Unfortunately though fair use isn't the law.. it's not guaranteed and it's the option of the owner of the copyrighted material.. they don't HAVE to allow it.
This was their first voyage into deep space, how would they know about this stuff? they have to learn sometime.. and we got to see it:)
Nothing new here.. but here's the run down.
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I saw this same thing a couple of years back.. the rocket gets fired up, lightning comes down the guide wire. They use this to test the effects of lightning on electronic equipment and to try to find ways to prevent lightning damage. They also use it ofcourse to study lightning and learn more about it.
They have people pay them so that their stuff can be tested. There was one company that had their breaker box tested and photographed after it was nuked so that they could see where most of the damage occured. Pretty interesting stuff.
I would have been spelling it incorrectly if I would have used metre as that is the British variant of the word.:) This is a Chiefly American site.. So I suppose civislised is the British spelling of civilized?;)
An Anonymous Coward writes: "The Sacramento Bee is running this story about the first powered device to achieve "hypersonic" speeds in the Earth's atmosphere. In a series of DARPA-sponsored tests, at Arnold Air Force Base in Tennessee, a scramjet engine, encased in a titanium projectile, was fired from a 39.62-meter cannon, at an initial velocity of Mach 7.1. The scramjet's engines then ignited, and the object moved another 79.25 meters, in just 30 milliseconds, before it came to rest in a series of steel plates designed to halt the flight. Peak acceleration: about 10,000 G's. Elapsed time, including cigarettes & pillowtalk: less than a second. PS: According to this nifty page at NASA, Mach 7.1 is about 8700 KPH, whereas 79.25 meters, per 0.03 seconds, is about 9510 KPH."
What are you smoking?:) Clock speed to clock speed, the AMD is giving Intel an extreme beating... if you take the Athlon4 and pump it up to 2ghz based on it's current performance, you probably wouldn't even be able to put p4 in the same class anymore.
To me these benchmarks suggest that the p4 is a whole generation behind the Athlon4.. it seems like comparing a 486 to a pentium.. if you had them at the same clock speed, the pentium would win:) and that's just what's happening here..
Well here in Ohio, Fletcher county to be exact, a police officer friend of mine was telling me about the requirements they have to follow in reguards to entrapment issues.
He supposedly cannot pull someone over for a speeding ticket unless he was completely visable.. if he was parked in an alley with no streetlights and his lights off, it would be entrapment. If he were parked at the bottom of the hill behind an obstruction and got you, it would be entrapment. He said he cannot even park on the side of the road with his lights off unless he's parked directly under a street light and completely visable.
I imagine laws vary from place to place in reguards to this?
I agree.. If you are going to terminate an account, you should have detailed proof and be prepared to show it to all parties involved by request. I don't believe that you should be required to show the proof before termination because depending on the severity of the violation, that could be pretty bad. (Ie. child pornography).. but if you're going to drop the axe on someone's account you better be prepared to substantiate your claims AND how you obtained your proof.
I'm a sysadmin for an ISP and when we receive complaints of hacking or abuse we always require proof before taking action.
When the law has come into play, we've never been asked to terminate an account directly. We have however been asked for logs pertaining to the user in question to aid in investigations and depending on how the investigation goes, then the fate of the account is decided.
I've been with this company for about 4 years now and this is how we've always handled things.
I believe if we were requested to shut down a site immediately because of copyright violations, we would probably seek legal advice before taking action.
We would certainly ask for proof and try to verify exactly which user had an IP address at a given time.
Yeah and let's not forget, police have to worry about entrapment issues..
in most places a copy can't park in a dark spot at night waiting to pull someone over, they have to park under a street lamp or have a light on so that you can spot them.
I loved RTOJ, I loved the entire original trilogy, and I still do.. It was epic and very involved. It had an excellent story.
Episode 1 had excellent potential, there were moments in the movie where it seemed like it was going to work, but all in all it seemed TOO childish. If RTOJ was a kids movie, then Episode 1 could be likened to an episode of Barney:) Jar Jar was a joke.. and a bad mistake..
I have a feeling, or is it more of a hope? that they won't repeat this mistake in the new one.. but by the sound of the title, they just might.
As bad as my reasoning may sound to you, the reasoning the our Russian friend was not smart enough to know that he was violating an American law by creating the software is even worse reasoning.
There is a popular American saying that goes something like "Ignorance of the law is no excuse".. It's too easy to hide behind claiming "But, I didn't know!"..
