if I were not quoted and asked directly.

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    30. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Johnny+Fusion · · Score: 1

      As the granparent, I'll respond. My son is high functioning. My current opinion comes from three things.

      The first is my son himself. You cannot seperate his autism from who he is. I love him like no other person on the planet, and like in the words of Mr. (Fred) Rogers, "I like him just the way he is."

      The second is my friends who are adult autistics. I have yet to meet an adult autisitic that thinks they are in the need of a cure. Many of them believe the "therapy" they recieved as children to modify their behaivior was abusive.

      The third is that I have a disabilty myself, as does my wife (onset after the birth of our son). We have learned that a disability does not mean that a life is incomplete whatsoever. Nor are disabilities something to be feared. Nor are they an unsurmountable obstacle to being happy. Most importantly, being disabled is not the end of the world.

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    31. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Johnny+Fusion · · Score: 1
      I'm sure there are autistic individuals that exist that would like nothing more than to be 'normal'.

      I have yet to meet one. Of course this does not mean they do not exist. I've never met an Uzebek, but I do not think them fiction.

      The difference between "curing" autism and correcting vision, is that 20/20 vision would not change who you fundamentaly are.

      It is a logical fallacy to derive a general assumption from a specific example.

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    32. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So if my kid is born with 1 lung, I shouldn't try to "cure" him -- that's just who he is?

      Generally speaking, who you are has to do with your mental state and not your physical state.

    33. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by celeritas_2 · · Score: 1

      You use eugenics like a dirty word when you really should be talking about natural selection. The truth is that autism, disease or not, hinders the individual. In a normal society a person with autism is less likely to survive than a person without. The same is true for a person who is anemic, or unusually stupid, or ugly. I'm not Hitler, i don't want to kill people who are a different race, or those who have poor genetics, but I acknoledge the differences. I disagree, ther are too cures for red hiar, mainly hair dye. And people can learn to use their opposite hands.

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    34. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Services Provided by the US government in exchange for our taxes..., um... a Millitary to beat all, and little else really.. :(

    35. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have ADD. I can't pay much attention to anything and as much as I try, it gets worse. I have always been like this and I am like this. But this kind of problem when you have to work, study and do things with others is kinda annoyng. Since I have been under medical treatment, I don't feel my personality has changed, but only that I can pay attentiong IF I WANT. I believe a "treatment" for autism would be like that: making it easy for them to look at others if they really want.

    36. Re:Missing the point: A cure is not needed by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      We have learned that a disability does not mean that a life is incomplete whatsoever.

      Then it isn't a disability. If you are lacking an ability, then your life is "incomplete" in that you are, by definition, short some ability. If you want to argue that autism isn't a disability, then I'll entertain that notion. However, to stipulate that it is a disability, then proclaim that life is complete even with a disability, then I must disagree because of the contradiction of terms.

      Oh, and in case you are wondering, if I'd entered the public school system now, with the trend of properly diagnosing (or over-diagnosing) cognative disorders, I suspect that I'd have been diagnosed with no less than three unrelated diseases/disabilities. Does it suck not being able to alphabetize or subtract (slightly exagerated, as I have learned coping mechanisms)? Sure. My life would be much easier if my abilities more closely matched those around me. If I could change that, I would. I would like a "cure." However, I also score much higher than average on IQ tests (about 160 or so). If it is my quirks that leave me with thinking skills that allow me to score high on such tests, the "cure" would result in makeing me dumber. So, in that case, I wouldn't want to be more average in ability if it also affected my spacial skills (to take an example of one of the things on an IQ test that I do well on). But if being able to subtract 7 from 12 or knowing what letter comes after "j" wouldn't change the rest of me, I'd happily like to be cured.

      I know a number of adults with officially diagnosed disorders, and I've never heard a single one say that wouldn't like a cure, but more than one has said they would like a cure (or expressed as "I would like to be normal"). And these span from the mildly affected to those that will forever be unable to care for themselves.

  58. question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if this test is carried out on an infinite monkeys, will one become hugh hefner ?

  59. admit that other primates are very similar to us by Cryofan · · Score: 1

    Can we please finally start to admit that other primates (apes, and extinct primates, such as Neanderthal, homo erectus, etc) are/were a lot more like us than we care to admit?

    Isn't it likely that Australian aborigines are part homo erectus (see here
    and
    here
    and
    here.

    And that Europeans are probably part Neanderthal. And then you have homo florensis....

    I wonder why we cannot admit that apes are a lot like us? Maybe because we eat them sometimes? Maybe it is similar to the rationalization people used in the past to justify slavery?

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  60. internet deprived monkeys by POds · · Score: 1

    Obviously, these monkeys did have the internet, otherwise they wouldnt be paying for it!

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  61. Re:Come here monkey.... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Do monkeys spank the human?

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  62. Missing details by springbox · · Score: 1

    Well, this was an interesting study but there are a few details that I am interested to know about. How did the researchers determine that the monkeys were "exchanging" their "money" for monkey pr0n; what was the exact mechanism used to determine that such an exchange was taking place? Monkey's don't use verbal communication and won't say "I'd like to see some hot female monkey ass in exchange for this juice you just gave me." So what's going on with these monkeys?

    1. Re:Missing details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The researchers showed them how to use ebay and PayPal...any monkey can figure those out...right?

      Atrivis

  63. Preliminary results. by Tibe · · Score: 1

    In the current experiment, researchers have noticed a trend. Monkeys given a web browser will still look at female monkeys, and also refresh certain pages constantly though-out the day. The research group named WebMonkeys were found to be 50% less intelligent than the Control group. Of the 50,000 involved in the experiment it was found that every monkey exhibited this behavior. The researches can't be wrong. Researches say they do not plan a human equivalent experiment as reference data already exists.

  64. Uh-Oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Asia Argento appeared naked in the film 'B. Monkey'. I liked it, should I be concerned?

    1. Re:Uh-Oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asia Argento is a seriously hot piece of ass.

  65. Proof! by pdabbadabba · · Score: 1

    Monkies are stupid. No one pays for porn!

  66. Female Monkey? by FatherOfONe · · Score: 1

    I would rather know what the female monkey would spend her money on, and what she liked to watch and do. Being a male what the heck do I care what other males like :-)

    I also say forget Joe Sixpack and go after Jane.

    Also, I just hope and pray that my tax dollars didn't go to fund this crap, but I am sure it did somehow :-(

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  67. Re:Oooh ooh Aaah Aaah! Oooh ooh aaah aaah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be new here.

  68. Re:Come here monkey.... by doshell · · Score: 1

    Do monkeys spank the human?

    Only in Soviet Russia.

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  69. Geek dominance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like to see more thoughtful discussion about why some of us do not enjoy watching sports on TV, but enjoy watching Star Trek/SciFi (without all the gay bullshit).

    I do not like watching sports, but do like watching SciFi, particularly Trek. I have always been a geeky sort (good at tech stuff, not prone to follow societal dictates about dress, etc.) but at the same time quite adept in social situations, a good leader, attractive (presumed on the basis of having had several girlfriends and married twice--not all at the same time, though), and so on. So, I do not seem to fit the stereotypical model of either camp.

    Therefore, is it possible I do not like to watch sports because I am dominant, or at least think I am?

    Do I like Trek/SciFi because it is tech-centric, and my "dominance" is tech dependent/derived?

    On the other hand, I have a forceful personality that makes it possible to "dominate" other males of superior physical prowess, at least in social settings.

    Yet, I do not really enjoy social gatherings and prefer staying home by the fire and reading, or writing.

    So, where do I fit in--or do I?