So yes, I would say that before you make your travel plans to another country, it is sensible to brush up on the laws that might apply to you. If you're a software developer make sure you're not breaking any obvious laws before going to DEFCON TO TALK ABOUT IT!:)
I don't think anyone here is foolish enough to believe that he didn't know his software was illegal here. I just don't think he anticipated the actions they were willing to take. OOPS
hehe it's funny.. so many people go back to the fact that he did it in Russia..
Sure, he violated an American law in Russia, and it's not an international law. If it were an international law we wouldn't have to wait untill he came to the US to get him would we? the mistake he made was COMING HERE after violating the law. He's no longer in his protected home land.
the bottom line is he shouldn't have came here.. He should have stayed in Russia and continued violating the law while laughing at Adobe:)
Yes but at the same time you don't see Consumer reports selling "How to tip over your car" or "How to tip over your neighbor's car" books do you?
If consumer reports were selling guides on how to exploit flaws in cars then I am SURE the car manufacturers would be all over them..
If our Russian friend had cracked the protection, demonstrated it to Adobe, and then allowed Adobe to correct it then it might be different. But no, our Russian friend's company sold the software and started making some cash off of it.
1. Jurisdiction: Not really, he violated American law in Russia and then came here. He shouldn't have travelled here:) Lets say I am a Russian guy who cracked the DVD protection (assuming it wasn't cracked already) and then sold the software to do it. And lets say American's bought the software. Then I booked a flight to the US.. I'm sorry people, but I'm a target.. I shouldn't have been stupid enough to travel to the US where I violated laws. When he came to the US he was in the US jurisdiction.
2. Fair use: Yes we should be able to copy things we purchase, but companies of have gotten clever about hiding the thing you purchased under a layer of protection that it is illegal to bust. You copying it isn't the illegal part. Breaking their protection IS. as much as we all hate it.
3. Punish the crime not the tool: Ok this is an iffy one, but I think it boils down to the obvious intent of the tool.. A gun by design is made to injure or kill, whether it be hunting or murder. You can use it for target practice but you can also use much less deadly weapons for that. A tool designed to bypass copy protection, while it may have it's legitimate uses, come on, nobody here is stupid. We know what we'd all use it for;).. And that is what MOST would use it for.. we can fool ourselves all we want.
4. Code is free speech: Come on now, "Free Speech" is fine and good but too many people hide behind it.. I'm sorry but software in my opinion (note, my OPINION) is not "speech", it's a tool, a utility.. it can be printed sure, but that is more or less a side effect and not the intent. If it were the intent, why do so many companies invest tons of money to protect the code? If code is free speech we should be able to to copy any code we want and use it however we see fit.
I don't see a whole lot of people protecting spammers with free speech.. why do we choose to use this only when it suits our purpose?
5: The DMCA sucks: Couldn't agree more!:)
DO I think he should be freed? well he did violate the laws, he was foolish enough to travel here and go to Defcon of all places to talk about it.. Seems to me he was asking for trouble.. We as geeks like this though.. "Free Kevin, Free Sklyarov".. these guys are like the modern day Robin Hoods.. We want to back these kinds of people and we will find arguments to support our reasons whether we're right or not. I think he should have to obide by the law, but I think he's also being made an example of which is unfair. The law should be equal for all.
NASA scientists hope that eventually the PSA can support remote diagnostic operations and substitute, as needed, for nonfunctioning spacecraft sensors.
This is from the CNN article.. as they mentioned, it would serve to substitute malfunctioning sensors.. it can also handle many of the mundane tasks..
Well if it were a gift, then you'd have given it away.. therefore you wouldn't have a right to the music yourself:) much like going christmas shopping, buying your girlfriend a cd and making a personal copy for yourself.. legally that is wrong..
do I care? heck no! copy away.. but I personally never copy cd's or download mp3s.. and I certainly do not have almost 10 gigs worth.. (wink wink)
I wouldn't doubt that cdrwin would choke on it, since it dies on alot of copy protection anyway.. but what about the folks who make clone cd for example?
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Can I be in one of your movies Wil?
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Unfortunately though fair use isn't the law.. it's not guaranteed and it's the option of the owner of the copyrighted material.. they don't HAVE to allow it.
This was their first voyage into deep space, how would they know about this stuff? they have to learn sometime .. and we got to see it :)
I saw this same thing a couple of years back .. the rocket gets fired up, lightning comes down the guide wire. They use this to test the effects of lightning on electronic equipment and to try to find ways to prevent lightning damage. They also use it ofcourse to study lightning and learn more about it.