  70. Reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Reminds me of... by Apalapala · · Score: 1

      Hey, my site! Wick'd ... and weird.

      http://www.monkeydorm.com/

  71. Did they really say that? by ghislain_leblanc · · Score: 1

    The rhesus macaque monkeys also splurged on photos of top-dog counterparts, the high-ranking primates. Maybe that's like you or me buying People magazine.

    So, if I understand it right, reading People Magazine is just lire looking at a monkey's derière?

  72. Don't do evil by adeydas · · Score: 1

    Girls = Time x Money
    Time = Money
    Money is the root of all evil
    Money = [evil]^1/2
    Hence, Girls = Evil

    So fellow /. 'ers do no evil by watching female humans.

  73. Re:admit that other primates are very similar to u by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I admit it. I'm a monkey.

  74. I volunteered by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1

    Ends up I gave cash to look at pictures of female monkey butts.

    I'm not ashamed to admit it.

  75. Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duke U. is full of crackpots.

  76. Autism is an acquired disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This pro-aspie attitude is no different from the pro-ana and pro-deafness mess.

    People with disorders and disabilities, in some attempt of self validation, try to say their disability is not a disability but just 'different'. If a person is retarded - which is what autism is by definition - trying to pretend that they're not retarded, but just 'different', is a messed up attitude. They're tying people's worth to their physical (dis)abilities rather than how good they are as a person, and as they're doing this, they try to pretend that their personal disability isn't a disability but is just 'different' to try to self validate. We see anorexics doing this, blind people doing this, deaf people, some schizophrenics, and now autistics.

    Autism is not 'different' like blue and green eyes are different. It is massive brain damage caused by chronic, global physical illness. These individuals may be disinterested in focusing on others because certain parts of their brains have been literally destroyed or are not working. They often have mental illnesses because they have some of the most radical chemical inbalances in their bodies that you'll find in anyone.

    2/3rds of children with autism are not 'born' with autism, but develop normally for the first two to four years. Autism is not inherited. But rather, genetic traits are inherited that make a person more or less vulnerable to the environmental insults that cause autism. Autism is a modern disease that was very rare before recent times. This is because few people were exposed to the things that cause autism until now.

    Autism can and has been induced in previously normal adults and lab animals, as well as children.

    Oh, and autism can potentially be cured. Parents are now having success in curing autism with bio chemical intervention. Children have gone from quasi vegetative states to being completely normal and communicative.

    I am opinionated about this subject because I used to be autistic. Note past tense.

    1. Re:Autism is an acquired disease by forkazoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am not diagnosed autistic, but I have always had some behavioral quirks consistent with mild autism, or something similar, and frankly, I have always found the few truly autistic people I have met to be much easier to get along with than mundanes.

      So, obviously, there is a very broad range of what autism is from real, diagnosed mild autism, to not-quite-but-sort-of like myself, all the way to the profound autism where people are unable to function.

      There is no right answer to whether it should be cured. If somebody is completely unable to function, and to speak for himself, then his guardian should probably consider getting him available treatments. For me, personally, If somebody came to me with a pill that could make me function better in society, and understand people better, and be more normal, I wouldn't take it. I would fight kicking and screaming before anybody forced a normal-pill down my throat. I am curious about what normalcy would be like, but the fact that my brain doesn't work like anybody else that I know tends to be a valuable thing in many cases.

      For the middle ground, I think it has to be up to them. Research should continue. Treatments should be available. But, normalcy should not be mandatory.

    2. Re:Autism is an acquired disease by slumpy · · Score: 1

      goddammit, this is supposed to be about monkey pr0n, not stuff in the REAL world.....GAWD

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    3. Re:Autism is an acquired disease by bungo · · Score: 2, Interesting


      They're tying people's worth to their physical (dis)abilities rather than how good they are as a person, and as they're doing this, they try to pretend that their personal disability isn't a disability but is just 'different' to try to self validate. We see anorexics doing this, blind people doing this, deaf people, ...

      This is very true, and Im ashamed to admit that I had no idea that this occured until recently.

      There was a documentary on the BBC which followed some deaf people, one couple were having a baby. The maternal grandmother was deaf, and the paternal grandmother was not deaf. Both parents were deaf.

      When the baby was determined to be profoundly deaf, the reaction of the paternal grandmother was "Oh, I'm so sorry", while the reaction of the deaf maternal grandmother was "I'm so happy for you". Both of the parents were very happy and were wanting their child to be deaf.

      They were rationalizing it as that now their child would be living in a special world of deaf people, and would have all of the same wonderful experiences as they, deaf people, have. If their child was able to hear, then they would have been disappointed that their child would live in a different 'world' to them.

      I was totally amazed at this attitude, and when I told my wife about the show, she was shocked and couldn't understand their perspective (and I probably didn't do a good job of explaining the entire show to her as well). We're just so glad that our son is perfect and is not limited by any loss of any of the senses.

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    4. Re:Autism is an acquired disease by unitron · · Score: 1

      If you want immature, frivolous, vulgar comments, you should have clicked on one of the serious important stories.

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    5. Re:Autism is an acquired disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "mundanes"??? We prefer the term "norms", thank you very much.

  77. Re:admit that other primates are very similar to u by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe because Humans, Neanderthals, Australopithecines All Variations on One Species, and that apes and such are vastly different from humans??

    Not everything they say on the Discovery Channel and on National Geographic is true about the origin of man.

    Best Regards,

    dan :)

  78. Re:Oooh ooh Aaah Aaah! Oooh ooh aaah aaah! by Xyrus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why are you repeating SCO's legal arguments?

    That's totally off-topic!

    ~X~

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  79. Right here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html
    http://ww w.macboy.com/cartoons/ballmer/

    (Be aware, some monkeys claim that the Balmer video is the goatsx of monkey porn. Viewer discression advanced.)

  80. That's just the beginning! by cabraverde · · Score: 1

    I think you're looking for this:

    Monkey Hot Or Not

  81. Mod parent up by Q+Who · · Score: 1

    Such rare comments are the reason I still read slashdot sometimes.

  82. Temple Grandin has done related research ... by mingrassia · · Score: 1

    This story reminds me of a fascinating interview I heard of Temple Grandin on NPR's Fresh Air. The interview is still available to stream online.

    "Temple Grandin is one of the nation's top designers of livestock facilities. She is also autistic. In her 1995 book Thinking in Pictures, she described how her inner-autistic world led her to develop an empathy for how animals cope.

    Temple Grandin is currently an assistant professor of animal sciences at Colorado State University in Fort Collins. Her new book is Animals in Translation: Using the Mysteries of Autism to Decode Animal Behavior."

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  83. Troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Autism is not 'different' like blue and green eyes are different. It is massive brain damage caused by chronic, global physical illness.

    Please back that up with something more than "Anonymous Coward said so".

    1. Re:Troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mods are stupid. First autism is massive brain damage, then he/she got cured? They must have had to visit the future for that cure because we are not yet able to restructure the brain.

    2. Re:Troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the spurious "facts" in that comment. There are many MANY genetic diseases that become apperant later in life, sometimes much later.

      Just because something was not evident as a baby, toddler, child, teenager does not mean that it was not acquired. Some of these things are degenerative, I don't know if autism is degenerative, but if it wasn't genetic in nature, why are they collecting genetic information?

  84. educating those who are not autistic by glrotate · · Score: 1

    Sorry. I'm not the defective one. I don't need reeducation. Eye contact is a remarkably effective way of evaluating a person you are dealing with. It's something that's evolved over millions of years across inumerable species.

    1. Re:educating those who are not autistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you can't handle the fact that some people just don't like making eye contact and think that it is your duty to condescend and act like you are their parent, then yes dear, you are quite defective.

      Demanding that someone look you in the eyes is similar to demanding that they eat meat when a guest at your house. Just because you are in the majority doesn't necissarily mean you are in the right.