They have people pay them so that their stuff can be tested. There was one company that had their breaker box tested and photographed after it was nuked so that they could see where most of the damage occured. Pretty interesting stuff.
Ballmer could be "Master Blaster" from a very old cartoon called "Kid Video" :)
Anyway .. I didn't spell it incorrectly..
:) This is a Chiefly American site.. So I suppose civislised is the British spelling of civilized? ;)
metre1 (mtr) n. Chiefly British Variant of meter
I would have been spelling it incorrectly if I would have used metre as that is the British variant of the word.
civislised? that doesn't warrant a reply :)
here here :) us yankees decide standards! now go away ;)
a conversion of the measurement impared..
An Anonymous Coward writes: "The Sacramento Bee is running this story about the first powered device to achieve "hypersonic" speeds in the Earth's atmosphere. In a series of DARPA-sponsored tests, at Arnold Air Force Base in Tennessee, a scramjet engine, encased in a titanium projectile, was fired from a 39.62-meter cannon, at an initial velocity of Mach 7.1. The scramjet's engines then ignited, and the object moved another 79.25 meters, in just 30 milliseconds, before it came to rest in a series of steel plates designed to halt the flight. Peak acceleration: about 10,000 G's. Elapsed time, including cigarettes & pillowtalk: less than a second. PS: According to this nifty page at NASA, Mach 7.1 is about 8700 KPH, whereas 79.25 meters, per 0.03 seconds, is about 9510 KPH."
I'm also a 3d animator, and AMD has always been faster for this task. I'd be suprised to see the p4 beat the a4 in rendering ..
Are you still using just one pc to render? I've got a nice little render farm going.. long live athlon!
What are you smoking? :) Clock speed to clock speed, the AMD is giving Intel an extreme beating ... if you take the Athlon4 and pump it up to 2ghz based on it's current performance, you probably wouldn't even be able to put p4 in the same class anymore.
.. it seems like comparing a 486 to a pentium .. if you had them at the same clock speed, the pentium would win :) and that's just what's happening here..
To me these benchmarks suggest that the p4 is a whole generation behind the Athlon4
Well here in Ohio, Fletcher county to be exact, a police officer friend of mine was telling me about the requirements they have to follow in reguards to entrapment issues.
.. if he was parked in an alley with no streetlights and his lights off, it would be entrapment. If he were parked at the bottom of the hill behind an obstruction and got you, it would be entrapment. He said he cannot even park on the side of the road with his lights off unless he's parked directly under a street light and completely visable.
He supposedly cannot pull someone over for a speeding ticket unless he was completely visable
I imagine laws vary from place to place in reguards to this?
I agree.. If you are going to terminate an account, you should have detailed proof and be prepared to show it to all parties involved by request. I don't believe that you should be required to show the proof before termination because depending on the severity of the violation, that could be pretty bad. (Ie. child pornography) .. but if you're going to drop the axe on someone's account you better be prepared to substantiate your claims AND how you obtained your proof.
I'm a sysadmin for an ISP and when we receive complaints of hacking or abuse we always require proof before taking action.
When the law has come into play, we've never been asked to terminate an account directly. We have however been asked for logs pertaining to the user in question to aid in investigations and depending on how the investigation goes, then the fate of the account is decided.
I've been with this company for about 4 years now and this is how we've always handled things.
I believe if we were requested to shut down a site immediately because of copyright violations, we would probably seek legal advice before taking action.
We would certainly ask for proof and try to verify exactly which user had an IP address at a given time.
Yeah and let's not forget, police have to worry about entrapment issues ..
in most places a copy can't park in a dark spot at night waiting to pull someone over, they have to park under a street lamp or have a light on so that you can spot them.
but .. but they are bad!
I loved RTOJ, I loved the entire original trilogy, and I still do.. It was epic and very involved. It had an excellent story.
:) Jar Jar was a joke .. and a bad mistake..
Episode 1 had excellent potential, there were moments in the movie where it seemed like it was going to work, but all in all it seemed TOO childish. If RTOJ was a kids movie, then Episode 1 could be likened to an episode of Barney
I have a feeling, or is it more of a hope? that they won't repeat this mistake in the new one.. but by the sound of the title, they just might.
As bad as my reasoning may sound to you, the reasoning the our Russian friend was not smart enough to know that he was violating an American law by creating the software is even worse reasoning.