  85. We have a delicate flower I see. by i41Overlord · · Score: 1

    It's funny how on the Internet, some morons will step out of the woodwork to say they're offended no matter what you say.

    This is just selective reading on your part. They said nothing wrong. The animal was male, it paid to look at pictures of females, and it was a monkey. They didn't say that it was only "normal" for a monkey to be male.

    If the researchers said "give a monkey some money and she'll pay to see pictures of male monkeys", there wouldn't be anything wrong with that either, but I'm sure you'd get some limp wristed guy to come out of the woodwork and say that he was offended by it.

    Grow a thicker skin and stop crying like a pansy. Everyone's got their weird agendas... sheesh.

    *member of the Ferret Liberation Front (militant division)

    1. Re:We have a delicate flower I see. by Cruxus · · Score: 1
      i41Overlord: Grow a thicker skin and stop crying like a pansy. Everyone's got their weird agendas... sheesh.

      This begs the question: What's your "weird agenda"?

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    2. Re:We have a delicate flower I see. by i41Overlord · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My agenda is "keeping it real", which means that I don't get along well with far left socialist liberals and far right Bible-thumping republicans. How can all the people in the middle get along when you have both sides trying to take over the world? They're troublemakers.

    3. Re:We have a delicate flower I see. by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      Agreed! :-D

      SB

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  86. Fight Us or Fuck Us by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Which costs more, the hotties or the bullies? I believe humans spend much more on the bullies, but we eat a lot more meat. Then again, we also demand free porn, which has not yet been reported in monkeys.

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  87. Bonobo Porn by Ranger · · Score: 1

    So monkeys would pay to watch other dominant monkeys masturbate and throw shit at zoo patrons? Now if you really want some primate porn, how about them Bonobos mistakenly referred to as pygmy chimps.

    They use sex as a social lubricant the way we humans shake hands or hug. Would a bonobo pay to watch bonobo porn? The thing is their whole life is one big porn movie. They engage in public activities like oral sex and penis fencing. Really!

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  88. MPAA name finally justified by Luguber123 · · Score: 1

    MPAA can finally get som hard earned cash from their clients without lawsuits. The company announced this morning that the new market that emerged from their monkey business, made the board reconsider the name - Monkey Porn Association of America, will help us reach our new audience. A spokesman told us he was pleased that the company had changed tactics after years of fighting evolution.

    1. Re:MPAA name finally justified by fnord_uk · · Score: 1

      I'd mod this funny, but I have no points. Nobody has ever given me any either.

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    2. Re:MPAA name finally justified by Luguber123 · · Score: 1

      It's the thought that counts anyways :) Clever signature btw :)

  89. What about King Kong and Faye Wray? by jrifkin · · Score: 1

    Remember when King Kong falls in love with Faye Wray? Didn't you wonder about the likelihood of cross-species romance among primates? Now is Science's chance to find out. I propose they include photos of Faye Wray with the female monkey photos and see how well the male monkeys like her.

    1. Re:What about King Kong and Faye Wray? by unitron · · Score: 1
      " I propose they include photos of Faye Wray..."

      Especially the one where she's standing on deck the first night out in that filmy white somewhat backlit dress. Hubba hubba.

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  90. Rishathra! by StefanJ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Larry Niven coined the word "rishathra" for sex between different species of hominids.

    Since our ancestors killed off our hominid cousins, perhaps it could be used to describe sex between primates.

    Of course, they'd have to be intelligent primates. So until we get some kind of Uplift program going, a monkey getting off on human porn would almost certainly find warts and hair sprouting from his palms. (And vice-versa, so don't get any ideas!)

    Stefan

  91. In the second experment by Jozer99 · · Score: 1

    In the follow up experement, most of the human subjects (with a few glaring exceptions) refused outright buy pictures of any of the monkeys. Scientists are currently puzzling out the implications of these unexpected results.

  92. I'm still waiting... by Bolshoy+Pimpovich · · Score: 0

    ...for a George Bush joke!

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  93. family guy by FashionNugget · · Score: 1

    Brian: "Are you sure it was a book, Peter? Are you sure it wasn't... nothing?"

  94. Author's twisted world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTA:
    Would you pay to see a monkey's backside? I hope not. Monkeys will, and I guess that's okay, though it sounds awfully close to the sort of thing that lands guys in jail here in the human realm.

    and...

    The rhesus macaque monkeys also splurged on photos of top-dog counterparts, the high-ranking primates. Maybe that's like you or me buying People magazine.

    So...apparently using People magazine as porn is one step away from being arrested for rape? What?

  95. monkeys are not allowed to have pets. by has2k1 · · Score: 1

    I know some monkey is in court for sharing his bed with kids.

  96. Freddie Mercury wasn't gay by metamatic · · Score: 1

    Minor fact-check: Freddie Mercury wasn't gay; he was bisexual. (Check Wikipedia.)

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    1. Re:Freddie Mercury wasn't gay by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      He was also closeted all of his life. News that he was bisexual didn't get out until after he died of AIDS.

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  97. Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And in Korea only old humans get spanked by monkeys?

  98. I'm not demanding anything. by glrotate · · Score: 1

    I don't demand anyone to look me in the eye. I'm saying that the inability to make eye contact is usually indicative of underlying psychological and or psychiatric weakness, and that's information I incorporate into my evaluation of a person.

    It's a behavior that exists in apes, felines, canines, etc. It's not just some social convention that manifested recently, and as it is usefull information, we shouldn't pretend that it doesn't exist.

    1. Re:I'm not demanding anything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everybody has weaknesses. Some people smoke or drink, some are overweight, some don't look people in the eye. All I was trying to say is that nagging people rarely helps and usually hurts. If you aren't demanding anything, you aren't who I was talking about.

    2. Re:I'm not demanding anything. by EventHorizon · · Score: 1

      Eye contact does not work as a trust metric in every case. It naturally has false positives and false negatives:

      False Positives:
      - Sales/Marketing/Con Artists/Lawyers/Politicians/etc who want to exploit you tend to make excellent eye contact, dress well, speak with a smooth tone of voice, etc. In slashdot terms, these people are effectively pwning humanity's distributed trust metric. One possible genetic advantage to autism is invulnerability to this form of bullshit. One disadvantage is that virtually all females still require it.

      False Negatives:
      - Obviously not all autistic people are untrustworthy. In fact, autism often prevents the successful development of neurotypical deceit behaviors. Autists can be brutally honest, excellent friends, though they may not have an intense "animal presense."

      In summary: human beings should use their rational mind to modulate primate social information.

      The primate social metrics (such as eye contact) have poor signal-to-noise in many parts of society. I have not met a single MBA who doesn't play up eye contact, which effectively means I can't use it to differentiate between good and bad MBAs. Of course some people still do use it, so all MBAs must still make good eye contact. In you think about it, this example shows how complexity gets bolted on through evolution.

    3. Re:I'm not demanding anything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it's because I have never really cared for looking people in the eye (to be honest it's kind of uncomfortable, and a bit of a waste of an entire sense to have to use it to discuss something with someone), but what exactly are you supposed to obtain from eye contact? That is, why would you assume anything about someone else because they're looking you in the eye? At most when people try to occupy my full attention in such a way, I feel mildly imposed upon, and it does nothing to help their standing with me.

      As I think about it, the only people I casually give eye contact to are females. If I'm angry I'll engage the target of my anger, but otherwise I prefer to do something useful with my eyes.

  99. They've got it wrong by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Those researchers got it all wrong. To quote Chimps' Research Quarterly, "Uh oo ah ah aaah eeeeh ehee ah ah oooh waaah ah aooh aah oooh ah aah eeh eeh eeeeeh ah oo oo oo uuu uu u ah yeeee aaa ah 67% uh uh ooh oo oo ah".