.. It's too easy to hide behind claiming "But, I didn't know!" ..
:)
There is a popular American saying that goes something like "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"
So yes, I would say that before you make your travel plans to another country, it is sensible to brush up on the laws that might apply to you. If you're a software developer make sure you're not breaking any obvious laws before going to DEFCON TO TALK ABOUT IT!
I don't think anyone here is foolish enough to believe that he didn't know his software was illegal here. I just don't think he anticipated the actions they were willing to take. OOPS
hehe it's funny .. so many people go back to the fact that he did it in Russia..
:)
Sure, he violated an American law in Russia, and it's not an international law. If it were an international law we wouldn't have to wait untill he came to the US to get him would we? the mistake he made was COMING HERE after violating the law. He's no longer in his protected home land.
the bottom line is he shouldn't have came here.. He should have stayed in Russia and continued violating the law while laughing at Adobe
Yes but at the same time you don't see Consumer reports selling "How to tip over your car" or "How to tip over your neighbor's car" books do you?
If consumer reports were selling guides on how to exploit flaws in cars then I am SURE the car manufacturers would be all over them..
If our Russian friend had cracked the protection, demonstrated it to Adobe, and then allowed Adobe to correct it then it might be different. But no, our Russian friend's company sold the software and started making some cash off of it.
This analogy, although a good one, is flawed.
1. Jurisdiction: Not really, he violated American law in Russia and then came here. He shouldn't have travelled here :) Lets say I am a Russian guy who cracked the DVD protection (assuming it wasn't cracked already) and then sold the software to do it. And lets say American's bought the software. Then I booked a flight to the US .. I'm sorry people, but I'm a target.. I shouldn't have been stupid enough to travel to the US where I violated laws. When he came to the US he was in the US jurisdiction.
;) .. And that is what MOST would use it for.. we can fool ourselves all we want.
:)
.. these guys are like the modern day Robin Hoods .. We want to back these kinds of people and we will find arguments to support our reasons whether we're right or not. I think he should have to obide by the law, but I think he's also being made an example of which is unfair. The law should be equal for all.
:)
2. Fair use: Yes we should be able to copy things we purchase, but companies of have gotten clever about hiding the thing you purchased under a layer of protection that it is illegal to bust. You copying it isn't the illegal part. Breaking their protection IS. as much as we all hate it.
3. Punish the crime not the tool: Ok this is an iffy one, but I think it boils down to the obvious intent of the tool.. A gun by design is made to injure or kill, whether it be hunting or murder. You can use it for target practice but you can also use much less deadly weapons for that. A tool designed to bypass copy protection, while it may have it's legitimate uses, come on, nobody here is stupid. We know what we'd all use it for
4. Code is free speech: Come on now, "Free Speech" is fine and good but too many people hide behind it.. I'm sorry but software in my opinion (note, my OPINION) is not "speech", it's a tool, a utility.. it can be printed sure, but that is more or less a side effect and not the intent. If it were the intent, why do so many companies invest tons of money to protect the code? If code is free speech we should be able to to copy any code we want and use it however we see fit.
I don't see a whole lot of people protecting spammers with free speech.. why do we choose to use this only when it suits our purpose?
5: The DMCA sucks: Couldn't agree more!
DO I think he should be freed? well he did violate the laws, he was foolish enough to travel here and go to Defcon of all places to talk about it.. Seems to me he was asking for trouble.. We as geeks like this though.. "Free Kevin, Free Sklyarov"
Anyway, just my OPINION.. don't hurt me
NASA scientists hope that eventually the PSA can support remote diagnostic operations and substitute, as needed, for nonfunctioning spacecraft sensors. ..
This is from the CNN article.. as they mentioned, it would serve to substitute malfunctioning sensors.. it can also handle many of the mundane tasks
Did you notice the print at the bottom?
The robot's computer is a Pentium® III running Linux, and the six ducted fans it uses for propulsion are commercial products made for model airplanes.
Sweet!
;I find absolutely nothing wrong with what I did.
.. therefore you wouldn't have a right to the music yourself :) much like going christmas shopping, buying your girlfriend a cd and making a personal copy for yourself.. legally that is wrong..
.. but I personally never copy cd's or download mp3s.. and I certainly do not have almost 10 gigs worth .. (wink wink)
Well if it were a gift, then you'd have given it away
do I care? heck no! copy away
I wouldn't doubt that cdrwin would choke on it, since it dies on alot of copy protection anyway.. but what about the folks who make clone cd for example?