  100. More useless autism research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it weren't for autism we wouldn't have had
    Newton or Einstein.

    "Cure autism now by selling porn to monkeys"
    A totally brilliant idea, too bad I didn't think
    of it first!

    Screw curing autism, what about some of those
    nasty autistic things people actually do suffer
    from. Discrimination, allergies, auto immune
    conditions, "behavioural therapies" (called
    torture when applied to prisoners)

  101. Re:admit that other primates are very similar to u by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Heh. Heh. You said "erectus".

  102. What others thought: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What others thought
    7.1
    based on 65 votes
    You rated her: 1

    She last checked her score:
    8 hours ago

  103. Puritans. by MenTaLguY · · Score: 1

    The weirdness in the US has an awful lot to do with the heavy cultural influence of the Puritan movement, seeing as most of them fled over here and were a large component of the early colonies.

    IMO, if someone describes the US as Puritanical, it's not just a slur but actually somewhat factual...

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    1. Re:Puritans. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm an atheist, and I don't particulary like people I don't know touching me at all, in any way. I don't want them to hold my hand, or to kiss me, or to in any way violate my personal space.

      So while my preference may be the result of a culture founded by radical Protestants--which seems unlikely to me but I am certainly not in an objective position to determine the source--I don't think that attributing it to religious extremism today is especially precise.

      It seems entirely plausible that it may be a matter of how children are raised with respect to physical contact in general. It's entirely plausible that I was not physically socialized in the same manner as someone who enjoys strangers touching them. If this is the case, and you see a trend of similar behavior in the culture, it stands to reason that there may be some other cause than religious doctorine. I think, perhaps, it stems from the increasing isolationism of individuals in a culture that is descended from classical liberalism, that continues to embrace the individual in a competitive, dog-eat-dog, cover-your-ass, swindle-senile-old-ladies-out-of-their-retirement- savings manner. In the U.S. people can live in cities of millions, and more or less feel completely alone; likely not even knowing their own neighbors. In essence, we perceive ourselves as islands and raise our children accordingly, who in turn never become used to casual male groping, and don't particularly care for it much.

    2. Re:Puritans. by famebait · · Score: 1

      So while my preference may be the result of a culture founded by radical Protestants--which seems unlikely to me

      Yeah, completely far-fetched...

      In the U.S. people can live in cities of millions, and more or less feel completely alone

      This is nothing unique to the US.
      The rampant sexualisation there and the guilt complex behind it is, well not unique, but really quite extreme.

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  104. So, given internet access... by pensano · · Score: 1

    how often, per day, do they look at slashdot?

  105. Re:Oooh ooh Aaah Aaah! Oooh ooh aaah aaah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You must be new here.


    Dude, this is slashdot. It's what goes on.

  106. www.amislashdotornot.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > So before you rant, please do some investigation in the subject.

    *foghorn leghorn voice* you're not from around here, are you, boy?

  107. cure, no, change, yes by idlake · · Score: 1

    These are most likely inherited traits. [...] This is not an acquired disease, this is who these people are.

    We all have inherited traits that may cause problems, but that doesn't mean we have to just accept them. Human beings have the capacity to change, and it may well be the right thing to help your kid change who he is.

  108. Researchers blew it: they should have used... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pigs - as women always call men "pigs"! Then we could have found out it its true or not. As it stands, all women much now use the phrase "men are monkees".

    1. Re:Researchers blew it: they should have used... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FU slashdot=0

  109. Oh, how stupid do they think we are? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    That's the upshot of a study out of Duke that was designed to explore the 'social machinery of the brain with an eye toward helping autism patients.'

    Sure they are. They're just doing market research for the porn industry! When the market for human porn is saturated, it's time to branch out. If monkeys actually had money, you'd already be seeing magazines and DVDs with titles like "Backdoor Primates, Vol. 1", "Gorillas Gone Wild", etc.

  110. They Already Have by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    "Next up -- seriously -- the researchers want to run the same test on Joe Sixpack..."

    Seriously.

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  111. Wait.... by Jeff+Benjamin · · Score: 1
    Next up -- seriously -- the researchers want to run the same test on Joe Sixpack

    Wait, so your saying I might get PAID to watch 'Inferior Women' soon?! I might just have to quit my day job.

    1. Re:Wait.... by MacWiz · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, they're going to give the monkeys a six-pack and see how fast their standards drop.

  112. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    So, the question is: How are the monkeys able to see who is dominant and who is not?

    It's the monkey holding the whip.

  113. Must resist posting.... by coopaq · · Score: 1
    Monkeys? Porn? Money? Science?

    Ahhheeeeeeyyyyaahhhhhh!

  114. I myself am Autistic by LaimGod · · Score: 0
    I find this a bit peculiar. I myself am autistic.

    I do have trouble looking people in eyes. Often I won't even face people wile talking to them.

    However, I also have an enormous porn collection that puts most servers to shame (300,000+ pics/vids).

    The interesting thing is it's all female; no men, nor even phallic references are shown. I also hate sports, and would rather have a root canal than watch "dominant" males.

    Is this normal, or simply another instinct I am missing?

  115. Oh no. by Headcase88 · · Score: 1

    What's next, Bananaphone sex?

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  116. I've heard of mens desire for sex by camcloud1 · · Score: 0

    as like "a monkey on my back" but this is ridiclous...

  117. that's right by GunFodder · · Score: 1

    Men and women agree on at least one thing; pictures of women are much better than pictures of men :)

  118. Does that mean... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    that Darwin was right?

  119. That explains the monkey boy video by syousef · · Score: 1

    Dance Monkey Boy! Yeaaahhhhh! WOoooooooo!

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  120. Why don't they just read by SamTheButcher · · Score: 1

    this book and forget about dumb social studies?

  121. Bush Or Chimp.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.bushorchimp.com/images/pic09.jpg

  122. Re:Oooh ooh Aaah Aaah! Oooh ooh aaah aaah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The poster (me!) is a die-hard veteran whose id has less than 5 digits (and truly an "Anonymous Coward" to post with my name. Thanks for the AC privilege, Malda!)

    I got the idea of "oooh oooh aaah aaah" from the Wiggles when they were singing a song "Animal" "Do the monkey, oooh oooh aaah aaah, oooh oooh aaah aaah, do the monkey, oooh ..."

    As for my other lyric part, it comes with adventurous experience. :-)

  123. Dominant? by phorm · · Score: 1

    And do the female monkeys have pictures of GWB up in their rooms?

  124. Male bias? by sch7572 · · Score: 1

    Well ... why didn't they study whether female monkeys would pay to watch naked male (or even female) monkeys?

    What do female readers of slashdot have to say about this? (Are there any, BTW? :)

  125. Next thing ya know... by angedinoir · · Score: 1

    they'll be doing an experiment to see if people will pay for kitty-porn.

    Where can I get a grant to do some lame study?

    In other news, study finds that cigarettes are addictive, and that caffine may prevent you from sleeping.

  126. Its a little different with deafness. by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 1

    The key is, with deafness and sign languge comes culture, as with any language. THe parents are spreading their culture on to their child, who will carry it on.

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  127. Re:admit that other primates are very similar to u by Vintermann · · Score: 1

    You link to tripod pages. That says it all.

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  128. Re:admit that other primates are very similar to u by Cryofan · · Score: 1

    are you saying the pix are photoshopped? Or are you just being a media-sheeple?

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  129. OSS community declared 'wealthy' ? by foobsr · · Score: 1

    Gates: Simply because one must spend billions of dollars to ensure the security of each individual system.

    Each individual system running GNU/Linux ??

    CC.

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